#Scritpchat Topic: Guest, Kevin Cecil, talks about comedy writing
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EURO Moderator: Teenie Russell @teenierussell
jazzchantoozie @kevcecil Excellent stuff, good to hear - thank you. Have also read the 'making it funny later' advice from Lennon & Garant. #scriptchat -9:07 PM May 13th, 2012
marc_omeyer thx kevin for answers and good job teenie as usual...good night all let's go writing ! #scriptchat -9:06 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden RT @teenierussell: Next week on #scriptchat we'll be joined by @storygeeks to chat about story - http://t.co/mbyIl4sl#scriptchat -9:05 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden RT @teenierussell: Thank you so much to @kevcecilfor joining us tonight. That was a great session! #scriptchat -9:05 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell Next week on #scriptchat we'll be joined by@storygeeks to chat about story - http://t.co/mbyIl4sl#scriptchat -9:04 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden RT @teenierussell: If you missed tonight's#scriptchat make sure to read the transcript tomorrow #scriptchat-9:03 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell Thank you everyone who joined us tonight, enjoy the rest of your Sunday! #scriptchat -9:03 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @teenierussell Thanks for having me. If I missed anyone's questions I shall answer them later or please just ask me again. #scriptchat -9:02 PM May 13th, 2012
SiFoulaReel @teenierussell Had to miss this one due to work stuff - will catch the transcript later. #scriptchat -9:02 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell If you missed tonight's #scriptchat make sure to read the transcript tomorrow #scriptchat -9:02 PM May 13th, 2012
SiUttley RT @kevcecil: @jazzchantoozie Though the story itself should be funny in some way in its bones (except for when it isn't).#scriptchat -9:01 PM May 13th, 2012
marc_omeyer RT @kevcecil: @evaBS You can be wrong of course but you have to be able to trust your instincts. #scriptchat -9:01 PM May 13th, 2012
lupiilu RT @teenierussell: Thank you so much to @kevcecil for joining us tonight. That was a great session! #scriptchat -9:01 PM May 13th, 2012
SiUttley RT @kevcecil: @jazzchantoozie And go for it. Concentrate on the story at first because you can make it funny later.#scriptchat -9:01 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell Thank you so much to @kevcecil for joining us tonight. That was a great session! #scriptchat -9:01 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden RT @kevcecil: @jazzchantoozie And go for it. Concentrate on the story at first because you can make it funny later. #scriptchat -9:01 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @evaBS You can be wrong of course but you have to be able to trust your instincts. #scriptchat -9:00 PM May 13th, 2012
marc_omeyer RT @kevcecil: @jazzchantoozie And go for it. Concentrate on the story at first because you can make it funny later. #scriptchat -9:00 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell RT @kevcecil: @jazzchantoozie And go for it. Concentrate on the story at first because you can make it funny later. #scriptchat -9:00 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @jazzchantoozie Though the story itself should be funny in some way in its bones (except for when it isn't). #scriptchat -9:00 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @jazzchantoozie And go for it. Concentrate on the story at first because you can make it funny later. #scriptchat -8:59 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @jazzchantoozie It is a really hard thing to get right. Work on your structure and make sure you have a proper 3 acts.#scriptchat -8:58 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @lupiilu I don't have much experience in that. Whatever works for you though. #scriptchat -8:58 PM May 13th, 2012
evaBS @kevcecil I like to come back to sitcom an comedy, can you always trust your gut feeling, and what makes you laugh works?#Scriptchat -8:57 PM May 13th, 2012
jazzchantoozie @kevcecil Nice one :). Any dos or don'ts you'd advise for budding comedy feature writers? #scriptchat -8:56 PM May 13th, 2012
TaroJ 5mins to go on #scriptchat with comedy writer @kevcecil any last minute questions? -8:56 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @teenierussell Yes they are the older brother and crazy younger sister of formats. #scriptchat -8:56 PM May 13th, 2012
lupiilu @kevcecil What do you think of social networks & crowdfunding as way of entrance into professional screenwriting and production? #scriptchat -8:56 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden RT @teenierussell: 10 minutes to go on #scriptchatwith guest @kevcecil #scriptchat -8:53 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell @kevcecil Is there another genre you would like to write? #scriptchat -8:51 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @kateweb Of course. But it's like having children - you care about them and want them to do well. #scriptchat -8:50 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell 10 minutes to go on #scriptchat with guest@kevcecil #scriptchat -8:50 PM May 13th, 2012
kateweb @kevcecil And a greater sense of achievement to go with it, or just more stress? #scriptchat -8:48 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @teenierussell You'd think but no, animation is incredibly expensive so there are restrictions, just different ones. #scriptchat -8:48 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @emorp I don't know enough about entry level now. There are more ways to get people's attention perhaps. #scriptchat -8:47 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell @kevcecil is that more or less the same for animation? Anything is possible #scriptchat -8:47 PM May 13th, 2012
emorp @kevcecil Sick of it! Haha! Try logistics...do you think entry level is getting easier, eg R4 joke writing? #scriptchat -8:46 PM May 13th, 2012
kateweb @kevcecil Do you find the process different writing on something you've originated, or is it all down to the individual project? #scriptchat -8:45 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @robinbailes Of course. Plus there are no budget restrictions so you can be really imaginative. #scriptchat -8:45 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @alli_and_that Yes when it works you shouls have more than twice as much good stuff. #scriptchat -8:44 PM May 13th, 2012
robinbailes RT @kevcecil: @emorp But you shouls always have more than one so you can do something else when you are stuck or sick of it. #scriptchat -8:44 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden RT @kevcecil: @emorp But you shouls always have more than one so you can do something else when you are stuck or sick of it. #scriptchat -8:43 PM May 13th, 2012
robinbailes @kevcecil @teenierussell Though having the audience unable to see what's going on can be an advantage too yeah?#scriptchat -8:43 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @emorp But you shouls always have more than one so you can do something else when you are stuck or sick of it. #scriptchat-8:43 PM May 13th, 2012
alli_and_that @kevcecil I think so too. I find that it also helps to get to the stronger ideas faster working with a partner. #scriptchat -8:42 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @emorp We always used to have loads, now fewer but they are bigger so it is harder to have more. #scriptchat -8:42 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @emorp Depends how involved you are and how big they are. #scriptchat -8:42 PM May 13th, 2012
emorp @kevcecil how many projects can you realistically be working on at once? #scriptchat -8:41 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @teenierussell We have always been very visual. In some ways, radio is harder because you don't have the visuals to help you. #scriptchat -8:40 PM May 13th, 2012
kateweb There's a #scriptchat happening right now with Kev Cecil, if you're that way inclined. -8:40 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell @kevcecil How did you find the transition from Radio to TV, having to think visually? #scriptchat -8:39 PM May 13th, 2012
jazzchantoozie @kevcecil Congrats on the success of Pirates! Are they now planning to make films of the other books? #scriptchat-8:39 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden RT @kevcecil: @teenierussell Well if you are working with the author of a book, adapting their book, they get the final say! #scriptchat -8:37 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden RT @kevcecil: @cohendave But with animation, you are working on it constantly and it become 'pages' rather than 'drafts'. #scriptchat -8:35 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @teenierussell Well if you are working with the author of a book, adapting their book, they get the final say!#scriptchat -8:35 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell @kevcecil how did you find adapting a book, as well as working with the writer of the book(s)? #scriptchat -8:34 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @cohendave But with animation, you are working on it constantly and it become 'pages' rather than 'drafts'. #scriptchat -8:34 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @cohendave Don't know how many drafts as wasn't always there but A LOT. #scriptchat -8:33 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @cohendave We were in at the start, breaking the story, we did one draft of the script and helped punch up at the end.#scriptchat -8:33 PM May 13th, 2012
jazzchantoozie RT @teenierussell: We're half-way through#scriptchat talking about comedy writing with guest @kevcecil Got any questions for Kevin? #scriptchat -8:32 PM May 13th, 2012
TaroJ RT @kevcecil: @scottywrotem I like The Comic Toolbox by Jon Voorhaus and read interviews with screenwriters. #scriptchat -8:32 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @emorp Yes, John Morton (2012) was a teacher. Simon Blackwell, hugely successful, was a sub editor. #scriptchat -8:31 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell We're half-way through #scriptchat talking about comedy writing with guest @kevcecil Got any questions for Kevin? #scriptchat -8:31 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @scottywrotem I like The Comic Toolbox by Jon Voorhaus and read interviews with screenwriters. #scriptchat -8:31 PM May 13th, 2012
cohendave @kevcecil At what stage(s) of production process did you contribute to Pirates movie?How many drafts did that script go through? #scriptchat -8:30 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell RT @kevcecil: @emorp Thing about being a writer is anything you do ever might one day be research. #scriptchat-8:30 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @marc_omeyer Both. Can be a lot of fun. Can be frustrating and time wasteful. #scriptchat -8:30 PM May 13th, 2012
scottywrotem #scriptchat Any tips for turning joke writing into longer form comedy? Any books you'd recommend? -8:29 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden RT @kevcecil: @emorp Thing about being a writer is anything you do ever might one day be research. #scriptchat -8:29 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden RT @kevcecil: @emorp I started really early - I was 21 and Andy was 20. But all sorts of things act as inspiration.#scriptchat -8:29 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell @kevcecil How did you find the transition from Radio to TV, having to think visually? #scriptchat -8:29 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @emorp Thing about being a writer is anything you do ever might one day be research. #scriptchat -8:28 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden RT @kevcecil: @TaroJ For the Pirates movie it was me, Andy, Gideon, the director and producer who broke the story together. #scriptchat -8:28 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @emorp I started really early - I was 21 and Andy was 20. But all sorts of things act as inspiration. #scriptchat -8:28 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden RT @kevcecil: @TaroJ No I've wrote in teams on Spitting Image, Armistice, Black Books (with Dylan). #scriptchat -8:26 PM May 13th, 2012
farahabushwesha RT"@kevcecil: @janetvaneeden I would say a love of the unexpected. There has to be an anarchic streak. #scriptchat"-8:26 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden Good point. Love that way of summing it up. RT@kevcecil A comedy writer should have an anarchic streak.#scriptchat -8:26 PM May 13th, 2012
emorp @kevcecil Does your previous life still feature as inspiration? Did you have a previous life? #scriptchat #scriptchat -8:26 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @TaroJ No I've wrote in teams on Spitting Image, Armistice, Black Books (with Dylan). #scriptchat -8:26 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden RT @kevcecil: @janetvaneeden I would say a love of the unexpected. There has to be an anarchic streak. #scriptchat -8:25 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @janetvaneeden I would say a love of the unexpected. There has to be an anarchic streak. #scriptchat -8:24 PM May 13th, 2012
farahabushwesha RT @TaroJ: @kevcecil @jazzchantoozie so what is your current ambition? :-) #scriptchat -8:24 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell RT @kevcecil: But things are very different if you are leading the team and if you are a part of it. Different skills needed. #scriptchat -8:24 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @alli_and_that I've worked with Andy so long that it is very natural. You have to stop thinking 'mine' and think 'ours'.#scriptchat -8:23 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden RT @kevcecil: @marc_omeyer You can't have much ego if you are writing in a team. #scriptchat -8:23 PM May 13th, 2012
robinbailes @kevcecil @janetvaneeden I think people find what suits them. I always use to work with a partner now I just couldn't.#scriptchat -8:22 PM May 13th, 2012
TaroJ @kevcecil what's the largest team you've written in? or is it usually you and a partner #scriptchat -8:22 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden #Scriptchat @kevcecil I agree. It's wonderful to find a writing partner who complements you. But surely that is rare!? -8:22 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @marc_omeyer But things are very different if you are leading the team and if you are a part of it. Different skills needed.#scriptchat -8:21 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @marc_omeyer You can't have much ego if you are writing in a team. #scriptchat -8:21 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell hahaha RT: @kevcecil @TaroJ I just want to do good stuff .... and be the richest screenwriter in the world, bwa, ha ha! #scriptchat -8:20 PM May 13th, 2012
marc_omeyer RT @kevcecil: @TaroJ I just want to do good stuff .... and be the richest screenwriter in the world, bwa, ha ha! #scriptchat-8:20 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @janetvaneeden Often it does but there are writers who work brilliantly on their own. #scriptchat -8:20 PM May 13th, 2012
lupiilu @kevcecil I like US team written as well. Studio 60 was a great show. But glossy US writing is better parodied in UK#scriptchat -8:19 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden #Scriptchat @kevcecil What is the one thing a writer has to bring to comedy writing that isn't found in general writing for drama? #Comedy -8:19 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @TaroJ I just want to do good stuff .... and be the richest screenwriter in the world, bwa, ha ha! #scriptchat -8:19 PM May 13th, 2012
alli_and_that @kevcecil How do you find writing with a partner? Do you find it difficult to balance both of you or is it naturally cohesive?#scriptchat -8:18 PM May 13th, 2012
marc_omeyer hi @kevcecil how would you balance the ability for relationships (openness...) and writing skills to be efficient in teams ? #scriptchat -8:18 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden RT @teenierussell: @kevcecil Do you think comedy works better when there are a couple of writers rather than solo?#scriptchat -8:18 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @jazzchantoozie I just wanted to write comedy. And then - can I earn a living doing it, can I write a sitcom or a feature?#scriptchat -8:18 PM May 13th, 2012
TaroJ @kevcecil @jazzchantoozie so what is your current ambition? :-) #scriptchat -8:17 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell @kevcecil Do you think comedy works better when there are a couple of writers rather than solo? #scriptchat-8:17 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden RT @ScreenwritingU: Interview with Zak Penn@zakpenn, original writer of #TheAvengers http://t.co/2gBSCsBB#scriptchat #screenwriting Pls RT -8:16 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @jazzchantoozie My ambition was to write for Radio 1 and we did that after about a year so then I needed a new ambition.#scriptchat -8:16 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden RT @kevcecil: @TaroJ It was great. It wasn't restrictive, just really good fun to write for those characters and actors. #scriptchat -8:16 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @lupiilu Yes, although Armando's shows are team written and they have unique qualities. It sort of depends. #scriptchat -8:15 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @TaroJ It was great. It wasn't restrictive, just really good fun to write for those characters and actors. #scriptchat -8:14 PM May 13th, 2012
marc_omeyer RT @kevcecil: @teenierussell Nearly always written with a partner or in a team but have done some solo work.#scriptchat -8:14 PM May 13th, 2012
jazzchantoozie @kevcecil Have you always had specific writing ambitions, eg to one day to write a feature, or have things happened organically? #scriptchat -8:14 PM May 13th, 2012
lupiilu @kevcecil I think the unique qualities of shows like Spaced & Black Book would have been stomped all over in team writing format #scriptchat -8:13 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @teenierussell Nearly always written with a partner or in a team but have done some solo work. #scriptchat -8:13 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden RT @kevcecil: @robinbailes But I wouldn't like all like that as I like the individual character of British shows. #scriptchat-8:13 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @farahabushwesha I like rewriting. It is always easier than the first draft. #scriptchat -8:12 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden RT @kevcecil: @robinbailes It does happen a bit but there aren't generally the budgets for it. I love some team written show. #scriptchat -8:12 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @farahabushwesha There isn't one method for a rewrite. Sometimes you are just improving, sometimes you almost start again. #scriptchat -8:12 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @robinbailes But I wouldn't like all like that as I like the individual character of British shows. #scriptchat -8:11 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden RT @farahabushwesha: @kevcecil what about rewriting - how do you approach a rewrite or redraft? #scriptchat@teenierussell -8:11 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden RT @kevcecil: We got our first break on the radio. We wrote for Week Ending which was the radio 4 satirical comedy of the time. #scriptchat -8:10 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @robinbailes It does happen a bit but there aren't generally the budgets for it. I love some team written show. #scriptchat -8:10 PM May 13th, 2012
TaroJ @kevcecil How did you find writing in a cult classic like black books, did the characters make it easier or restrictive #scriptchat-8:10 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell @kevcecil Have you always written with a writing partner? #scriptchat -8:10 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell RT @kevcecil: Lots of people started there. I literally earnt about £13 a week but it was exciting to have stuff performed. #scriptchat -8:10 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell RT @janetvaneeden: Forgive me for the#scriptchat tweets coming up but lurking in on Euro Scriptchat tonight with one of the writers of Black Books etc. -8:09 PM May 13th, 2012
farahabushwesha @kevcecil what about rewriting - how do you approach a rewrite or redraft? #scriptchat @teenierussell -8:08 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil Lots of people started there. I literally earnt about £13 a week but it was exciting to have stuff performed. #scriptchat -8:08 PM May 13th, 2012
robinbailes @kevcecil Do you think US style team writing is ever likely to take hold here in the UK? And do you think it should?#scriptchat -8:08 PM May 13th, 2012
Mina_Zaher RT @janetvaneeden: Forgive me for the #scriptchattweets coming up but lurking in on Euro Scriptchat tonight with one of the writers of Black Books etc. -8:08 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil We got our first break on the radio. We wrote for Week Ending which was the radio 4 satirical comedy of the time.#scriptchat -8:08 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden Forgive me for the #scriptchat tweets coming up but lurking in on Euro Scriptchat tonight with one of the writers of Black Books etc. -8:06 PM May 13th, 2012
lupiilu @kevcecil And hello to you. I've been looking forward to this scriptchat. #scriptchat -8:06 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @farahabushwesha I'm not sure that I do have rituals in that way. Like I don't have a special hat I wear or anything.#scriptchat -8:06 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @TaroJ Oh, yes, that is a very good sequence. I think the storyboard team were behind that bit. #scriptchat -8:05 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell @lupiilu Hi Lucy, good thank you. Jump right in :-)#scriptchat -8:05 PM May 13th, 2012
jazzchantoozie RT @teenierussell: It's #scriptchat O'Clock! Tune in as we chat to @kevcecil about writing comedy! #scriptchat -8:05 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell @kevcecil The question everyone always wants to know, how did you get your first break? #scriptchat -8:04 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @teenierussell Yes, probably everyone is at the park, having impromptu scripwriterly barbecues. #scriptchat -8:04 PM May 13th, 2012
farahabushwesha @teenierussell @kevcecil do you have any writing rituals? #scriptchat -8:04 PM May 13th, 2012
TaroJ Hi @kevcecil saw Gnomeo & Juliet last night, loved the origins of the Flamingo scene #scriptchat -8:03 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell @kevcecil haha, if only it could be a rainy Sunday again. #scriptchat -8:03 PM May 13th, 2012
janetvaneeden RT @teenierussell: If you haven't already, you can check @kevcecil 's Bio here http://t.co/wOdITkZp #scriptchat -8:02 PM May 13th, 2012
farahabushwesha RT @kevcecil: So I am the guest on #scriptchat at 8. This tells you how to take part. http://t.co/4VpgfSlh To not take part, don't do any of that. -8:02 PM May 13th, 2012
kevcecil @teenierussell You are very welcome. It's nice to be out the .. no, it's nice to be at my desk. #scriptchat -8:02 PM May 13th, 2012
TaroJ Hi #scriptchat -8:01 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell If you haven't already, you can check @kevcecil 's Bio here http://t.co/wOdITkZp #scriptchat -8:01 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell @kevcecil Hi Kevin, thank you for joining us tonight. #scriptchat -8:00 PM May 13th, 2012
teenierussell It's #scriptchat O'Clock! Tune in as we chat to@kevcecil about writing comedy! #scriptchat -8:00 PM May 13th, 2012
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