TOPIC: 3-act structure, turning points, outlining, beat sheet or write on the fly? Are non 3-act scripts salable?
MODERATOR: @jeannevb
ORGANIZED BY: @jeannevb @zacsanford @yeah_write @KageyNYC
ORGANIZED BY: @jeannevb @zacsanford @yeah_write @KageyNYC
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yeah_write: For those in #scriptchat, here is a link with beat sheet http://tinyurl.com/yloyg6v
yeah_write RT @zacsanford Great #scriptchat tonight. Transcript can be found here http://bit.ly/185tzs or feel free to join us next week. -6:33 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @talented_boy It is really the brainchild of @jeannevb, @yeah_write & @kageyNYC. Somehow I was included in the #treefort :) #scriptchat -6:33 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 Wow, somehow I picked up five Britney Porn Bots during the chat tonight. #scriptchat -6:32 PM Nov 1st, 2009
talented_boy @zacsanford #scriptchat was fun, inspiring and i learned a lot...i'm glad you guys started it -6:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennyAsh #ScriptChat Alright, time to watch a movie and play writer for awhile -6:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jolenejahnke @zacsanford2 What's #NaNoWriMo? #scriptchat -6:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @zacsanford2 okeydokey #scriptchat -6:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeffige Do you hear that @thatkevinsmith. Depends on the head and a twitpic as a bonus! #scriptchat -6:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford Great #scriptchat tonight. Transcript can be found here http://bit.ly/185tzs or feel free to join us next week. -6:30 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @jeffige @jeannevb I do plan to produce my films and won't use money with artistic opinions attached. #scriptchat -6:30 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @JasonDalBianco Hopefully they'll renew tax code 181 because that's perfect for investors who don't want creative control. #scriptchat -6:30 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @JasonDalBianco PHEW!!!!! #scriptchat -6:30 PM Nov 1st, 2009
ttimechitchat @yeah_write2 @jeannevb & @zacsanford2 very informative conversation. Thanks! #scriptchat -6:29 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @jeffige cool beans : ) #scriptchat -6:29 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @jeannevb Uh, no. No romance with your sister. Thanks. #scriptchat -6:29 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @jeannevb ha ha. No need to strike it. Maybe my roommate can garner more business. :) #scriptchat -6:29 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeffige @jeannevb If he stops in - I'll post it for sure. #scriptchat -6:29 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @zacsanford2 I do plan to produce my films and won't use money with artistic opinions attached. #scriptchat -6:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb you guys are great... thank u for the support! Until next week.... #scriptchat -6:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 I think I shall sign off and jump into my #NaNoWriMo pages. #scriptchat -6:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009
yeah_write2 @jokeandbiagio Transcript here http://bit.ly/185tzs We meet Sundays at 8pm EST #scriptchat -6:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @zacsanford2 i'll leave it off the transcript feed, I PROMISE haha #scriptchat -6:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @JasonDalBianco ur having a romantic relationship w my sister? I just threw up in my mouth #scriptchat -6:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 ha ha. Can we strike my last message to @jeannevb from the archive :) #scriptchat -6:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @jeffige HAHAHA I want a twitpic of that! Maybe that's how we'll lure them... mwahahahAHAH #scriptchat -6:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009
UncompletedWork OK folks. I've met my #ScriptChat quota. Follow me if you want to chat more or check out my blog http://bit.ly/2NbPCg -6:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @KageyNYC Dialog would be great :) #scriptchat -6:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @jeannevb Hmm, my roommate bakes for a dispensary. Maybe I can lure Kevin with some weed laced treats. :) #scriptchat -6:26 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeffige RT RT RT@zacsanford2 @JasonDalBianco If you're producing and paying for your own films, you're free to be as anal as you want. #scriptchat -6:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb HAHA RT @zacsanford2: @JasonDalBianco If youre producing and paying for your own films, youre free to be as anal as you want. #scriptchat -6:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jokeandbiagio @JoannaDangelo Missed #scriptchat but will try to check it out next time. -6:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @jeannevb On a film or with any art, I am a control freak. In a romantic relationship I simply don't take any unjustified shit. #scriptchat -6:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009
KageyNYC Great idea! RT @zacsanford2: @jeannevb maybe we should do something on dialogue so @thatkevinsmith or @diablocody will stop by? #scriptchat -6:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @rachlanger i'll go to the hastag site in a bit & get it.... but plz leave ur feed up in case I cant get it to work #scriptchat -6:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeffige @jeannevb Hell - I'd even wear one on my head! #scriptchat -6:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009
ttimechitchat Studios make crappy films b/c they care about stars more than story. (via @jeannevb @zacsanford2) TV cares about ratings #scriptchat -6:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley love you all. thanks to @jeannevb and @zacsanford and all other organizers. early to bed early to procrastinate. #scriptchat -6:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @JasonDalBianco If you're producing and paying for your own films, you're free to be as anal as you want. #scriptchat -6:24 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @jeffige then we'll just have to pimp @thatkevinsmith & get him here. I'd love u in a Depends 4 the nxt #scriptchat haha -6:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009
UncompletedWork RT @JasonDalBianco: Not sure Kubrick would agree. #scriptchat To you I say http://bit.ly/2QDnLp -6:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009
KageyNYC Thanks all, another great #scriptchat! Goddnight, be well, write your asses off! -6:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @zacsanford2 I'll selectively collaborate. I refuse to collaborate on EVERYTHING. #scriptchat -6:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009
DJordanKnight @zacsanford2 Give me about fifteen and I'll catch up with you there. #scriptchat -6:22 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @rachlanger no matter if I'm writing or developing w/another writer, I do. You're not alone. #scriptchat -6:22 PM Nov 1st, 2009
davidspies RT @UncompletedWork you west coast #scriptchat people don't worry. #ScreenwriterKaraoke will be firing up on Dec in LA. http://bit.ly/3yA4CX -6:22 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JoannaDangelo @zacsanford2 thanks! just started following you ;) #scriptchat -6:22 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeffige zacsanford2 @jeannevb I think I'd wet myself if @thatkevinsmith stopped by. #scriptchat -6:22 PM Nov 1st, 2009
rachlanger @jeannevb Do you need me to copy-paste it like last time, or is there somewhere we can get it? #scriptchat -6:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @DJordanKnight thanks for coming! #scriptchat -6:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford RT @jeannevb: I'll be posting the transcript of tonight's chat on our OFFICIAL BLOG http://bit.ly/185tzs #scriptchat -6:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb RT @zacsanford2: Remember, if you want to follow me, follow my real account at @zacsanford for tweets from a development exec. #scriptchat -6:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @DJordanKnight I'm on Yahoo IM if you wanted to talk #scriptchat -6:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco Not sure Kubrick would agree. RT @mckormickastley: I totally disagree. Sorry. Vision is 1 thing. Collaboration is everything. #scriptchat -6:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009
rachlanger @zacsanford2 Hearing you say that makes me feel better about the overload of 2nd guessing I do, especially before meetings! #scriptchat -6:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 Remember, if you want to follow me, follow my real account at @zacsanford for tweets from a development exec. #scriptchat -6:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @vizionheiry i havent used beat sheets... yet.... but lots ppl tonight convinced me to try #scriptchat -6:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009
DJordanKnight It's been fun. See you all next week. #scriptchat -6:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @rachlanger support network is so good, things like script chat and any other place to hear the struggles of the world. #scriptchat -6:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009
UncompletedWork RT @jeannevb: I'll be posting the transcript of tonight's chat on our OFFICIAL BLOG http://scriptchat.blogspot.com/ #scriptchat -6:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @mckormickastley I will carefully compartmentalize what areas I collaborate on. I'll collaborate with actors. #scriptchat -6:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009
yeah_write2 Thanks Jeanne RT @jeannevb: Ill be posting the transcript of tonights chat on our OFFICIAL BLOG http://scriptchat.blogspot.com/ #scriptchat -6:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @jeannevb Hmm, maybe we should do something on dialogue so maybe @thatkevinsmith or @diablocody will stop by? #scriptchat -6:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @rachlanger u are SO welcome! I might need ur help w the transcript post haha #scriptchat -6:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JoannaDangelo @jeannevb I'm so excited! Love film but "developing" scripted TV project right now - first time as a writer. #scriptchat -6:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009
UncompletedWork RT @zacsanford2: @UncompletedWork Which place are you thinking for LA #screenwriterkaraoke? #scriptchat [DM'd you on ur main account] -6:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @jeannevb Love to see something on writing effects and something on comedy #scriptchat -6:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009
talented_boy #scriptchat thanks 4 all the words folks...def will be following many of u now...just trying 2 learn & get better...take care...till next wk -6:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009
cpedraza @JasonDalBianco Goal should be to tell a story to an audience. #Filmmaking is too technical a process for 1 person to do it all #scriptchat -6:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @rachlanger I swear my heart is going to give out one of these days with all the second guessing I do on my projects. #scriptchat -6:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb thank you all so much for joining the fun & helping each other learn #scriptchat -6:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @jeannevb 5 hours if I'm lucky. my kids are 4, 5 and 7 and my wife is a full time student and I work full time. #scriptchat -6:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009
yeah_write2 Look forward to this all week, and it goes by in a flash. #scriptchat -6:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009
rachlanger @jeannevb @zacsanford2 Thanks again for this! #scriptchat -6:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb I'll be posting the transcript of tonight's chat on our OFFICIAL BLOG http://scriptchat.blogspot.com/ #scriptchat -6:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009
Spitfire_King @etchie Thanks etchie, you should have joined the #scriptchat thingy -6:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeffige Thanks everyone. Enjoyed it much. #scriptchat -6:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JoannaDangelo @mckormickastley hmm can't find it online - only references - they must have closed shop - based in NYC. Terrific mag #scriptchat -6:18 PM Nov 1st, 2009
UncompletedWork RT @PennGates: @UncompletedWork Will #ScreenWriterKaraoke ever meet in Tucson? Phoenix? #ScriptChat [Perhaps one day, but likely not soon] -6:18 PM Nov 1st, 2009
rachlanger @mckormickastley @yeah_write2 @jeffige OK, glad its not just me then. Confidence is a tough sell some days. #scriptchat -6:18 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb PLZ, if any1 has suggestions for future topics, @ me ur ideas anytime #scriptchat -6:18 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @JasonDalBianco Best quote from the Dialogue series on DVD "Film is a collaborative medium... bend over." #scriptchat -6:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb Well, looks like time flew again and it's the formal end to #scriptchat -6:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennGates @UncompletedWork Will #ScreenWriterKaraoke ever meet in Tucson? Phoenix? #ScriptChat -6:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @mckormickastley how much writing do u get done in a given wk that way? #scriptchat -6:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @JasonDalBianco I totally disagree. Sorry. Vision is one thing. Collaboration is everything. #scriptchat -6:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mjreid @rachlanger CONSTANTLY second guessing. That's the hardest part to deal with - a good support network helps. #scriptchat -6:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 Thanks for stopping by. RT @Spitfire_King: #scriptchat Bugging out myself, enjoy guys #scriptchat -6:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @JasonDalBianco r u a control freak? #justwondering Maybe I shld warn my sister ha #scriptchat -6:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @UncompletedWork Which place are you thinking for LA #screenwriterkaraoke? #scriptchat -6:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @taravictoria Yeah, there is no hope keeping up. Gonna try to come back later when I have time and can read through. #scriptchat -6:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009
Spitfire_King #scriptchat Bugging out myself, enjoy guys -6:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @rachlanger It happened in one day. Wrote from 5am to 7am. Felt the world was my oyster. 8 hours later had a knife at my wrist. #scriptchat -6:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb so sad *sigh* RT @zacsanford2Thats why studios make crappy films. They care more about who stars in them than the story. #scriptchat -6:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @talented_boy haha #scriptchat -6:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @cpedraza If I was a quarterback, I'd just run the ball in for a touchdown every time. Want the job done right? Do it yourself. #scriptchat -6:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009
yeah_write2 Try daily. RT @rachlanger: ask if other writers have second guessing meltdowns often? #scriptchat -6:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennGates @rachlanger I do have the occasional 2nd guessing meltdowns. I hate it when I have to rewrite a script to see if I'm right! #ScriptChat -6:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009
blackrugger I like it. haha RT @zacsanford2: .@blackrugger Break a keyboard... is that the proper thing to say to a writer? #scriptchat -6:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009
UncompletedWork RT @mckormickastley: @UncompletedWork NY Only right now right? #scriptchat [For November. There will be one in LA in Dec.] -6:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009
talented_boy @jeannevb one of my scripts is called 'greener pastures' lol #scriptchat -6:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @jeannevb LOL got a couple shorts that would make wonderful comedy movies :) #scriptchat -6:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeffige @rachlanger Every time a finger hits a key. #scriptchat -6:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @cpedraza The WHOLE goal is to get the images in my mind onto the screen. Why would I have somebody else point the cameras? #scriptchat -6:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @UncompletedWork NY Only right now right? #scriptchat -6:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009
yeah_write2 Hour is over drift as much as you want. #scriptchat -6:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 .@blackrugger Break a keyboard... is that the proper thing to say to a writer? #scriptchat -6:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @cpedraza I am not a quarterback, I am a filmmaker. It's a very different game. #scriptchat -6:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JoannaDangelo @jokeandbiagio did you know about #scriptchat going on right now? very cool. log onto tweet chat so you can follow along and post ;) -6:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @PennyAsh the grass is always greener haha #scriptchat -6:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @JoannaDangelo do you have a url for that? (scenario) #scriptchat -6:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009
blackrugger alright peeps all this talking has gotten me excited to finish Tristan. Ciao #scriptchat -6:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009
rachlanger Since its after our hour, might I stray from the topic and ask if other writers have second guessing meltdowns often? #scriptchat -6:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009
Spitfire_King #scriptchat why do I get the feeling that the majority of professional writers that were watching have bugged out because of topic drift -6:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennyAsh #ScriptChat Dang just had another idea :) I love nights like this -6:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco Affirmative. *tosses rolo to Jeanne* RT @jeannevb: @mckormickastley oh yes, @jasondalbianco is all man ha #scriptchat -6:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @JoannaDangelo yes, every week. This is only our second #scriptchat -6:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009
DJordanKnight are there any pulitzer books have been made into movies, that did not also have a big name attached? #scriptchat -6:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 So I think we're sort of puttering out here. So a #scriptchat free-for-all? #scriptchat -6:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @mckormickastley @jasondalbianco @jeffige hahaha #scriptchat -6:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @mckormickastley I have many answers, but I still have to deal with all those in the world without a clue. It's rough. #scriptchat -6:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009
UncompletedWork Wondering what #screenwriterkaraoke is? A way to meet fellow writers/filmmakers in a casual setting. Pics: http://bit.ly/2Rm93L #ScriptChat -6:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @jeannevb I envy the ones who are organized and know what they're doing :) #scriptchat -6:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @UncompletedWork I don't discuss the chemical composition of the paper I print the script on. #scriptchat -6:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @yeah_write2 Love in the time of Cholera anybody? #scriptchat -6:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009
blackrugger @yeah_write2 will do. #scriptchat -6:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009
taravictoria @JasonDalBianco I did! Very late though and very behind on the feed! #scriptchat -6:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JoannaDangelo @jeannevb LOL me too ;) #scriptchat great to meet you guys! Is this every week? -6:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 Ah, "At Last" is on in Starbucks. Makes me sad we didn't end up producing Cadillac Records w/Sony. #scriptchat -6:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeffige is a procrastinator! #scriptchat -6:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @yeah_write2 heehee #shamelesspimp #scriptchat -6:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @UncompletedWork If it does not have to be forced, why bother talking about it at all? #scriptchat -6:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 Huh? What? :) RT @yeah_write2: Hint, Hint. :) RT @jeannevb: @zacsanford2 what if the book won the pulitzer? #scriptchat -6:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennyAsh Getting ready to read Screenplay tomorrow I expect I will have to juggle nano & the script #ScriptChat -6:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @UncompletedWork I saw the pictures. wished I was there. #scriptchat -6:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @JoannaDangelo i am so about lazy ha #scriptchat -6:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @jeannevb with an actual paying job and 3 kids and a wife, it's up at 5am or there is no writing for me #scriptchat -6:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009
blackrugger @UncompletedWork I'm going to roadtrip up there one day. #scriptchat -6:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009
yeah_write2 @blackrugger DM me your email and I'll send you one later. #scriptchat -6:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009
Spitfire_King #scriptchat writing is aiming to elicit emotion but in a logical way, writing attracts emotional people who are illogical and reactive -6:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @jeannevb we have a pulitzer prize winning article, but it is about a female native american indian. Great article, not comm. #scriptchat -6:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009
yeah_write2 Hint, Hint. :) RT @jeannevb: @zacsanford2 what if the book won the pulitzer? #scriptchat -6:09 PM Nov 1st, 2009
cpedraza @JasonDalBianco That's like saying, "I don't know how a quarterback could turn over so much to a runningback." #scriptchat -6:09 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @PennyAsh i envy those writers who can just fly w out limits *bow* #scriptchat -6:09 PM Nov 1st, 2009
UncompletedWork And you west coast #scriptchat people don't worry. #ScreenwriterKaraoke will be firing up on December in LA. http://bit.ly/3yA4CX -6:09 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeffige @jeannevb @mckormickastley oh yes, @jasondalbianco ROTFLMAO! #scriptchat -6:09 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco Oh cool! @taravictoria showed up to #scriptchat ? Sweet! -6:09 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JoannaDangelo @jeannevb great! I'll be lazy like George Costanza and watch the movie instead **g** #scriptchat -6:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009
UncompletedWork OH! ALMOST FORGOT! This Wed NOV 4th is #ScreenwriterKaraoke in NYC http://bit.ly/3yA4CX Come out drink, sing and network #scriptchat -6:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009
blackrugger maybe I'll try out this beat sheet. Gotta find some good examples though. #scriptchat -6:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 re: my last tweet. That's why studios make crappy films. They care more about who stars in them than the story. #scriptchat -6:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @zacsanford2 what if the book won the pulitzer? #scriptchat -6:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @mckormickastley oh yes, @jasondalbianco is all man ha #scriptchat -6:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @cpedraza I can't comprehend how a director would turn over so much to a cinematographer. #scriptchat -6:07 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JoannaDangelo @mckormickastley yeah I have a bunch ;D I used to subscribe to Scenario #scriptchat -6:07 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @MonicaEmme see u at #writechat : ) xo #scriptchat -6:07 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @JoannaDangelo Michael Hauge also has a GREAT video http://bit.ly/vHkPq #scriptchat -6:07 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @JasonDalBianco you have an answer for everything. living the dream you are. #scriptchat -6:07 PM Nov 1st, 2009
yeah_write2 I also write out my beats, and act structure in long hand. #scriptchat -6:07 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @cpedraza Understood. However, I'd rather divide the labor in other ways. #scriptchat -6:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 From an Exec: "We don't care how many copies the book sold, if you can get *actor* attached, we'll give you the greenlight." #scriptchat -6:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JoannaDangelo @zacsanford2 great thanks! I'll pick them up. ;) #scriptchat -6:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @nopantsisland haha #scriptchat -6:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennGates @zacsanford2 I have all Syd Fields books, & his workshop on DVD. Very good! #ScriptChat -6:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco .@mckormickastley If there is anything worse than 3 act structure and rules, it's a nagging woman. Won't tolerate that either. #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
yeah_write2 I write out all of my notes in longhand. I don't know why. #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @zacsanford2 i see many great indy films at festivals that will unfortunately never make the $ of the crap that some studios do #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @JoannaDangelo also, read a shit tonne of screenplays. Good ones, bad ones, every ones. #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
nopantsisland Out for now. Great chat folks! Keep writing! #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JoannaDangelo @jeannevb thanks! :) #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
screamtweets RT @wcmartell: My daily Script Tip: www.ScriptSecrets.Net - Great talking with everyone, I'm going to dinner. #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
UncompletedWork @JasonDalBianco intuitive storytelling can be sliced easily in 3 acts. Not, that u have to force something to happen on pg 14 #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @Spitfire_King That's a thought,, might give a character timeline a shot #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
MonicaEmme @jeannevb Sure will. #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @zacsanford2 i also think bad films get made bc there must b some sort of profitability potential in them even if they suck #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @JoannaDangelo as a beginner check out "Screenplay" by Syd Field, "Story" by Robert McKee and "Save the Cat" by @blake_snyder #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @zacsanford2 surprise guests are the best guests!!! thanks again @wcmartell #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JoannaDangelo @mckormickastley thanks! I'll check them out ;) #scriptchat -6:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009
blackrugger @wcmartell Ciao #scriptchat -6:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009
nopantsisland @jeannevb @blackrugger Agreed! My carpal nerve crapped out years ago. I'm lucky if I can sign my own name. #scriptchat -6:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley RT @wcmartell: daily Script Tip: ScriptSecrets.Net - Great talking with everyone, Im going 2 dinner [thanks for stopping by!] #scriptchat -6:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 Thanks @wcmartell for stopping by. Two weeks in a row with produced screenwriters. Who will be our guest next week? #scriptchat -6:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @JoannaDangelo also book by Syd Field #scriptchat -6:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009
blackrugger @jeannevb oh yeah, it makes things easier for me. Plus I can write whenever and where ever I want. #scriptchat -6:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009
yeah_write2 @wcmartell Thanks for joining us. #scriptchat -6:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009
DJordanKnight @wcmartell thanks for coming by -- good to see you here! #scriptchat -6:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009
dawnbierschwal Must join my kids for the 3rd Act of their day. It's been a pleasure fellow screenwriters. Until next week... #scriptchat -6:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @JoannaDangelo loved Inside Story by Dara Marks but i'd read after some writing experience. Save the Cat by Blake Snyder 2 start #scriptchat -6:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009
talented_boy @blackrugger really? i gotta use my computer cause thoughts come to me faster than i write lol i'm always for typing #scriptchat -6:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JoannaDangelo @zacsanford2 beginner #scriptchat -6:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 How do bad movies get made? Too many cooks in the kitchen. Dev notes come from assts, producers, directors, stars, studio execs #scriptchat -6:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @JoannaDangelo I'm reading "What Just Happened" and "Which Lie Did I Tell", not really screenwriting, but all about the business #scriptchat -6:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @jeannevb :) for me the story is the thing, just like some need to be 1st person, some need to be 3rd. I let the story tell me #scriptchat -6:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @JoannaDangelo Depends on where you're at in your screenwriting career? Beginner, novice, pro? #scriptchat -6:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009
wcmartell My daily Script Tip: www.ScriptSecrets.Net - Great talking with everyone, I'm going to dinner. #scriptchat -6:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009
taravictoria The more detailed my bio's are the better/easier my writing is. I think I'm crazy cause I start hearing char. voices lol #scriptchat -6:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @MonicaEmme pls come back another Sunday : ) Thanks for trying us out! #scriptchat -6:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009
yeah_write2 I used to hate this part because I had 1 & 3 figured out not 2 RT @wcmartell: Act 2 is my favorite part - the conflict act! #scriptchat -6:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009
Spitfire_King Another tip a mate of mine uses (who was Oscar shortlisted) is to write detailed character timelines, and build story from there #scriptchat -6:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mjreid Reading is excellent, yes, but the best way to learn is to WRITE. #scriptchat -6:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @UncompletedWork Don't care if C. Kaufman's work is 3 act or not. Not the point. Point is he does not force things into 3 acts. #scriptchat -6:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @blackrugger u write it out longhand? I cant imagine. My brain works so much faster than my handwriting #scriptchat -6:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009
talented_boy with all these things people look for in scripts, how in the entire hell do bad movies with bad scripts continue to get made? #scriptchat -6:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009
cpedraza @JasonDalBianco There's a reason for division of labor. No one can do it all. You hv to trust someone else's artistic vision too #scriptchat -6:01 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JoannaDangelo This was prob already asked but recommendations on best books about screenwriting? #scriptchat #scriptchat -6:01 PM Nov 1st, 2009
blackrugger Agreed RT @wcmartell: Act 2 is my favorite part - the conflict act! #scriptchat -6:01 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 Thnx for stopping by. RT @MonicaEmme: Think this is out of element. Maybe Ill visit again another day. :) #scriptchat -6:01 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @PennyAsh i love the freedom of ur writing style : ) #scriptchat -6:00 PM Nov 1st, 2009
blackrugger @yeah_write2 I find it easier to write my screenplay out. Only use the computer when I want to put it on FD. #scriptchat -6:00 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @Spitfire_King for me it's at the halfway mark, the trigger to escalate the 2nd act and bring it on. #scriptchat -6:00 PM Nov 1st, 2009
MonicaEmme Think this is out of element. Maybe I'll visit again another day. :) #scriptchat -6:00 PM Nov 1st, 2009
KennyWhisperz Thanks for the hookup script collector. I agree the best way to learn is to read. #scriptchat -6:00 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @JasonDalBianco do you have to sell your days and nights away to your spouse? :) #scriptchat -5:59 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @zacsanford2 No need to sell idea to cinematographer cause I am going to handle those duties as well. #scriptchat -5:59 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @zacsanford2 I always do detailed char bios first, that way I know not only what action has to take place, but how 2 dev char #scriptchat -5:59 PM Nov 1st, 2009
cmhoughton @UncompletedWork I remember when Smallville switched from 4 acts, it wasn't pretty. Hope they don't switch to 6. #scriptchat -5:59 PM Nov 1st, 2009
wcmartell Act 2 is my favorite part - the conflict act! #scriptchat -5:59 PM Nov 1st, 2009
taravictoria I've tried writing w/o an outline/beat sheet and it just ended up being a jumbled mess. Bio's are really helpful for me too. #scriptchat -5:59 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @cpedraza Yep, only bios and one of his scripts was one of the better unproduced scripts I've read ever. #scriptchat -5:59 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco I am going to have to catch up with this convo later. Way too many tweets to address immediately, expect delayed responses. #scriptchat -5:59 PM Nov 1st, 2009
wcmartell Pacing is critical - I have Script Tips about it - you need to keep things happening and getting worse. #scriptchat -5:59 PM Nov 1st, 2009
Spitfire_King To the succesful writers who have joined us at #scriptchat At what point in your 3 act structure do you like to inject the chaos event? -5:59 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @jeannevb Does it count if I write my books that way? the outline is a nano experiment :) #scriptchat -5:58 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco .@mckormickastley @JasonDalBianco No need to sell idea to cinematographer cause I am going to handle those duties as well. #scriptchat -5:58 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 in this economic climate, yes. RT @JasonDalBianco: @zacsanford2 Easier to sell something on a screen than on a page. #scriptchat -5:58 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @mckormickastley yes 2nd act is what kills us all... #scriptchat -5:58 PM Nov 1st, 2009
cpedraza @zacsanford2 You mean they just do bios? No outline or treatment? In my experience that only leads to doom :) #scriptchat -5:58 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennGates @jeannevb That's how I wrote my 1st one, just dove in and then I learned about the 3 act structure. #ScriptChat -5:58 PM Nov 1st, 2009
yeah_write2 It wouldn't matter if u wrote ur script out in longhand on a tablet, as long as u write it. MM FD are 4 when u can to pitch/sell #scriptchat -5:58 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @jeffige hoping that's what i'm doing w this script... very grim & pushes every emotion until ur raw #scriptchat -5:57 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @mediadivadesign Well the boy loses girl is the last half of the second act, and it is him coping w/life alone for act 3. #scriptchat -5:57 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @jeffige haha... I'd be so into that style #scriptchat -5:57 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @jeannevb i've tried it, but then there is the issue of the 2nd act cesspool of isolation & desolation "But act 1 was so great!" #scriptchat -5:57 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @zacsanford2 Easier to sell something on a screen than on a page. #scriptchat -5:57 PM Nov 1st, 2009
tylerweaver @jeannevb I go back and forth depending on the project. Current proj. - major outlining. Other proj. - just letting it rip. #scriptchat. -5:57 PM Nov 1st, 2009
wcmartell I tried no outline, it was a mess, I outlined and finished. Most scripts fail because they are not precise. #scriptchat -5:57 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @wcmartell I agree. Cant change the industry standard #scriptchat -5:57 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 RT @wcmartell: when you sell a script, its all about 3 acts. Notes, meetings. Its been 3 acts for 2,400 years. Not changing. #scriptchat -5:57 PM Nov 1st, 2009
taravictoria Oh, awesome! :) RT @jeannevb: @taravictoria we post a transcript, so u NEVER have to be without us : ) #scriptchat -5:56 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @jeannevb @jeffige Grab em and take em on a rollercoaster ride :) #scriptchat -5:56 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @jeannevb I know a couple that will write detailed character bios and then jump into the story. #scriptchat -5:56 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb YES! Everyone shld follow @scriptcollector & get scripts & read, read, READ! #scriptchat -5:56 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeffige @jeannevb I've read "the 1st pg grab 'em by throat - squeeze a bit harder every page after. #scriptchat -5:56 PM Nov 1st, 2009
UncompletedWork @cmhoughton TV is another beast, since you have Teasers, Act outs, and tags. Network VS HBO. 22 min VS 1hr Perhaps for another #scriptchat -5:56 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mediadivadesign @zacsanford2 haha I knew you'd turn that into a 3 act #scriptchat -5:56 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @cpedraza interesting. I havent tried FB, just MM. Glad ur happy w the switch #scriptchat -5:56 PM Nov 1st, 2009
wcmartell Here's the thing - when you sell a script, it's all about 3 acts. Notes, meetings. It's been 3 acts for 2,400 years. Not changin #scriptchat -5:55 PM Nov 1st, 2009
dawnbierschwal I think it also followed 3 Acts. RT @mediadivadesign: @zacsanford2 (500) Days of Summer is currently at $32 million #scriptchat -5:55 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb i might have missed it, but i havent seen anyone say they just write w/o either outline or beat sheet #scriptchat -5:55 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jolenejahnke @KennyWhisperz HEY KENDALL, glad you could join us! #scriptchat -5:55 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mjreid The big upside to Celtx is it's an easy comrpomise for peeps I'm collaborating with (one uses FD, one MM, zealot-wise) #scriptchat -5:55 PM Nov 1st, 2009
blackrugger <3 that movie. Maybe because I adore Zooey D RT @mediadivadesign: @zacsanford2 (500) Days of Summer is currently at $32 million #scriptchat -5:55 PM Nov 1st, 2009 scriptcollector Reading scripts is the best way to improve. Visit scriptcollector.blogspot.com & follow me for new scripts everyday. #scriptchat -5:55 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Boy meets girl, boy falls in love, boy loses girl. RT @mediadivadesign: @zacsanford2 (500) Days of Summer is currently at $32M #scriptchat -5:55 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King RT zacsanford2 But remember, you'll have to sell the films you directed to a distributor. So you're still selling it :) #scriptchat -5:55 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @taravictoria we post a transcript, so u NEVER have to be without us : ) #scriptchat -5:54 PM Nov 1st, 2009 cpedraza I started out with MM then switched to FD. I like FD better. Fewer technical indiosyncrasies. #scriptchat -5:54 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley RT @mjreid: @mckormickastley Pixar movies are among the best structured movies ever. Without exception. [totally agree] #scriptchat -5:54 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KennyWhisperz Ok I think I'm in. (That's what he said) #scriptchat -5:54 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb RT @zacsanford2: @JasonDalBianco remember, youll have to sell the films you directed to a distributor. So ur still selling it :) #scriptchat -5:54 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley @zacsanford2 @JasonDalBianco it's all a game, no matter what. you've got to sell your visual idea to the cinematographer too. #scriptchat -5:54 PM Nov 1st, 2009 taravictoria Thanks me too! I was sad I missed last week's! :( RT @jeannevb: @taravictoria so glad u came : ) #scriptchat -5:54 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King #scriptchat as per usual, writers who want to B professional writers fall into trap of talking about how their view is better than anothers -5:53 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mediadivadesign @zacsanford2 (500) Days of Summer is currently at $32 million #scriptchat -5:53 PM Nov 1st, 2009 taravictoria @jeannevb I was taught how to do them in my screenwriting class and they're wonderful. Esp. because I'm an organization freak #scriptchat -5:53 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell I also start on page one... sentence one. #scriptchat -5:53 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mjreid @mckormickastley Pixar movies are among the best structured movies ever. Without exception. #scriptchat -5:53 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @jeffige i agree... page 1.. grab & dont let em go #scriptchat -5:53 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley @zacsanford2 it's tricky, because a real 3-act evangelist can make any movie fit the mold after the fact. #scriptchat -5:53 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @taravictoria so glad u came : ) #scriptchat -5:53 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @JasonDalBianco But remember, you'll have to sell the films you directed to a distributor. So you're still selling it :) #scriptchat -5:52 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @zacsanford2 no shit haha... but in working w a partner, i set the #1 rule that project comes first #scriptchat -5:52 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @dawnbierschwal Amen! RT @wcmartell: You need to grab the reader in 10 pages - no matter what genre. I try for the 1st page #scriptchat -5:52 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jmiewald Using Celtx right now or will be once I get started #scriptchat -5:52 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley RT @yeah_write2: @taravictoria Welcome to the junble #scriptchat -5:52 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell Doesn't matter what the program is - these are tools. You have to have a great story, well told. #scriptchat -5:52 PM Nov 1st, 2009 taravictoria @yeah_write2 Hi! *waves* Figured I'd join in.. better late than never! #scriptchat -5:52 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @taravictoria i HAVE to try them. U all seem so excited about the beat sheet angle! See, I'm learning at #scriptchat - haha -5:52 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Anyone? Can someone name a film in the past 5 years that made more than $25M that didn't use the 3 act structure? #scriptchat -5:51 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco Remember, I have ZERO desire to sell my scripts. I will direct my own stuff. All will be convinced when they see the screen. #scriptchat -5:51 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 Understood. RT @wcmartell: @yeah write2 - I refuse to answer as it might screw up my life. Lets just say I use MM. #scriptchat -5:51 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mjreid I've been using Celtx, but like FD - haven't tried MM enough to have an opinion. #scriptchat -5:51 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell It's not up to the execs, it's up to the audience. If the audience pays to see Kate Beckinsale, they make movies that star her. #scriptchat -5:51 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @jmiewald not sure, I cant see what source ppl r tweeting fr on tweetchat #scriptchat -5:51 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley @mjreid That (and monsters inc.) is one of the best structured (and well told) stories ever. #scriptchat -5:51 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @mckormickastley @jeffige I'd take 1% as a start. Heard that check it out! #scriptchat -5:50 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 @taravictoria Welcome #scriptchat -5:50 PM Nov 1st, 2009 cmhoughton @UncompletedWork I know the V Pilot was six acts, have any older shows switched from five? #scriptchat -5:50 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork RT @wcmartell You need to grab the reader in 10 pages no matter what genre. #scriptchat [Hell, I know in far less than 10 pages if it works] -5:50 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 You're not alone, but you'll want FD or MM if you sell it for budget/scheduling. RT @jmiewald: Am I the only one using Celtx? #scriptchat -5:50 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal Amen! RT @wcmartell: You need to grab the reader in 10 pages - no matter what genre. #scriptchat -5:50 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley @jmiewald Nope. I love Celtx. LOVE IT! #scriptchat -5:50 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb I hear ppl talking about MM and FD... to bring it back to structure, an fyi is Michael Hauge has a free structure template w MM #scriptchat -5:50 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell @yeah write2 - I refuse to answer as it might screw up my life. Let's just say I use MM. #scriptchat -5:50 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @talented_boy In a way, yes. I could explain more in 140 characters so shoot my @zacsanford a DM w/your email. #scriptchat -5:49 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley @jeffige I'd take 1% as a start. #scriptchat -5:49 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal @zacsanford2 Or as one Development Executive has told us "There is no estrogen in this company" #scriptchat -5:49 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mediadivadesign re: gender/race: it seems those white males have only figured out Meryl Streep and Sex and the City are sure bets #scriptchat -5:49 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mjreid @UncompletedWork From one POV, The Incredibles has an 8 part structure, 8 major sequences, two main parts #scriptchat -5:49 PM Nov 1st, 2009 taravictoria @jeannevb Hey know Im late on this but I use beat sheets and they are SO great. I was skeptical at first but now I always use it #scriptchat -5:49 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @Spitfire_King if the story allows, I love a killer opening scene #scriptchat -5:49 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco .@jeffige "Act" is never considered. I simply write what I want to see on screen then build around it to have it make sense. #scriptchat -5:49 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell You need to grab the reader in 10 pages - no matter what genre. #scriptchat -5:49 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jmiewald Am I the only one using Celtx? #scriptchat -5:49 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Hollywood is full of egos :) RT @jeannevb: ...being flexible & working as a team but must put project first, not egos #scriptchat -5:48 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @wcmartell Hope to get it next royalty payment :D #scriptchat -5:48 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @rachlanger @wcmartell Can't remember who But a writer once said 30% of what I write winds up on film! #scriptchat -5:48 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal Apologies. Quote I attributed to Dara Marks earlier is from Alexander Pope. In Dara Marks' book "Inside Story" #scriptchat -5:48 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 @wcmartell Have you used Final Draft and like MM better? #scriptchat -5:48 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King RT Thank you! @yeah_write2: I hope to have that chance to "sell out." #scriptchat -5:48 PM Nov 1st, 2009 nopantsisland @wcmartell Exactly! Collaborative effort between writers, producers, network executives. If you can't work with others... #scriptchat -5:48 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley I'm currently reading "What Just Happened" http://bit.ly/4a03Hg A must read for anybody in this game. #scriptchat -5:48 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 I think the problem w/gender & race... most of the execs are white males who don't know how to sale to women or other races. #scriptchat -5:48 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy @zacsanford2 w/ Sugar, they feel like the story itself won't sell so the name of the actor will have to do the selling? #scriptchat -5:47 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell There's a middle ground when you are writing - when you are in control. My thing is to write personal AND commercial. #scriptchat -5:47 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger @wcmartell Oh, I use Final Draft. #scriptchat -5:47 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @wcmartell SO true! Its all about compromise, being flexible & working as a team but must put project first, not egos #scriptchat -5:47 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @wcmartell I use it & I love it! #scriptchat -5:47 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork Since talking structure. I'll throw out 8 sequence story structure. I don't write w/ 8 parts in mind. Feels overly complicated #scriptchat -5:47 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King #scriptchat As part of the 3 act debate, do you prefer to open with a killer scene before developing up to 1st turning point or slow build? -5:47 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco I am so far behind this convo it's disgusting. Trying to find a service that will let me scroll that far down. #scriptchat -5:47 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh RT @yeah_write2: I hope to have that chance to "sell out." #scriptchat Me too :D -5:47 PM Nov 1st, 2009 rachlanger RT @wcmartell: Problem is - screenwriting requires all kinds of other people. If you dont want to compromise, do something else. #scriptchat -5:47 PM Nov 1st, 2009 nopantsisland The term "selling out" is really misleading. Either you're a writer, or you're not. If you're a writer, then write as required. #scriptchat -5:46 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley @mjreid & if you're new to the game, i think the 3 act structure is your only choice. don't question it until you've mastered it #scriptchat -5:46 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger Me too RT @yeah_write2: I hope to have that chance to "sell out." #scriptchat -5:46 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb haha RT @yeah_write2: I hope to have that chance to "sell out." #scriptchat -5:46 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell Movie Magic Screenwriter - Oscar winning screenwriting software. #scriptchat -5:46 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal Ditto!!! RT @yeah_write2: I hope to have that chance to "sell out." #scriptchat -5:46 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell Problem is - screenwriting requires all kinds of other people. If you don't want to compromise, do something else. #scriptchat -5:45 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Depending on genre & budget. RT @KageyNYC: @zacsanford2 re: answer to ethnicity question, thanks for honesty - same w/gender? #scriptchat -5:45 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @talented_boy No problem, always happy to help #scriptchat -5:45 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @mckormickastley i opened it on my laptop & will watch later... thanks! #scriptchat -5:45 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @DJordanKnight They are worth telling, a good story is always worth telling #scriptchat -5:45 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco I type in proper format cuz I need actors & crew & see my plan & want 2 come on board. Keep moving if you insist on 3 acts. #scriptchat -5:45 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 I hope to have that chance to "sell out." #scriptchat -5:45 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy @PennyAsh thanks, i appreciate that...i just finished a rewrite that culd raise those type of questions, that's y i was curious #scriptchat -5:45 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @DJordanKnight I wld like to think ANY story is worth writing if its engaging regardless of race... #scriptchat -5:45 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jmiewald Yeah, "selling out" is more like if you got a 9-5 job for money and gave up on your talent. #scriptchat -5:45 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger @wcmartell what is MM? #scriptchat -5:44 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @JasonDalBianco so do you write in 4 act or 5 or just don't use structure at all? #scriptchat -5:44 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KageyNYC @zacsanford2 re: answer to ethnicity question, thanks for honesty - same w/gender? #scriptchat -5:44 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 I did but dropped out when my film was banned :) RT @jmiewald: Has anyone gone to college for screenwriting? #scriptchat -5:44 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley @jeannevb seriously. I mentioned it last week, but it was such an enlightening interview. Can't say it enough. #scriptchat -5:44 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JakeAppleman If I write a script Called Wag the Dog 2 about A-Rod in a celebrity relationship with Penny Lane, people will hate it right? #scriptchat -5:44 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb "selling out" is a tough one. As much as i want to be produced, I want to be proud of my work, not feel like I compromised for $ #scriptchat -5:44 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mjreid IMO 3 act structure is a tool (albeit a very useful one) that helps you tell your story. #scriptchat -5:44 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal True ease in writing comes from art, not chance, as those move easier who have learned to dance. - Dara Marks #scriptchat -5:44 PM Nov 1st, 2009 rachlanger @jmiewald I took it as part of my film school package. #scriptchat -5:44 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell I use MM, but used a modified beat sheet broken into 5 page/min segments for pacing. One ruled paper. #scriptchat -5:43 PM Nov 1st, 2009 DJordanKnight But what if ethnicity is key to the story? Are these not stories worth writing, or are they just marketed differently? #scriptchat -5:43 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jolenejahnke RT @indpnt1 We feel closure as an audience when a story concludes in 3 acts. But nice to be out of the comfort zone on occasion #scriptchat -5:43 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 RT @wcmartell: I learned screenwriting before books, from Billy Wilder... who created in 3 acts. So do I. #scriptchat -5:43 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb btw, dont worry if ur missing the fast stream of tweets, I'll post a transcript so u can get a full read #scriptchat -5:43 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @wcmartell same with my books, I have vague descriptions & let the reader fill in #scriptchat -5:43 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 RT @wcmartell: I learned screenwriting before books, from Billy Wilder... who created in 3 acts. So do I. #scriptchat -5:43 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jmiewald Has anyone gone to college for screenwriting? #scriptchat -5:43 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King #scriptchat I'm over the "selling out" crap, I want to work in the biz, not sit back and claim authority from a backwater 9-5 job -5:43 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @talented_boy No prob. Like I said w/Sugar they want Will or Jamie Fox only. Will already did boxing & Jamie did a biopic rcntly #scriptchat -5:42 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennGates @jeannevb I never became proficient at using "real" index cards. :/ #ScriptChat -5:42 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KageyNYC @talented_boy re: ethnicity - I'm falling behind on tweets so PLS if some1 answers, share w/me - I'd love 2 know that answer #scriptchat -5:42 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 @zacsanford2 When I watched BRICK after reading the screenplay I was surprised at casting. Not ethnicity in script #scriptchat -5:42 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb RT @mckormickastley: @mjreid listen to The Dialogue interview w/ QT about IB. Awesome. http://bit.ly/4Crq4B #scriptchat -5:42 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JoQatana @UncompletedWork just as its difficult for anyone to understand why actors DO work for free #scriptchat -5:42 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @talented_boy Put the story first and be honest, everything else will fall in place #scriptchat -5:42 PM Nov 1st, 2009 rachlanger @mjreid I see where you're coming from, but I don't really see that as beg mid & end. Maybe the concept is in my blind spot. #scriptchat -5:42 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell ... African American leads, female leads, whoever gets cast. I just want the best actor. #scriptchat -5:42 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennGates Any opinions on Syd Fields books on screenwriting and workshops? #ScriptChat -5:42 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @talented_boy Exactly. I edited one of the best IR romance writers out there, story always came first #scriptchat -5:41 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley @mjreid listen to The Dialogue interview w/ QT about IB. Awesome. http://bit.ly/4Crq4B #scriptchat -5:41 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @PennGates I use MM, but there is an index card feature, just havent tried it... that wld keep my desk neater, i guess haha #ScriptChat -5:41 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork .@talented_boy If script takes place in Japan & u confuse Japanese culture w/ Chinese, or get social things wrong. I'll ding ya #scriptchat -5:41 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell I do not cast my movies - I have no idea who will play the roles or what they will look like. I've had Asian-American leads... #scriptchat -5:41 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy @zacsanford2 i definitely appreciate your honesty #scriptchat -5:41 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @talented_boy Not to me but first thing I looked at was the story, was it good, then was the ethnicity realistic #scriptchat -5:40 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell I learned screenwriting before books, from Billy Wilder... who created in 3 acts. So do I. #scriptchat -5:40 PM Nov 1st, 2009 rachlanger Good to know, I can envision, but not set. RT @zacsanford2: Every script Ive written Ive never put race in the character descr. #scriptchat -5:40 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @talented_boy but it must be thought of. We have a script for Sugar Ray Robinson, but no studio wants to make it because of cast #scriptchat -5:40 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mjreid @mjreid 1: Vince saves Mia from overdose. 2: Butch saves Marcellus from rape 3: Mr. Wolf saves Vince and Jules #scriptchat -5:40 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy @PennyAsh @UncompletedWork i strive 4 non-stereotypical...just always wary of the line between stereotypes and realism, ya know? #scriptchat -5:40 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King Sorry all my follwers being bombarded by #scriptchat talk, I should have made a second account -5:40 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennGates @jeannevb The index cards I use are built into FD. They're easy to move, click & drag. Really helps with making changes. #ScriptChat -5:40 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork .@KageyNYC YES! Writing is a commodity. Not something free. It's hard for non-writers to understand this from time to time #ScriptChat -5:39 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @talented_boy At my company I'll read it without hindering my judgment. To me it is all about the story and not the race. #scriptchat -5:39 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger @wcmartell so when you're writing a character you keep the ethnicity open? #scriptchat -5:39 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @zacsanford2 i agree about casting, but i'm writing a slave story... hard not to #scriptchat -5:39 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco Can't deny the presence of shit on my boot either, doesn't mean I embrace it. RT @jeffige: But you can not deny its presence. #scriptchat -5:39 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Every script I've written I've never put race in the character description. I'll let casting decide that. #scriptchat -5:39 PM Nov 1st, 2009 rachlanger @jeannevb *blush* ain't no thang. #scriptchat -5:39 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mjreid @rachlanger I'd say so - the story's structured thematically as opposed to chronologically, around the theme of "saving" #scriptchat -5:38 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jeffige TY Have read some where the ethnicity was secondary to the story which were fantastic reads too #scriptchat -5:38 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @UncompletedWork he's an asshole but knows a lot about story, that's for sure. Learned a ton @dawnbierschwal #scriptchat -5:38 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JustinWHedges #scriptchat The point being it would eventually no longer be called selling out. Sorta sent a muddy message there. -5:38 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork .@blackrugger Honestly, reading it was the worst part. Not so much the images. I've read my fair share of crazy #scriptchat -5:38 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal @UncompletedWork Be prepared for 12 hour days, an ego bigger than Texas, and no questions allowed... but worth the punishment! #scriptchat -5:38 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy @zacsanford2 i can understand the extent...but do you still read it like you normally would or is it already disadvantaged? #scriptchat -5:38 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 RT @JustinWHedges: @dawnbierschwal #scriptchat Thank you! That should be lesson #1 at every film school IMO. Selling out = good. #scriptchat -5:38 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb while we're all on here, I want to formally thank @rachlanger for getting our scriptchat blog up! *CURTSY* U rock! #scriptchat -5:38 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @JasonDalBianco But you can not deny its presence. #scriptchat -5:38 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell All of my characters are whatever race the star they cast is - from Billy Dee Williams to whatever martial arts guy sells DVDs. #scriptchat -5:37 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco Get yee behind me Satan! RT @zacsanford2: And do all your scripts have a beginning, middle & end? #scriptchat -5:37 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Since @wcmartell is a produced writer, it would be good to hear his thoughts on 3 act structure. #scriptchat -5:37 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @rachlanger sadly, i havent seen it #scriptchat -5:37 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 @dawnbierschwal Read, and re-reading Robert McKee's book STORY. Very good. #scriptchat -5:37 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennGates I have Robert McKee's book "Story" and have seen vids of his workshops. #ScriptChat -5:37 PM Nov 1st, 2009 rachlanger @mjreid but does three story-lines automatically imply three acts? #scriptchat -5:37 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JustinWHedges @dawnbierschwal #scriptchat Thank you! That should be lesson #1 at every film school IMO. Selling out = good. -5:37 PM Nov 1st, 2009 beingbrad Hey @zacsanford2 you should check out #365loglines - 1 logline a day for a year #scriptchat - no pay but there's no fame either -5:37 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @PennGates im thinking i have to dig out those index cards... #scriptchat -5:37 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco @UncompletedWork I am okay with my natural yearnings landing on a 3 act path, but I am not going to follow a map. #scriptchat -5:37 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jeannevb I'm going to dig a few movies out tonivght and watch on the laptop where I can replay :) #scriptchat -5:37 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork .@dawnbierschwal @jeannevb: Robert McKee [I hear he's a barrel of laughs :-)] #scriptchat -5:36 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 ha ha! :) RT @jeannevb: @zacsanford2 good thing Im writing my nxt script for Will to star in #phew #scriptchat -5:36 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @PennyAsh @talented_boy ethnicity only impacted my read in cases where the ethnic character was stereotyped. Heard that! #scriptchat -5:36 PM Nov 1st, 2009 DJordanKnight @zacsanford2 never mind, your addendum answered my question : ) #scriptchat -5:36 PM Nov 1st, 2009 rachlanger I would call Inglorious Basterds a 5-Act Blockbuster, but I could be painfully wrong. #scriptchat -5:36 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @talented_boy What budgets are your scripts, because it probably wouldn't matter? #scriptchat -5:36 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @Spitfire_King I've had Michael Hauge consult w me. His DVD on the Heros 2 Journeys is great! #scriptchat -5:36 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennGates I like and use the 3 act structure and beat sheets. Once I sketch out the 1st draft in FD, I can move the index cards around. #ScriptChat -5:36 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal Very helpful for us early on! RT @jeannevb: Has anyone gone to one of Robert McKees seminars? All about 3 acts. #scriptchat -5:35 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco .@jeffige No way Jose. I am literally going to wipe my ass with the pages of a book that teaches 3 act structure and rules. #scriptchat -5:35 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @zacsanford2 good thing I'm writing my nxt script for Will to star in #phew #scriptchat -5:35 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mjreid @rachlanger Sure he does! Pulp Fiction had three acts: Vince and Marcellus' Wife, The Gold Watch, and Bonnie Situation #scriptchat -5:35 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @zacsanford2 LOL I could write something for Will Smith :) #scriptchat -5:35 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork .@talented_boy Ethinicity alone doesn't impact my read. BUT, if you make a character a walking stereotype. It will. #ScriptChat -5:35 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King #scriptchat I did Michael Hagues seminar, and there is always 5% of the attendees wanting to argue the 3 act structure. They're everywhere -5:35 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Addendum #2... luckily for me, my boss loves racially diverse scripts and our budgets don't matter as much. #scriptchat -5:35 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger RT @KageyNYC: I want to make $$$ at screenwriting. I feel really comfortable saying that. Im a fan of being paid for my writing #scriptchat -5:35 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @rachlanger to be honest, I've never analyzed one of his films, but i own all Kill Bills... I'll watch again #scriptchat -5:35 PM Nov 1st, 2009 indpnt1 #scriptchat We feel closure as an audience when a story concludes in 3 acts. But It's nice to be out of the comfort zone on occasion. -5:35 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @KageyNYC I'm with you, I want to make a good living doing this #scriptchat -5:34 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @talented_boy I'm not a reader But I would say no - if the story is gripping #scriptchat -5:34 PM Nov 1st, 2009 DJordanKnight @zacsanford2 really? why? #scriptchat -5:34 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger @UncompletedWork Painful that you had to read it, or Painful that you unfortunately saw the images as you read it? #scriptchat -5:34 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell Hey, Zac! Long time. Good to see you. #scriptchat -5:34 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Addendum to my last tweet - Every studio tends to worry because only one person sells internationally... Will Smith. #scriptchat -5:34 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @talented_boy I was an editor (books) ethnicity only impacted my read in cases where the ethnic character was stereotyped #scriptchat -5:34 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco No matter what rules I do or do not follow, I don't do anything I cannot defend. If I can't argue 4 it, maybe I shouldn't do it. #scriptchat -5:33 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 To an extent, yes. Hate to say it, but honest here. RT @talented_boy: #scriptchat does character ethnicity impact your read? #scriptchat -5:33 PM Nov 1st, 2009 rachlanger I know I'm going to get hated on for this question, but does Tarantino use a 3-Act structure? #scriptchat -5:33 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb RT @talented_boy: #scriptchat i have honest question for any professional readers...does character ethnicity impact your read? #scriptchat -5:33 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KageyNYC I want to make $$$ at screenwriting. I feel really comfortable saying that. I'm a fan of being paid for my writing - BIG FAN! #scriptchat -5:33 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley I feel anyone can learn structure but it takes practice, patience and some other word that starts with P to make it your bitch #scriptchat -5:33 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige There are a ton of flicks that were great but didn't hit the big $$ #scriptchat -5:33 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork More about the prison scene I read. Every detail was choreographed like a fight scene. Overly wordy, novelized. PAINFUL. #Scriptchat -5:32 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @PennyAsh i usually map out story w BOTH action & char dev in mind when plotting turning points #scriptchat -5:32 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JakeAppleman How rigid are you when trying write visually, and specifically so, for the camera, as opposed to getting the story down? #scriptchat -5:32 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @wcmartell Welcome to the chat Mr Martell. #scriptchat -5:32 PM Nov 1st, 2009 DJordanKnight @wcmartell glad you made it! #scriptchat -5:32 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jmiewald You could just make your movie yourself. Then u can ignore all the rules. #scriptchat -5:32 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal @MonicaEmme 3 Act Structure: 25% Establish, 50% Build, 25% Resolve. Very simplistic, I know... but I have 140 chars. : ) #scriptchat -5:32 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy #scriptchat i have an honest question for anyone who used to be/are professional readers...does character ethnicity impact your read? -5:32 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @JasonDalBianco And do all your scripts have a beginning, middle & end? #scriptchat -5:32 PM Nov 1st, 2009 shoshido Recently saw "RocknRolla". 3 times in 4 days. OMG, crazy-loved it. So cleverly written & beautifully constructed. #scriptchat -5:32 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell What else can you do with a screenplay other than sell it so that it can be a movie? (or make it yourself) #scriptchat #scriptchat -5:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 I read scripts every day that writers pour their heart into but sometimes I wonder if they would even pay to see what they wrote #scriptchat -5:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb Has anyone gone to one of Robert McKee's seminars? @dawnbierschwal & I did several yrs ago. All about 3 acts. #scriptchat -5:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger @jeannevb I'm going to do that with Shaun of the Dead #scriptchat -5:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jeannevb I've picked apart character, time to go back and gnaw on the bones now :) #scriptchat -5:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King #scriptchat I want to be successful, I want to write film scripts for a mass audience and I enjoy a nice neat 3 act film -5:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 @jeffige Making money also means you had a good story, and shared it with many. #scriptchat -5:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco @zacsanford2 @UncompletedWork When it comes 2 the actual way I format the script, dialog, action, slug lines...I stick 2 rules. #scriptchat -5:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mediadivadesign . @jeffige who says you can't do both? #scriptchat -5:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal @jeffige Who says you can't do both? #scriptchat -5:30 PM Nov 1st, 2009 DJordanKnight @jeffige what does it have to be one or the other? #scriptchat -5:30 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Amen! RT @jeannevb: Everyone shld think about their fave films, watch them & pick apart structure #scriptchat -5:30 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 If I could be paid a livable wage to create stories all day, I would die a VERY happy man. #scriptchat -5:30 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @mediadivadesign @zacsanford2 Reality is, u can write what u want, but selling it is another thing... as u well know. #scriptchat -5:30 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jmiewald Going into screenwriting is "selling out." If you were a real artist you would be painting a canvas with cats or something #scriptchat -5:30 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mediadivadesign . @zacsanford2 by that standard, then all graphic designers are sell outs, because we design what is appealing to the consumer #scriptchat -5:30 PM Nov 1st, 2009 MonicaEmme can someone explain what a 3 act structure is? #scriptchat -5:30 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork .@JasonDalBianco RE: Kaufman. Good story telling is intuitive to good structure. #scriptchat -5:29 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @dawnbierschwal Yeah, but I'd rather tell a good story than make good money. #scriptchat -5:29 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal "Sell out" is insulting term to me. It says if I make a movie the mainstream wants to see that I'm somehow less of a writer. #scriptchat -5:29 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 That's like saying I want to write a 400 page novel but I don't want it to ever be a best seller. Liar. lol #scriptchat -5:29 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb Everyone shld think about their fave films, watch them & pick apart structure #scriptchat -5:29 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 All my scripts are "sell out" scripts. My ideas are huge! And Of course I want to make money because I love this business. #scriptchat -5:29 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mediadivadesign @dawnbierschwal hear hear! #scriptchat -5:29 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 .@mediadivadesign Because "artists" believe they should write what they want and not what an audience wants. #scriptchat -5:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @smashadv ok, ok, go be a good daddy .. there's always the transcript : ) *smooch* #scriptchat -5:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King @zacsanford2 #scriptchat everyone wants to tell stories thier own way but the platform they want to tell it on is a successful 3 act style -5:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger @UncompletedWork Ewwww...haha #scriptchat -5:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009 nopantsisland @UncompletedWork Unless it's a porno, I call #cancelled #scriptchat -5:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jeannevb Going to dig out my favorite movie and see if it had 3-act structure :) #scriptchat -5:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal I have to ask... what is wrong with wanting to make a movie that makes money? Make one and you'll be able to make lots more. #scriptchat -5:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco @UncompletedWork That may mean 1 of 2 things, the writer sucked or your taste sucks. Or maybe both, so perhaps 2 of 2 things... #ScriptChat -5:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009 nopantsisland @jeannevb Hah! Love it... but it wouldn't make for a very good story. And we'd be missing the structure. ;) #wishfullthinking #scriptchat -5:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mediadivadesign @zacsanford2 "sell out" now there's a term that bugs me. Why is writing a successful screenplay selling out? #scriptchat -5:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @MonicaEmme doesnt matter. U might find u want to : ) We're talking about 3-act structure. If its necessary to make work salable #scriptchat -5:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @mckormickastley I just thought it was boring and pretentious. I've loved most his other films though. #scriptchat -5:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @MonicaEmme A lot carries over :) #writechat #scriptchat -5:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KageyNYC If you plan 2 write & direct ur film (as @JasonDalBianco plans) does it matter or is there something storytelling-wise to 3act? #scriptchat -5:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 @MonicaEmme Stay anyway. We are talking about structure. #scriptchat -5:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009 smashadv @jeannevb nursing a sick child too. i multitask. (it's the Yankees!! come on!) ;) #scriptchat -5:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork .@zacsanford2 Once I read, I'm not exaggerating, a 14 page prison rape scene. No dialog for 14 pgs, just wet, man-on-man detail. #scriptchat -5:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @UncompletedWork No doubt! But how many times have Prodcos stepped in and screwed the story just to make the $$ #scriptchat -5:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb RT @zacsanford2: Wow, no 1 @replied me w/a blockbuster that didnt use 3 act structure... that tells u something. #scriptchat -5:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009 MonicaEmme just walked in and saw that you asked #writechat writers to stay. What if we don't write scripts? #scriptchat -5:26 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jmiewald Going to have to watch some of my favorites over and pick them apart now :) #scriptchat -5:26 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal Me too! RT @mckormickastley: I find structure very liberating. #scriptchat -5:26 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger I love using the 3 act structure. It makes writing so much easier, at least for me #scriptchat -5:26 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @nopantsisland maybe u can use ur tweets to count as NaNo words #wishfulthinking #scriptchat -5:26 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King @nopantsisland #scriptchat no worries, we're all new to something at some stage in our careers, but we all learn different tips at any time -5:26 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley @zacsanford2 I'm asking anyone. Evert loved it and PSH is incredible. That bad? #scriptchat -5:26 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Wow, no one @replied me w/a blockbuster that didn't use the 3 act structure. So if you want to sell out, that tells u something. #scriptchat -5:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @smashadv ur watching a baseball game instead of doing #scriptchat?! tsk tsk ;) -5:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco Charlie Kaufman (I'd marry his face off) in intrvw answrd to the effect of, "I only have a vague idea about structure..." #scriptchat -5:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @PennyAsh totally : ) #scriptchat -5:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009 nopantsisland @zacsanford2 I know - I'm ignoring my NaNo quota as we type. 1000 words left for today... #scriptchat -5:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @UncompletedWork @JasonDalBianco I think you have to stay on the plane of 3 acts - keeping your feet on the ground is up to you. #scriptchat -5:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 I hated this film, even if you didn't ask me :) RT @mckormickastley: have you seen Synechtode NY? Its next on my list. #scriptchat -5:24 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy #scriptchat writing an outline is usually just 2 get the feeling u hav a beg, mid and end...but w/ strong characters, the story tells itself -5:24 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley I find structure very liberating. #scriptchat -5:24 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @mckormickastley oh YES! I'm one of the few who loved it! It was named after a town near me (Schenectady) #scriptchat -5:24 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork .@jeffige "I want to tell stories - not make money." That doesn't mean you can't have a well constructed story though ;-) #scriptchat -5:24 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jmiewald I think its all about watching movies that you like and want to aspire to. Do they use three act structure? #scriptchat -5:24 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @mckormickastley I use structure, but then dig in the details of ea scene HAVING to move the story & add CONFLICT or I cut it #scriptchat -5:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley @jeannevb have you seen Synechtode NY? It's next on my list. #scriptchat -5:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 .@UncompletedWork @JasonDalBianco One of the worst "F the Rules" scripts I read was 247 pages and 1 action block was 3 pages. #scriptchat -5:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork Hey @ebertchicago care to join us screenwriters for some #Scriptchat? We're talking about 3 Act Structure tonight. -5:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KageyNYC @JasonDalBianco I know you hate it but tell why, pls, I'm genuinely interested. #scriptchat -5:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009 rachlanger Writing within defined parameters helps me stay in control- be it acts or time limits. When I need to lose control I freewrite. #scriptchat -5:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jeannevb I was an artist for a lot of years, I think it carries over :) #scriptchat -5:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige I want to tell stories - not make money. Therefore I will do as they want until I can tell them to Fu@% off and tell it my way. #scriptchat -5:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb RT @dawnbierschwal: defining turning pts helps me more creative, not less, think outside the box upfront before locking in. #scriptchat -5:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork RT @jeannevb: @UncompletedWork I love Charlie Kaufman. Wld kill to get him to join us one night... #scriptchat {hey, now that's on record!} -5:22 PM Nov 1st, 2009 nopantsisland @Spitfire_King Sure thing - I'm still new in the relative sense, but would be glad to pass along anything I can. #scriptchat -5:22 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley I get structure & believe in it, but 4 me it's more important in every scene the char's want something (as focus for my writing) #scriptchat -5:22 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork .@JasonDalBianco Every script I've ever read where screenwriter said "F the rules, I'mma re-invent the wheel!" wasn't very good. #ScriptChat -5:22 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal I find defining turning points helps me more creative, not less... gets me 2 think outside the box upfront before locking in. #scriptchat -5:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco I suspect 1 might look at my work & point out how I'm unknowingly using structure. Fine. Just don't tell me I HAVE to use it. #scriptchat -5:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb RT @zacsanford2: Can someone name a blockbuster from the last 5 years that didnt have three acts? #scriptchat -5:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Uh oh, some of use #scriptchatters might have to join #writechat as #NaNoWriMo started today. #scriptchat -5:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @PennyAsh i write visually as well, for sure #scriptchat -5:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KageyNYC This leads 2 salable part of topic RT @zacsanford2 3 act, all readers in Hollywood trained on that & look 4 things by certain pp #scriptchat -5:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @DJordanKnight Yeah, or something that makes your reader/viewer's hair stand on end #scriptchat -5:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @jeffige indy is more flexible as well bc there arent all the corporate, inflexible suits waiting for the big profit in the end #scriptchat -5:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Can someone name a blockbuster from the last 5 years that didn't have three acts? #scriptchat -5:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork .@zacsanford2 I read for a company that had a 42 PAGE readers rubric. Everything was broken down, to the romance, b-story level #scriptchat -5:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jeannevb LOL can't help it, I see my book scenes in technicolor :) #writechat #scriptchat -5:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King @nopantsisland #scriptchat I'll have to get some tips off you one day, got an idea for a comedy series. -5:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco I just want to make a movie. F all the terms and rules. I'll tell a story I like. F the rest. #scriptchat -5:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mjreid 3 act structure is dominant because that's how our minds handle stories. Beginning / Middle / End = 3 acts. #scriptchat -5:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @UncompletedWork I love Charlie Kaufman. Wld kill to get him to join us one night... #scriptchat -5:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige Indies are more forgiving than Big Prodcos. They have more of a brain! than a rule book. #scriptchat -5:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 .@UncompletedWork I know someone at *insert big company here* that requires a big set piece w/action by page 5. #scriptchat -5:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 Break in then brk the rulesRT @jeffige @zacsanford2 I think u have to stay close to the rules if you are new and trying to sell #scriptchat -5:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @zacsanford2 I buy on ebay or amazon, get reviews from friends :) The big screen TV helps too #scriptchat -5:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009 DJordanKnight @PennyAsh Yep. Or a concrete statement - especially one that might be considered controversial. #scriptchat -5:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork RT @zacsanford2: Sort of. TV is a who different animal. RT @mediadivadesign: I understand 1 hour TV is now 6 act #scriptchat [Indeed] -5:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KageyNYC @zacsanford2: Asked in class, since breaking it down Act I, Act II (Midpoint) Act II, Act III - why not 4-acts? Told, why not! #scriptchat -5:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger @Spitfire_King i plan for my screenplays, I just don't worry about the techincals terms until I have the first draft. #scriptchat -5:18 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @PennyAsh i'm sooooo excited u found us. SEE #writechat writers? We have a defector haha #scriptchat -5:18 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork DO NOT CONFUSE: Non-traditional story telling techniques with not having 3 Acts. Charlie Kaufman's scripts are 3 acts. #Scriptchat -5:18 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mjreid @rachlanger Act structures for TV are determined by commercial breaks. Each show has a different structure, hour and 1/2 hour. #scriptchat -5:18 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @zacsanford2 I think you have to stay close to the rules if you are new and trying to sell. #scriptchat -5:18 PM Nov 1st, 2009 hashtager # @diablocody Join us for #scriptchat at http://bit.ly/d0BWh with hashtag #scriptchat. Screenwriters talking about sctructure. -5:18 PM Nov 1st, 2009 hashtager # @JoannaDangelo Do you know about the #scriptchat hashtag? they're chatting now. -5:18 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy #scriptchat what's been interesting is figuring out how to be different while still meeting the 'classic screenwriting' rules & regulations -5:18 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Sort of. TV is a who different animal. RT @mediadivadesign: I understand 1 hour TV is now 6 act #scriptchat -5:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King #scriptchat it's the same old story, who are you writing for? The commercial industry or the indy film fest, I know where I want to end up -5:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jeannevb I'm seeing a lot of parallels :) I'm going to have a blast doing this #scriptchat -5:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @diablocody I'll give u a margarita and ROLOS if u just say HI to us wannabes *FIREBALLS* #scriptchat (cc @dawnbierschwal ) -5:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009 nopantsisland I primarily write television these days - half hour comedy, two act structures plus teaser/tail. #scriptchat -5:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @PennyAsh Yikes, I don't know what I would do if a movie theater was that far away. #scriptchat -5:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal Thanks, Zac. Good to know! #scriptchat -5:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @DJordanKnight Which is why I try to always start with some sort of action #scriptchat -5:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork Yes @zacsanford Many co's have stringent rubrics for their readers. and it's tough to get non trad. structure thru the door #scriptchat -5:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Ha ha! RT @JasonDalBianco: Feels confining, predictable, formulaic, [insert many vulgar bad terms and feelings ] #scriptchat -5:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mediadivadesign I understand 1 hour TV is now 6 act #scriptchat -5:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @jeffige I'm a reader, but luckily in the indie world. I still look for some tried and true aspects, but rules can be thrown out #scriptchat -5:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @zacsanford2 Exactly or in my case driving 50 plus miles to see #scriptchat -5:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal @diablocody Join us for #scriptchat at http://bit.ly/d0BWh with hashtag #scriptchat. Screenwriters talking about sctructure. -5:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige I write from the hip. It helps spark my creativety with out being confined. #scriptchat -5:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009 DJordanKnight @PennyAsh Agreed. The first sentence, really, but def by the first paragraph. #scriptchat -5:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 ha ha. I was in the STC LA writer's group and had to leave. "Your catalyst isn't on page 12." Sorry it is a guidepost, not rule #scriptchat -5:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @PennyAsh the hook holds true in screenwriting as well : ) See, ur gonna love this heehee #scriptchat -5:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco Feels confining, predictable, formulaic, [insert many vulgar bad terms and feelings ] RT @PennyAsh: Why do you hate it? #scriptchat -5:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009 amgamble @JoannaDangelo Do you know about the #scriptchat hashtag? they're chatting now. -5:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009 rachlanger Any thoughts on act structures for TV writing? 1/2 hour? hour long? #scriptchat -5:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @dawnbierschwal If you're using tweetchat you don't need to type the hash as it will automatically put it in and not double it. #scriptchat -5:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @CheekyWench *smooch* #writechat writers PLEASE try us out! #scriptchat -5:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King @blackrugger I used to write like that and made a mess of a few scripts, I find planning works better for me now #scriptchat -5:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @zacsanford2 No doubt! They turn to page 1 then pg 10 then halfway - blah blah blah! #scriptchat -5:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb does anyone out there (besides @jasondalbianco) NOT use 3 act structure? Plz explain why... #scriptchat -5:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @zacsanford2 The hook :) in writing a novel you have about a paragraph to grab the reader #scriptchat -5:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009 CheekyWench #scriptchat going on right now.. any scriptwriters or those interested in the craft, jump in :D @jeannevb won't bite.... hard. -5:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 And worth your $10+ to go see. RT @PennyAsh: @UncompletedWork True. The story has to be worth telling #scriptchat -5:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal I like defining a midpoint as well. #scriptchat #scriptchat -5:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy #scriptchat reading 'your screenplay sucks: 100 ways to make it great' by william m. akers damn near changed my life...and i'm not even done -5:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco "I'm talking scorched Earth mother fucker! I will massacre you!" F 3 act structure! @zacsanford2 #scriptchat -5:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Someone on the brown list would say otherwise :) RT @jeannevb: @talented_boy @zacsanford is awesomeness : ) #scriptchat -5:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 I do this at homeRT @dawnbierschwal: Brought pen and paper to movie theatre after first learning strucure. Mapped it out on ppr #scriptchat -5:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb i use turning pts to highlight char dev not just story #scriptchat -5:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige Its good to read and know all the "GURUS." After you learn it - throw it out the window and WRITE ON! #scriptchat -5:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @UncompletedWork True. The story has to be worth telling #scriptchat -5:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger @Spitfire_King honestly I just write, then go through again to make sure everything fits. #scriptchat -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @talented_boy @zacsanford is awesomeness : ) #scriptchat -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 @zacsanford2 Sort the same thing. Just breaking up act 2 #scriptchat -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 One thing about the 3 act structure, all the readers here in Hollywood are trained on that and look for things by certain pages. #scriptchat -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King #scriptchat a lot of books have been written on the subject, those for and against it, but you can spend your life collecting them -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb if there are any screenwriters out there who want to join in, don't be shy... blast ur thoughts out! #scriptchat -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mjreid 3 act structure is fine if your story fits it - my current script works best as 5 act, so I plot it that way. #scriptchat -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork 3 Act - beginning, middle & end, are intuitive to storytelling. But simply having these things doesn't nesc. make a good story! #scriptchat -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KageyNYC @jeffige Exactly, learn the rules to break the rules but I do think you need to be strategic when/if you break them. #scriptchat -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jmiewald @Spitfire_King I use a Midpoint in my 3 Act Structure. Almost like a 4 Act Structure. #scriptchat -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal Brought pen and paper to movie theatre after first learning strucure. Mapped it out on paper as I watched. #sriptchat #geek #scriptchat -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @yeah_write2 Yes! They may not realize it, but they do. #scriptchat -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley I use google notebook to hash out my beats ( and scenes ). Saved online can edit rearrange anywhere I'm connected #scriptchat -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb RT @yeah_write2: Save the Cat Goes to the Movies is also excellent. #scriptchat -5:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy @jeannevb thanks....@zacsanford is to blame for my presence...good dude from a twitter point of view #scriptchat -5:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige 3 act structure is good to know. Most flicks do it but in a totally different way. #scriptchat -5:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 See, I really don't use a three act structure... I consider the second act to be two separate acts split up by the midpoint. #scriptchat -5:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 I do. RT @Spitfire_King: #scriptchat Do most people use a midpoint in their 3 act structure? #scriptchat -5:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @Spitfire_King i use midpt, for sure #scriptchat -5:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Not only is the first ten pages important, but that first page is most important of all. Some readers tune out after that. #scriptchat -5:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009 DJordanKnight Truby uses something like 25 beats. I much prefer STC. #scriptchat -5:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jeffige Sounds like phase outlining #scriptchat -5:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King #scriptchat Do most people use a midpoint in their 3 act structure? -5:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 Save the Cat Goes to the Movies is also excellent. #scriptchat -5:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KageyNYC I read Syd Field & Blake Snyder back-to-back - First is super in-depth, second seemed immediately actionable - perfect combo #scriptchat -5:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @JasonDalBianco Next time I'm up in the NorCal, I guess we're going to have to throw down over the 3 act structure. #scriptchat -5:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @JasonDalBianco i love how ur so afraid to speak ur mind haha #scriptchat -5:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @KageyNYC Learn it live it then break the hell out of it! #scriptchat -5:09 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb 3 act is prob most salable for commercial film but u have more flexibility if u want to shoot independent #scriptchat -5:09 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @JasonDalBianco Why do you hate it? #scriptchat -5:09 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy #scriptchat reading syd field made me take my first ten pages very seriously...turns out it gets the blood flowing -5:09 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork She's not here, but @covermyscript wrote a good article on 3 Act Structure. Check it out http://bit.ly/1Q1Jai #scriptchat -5:09 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco I HATE 3 THE ACT STRUCTURE CONCEPT. I'll say it again, I hope to get into a bloody bar fight with a 3 act structure supporter. #scriptchat -5:09 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @mediadivadesign I would also recommend checking out Save the Cat by @blake_snyder. His two books give great examples. #scriptchat -5:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige Beatsheet = Each "beat" represents an event which is pivotal to the direction and flow of the story. #scriptchat -5:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @yeah_write2 Thanks, just sent it #scriptchat -5:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jokeandbiagio RT @UncompletedWork: Pre-emptive note to my followers. From 8 to 9 EST I'll be participating in #ScriptChat. Screenwriters join in. -5:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KageyNYC I'm in school & learning 3-act. We're being taught to learn it, practice it, internalize it then it won't feel confining. #scriptchat -5:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @talented_boy btw, welcome youngin : ) #scriptchat -5:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger @zacsanford2 I would like that beat sheet. #scriptchat -5:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 .@jeannevb mentions @blake_snyder w/STC, but there are other beat gurus out there w/dif amounts of beats needed. #scriptchat -5:07 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh #ScriptChat I like an opening story/scene that grabs me and doesn't let go until the end -5:07 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @zacsanford2 maybe u can post it on our scriptchat blog site? #scriptchat -5:07 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 TRUE RT @jeannevb: fyi: the expert on beat sheets was Blake Snyder. New screenwriters might want to get his book Save The Cat #scriptchat -5:07 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger goodbookRT @jeannevb: fyi: the expert on beat sheets was Blake Snyder. New screenwriters might want to get his book Save The Cat #scriptchat -5:07 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 @PennyAsh DM me your email at @yeah_write and I'll send you a good one. #scriptchat -5:07 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork As @KageyNYC can attest, @robertamunroe shared many reasons why your story structure must be more compact in a short. #ScriptChat -5:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @KageyNYC we know how @jasondalbianco feels about "beat sheets" ... i've seen his desk HA #scriptchat -5:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mediadivadesign @zacsanford2 ahh, thanks. sounds like it could be a useful way for me to organize my ideas #scriptchat -5:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 If anyone wants a decent example of a beat sheet, I have a beat sheet of a pitch for White Noise 3 :) Yes, part 3 #scriptchat -5:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King #scriptchat Like having a goal to aim for, but write on the fly filling in the blanks of my outline as I go nice mix of structure and freedm -5:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy #scriptchat if i kno my inciting incident, my plot points and my midpoint, i can usually write around that -5:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb fyi: the expert on beat sheets was Blake Snyder. New screenwriters might want to get his book Save The Cat #scriptchat -5:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009 amgamble RT @PennyAsh: #ScriptChat 3-act = Hook, Line, & Sinker -5:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork SHORT FILM structure does not necessarily lend itself to 3 acts. You do not have the leisure you do in a feature. #scriptchat -5:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 RT @nopantsisland @jeannevb Beat sheets are good when you have a lot of ideas, but arent confident of the order they should fall #scriptchat -5:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @jeannevb Oh I've seen your #deskclutter and know you probably can't even find where you placed those damn cards. #scriptchat -5:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger same here RT @jeannevb: @zacsanford2 i havent tried either beat sheet or index cards, tho I bought hundreds haha #deskclutter #scriptchat -5:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jeannevb TY feel free to use #ScriptChat #scriptchat -5:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KageyNYC @JasonDalBianco What's your opinion (hehe, I already know but this will juice this topic) #scriptchat -5:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger @zacsanford2 I could never use a index card. I don't know why. Maybe it's just the way I write out the scenes. #scriptchat -5:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Welcome sir. At least I think you are a sir based on your avatar. RT @jmiewald: Showing up for #scriptchat :) #scriptchat -5:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco @zacsanford2 Ahhh! You were the one who rec'd that channel. I tried it and LOVED it. Great writing sounds. @KageyNYC #scriptchat -5:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @zacsanford2 i havent tried either beat sheet or index cards, tho I bought hundreds haha #deskclutter #scriptchat -5:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @yeah_write2 I read a sample beat sheet, was totally lost #scriptchat -5:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 I used to write on the fly, but then I had to do so much re-writing it became impossilbe to keep up with myself. #scriptchat -5:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @mediadivadesign Beat Sheets are basically your main story beats that happen over the course of the script. #scriptchat -5:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009 nopantsisland @jeannevb Beat sheets are good when you have a lot of ideas, but aren't confident of the order they should fall. #scriptchat -5:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger Ihave a couple notebooks filled with different scenes all involving the same storyline. Ipiece it together when I start to write #scriptchat -5:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jeannevb Been trying out phase outlining, making a list of scenes, usually I also write on the fly #scriptchat -5:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal Defining turning points in a script helps me with guideposts. #scriptchat #scriptchat -5:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jmiewald Showing up for #scriptchat :) -5:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 I used to never outline until I read "Habits of Highly Successful Screenwriters". #scriptchat -5:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb like that : ) RT @PennyAsh: #ScriptChat 3-act = Hook, Line, & Sinker #scriptchat -5:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @JasonDalBianco oh, thank GOD! xo heehee #scriptchat -5:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009 nopantsisland I never approach two projects the same way - different things seem to work for different scripts. #scriptchat -5:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mediadivadesign Can someone define a beat-sheet for a newbie? #scriptchat -5:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 When Im first coming up with an idea, I like the idea of a beat sheet and index cards. It allows me to move things around w/ease #scriptchat -5:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy #scriptchat three-act just makes life easier -5:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JakeAppleman Can't imagine not using an outline. #scriptchat -5:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KageyNYC RT @jeannevb: #scriptchat TOPIC: 3-act structure, turning points, outlining, beat sheet or write on the fly? Are non 3-act scripts salable? -5:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King #scriptchat I wrote an 11 page treatment outlining everythign in my story and found a natural 3 act structure, now just writing the script -5:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco Everyone can relax. I am here. #scriptchat -5:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 Beat sheet has saved me tons of wasted writing. I swear by it. #scriptchat -5:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Our previous outline was about 50 pages in FD including all the scene slugs and descriptions, so it just became fill in the dots #scriptchat -5:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh #ScriptChat 3-act = Hook, Line, & Sinker -5:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger I like to use the 3 act structure for the outline.But the majority of my writing comes on the fly. #scriptchat -5:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb i use 3 act structure, never tried beat sheet but do outline. Does anyone use beat sheets & r they helpful? #scriptchat -5:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 .@DJordanKnight and I are all about outlining the hell out of the script within the three act structure. #scriptchat -5:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork RT #scriptchat TOPIC: 3-act structure, turning points, outlining, beat sheet or write on the fly? Are non 3-act scripts salable? -5:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jeannevb I like 3-act, it's tidy #scriptchat -5:01 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb #scriptchat TOPIC: 3-act structure, turning points, outlining, beat sheet or write on the fly? Are non 3-act scripts salable? #scriptchat -5:01 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb just posted topic... btw, WELCOME #scriptchat -5:01 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford @jeannevb #scriptchat TOPIC: 3-act structure, turning points, outlining, beat sheet or write on the fly? Are non 3-act scripts salable? -5:01 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King @yeah_write2 G'day from Oz #scriptchat -5:01 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb just jump in. I'll try to keep u on topic for first 30 min... good luck to ME ha #scriptchat -5:01 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 Welcome everyone. Thanks for joining us. #scriptchat -5:00 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb #scriptchat TOPIC: 3-act structure, turning points, outlining, beat sheet or write on the fly? Are non 3-act scripts salable? -5:00 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @talented_boy It is really the brainchild of @jeannevb, @yeah_write & @kageyNYC. Somehow I was included in the #treefort :) #scriptchat -6:33 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 Wow, somehow I picked up five Britney Porn Bots during the chat tonight. #scriptchat -6:32 PM Nov 1st, 2009
talented_boy @zacsanford #scriptchat was fun, inspiring and i learned a lot...i'm glad you guys started it -6:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennyAsh #ScriptChat Alright, time to watch a movie and play writer for awhile -6:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jolenejahnke @zacsanford2 What's #NaNoWriMo? #scriptchat -6:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @zacsanford2 okeydokey #scriptchat -6:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeffige Do you hear that @thatkevinsmith. Depends on the head and a twitpic as a bonus! #scriptchat -6:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford Great #scriptchat tonight. Transcript can be found here http://bit.ly/185tzs or feel free to join us next week. -6:30 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @jeffige @jeannevb I do plan to produce my films and won't use money with artistic opinions attached. #scriptchat -6:30 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @JasonDalBianco Hopefully they'll renew tax code 181 because that's perfect for investors who don't want creative control. #scriptchat -6:30 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @JasonDalBianco PHEW!!!!! #scriptchat -6:30 PM Nov 1st, 2009
ttimechitchat @yeah_write2 @jeannevb & @zacsanford2 very informative conversation. Thanks! #scriptchat -6:29 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @jeffige cool beans : ) #scriptchat -6:29 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @jeannevb Uh, no. No romance with your sister. Thanks. #scriptchat -6:29 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @jeannevb ha ha. No need to strike it. Maybe my roommate can garner more business. :) #scriptchat -6:29 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeffige @jeannevb If he stops in - I'll post it for sure. #scriptchat -6:29 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @zacsanford2 I do plan to produce my films and won't use money with artistic opinions attached. #scriptchat -6:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb you guys are great... thank u for the support! Until next week.... #scriptchat -6:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 I think I shall sign off and jump into my #NaNoWriMo pages. #scriptchat -6:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009
yeah_write2 @jokeandbiagio Transcript here http://bit.ly/185tzs We meet Sundays at 8pm EST #scriptchat -6:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @zacsanford2 i'll leave it off the transcript feed, I PROMISE haha #scriptchat -6:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @JasonDalBianco ur having a romantic relationship w my sister? I just threw up in my mouth #scriptchat -6:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 ha ha. Can we strike my last message to @jeannevb from the archive :) #scriptchat -6:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @jeffige HAHAHA I want a twitpic of that! Maybe that's how we'll lure them... mwahahahAHAH #scriptchat -6:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009
UncompletedWork OK folks. I've met my #ScriptChat quota. Follow me if you want to chat more or check out my blog http://bit.ly/2NbPCg -6:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @KageyNYC Dialog would be great :) #scriptchat -6:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @jeannevb Hmm, my roommate bakes for a dispensary. Maybe I can lure Kevin with some weed laced treats. :) #scriptchat -6:26 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeffige RT RT RT@zacsanford2 @JasonDalBianco If you're producing and paying for your own films, you're free to be as anal as you want. #scriptchat -6:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb HAHA RT @zacsanford2: @JasonDalBianco If youre producing and paying for your own films, youre free to be as anal as you want. #scriptchat -6:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jokeandbiagio @JoannaDangelo Missed #scriptchat but will try to check it out next time. -6:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @jeannevb On a film or with any art, I am a control freak. In a romantic relationship I simply don't take any unjustified shit. #scriptchat -6:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009
KageyNYC Great idea! RT @zacsanford2: @jeannevb maybe we should do something on dialogue so @thatkevinsmith or @diablocody will stop by? #scriptchat -6:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @rachlanger i'll go to the hastag site in a bit & get it.... but plz leave ur feed up in case I cant get it to work #scriptchat -6:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeffige @jeannevb Hell - I'd even wear one on my head! #scriptchat -6:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009
ttimechitchat Studios make crappy films b/c they care about stars more than story. (via @jeannevb @zacsanford2) TV cares about ratings #scriptchat -6:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley love you all. thanks to @jeannevb and @zacsanford and all other organizers. early to bed early to procrastinate. #scriptchat -6:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @JasonDalBianco If you're producing and paying for your own films, you're free to be as anal as you want. #scriptchat -6:24 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @jeffige then we'll just have to pimp @thatkevinsmith & get him here. I'd love u in a Depends 4 the nxt #scriptchat haha -6:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009
UncompletedWork RT @JasonDalBianco: Not sure Kubrick would agree. #scriptchat To you I say http://bit.ly/2QDnLp -6:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009
KageyNYC Thanks all, another great #scriptchat! Goddnight, be well, write your asses off! -6:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @zacsanford2 I'll selectively collaborate. I refuse to collaborate on EVERYTHING. #scriptchat -6:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009
DJordanKnight @zacsanford2 Give me about fifteen and I'll catch up with you there. #scriptchat -6:22 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @rachlanger no matter if I'm writing or developing w/another writer, I do. You're not alone. #scriptchat -6:22 PM Nov 1st, 2009
davidspies RT @UncompletedWork you west coast #scriptchat people don't worry. #ScreenwriterKaraoke will be firing up on Dec in LA. http://bit.ly/3yA4CX -6:22 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JoannaDangelo @zacsanford2 thanks! just started following you ;) #scriptchat -6:22 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeffige zacsanford2 @jeannevb I think I'd wet myself if @thatkevinsmith stopped by. #scriptchat -6:22 PM Nov 1st, 2009
rachlanger @jeannevb Do you need me to copy-paste it like last time, or is there somewhere we can get it? #scriptchat -6:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @DJordanKnight thanks for coming! #scriptchat -6:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford RT @jeannevb: I'll be posting the transcript of tonight's chat on our OFFICIAL BLOG http://bit.ly/185tzs #scriptchat -6:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb RT @zacsanford2: Remember, if you want to follow me, follow my real account at @zacsanford for tweets from a development exec. #scriptchat -6:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @DJordanKnight I'm on Yahoo IM if you wanted to talk #scriptchat -6:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco Not sure Kubrick would agree. RT @mckormickastley: I totally disagree. Sorry. Vision is 1 thing. Collaboration is everything. #scriptchat -6:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009
rachlanger @zacsanford2 Hearing you say that makes me feel better about the overload of 2nd guessing I do, especially before meetings! #scriptchat -6:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 Remember, if you want to follow me, follow my real account at @zacsanford for tweets from a development exec. #scriptchat -6:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @vizionheiry i havent used beat sheets... yet.... but lots ppl tonight convinced me to try #scriptchat -6:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009
DJordanKnight It's been fun. See you all next week. #scriptchat -6:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @rachlanger support network is so good, things like script chat and any other place to hear the struggles of the world. #scriptchat -6:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009
UncompletedWork RT @jeannevb: I'll be posting the transcript of tonight's chat on our OFFICIAL BLOG http://scriptchat.blogspot.com/ #scriptchat -6:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @mckormickastley I will carefully compartmentalize what areas I collaborate on. I'll collaborate with actors. #scriptchat -6:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009
yeah_write2 Thanks Jeanne RT @jeannevb: Ill be posting the transcript of tonights chat on our OFFICIAL BLOG http://scriptchat.blogspot.com/ #scriptchat -6:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @jeannevb Hmm, maybe we should do something on dialogue so maybe @thatkevinsmith or @diablocody will stop by? #scriptchat -6:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @rachlanger u are SO welcome! I might need ur help w the transcript post haha #scriptchat -6:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JoannaDangelo @jeannevb I'm so excited! Love film but "developing" scripted TV project right now - first time as a writer. #scriptchat -6:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009
UncompletedWork RT @zacsanford2: @UncompletedWork Which place are you thinking for LA #screenwriterkaraoke? #scriptchat [DM'd you on ur main account] -6:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @jeannevb Love to see something on writing effects and something on comedy #scriptchat -6:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009
talented_boy #scriptchat thanks 4 all the words folks...def will be following many of u now...just trying 2 learn & get better...take care...till next wk -6:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009
cpedraza @JasonDalBianco Goal should be to tell a story to an audience. #Filmmaking is too technical a process for 1 person to do it all #scriptchat -6:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @rachlanger I swear my heart is going to give out one of these days with all the second guessing I do on my projects. #scriptchat -6:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb thank you all so much for joining the fun & helping each other learn #scriptchat -6:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @jeannevb 5 hours if I'm lucky. my kids are 4, 5 and 7 and my wife is a full time student and I work full time. #scriptchat -6:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009
yeah_write2 Look forward to this all week, and it goes by in a flash. #scriptchat -6:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009
rachlanger @jeannevb @zacsanford2 Thanks again for this! #scriptchat -6:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb I'll be posting the transcript of tonight's chat on our OFFICIAL BLOG http://scriptchat.blogspot.com/ #scriptchat -6:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009
Spitfire_King @etchie Thanks etchie, you should have joined the #scriptchat thingy -6:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeffige Thanks everyone. Enjoyed it much. #scriptchat -6:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JoannaDangelo @mckormickastley hmm can't find it online - only references - they must have closed shop - based in NYC. Terrific mag #scriptchat -6:18 PM Nov 1st, 2009
UncompletedWork RT @PennGates: @UncompletedWork Will #ScreenWriterKaraoke ever meet in Tucson? Phoenix? #ScriptChat [Perhaps one day, but likely not soon] -6:18 PM Nov 1st, 2009
rachlanger @mckormickastley @yeah_write2 @jeffige OK, glad its not just me then. Confidence is a tough sell some days. #scriptchat -6:18 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb PLZ, if any1 has suggestions for future topics, @ me ur ideas anytime #scriptchat -6:18 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @JasonDalBianco Best quote from the Dialogue series on DVD "Film is a collaborative medium... bend over." #scriptchat -6:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb Well, looks like time flew again and it's the formal end to #scriptchat -6:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennGates @UncompletedWork Will #ScreenWriterKaraoke ever meet in Tucson? Phoenix? #ScriptChat -6:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @mckormickastley how much writing do u get done in a given wk that way? #scriptchat -6:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @JasonDalBianco I totally disagree. Sorry. Vision is one thing. Collaboration is everything. #scriptchat -6:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mjreid @rachlanger CONSTANTLY second guessing. That's the hardest part to deal with - a good support network helps. #scriptchat -6:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 Thanks for stopping by. RT @Spitfire_King: #scriptchat Bugging out myself, enjoy guys #scriptchat -6:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @JasonDalBianco r u a control freak? #justwondering Maybe I shld warn my sister ha #scriptchat -6:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @UncompletedWork Which place are you thinking for LA #screenwriterkaraoke? #scriptchat -6:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @taravictoria Yeah, there is no hope keeping up. Gonna try to come back later when I have time and can read through. #scriptchat -6:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009
Spitfire_King #scriptchat Bugging out myself, enjoy guys -6:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @rachlanger It happened in one day. Wrote from 5am to 7am. Felt the world was my oyster. 8 hours later had a knife at my wrist. #scriptchat -6:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb so sad *sigh* RT @zacsanford2Thats why studios make crappy films. They care more about who stars in them than the story. #scriptchat -6:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @talented_boy haha #scriptchat -6:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @cpedraza If I was a quarterback, I'd just run the ball in for a touchdown every time. Want the job done right? Do it yourself. #scriptchat -6:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009
yeah_write2 Try daily. RT @rachlanger: ask if other writers have second guessing meltdowns often? #scriptchat -6:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennGates @rachlanger I do have the occasional 2nd guessing meltdowns. I hate it when I have to rewrite a script to see if I'm right! #ScriptChat -6:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009
blackrugger I like it. haha RT @zacsanford2: .@blackrugger Break a keyboard... is that the proper thing to say to a writer? #scriptchat -6:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009
UncompletedWork RT @mckormickastley: @UncompletedWork NY Only right now right? #scriptchat [For November. There will be one in LA in Dec.] -6:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009
talented_boy @jeannevb one of my scripts is called 'greener pastures' lol #scriptchat -6:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @jeannevb LOL got a couple shorts that would make wonderful comedy movies :) #scriptchat -6:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeffige @rachlanger Every time a finger hits a key. #scriptchat -6:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @cpedraza The WHOLE goal is to get the images in my mind onto the screen. Why would I have somebody else point the cameras? #scriptchat -6:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @UncompletedWork NY Only right now right? #scriptchat -6:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009
yeah_write2 Hour is over drift as much as you want. #scriptchat -6:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 .@blackrugger Break a keyboard... is that the proper thing to say to a writer? #scriptchat -6:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @cpedraza I am not a quarterback, I am a filmmaker. It's a very different game. #scriptchat -6:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JoannaDangelo @jokeandbiagio did you know about #scriptchat going on right now? very cool. log onto tweet chat so you can follow along and post ;) -6:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @PennyAsh the grass is always greener haha #scriptchat -6:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @JoannaDangelo do you have a url for that? (scenario) #scriptchat -6:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009
blackrugger alright peeps all this talking has gotten me excited to finish Tristan. Ciao #scriptchat -6:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009
rachlanger Since its after our hour, might I stray from the topic and ask if other writers have second guessing meltdowns often? #scriptchat -6:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009
Spitfire_King #scriptchat why do I get the feeling that the majority of professional writers that were watching have bugged out because of topic drift -6:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennyAsh #ScriptChat Dang just had another idea :) I love nights like this -6:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco Affirmative. *tosses rolo to Jeanne* RT @jeannevb: @mckormickastley oh yes, @jasondalbianco is all man ha #scriptchat -6:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @JoannaDangelo yes, every week. This is only our second #scriptchat -6:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009
DJordanKnight are there any pulitzer books have been made into movies, that did not also have a big name attached? #scriptchat -6:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 So I think we're sort of puttering out here. So a #scriptchat free-for-all? #scriptchat -6:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @mckormickastley @jasondalbianco @jeffige hahaha #scriptchat -6:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @mckormickastley I have many answers, but I still have to deal with all those in the world without a clue. It's rough. #scriptchat -6:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009
UncompletedWork Wondering what #screenwriterkaraoke is? A way to meet fellow writers/filmmakers in a casual setting. Pics: http://bit.ly/2Rm93L #ScriptChat -6:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @jeannevb I envy the ones who are organized and know what they're doing :) #scriptchat -6:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @UncompletedWork I don't discuss the chemical composition of the paper I print the script on. #scriptchat -6:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @yeah_write2 Love in the time of Cholera anybody? #scriptchat -6:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009
blackrugger @yeah_write2 will do. #scriptchat -6:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009
taravictoria @JasonDalBianco I did! Very late though and very behind on the feed! #scriptchat -6:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JoannaDangelo @jeannevb LOL me too ;) #scriptchat great to meet you guys! Is this every week? -6:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 Ah, "At Last" is on in Starbucks. Makes me sad we didn't end up producing Cadillac Records w/Sony. #scriptchat -6:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeffige is a procrastinator! #scriptchat -6:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @yeah_write2 heehee #shamelesspimp #scriptchat -6:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @UncompletedWork If it does not have to be forced, why bother talking about it at all? #scriptchat -6:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 Huh? What? :) RT @yeah_write2: Hint, Hint. :) RT @jeannevb: @zacsanford2 what if the book won the pulitzer? #scriptchat -6:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennyAsh Getting ready to read Screenplay tomorrow I expect I will have to juggle nano & the script #ScriptChat -6:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @UncompletedWork I saw the pictures. wished I was there. #scriptchat -6:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @JoannaDangelo i am so about lazy ha #scriptchat -6:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @jeannevb with an actual paying job and 3 kids and a wife, it's up at 5am or there is no writing for me #scriptchat -6:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009
blackrugger @UncompletedWork I'm going to roadtrip up there one day. #scriptchat -6:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009
yeah_write2 @blackrugger DM me your email and I'll send you one later. #scriptchat -6:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009
Spitfire_King #scriptchat writing is aiming to elicit emotion but in a logical way, writing attracts emotional people who are illogical and reactive -6:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @jeannevb we have a pulitzer prize winning article, but it is about a female native american indian. Great article, not comm. #scriptchat -6:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009
yeah_write2 Hint, Hint. :) RT @jeannevb: @zacsanford2 what if the book won the pulitzer? #scriptchat -6:09 PM Nov 1st, 2009
cpedraza @JasonDalBianco That's like saying, "I don't know how a quarterback could turn over so much to a runningback." #scriptchat -6:09 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @PennyAsh i envy those writers who can just fly w out limits *bow* #scriptchat -6:09 PM Nov 1st, 2009
UncompletedWork And you west coast #scriptchat people don't worry. #ScreenwriterKaraoke will be firing up on December in LA. http://bit.ly/3yA4CX -6:09 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeffige @jeannevb @mckormickastley oh yes, @jasondalbianco ROTFLMAO! #scriptchat -6:09 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco Oh cool! @taravictoria showed up to #scriptchat ? Sweet! -6:09 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JoannaDangelo @jeannevb great! I'll be lazy like George Costanza and watch the movie instead **g** #scriptchat -6:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009
UncompletedWork OH! ALMOST FORGOT! This Wed NOV 4th is #ScreenwriterKaraoke in NYC http://bit.ly/3yA4CX Come out drink, sing and network #scriptchat -6:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009
blackrugger maybe I'll try out this beat sheet. Gotta find some good examples though. #scriptchat -6:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 re: my last tweet. That's why studios make crappy films. They care more about who stars in them than the story. #scriptchat -6:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @zacsanford2 what if the book won the pulitzer? #scriptchat -6:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @mckormickastley oh yes, @jasondalbianco is all man ha #scriptchat -6:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @cpedraza I can't comprehend how a director would turn over so much to a cinematographer. #scriptchat -6:07 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JoannaDangelo @mckormickastley yeah I have a bunch ;D I used to subscribe to Scenario #scriptchat -6:07 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @MonicaEmme see u at #writechat : ) xo #scriptchat -6:07 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @JoannaDangelo Michael Hauge also has a GREAT video http://bit.ly/vHkPq #scriptchat -6:07 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @JasonDalBianco you have an answer for everything. living the dream you are. #scriptchat -6:07 PM Nov 1st, 2009
yeah_write2 I also write out my beats, and act structure in long hand. #scriptchat -6:07 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @cpedraza Understood. However, I'd rather divide the labor in other ways. #scriptchat -6:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 From an Exec: "We don't care how many copies the book sold, if you can get *actor* attached, we'll give you the greenlight." #scriptchat -6:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JoannaDangelo @zacsanford2 great thanks! I'll pick them up. ;) #scriptchat -6:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @nopantsisland haha #scriptchat -6:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennGates @zacsanford2 I have all Syd Fields books, & his workshop on DVD. Very good! #ScriptChat -6:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco .@mckormickastley If there is anything worse than 3 act structure and rules, it's a nagging woman. Won't tolerate that either. #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
yeah_write2 I write out all of my notes in longhand. I don't know why. #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @zacsanford2 i see many great indy films at festivals that will unfortunately never make the $ of the crap that some studios do #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @JoannaDangelo also, read a shit tonne of screenplays. Good ones, bad ones, every ones. #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
nopantsisland Out for now. Great chat folks! Keep writing! #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JoannaDangelo @jeannevb thanks! :) #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
screamtweets RT @wcmartell: My daily Script Tip: www.ScriptSecrets.Net - Great talking with everyone, I'm going to dinner. #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
UncompletedWork @JasonDalBianco intuitive storytelling can be sliced easily in 3 acts. Not, that u have to force something to happen on pg 14 #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @Spitfire_King That's a thought,, might give a character timeline a shot #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
MonicaEmme @jeannevb Sure will. #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @zacsanford2 i also think bad films get made bc there must b some sort of profitability potential in them even if they suck #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @JoannaDangelo as a beginner check out "Screenplay" by Syd Field, "Story" by Robert McKee and "Save the Cat" by @blake_snyder #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @zacsanford2 surprise guests are the best guests!!! thanks again @wcmartell #scriptchat -6:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JoannaDangelo @mckormickastley thanks! I'll check them out ;) #scriptchat -6:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009
blackrugger @wcmartell Ciao #scriptchat -6:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009
nopantsisland @jeannevb @blackrugger Agreed! My carpal nerve crapped out years ago. I'm lucky if I can sign my own name. #scriptchat -6:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley RT @wcmartell: daily Script Tip: ScriptSecrets.Net - Great talking with everyone, Im going 2 dinner [thanks for stopping by!] #scriptchat -6:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 Thanks @wcmartell for stopping by. Two weeks in a row with produced screenwriters. Who will be our guest next week? #scriptchat -6:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @JoannaDangelo also book by Syd Field #scriptchat -6:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009
blackrugger @jeannevb oh yeah, it makes things easier for me. Plus I can write whenever and where ever I want. #scriptchat -6:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009
yeah_write2 @wcmartell Thanks for joining us. #scriptchat -6:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009
DJordanKnight @wcmartell thanks for coming by -- good to see you here! #scriptchat -6:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009
dawnbierschwal Must join my kids for the 3rd Act of their day. It's been a pleasure fellow screenwriters. Until next week... #scriptchat -6:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @JoannaDangelo loved Inside Story by Dara Marks but i'd read after some writing experience. Save the Cat by Blake Snyder 2 start #scriptchat -6:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009
talented_boy @blackrugger really? i gotta use my computer cause thoughts come to me faster than i write lol i'm always for typing #scriptchat -6:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JoannaDangelo @zacsanford2 beginner #scriptchat -6:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 How do bad movies get made? Too many cooks in the kitchen. Dev notes come from assts, producers, directors, stars, studio execs #scriptchat -6:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @JoannaDangelo I'm reading "What Just Happened" and "Which Lie Did I Tell", not really screenwriting, but all about the business #scriptchat -6:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @jeannevb :) for me the story is the thing, just like some need to be 1st person, some need to be 3rd. I let the story tell me #scriptchat -6:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @JoannaDangelo Depends on where you're at in your screenwriting career? Beginner, novice, pro? #scriptchat -6:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009
wcmartell My daily Script Tip: www.ScriptSecrets.Net - Great talking with everyone, I'm going to dinner. #scriptchat -6:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009
taravictoria The more detailed my bio's are the better/easier my writing is. I think I'm crazy cause I start hearing char. voices lol #scriptchat -6:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @MonicaEmme pls come back another Sunday : ) Thanks for trying us out! #scriptchat -6:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009
yeah_write2 I used to hate this part because I had 1 & 3 figured out not 2 RT @wcmartell: Act 2 is my favorite part - the conflict act! #scriptchat -6:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009
Spitfire_King Another tip a mate of mine uses (who was Oscar shortlisted) is to write detailed character timelines, and build story from there #scriptchat -6:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mjreid Reading is excellent, yes, but the best way to learn is to WRITE. #scriptchat -6:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @UncompletedWork Don't care if C. Kaufman's work is 3 act or not. Not the point. Point is he does not force things into 3 acts. #scriptchat -6:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @blackrugger u write it out longhand? I cant imagine. My brain works so much faster than my handwriting #scriptchat -6:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009
talented_boy with all these things people look for in scripts, how in the entire hell do bad movies with bad scripts continue to get made? #scriptchat -6:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009
cpedraza @JasonDalBianco There's a reason for division of labor. No one can do it all. You hv to trust someone else's artistic vision too #scriptchat -6:01 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JoannaDangelo This was prob already asked but recommendations on best books about screenwriting? #scriptchat #scriptchat -6:01 PM Nov 1st, 2009
blackrugger Agreed RT @wcmartell: Act 2 is my favorite part - the conflict act! #scriptchat -6:01 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 Thnx for stopping by. RT @MonicaEmme: Think this is out of element. Maybe Ill visit again another day. :) #scriptchat -6:01 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @PennyAsh i love the freedom of ur writing style : ) #scriptchat -6:00 PM Nov 1st, 2009
blackrugger @yeah_write2 I find it easier to write my screenplay out. Only use the computer when I want to put it on FD. #scriptchat -6:00 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @Spitfire_King for me it's at the halfway mark, the trigger to escalate the 2nd act and bring it on. #scriptchat -6:00 PM Nov 1st, 2009
MonicaEmme Think this is out of element. Maybe I'll visit again another day. :) #scriptchat -6:00 PM Nov 1st, 2009
KennyWhisperz Thanks for the hookup script collector. I agree the best way to learn is to read. #scriptchat -6:00 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @JasonDalBianco do you have to sell your days and nights away to your spouse? :) #scriptchat -5:59 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @zacsanford2 No need to sell idea to cinematographer cause I am going to handle those duties as well. #scriptchat -5:59 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @zacsanford2 I always do detailed char bios first, that way I know not only what action has to take place, but how 2 dev char #scriptchat -5:59 PM Nov 1st, 2009
cmhoughton @UncompletedWork I remember when Smallville switched from 4 acts, it wasn't pretty. Hope they don't switch to 6. #scriptchat -5:59 PM Nov 1st, 2009
wcmartell Act 2 is my favorite part - the conflict act! #scriptchat -5:59 PM Nov 1st, 2009
taravictoria I've tried writing w/o an outline/beat sheet and it just ended up being a jumbled mess. Bio's are really helpful for me too. #scriptchat -5:59 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @cpedraza Yep, only bios and one of his scripts was one of the better unproduced scripts I've read ever. #scriptchat -5:59 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco I am going to have to catch up with this convo later. Way too many tweets to address immediately, expect delayed responses. #scriptchat -5:59 PM Nov 1st, 2009
wcmartell Pacing is critical - I have Script Tips about it - you need to keep things happening and getting worse. #scriptchat -5:59 PM Nov 1st, 2009
Spitfire_King To the succesful writers who have joined us at #scriptchat At what point in your 3 act structure do you like to inject the chaos event? -5:59 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @jeannevb Does it count if I write my books that way? the outline is a nano experiment :) #scriptchat -5:58 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco .@mckormickastley @JasonDalBianco No need to sell idea to cinematographer cause I am going to handle those duties as well. #scriptchat -5:58 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 in this economic climate, yes. RT @JasonDalBianco: @zacsanford2 Easier to sell something on a screen than on a page. #scriptchat -5:58 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @mckormickastley yes 2nd act is what kills us all... #scriptchat -5:58 PM Nov 1st, 2009
cpedraza @zacsanford2 You mean they just do bios? No outline or treatment? In my experience that only leads to doom :) #scriptchat -5:58 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennGates @jeannevb That's how I wrote my 1st one, just dove in and then I learned about the 3 act structure. #ScriptChat -5:58 PM Nov 1st, 2009
yeah_write2 It wouldn't matter if u wrote ur script out in longhand on a tablet, as long as u write it. MM FD are 4 when u can to pitch/sell #scriptchat -5:58 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @jeffige hoping that's what i'm doing w this script... very grim & pushes every emotion until ur raw #scriptchat -5:57 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @mediadivadesign Well the boy loses girl is the last half of the second act, and it is him coping w/life alone for act 3. #scriptchat -5:57 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @jeffige haha... I'd be so into that style #scriptchat -5:57 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mckormickastley @jeannevb i've tried it, but then there is the issue of the 2nd act cesspool of isolation & desolation "But act 1 was so great!" #scriptchat -5:57 PM Nov 1st, 2009
JasonDalBianco @zacsanford2 Easier to sell something on a screen than on a page. #scriptchat -5:57 PM Nov 1st, 2009
tylerweaver @jeannevb I go back and forth depending on the project. Current proj. - major outlining. Other proj. - just letting it rip. #scriptchat. -5:57 PM Nov 1st, 2009
wcmartell I tried no outline, it was a mess, I outlined and finished. Most scripts fail because they are not precise. #scriptchat -5:57 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @wcmartell I agree. Cant change the industry standard #scriptchat -5:57 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 RT @wcmartell: when you sell a script, its all about 3 acts. Notes, meetings. Its been 3 acts for 2,400 years. Not changing. #scriptchat -5:57 PM Nov 1st, 2009
taravictoria Oh, awesome! :) RT @jeannevb: @taravictoria we post a transcript, so u NEVER have to be without us : ) #scriptchat -5:56 PM Nov 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @jeannevb @jeffige Grab em and take em on a rollercoaster ride :) #scriptchat -5:56 PM Nov 1st, 2009
zacsanford2 @jeannevb I know a couple that will write detailed character bios and then jump into the story. #scriptchat -5:56 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb YES! Everyone shld follow @scriptcollector & get scripts & read, read, READ! #scriptchat -5:56 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeffige @jeannevb I've read "the 1st pg grab 'em by throat - squeeze a bit harder every page after. #scriptchat -5:56 PM Nov 1st, 2009
UncompletedWork @cmhoughton TV is another beast, since you have Teasers, Act outs, and tags. Network VS HBO. 22 min VS 1hr Perhaps for another #scriptchat -5:56 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mediadivadesign @zacsanford2 haha I knew you'd turn that into a 3 act #scriptchat -5:56 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb @cpedraza interesting. I havent tried FB, just MM. Glad ur happy w the switch #scriptchat -5:56 PM Nov 1st, 2009
wcmartell Here's the thing - when you sell a script, it's all about 3 acts. Notes, meetings. It's been 3 acts for 2,400 years. Not changin #scriptchat -5:55 PM Nov 1st, 2009
dawnbierschwal I think it also followed 3 Acts. RT @mediadivadesign: @zacsanford2 (500) Days of Summer is currently at $32 million #scriptchat -5:55 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jeannevb i might have missed it, but i havent seen anyone say they just write w/o either outline or beat sheet #scriptchat -5:55 PM Nov 1st, 2009
jolenejahnke @KennyWhisperz HEY KENDALL, glad you could join us! #scriptchat -5:55 PM Nov 1st, 2009
mjreid The big upside to Celtx is it's an easy comrpomise for peeps I'm collaborating with (one uses FD, one MM, zealot-wise) #scriptchat -5:55 PM Nov 1st, 2009
blackrugger <3 that movie. Maybe because I adore Zooey D RT @mediadivadesign: @zacsanford2 (500) Days of Summer is currently at $32 million #scriptchat -5:55 PM Nov 1st, 2009 scriptcollector Reading scripts is the best way to improve. Visit scriptcollector.blogspot.com & follow me for new scripts everyday. #scriptchat -5:55 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Boy meets girl, boy falls in love, boy loses girl. RT @mediadivadesign: @zacsanford2 (500) Days of Summer is currently at $32M #scriptchat -5:55 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King RT zacsanford2 But remember, you'll have to sell the films you directed to a distributor. So you're still selling it :) #scriptchat -5:55 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @taravictoria we post a transcript, so u NEVER have to be without us : ) #scriptchat -5:54 PM Nov 1st, 2009 cpedraza I started out with MM then switched to FD. I like FD better. Fewer technical indiosyncrasies. #scriptchat -5:54 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley RT @mjreid: @mckormickastley Pixar movies are among the best structured movies ever. Without exception. [totally agree] #scriptchat -5:54 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KennyWhisperz Ok I think I'm in. (That's what he said) #scriptchat -5:54 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb RT @zacsanford2: @JasonDalBianco remember, youll have to sell the films you directed to a distributor. So ur still selling it :) #scriptchat -5:54 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley @zacsanford2 @JasonDalBianco it's all a game, no matter what. you've got to sell your visual idea to the cinematographer too. #scriptchat -5:54 PM Nov 1st, 2009 taravictoria Thanks me too! I was sad I missed last week's! :( RT @jeannevb: @taravictoria so glad u came : ) #scriptchat -5:54 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King #scriptchat as per usual, writers who want to B professional writers fall into trap of talking about how their view is better than anothers -5:53 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mediadivadesign @zacsanford2 (500) Days of Summer is currently at $32 million #scriptchat -5:53 PM Nov 1st, 2009 taravictoria @jeannevb I was taught how to do them in my screenwriting class and they're wonderful. Esp. because I'm an organization freak #scriptchat -5:53 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell I also start on page one... sentence one. #scriptchat -5:53 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mjreid @mckormickastley Pixar movies are among the best structured movies ever. Without exception. #scriptchat -5:53 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @jeffige i agree... page 1.. grab & dont let em go #scriptchat -5:53 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley @zacsanford2 it's tricky, because a real 3-act evangelist can make any movie fit the mold after the fact. #scriptchat -5:53 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @taravictoria so glad u came : ) #scriptchat -5:53 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @JasonDalBianco But remember, you'll have to sell the films you directed to a distributor. So you're still selling it :) #scriptchat -5:52 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @zacsanford2 no shit haha... but in working w a partner, i set the #1 rule that project comes first #scriptchat -5:52 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @dawnbierschwal Amen! RT @wcmartell: You need to grab the reader in 10 pages - no matter what genre. I try for the 1st page #scriptchat -5:52 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jmiewald Using Celtx right now or will be once I get started #scriptchat -5:52 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley RT @yeah_write2: @taravictoria Welcome to the junble #scriptchat -5:52 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell Doesn't matter what the program is - these are tools. You have to have a great story, well told. #scriptchat -5:52 PM Nov 1st, 2009 taravictoria @yeah_write2 Hi! *waves* Figured I'd join in.. better late than never! #scriptchat -5:52 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @taravictoria i HAVE to try them. U all seem so excited about the beat sheet angle! See, I'm learning at #scriptchat - haha -5:52 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Anyone? Can someone name a film in the past 5 years that made more than $25M that didn't use the 3 act structure? #scriptchat -5:51 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco Remember, I have ZERO desire to sell my scripts. I will direct my own stuff. All will be convinced when they see the screen. #scriptchat -5:51 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 Understood. RT @wcmartell: @yeah write2 - I refuse to answer as it might screw up my life. Lets just say I use MM. #scriptchat -5:51 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mjreid I've been using Celtx, but like FD - haven't tried MM enough to have an opinion. #scriptchat -5:51 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell It's not up to the execs, it's up to the audience. If the audience pays to see Kate Beckinsale, they make movies that star her. #scriptchat -5:51 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @jmiewald not sure, I cant see what source ppl r tweeting fr on tweetchat #scriptchat -5:51 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley @mjreid That (and monsters inc.) is one of the best structured (and well told) stories ever. #scriptchat -5:51 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @mckormickastley @jeffige I'd take 1% as a start. Heard that check it out! #scriptchat -5:50 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 @taravictoria Welcome #scriptchat -5:50 PM Nov 1st, 2009 cmhoughton @UncompletedWork I know the V Pilot was six acts, have any older shows switched from five? #scriptchat -5:50 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork RT @wcmartell You need to grab the reader in 10 pages no matter what genre. #scriptchat [Hell, I know in far less than 10 pages if it works] -5:50 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 You're not alone, but you'll want FD or MM if you sell it for budget/scheduling. RT @jmiewald: Am I the only one using Celtx? #scriptchat -5:50 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal Amen! RT @wcmartell: You need to grab the reader in 10 pages - no matter what genre. #scriptchat -5:50 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley @jmiewald Nope. I love Celtx. LOVE IT! #scriptchat -5:50 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb I hear ppl talking about MM and FD... to bring it back to structure, an fyi is Michael Hauge has a free structure template w MM #scriptchat -5:50 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell @yeah write2 - I refuse to answer as it might screw up my life. Let's just say I use MM. #scriptchat -5:50 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @talented_boy In a way, yes. I could explain more in 140 characters so shoot my @zacsanford a DM w/your email. #scriptchat -5:49 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley @jeffige I'd take 1% as a start. #scriptchat -5:49 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal @zacsanford2 Or as one Development Executive has told us "There is no estrogen in this company" #scriptchat -5:49 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mediadivadesign re: gender/race: it seems those white males have only figured out Meryl Streep and Sex and the City are sure bets #scriptchat -5:49 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mjreid @UncompletedWork From one POV, The Incredibles has an 8 part structure, 8 major sequences, two main parts #scriptchat -5:49 PM Nov 1st, 2009 taravictoria @jeannevb Hey know Im late on this but I use beat sheets and they are SO great. I was skeptical at first but now I always use it #scriptchat -5:49 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @Spitfire_King if the story allows, I love a killer opening scene #scriptchat -5:49 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco .@jeffige "Act" is never considered. I simply write what I want to see on screen then build around it to have it make sense. #scriptchat -5:49 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell You need to grab the reader in 10 pages - no matter what genre. #scriptchat -5:49 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jmiewald Am I the only one using Celtx? #scriptchat -5:49 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Hollywood is full of egos :) RT @jeannevb: ...being flexible & working as a team but must put project first, not egos #scriptchat -5:48 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @wcmartell Hope to get it next royalty payment :D #scriptchat -5:48 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @rachlanger @wcmartell Can't remember who But a writer once said 30% of what I write winds up on film! #scriptchat -5:48 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal Apologies. Quote I attributed to Dara Marks earlier is from Alexander Pope. In Dara Marks' book "Inside Story" #scriptchat -5:48 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 @wcmartell Have you used Final Draft and like MM better? #scriptchat -5:48 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King RT Thank you! @yeah_write2: I hope to have that chance to "sell out." #scriptchat -5:48 PM Nov 1st, 2009 nopantsisland @wcmartell Exactly! Collaborative effort between writers, producers, network executives. If you can't work with others... #scriptchat -5:48 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley I'm currently reading "What Just Happened" http://bit.ly/4a03Hg A must read for anybody in this game. #scriptchat -5:48 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 I think the problem w/gender & race... most of the execs are white males who don't know how to sale to women or other races. #scriptchat -5:48 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy @zacsanford2 w/ Sugar, they feel like the story itself won't sell so the name of the actor will have to do the selling? #scriptchat -5:47 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell There's a middle ground when you are writing - when you are in control. My thing is to write personal AND commercial. #scriptchat -5:47 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger @wcmartell Oh, I use Final Draft. #scriptchat -5:47 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @wcmartell SO true! Its all about compromise, being flexible & working as a team but must put project first, not egos #scriptchat -5:47 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @wcmartell I use it & I love it! #scriptchat -5:47 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork Since talking structure. I'll throw out 8 sequence story structure. I don't write w/ 8 parts in mind. Feels overly complicated #scriptchat -5:47 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King #scriptchat As part of the 3 act debate, do you prefer to open with a killer scene before developing up to 1st turning point or slow build? -5:47 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco I am so far behind this convo it's disgusting. Trying to find a service that will let me scroll that far down. #scriptchat -5:47 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh RT @yeah_write2: I hope to have that chance to "sell out." #scriptchat Me too :D -5:47 PM Nov 1st, 2009 rachlanger RT @wcmartell: Problem is - screenwriting requires all kinds of other people. If you dont want to compromise, do something else. #scriptchat -5:47 PM Nov 1st, 2009 nopantsisland The term "selling out" is really misleading. Either you're a writer, or you're not. If you're a writer, then write as required. #scriptchat -5:46 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley @mjreid & if you're new to the game, i think the 3 act structure is your only choice. don't question it until you've mastered it #scriptchat -5:46 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger Me too RT @yeah_write2: I hope to have that chance to "sell out." #scriptchat -5:46 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb haha RT @yeah_write2: I hope to have that chance to "sell out." #scriptchat -5:46 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell Movie Magic Screenwriter - Oscar winning screenwriting software. #scriptchat -5:46 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal Ditto!!! RT @yeah_write2: I hope to have that chance to "sell out." #scriptchat -5:46 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell Problem is - screenwriting requires all kinds of other people. If you don't want to compromise, do something else. #scriptchat -5:45 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Depending on genre & budget. RT @KageyNYC: @zacsanford2 re: answer to ethnicity question, thanks for honesty - same w/gender? #scriptchat -5:45 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @talented_boy No problem, always happy to help #scriptchat -5:45 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @mckormickastley i opened it on my laptop & will watch later... thanks! #scriptchat -5:45 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @DJordanKnight They are worth telling, a good story is always worth telling #scriptchat -5:45 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco I type in proper format cuz I need actors & crew & see my plan & want 2 come on board. Keep moving if you insist on 3 acts. #scriptchat -5:45 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 I hope to have that chance to "sell out." #scriptchat -5:45 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy @PennyAsh thanks, i appreciate that...i just finished a rewrite that culd raise those type of questions, that's y i was curious #scriptchat -5:45 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @DJordanKnight I wld like to think ANY story is worth writing if its engaging regardless of race... #scriptchat -5:45 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jmiewald Yeah, "selling out" is more like if you got a 9-5 job for money and gave up on your talent. #scriptchat -5:45 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger @wcmartell what is MM? #scriptchat -5:44 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @JasonDalBianco so do you write in 4 act or 5 or just don't use structure at all? #scriptchat -5:44 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KageyNYC @zacsanford2 re: answer to ethnicity question, thanks for honesty - same w/gender? #scriptchat -5:44 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 I did but dropped out when my film was banned :) RT @jmiewald: Has anyone gone to college for screenwriting? #scriptchat -5:44 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley @jeannevb seriously. I mentioned it last week, but it was such an enlightening interview. Can't say it enough. #scriptchat -5:44 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JakeAppleman If I write a script Called Wag the Dog 2 about A-Rod in a celebrity relationship with Penny Lane, people will hate it right? #scriptchat -5:44 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb "selling out" is a tough one. As much as i want to be produced, I want to be proud of my work, not feel like I compromised for $ #scriptchat -5:44 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mjreid IMO 3 act structure is a tool (albeit a very useful one) that helps you tell your story. #scriptchat -5:44 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal True ease in writing comes from art, not chance, as those move easier who have learned to dance. - Dara Marks #scriptchat -5:44 PM Nov 1st, 2009 rachlanger @jmiewald I took it as part of my film school package. #scriptchat -5:44 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell I use MM, but used a modified beat sheet broken into 5 page/min segments for pacing. One ruled paper. #scriptchat -5:43 PM Nov 1st, 2009 DJordanKnight But what if ethnicity is key to the story? Are these not stories worth writing, or are they just marketed differently? #scriptchat -5:43 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jolenejahnke RT @indpnt1 We feel closure as an audience when a story concludes in 3 acts. But nice to be out of the comfort zone on occasion #scriptchat -5:43 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 RT @wcmartell: I learned screenwriting before books, from Billy Wilder... who created in 3 acts. So do I. #scriptchat -5:43 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb btw, dont worry if ur missing the fast stream of tweets, I'll post a transcript so u can get a full read #scriptchat -5:43 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @wcmartell same with my books, I have vague descriptions & let the reader fill in #scriptchat -5:43 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 RT @wcmartell: I learned screenwriting before books, from Billy Wilder... who created in 3 acts. So do I. #scriptchat -5:43 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jmiewald Has anyone gone to college for screenwriting? #scriptchat -5:43 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King #scriptchat I'm over the "selling out" crap, I want to work in the biz, not sit back and claim authority from a backwater 9-5 job -5:43 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @talented_boy No prob. Like I said w/Sugar they want Will or Jamie Fox only. Will already did boxing & Jamie did a biopic rcntly #scriptchat -5:42 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennGates @jeannevb I never became proficient at using "real" index cards. :/ #ScriptChat -5:42 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KageyNYC @talented_boy re: ethnicity - I'm falling behind on tweets so PLS if some1 answers, share w/me - I'd love 2 know that answer #scriptchat -5:42 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 @zacsanford2 When I watched BRICK after reading the screenplay I was surprised at casting. Not ethnicity in script #scriptchat -5:42 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb RT @mckormickastley: @mjreid listen to The Dialogue interview w/ QT about IB. Awesome. http://bit.ly/4Crq4B #scriptchat -5:42 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JoQatana @UncompletedWork just as its difficult for anyone to understand why actors DO work for free #scriptchat -5:42 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @talented_boy Put the story first and be honest, everything else will fall in place #scriptchat -5:42 PM Nov 1st, 2009 rachlanger @mjreid I see where you're coming from, but I don't really see that as beg mid & end. Maybe the concept is in my blind spot. #scriptchat -5:42 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell ... African American leads, female leads, whoever gets cast. I just want the best actor. #scriptchat -5:42 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennGates Any opinions on Syd Fields books on screenwriting and workshops? #ScriptChat -5:42 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @talented_boy Exactly. I edited one of the best IR romance writers out there, story always came first #scriptchat -5:41 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley @mjreid listen to The Dialogue interview w/ QT about IB. Awesome. http://bit.ly/4Crq4B #scriptchat -5:41 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @PennGates I use MM, but there is an index card feature, just havent tried it... that wld keep my desk neater, i guess haha #ScriptChat -5:41 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork .@talented_boy If script takes place in Japan & u confuse Japanese culture w/ Chinese, or get social things wrong. I'll ding ya #scriptchat -5:41 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell I do not cast my movies - I have no idea who will play the roles or what they will look like. I've had Asian-American leads... #scriptchat -5:41 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy @zacsanford2 i definitely appreciate your honesty #scriptchat -5:41 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @talented_boy Not to me but first thing I looked at was the story, was it good, then was the ethnicity realistic #scriptchat -5:40 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell I learned screenwriting before books, from Billy Wilder... who created in 3 acts. So do I. #scriptchat -5:40 PM Nov 1st, 2009 rachlanger Good to know, I can envision, but not set. RT @zacsanford2: Every script Ive written Ive never put race in the character descr. #scriptchat -5:40 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @talented_boy but it must be thought of. We have a script for Sugar Ray Robinson, but no studio wants to make it because of cast #scriptchat -5:40 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mjreid @mjreid 1: Vince saves Mia from overdose. 2: Butch saves Marcellus from rape 3: Mr. Wolf saves Vince and Jules #scriptchat -5:40 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy @PennyAsh @UncompletedWork i strive 4 non-stereotypical...just always wary of the line between stereotypes and realism, ya know? #scriptchat -5:40 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King Sorry all my follwers being bombarded by #scriptchat talk, I should have made a second account -5:40 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennGates @jeannevb The index cards I use are built into FD. They're easy to move, click & drag. Really helps with making changes. #ScriptChat -5:40 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork .@KageyNYC YES! Writing is a commodity. Not something free. It's hard for non-writers to understand this from time to time #ScriptChat -5:39 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @talented_boy At my company I'll read it without hindering my judgment. To me it is all about the story and not the race. #scriptchat -5:39 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger @wcmartell so when you're writing a character you keep the ethnicity open? #scriptchat -5:39 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @zacsanford2 i agree about casting, but i'm writing a slave story... hard not to #scriptchat -5:39 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco Can't deny the presence of shit on my boot either, doesn't mean I embrace it. RT @jeffige: But you can not deny its presence. #scriptchat -5:39 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Every script I've written I've never put race in the character description. I'll let casting decide that. #scriptchat -5:39 PM Nov 1st, 2009 rachlanger @jeannevb *blush* ain't no thang. #scriptchat -5:39 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mjreid @rachlanger I'd say so - the story's structured thematically as opposed to chronologically, around the theme of "saving" #scriptchat -5:38 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jeffige TY Have read some where the ethnicity was secondary to the story which were fantastic reads too #scriptchat -5:38 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @UncompletedWork he's an asshole but knows a lot about story, that's for sure. Learned a ton @dawnbierschwal #scriptchat -5:38 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JustinWHedges #scriptchat The point being it would eventually no longer be called selling out. Sorta sent a muddy message there. -5:38 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork .@blackrugger Honestly, reading it was the worst part. Not so much the images. I've read my fair share of crazy #scriptchat -5:38 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal @UncompletedWork Be prepared for 12 hour days, an ego bigger than Texas, and no questions allowed... but worth the punishment! #scriptchat -5:38 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy @zacsanford2 i can understand the extent...but do you still read it like you normally would or is it already disadvantaged? #scriptchat -5:38 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 RT @JustinWHedges: @dawnbierschwal #scriptchat Thank you! That should be lesson #1 at every film school IMO. Selling out = good. #scriptchat -5:38 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb while we're all on here, I want to formally thank @rachlanger for getting our scriptchat blog up! *CURTSY* U rock! #scriptchat -5:38 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @JasonDalBianco But you can not deny its presence. #scriptchat -5:38 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell All of my characters are whatever race the star they cast is - from Billy Dee Williams to whatever martial arts guy sells DVDs. #scriptchat -5:37 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco Get yee behind me Satan! RT @zacsanford2: And do all your scripts have a beginning, middle & end? #scriptchat -5:37 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Since @wcmartell is a produced writer, it would be good to hear his thoughts on 3 act structure. #scriptchat -5:37 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @rachlanger sadly, i havent seen it #scriptchat -5:37 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 @dawnbierschwal Read, and re-reading Robert McKee's book STORY. Very good. #scriptchat -5:37 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennGates I have Robert McKee's book "Story" and have seen vids of his workshops. #ScriptChat -5:37 PM Nov 1st, 2009 rachlanger @mjreid but does three story-lines automatically imply three acts? #scriptchat -5:37 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JustinWHedges @dawnbierschwal #scriptchat Thank you! That should be lesson #1 at every film school IMO. Selling out = good. -5:37 PM Nov 1st, 2009 beingbrad Hey @zacsanford2 you should check out #365loglines - 1 logline a day for a year #scriptchat - no pay but there's no fame either -5:37 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @PennGates im thinking i have to dig out those index cards... #scriptchat -5:37 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco @UncompletedWork I am okay with my natural yearnings landing on a 3 act path, but I am not going to follow a map. #scriptchat -5:37 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jeannevb I'm going to dig a few movies out tonivght and watch on the laptop where I can replay :) #scriptchat -5:37 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork .@dawnbierschwal @jeannevb: Robert McKee [I hear he's a barrel of laughs :-)] #scriptchat -5:36 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 ha ha! :) RT @jeannevb: @zacsanford2 good thing Im writing my nxt script for Will to star in #phew #scriptchat -5:36 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @PennyAsh @talented_boy ethnicity only impacted my read in cases where the ethnic character was stereotyped. Heard that! #scriptchat -5:36 PM Nov 1st, 2009 DJordanKnight @zacsanford2 never mind, your addendum answered my question : ) #scriptchat -5:36 PM Nov 1st, 2009 rachlanger I would call Inglorious Basterds a 5-Act Blockbuster, but I could be painfully wrong. #scriptchat -5:36 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @talented_boy What budgets are your scripts, because it probably wouldn't matter? #scriptchat -5:36 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @Spitfire_King I've had Michael Hauge consult w me. His DVD on the Heros 2 Journeys is great! #scriptchat -5:36 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennGates I like and use the 3 act structure and beat sheets. Once I sketch out the 1st draft in FD, I can move the index cards around. #ScriptChat -5:36 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal Very helpful for us early on! RT @jeannevb: Has anyone gone to one of Robert McKees seminars? All about 3 acts. #scriptchat -5:35 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco .@jeffige No way Jose. I am literally going to wipe my ass with the pages of a book that teaches 3 act structure and rules. #scriptchat -5:35 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @zacsanford2 good thing I'm writing my nxt script for Will to star in #phew #scriptchat -5:35 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mjreid @rachlanger Sure he does! Pulp Fiction had three acts: Vince and Marcellus' Wife, The Gold Watch, and Bonnie Situation #scriptchat -5:35 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @zacsanford2 LOL I could write something for Will Smith :) #scriptchat -5:35 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork .@talented_boy Ethinicity alone doesn't impact my read. BUT, if you make a character a walking stereotype. It will. #ScriptChat -5:35 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King #scriptchat I did Michael Hagues seminar, and there is always 5% of the attendees wanting to argue the 3 act structure. They're everywhere -5:35 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Addendum #2... luckily for me, my boss loves racially diverse scripts and our budgets don't matter as much. #scriptchat -5:35 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger RT @KageyNYC: I want to make $$$ at screenwriting. I feel really comfortable saying that. Im a fan of being paid for my writing #scriptchat -5:35 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @rachlanger to be honest, I've never analyzed one of his films, but i own all Kill Bills... I'll watch again #scriptchat -5:35 PM Nov 1st, 2009 indpnt1 #scriptchat We feel closure as an audience when a story concludes in 3 acts. But It's nice to be out of the comfort zone on occasion. -5:35 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @KageyNYC I'm with you, I want to make a good living doing this #scriptchat -5:34 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @talented_boy I'm not a reader But I would say no - if the story is gripping #scriptchat -5:34 PM Nov 1st, 2009 DJordanKnight @zacsanford2 really? why? #scriptchat -5:34 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger @UncompletedWork Painful that you had to read it, or Painful that you unfortunately saw the images as you read it? #scriptchat -5:34 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell Hey, Zac! Long time. Good to see you. #scriptchat -5:34 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Addendum to my last tweet - Every studio tends to worry because only one person sells internationally... Will Smith. #scriptchat -5:34 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @talented_boy I was an editor (books) ethnicity only impacted my read in cases where the ethnic character was stereotyped #scriptchat -5:34 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco No matter what rules I do or do not follow, I don't do anything I cannot defend. If I can't argue 4 it, maybe I shouldn't do it. #scriptchat -5:33 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 To an extent, yes. Hate to say it, but honest here. RT @talented_boy: #scriptchat does character ethnicity impact your read? #scriptchat -5:33 PM Nov 1st, 2009 rachlanger I know I'm going to get hated on for this question, but does Tarantino use a 3-Act structure? #scriptchat -5:33 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb RT @talented_boy: #scriptchat i have honest question for any professional readers...does character ethnicity impact your read? #scriptchat -5:33 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KageyNYC I want to make $$$ at screenwriting. I feel really comfortable saying that. I'm a fan of being paid for my writing - BIG FAN! #scriptchat -5:33 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley I feel anyone can learn structure but it takes practice, patience and some other word that starts with P to make it your bitch #scriptchat -5:33 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige There are a ton of flicks that were great but didn't hit the big $$ #scriptchat -5:33 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork More about the prison scene I read. Every detail was choreographed like a fight scene. Overly wordy, novelized. PAINFUL. #Scriptchat -5:32 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @PennyAsh i usually map out story w BOTH action & char dev in mind when plotting turning points #scriptchat -5:32 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JakeAppleman How rigid are you when trying write visually, and specifically so, for the camera, as opposed to getting the story down? #scriptchat -5:32 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @wcmartell Welcome to the chat Mr Martell. #scriptchat -5:32 PM Nov 1st, 2009 DJordanKnight @wcmartell glad you made it! #scriptchat -5:32 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jmiewald You could just make your movie yourself. Then u can ignore all the rules. #scriptchat -5:32 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal @MonicaEmme 3 Act Structure: 25% Establish, 50% Build, 25% Resolve. Very simplistic, I know... but I have 140 chars. : ) #scriptchat -5:32 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy #scriptchat i have an honest question for anyone who used to be/are professional readers...does character ethnicity impact your read? -5:32 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @JasonDalBianco And do all your scripts have a beginning, middle & end? #scriptchat -5:32 PM Nov 1st, 2009 shoshido Recently saw "RocknRolla". 3 times in 4 days. OMG, crazy-loved it. So cleverly written & beautifully constructed. #scriptchat -5:32 PM Nov 1st, 2009 wcmartell What else can you do with a screenplay other than sell it so that it can be a movie? (or make it yourself) #scriptchat #scriptchat -5:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 I read scripts every day that writers pour their heart into but sometimes I wonder if they would even pay to see what they wrote #scriptchat -5:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb Has anyone gone to one of Robert McKee's seminars? @dawnbierschwal & I did several yrs ago. All about 3 acts. #scriptchat -5:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger @jeannevb I'm going to do that with Shaun of the Dead #scriptchat -5:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jeannevb I've picked apart character, time to go back and gnaw on the bones now :) #scriptchat -5:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King #scriptchat I want to be successful, I want to write film scripts for a mass audience and I enjoy a nice neat 3 act film -5:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 @jeffige Making money also means you had a good story, and shared it with many. #scriptchat -5:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco @zacsanford2 @UncompletedWork When it comes 2 the actual way I format the script, dialog, action, slug lines...I stick 2 rules. #scriptchat -5:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mediadivadesign . @jeffige who says you can't do both? #scriptchat -5:31 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal @jeffige Who says you can't do both? #scriptchat -5:30 PM Nov 1st, 2009 DJordanKnight @jeffige what does it have to be one or the other? #scriptchat -5:30 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Amen! RT @jeannevb: Everyone shld think about their fave films, watch them & pick apart structure #scriptchat -5:30 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 If I could be paid a livable wage to create stories all day, I would die a VERY happy man. #scriptchat -5:30 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @mediadivadesign @zacsanford2 Reality is, u can write what u want, but selling it is another thing... as u well know. #scriptchat -5:30 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jmiewald Going into screenwriting is "selling out." If you were a real artist you would be painting a canvas with cats or something #scriptchat -5:30 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mediadivadesign . @zacsanford2 by that standard, then all graphic designers are sell outs, because we design what is appealing to the consumer #scriptchat -5:30 PM Nov 1st, 2009 MonicaEmme can someone explain what a 3 act structure is? #scriptchat -5:30 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork .@JasonDalBianco RE: Kaufman. Good story telling is intuitive to good structure. #scriptchat -5:29 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @dawnbierschwal Yeah, but I'd rather tell a good story than make good money. #scriptchat -5:29 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal "Sell out" is insulting term to me. It says if I make a movie the mainstream wants to see that I'm somehow less of a writer. #scriptchat -5:29 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 That's like saying I want to write a 400 page novel but I don't want it to ever be a best seller. Liar. lol #scriptchat -5:29 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb Everyone shld think about their fave films, watch them & pick apart structure #scriptchat -5:29 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 All my scripts are "sell out" scripts. My ideas are huge! And Of course I want to make money because I love this business. #scriptchat -5:29 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mediadivadesign @dawnbierschwal hear hear! #scriptchat -5:29 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 .@mediadivadesign Because "artists" believe they should write what they want and not what an audience wants. #scriptchat -5:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @smashadv ok, ok, go be a good daddy .. there's always the transcript : ) *smooch* #scriptchat -5:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King @zacsanford2 #scriptchat everyone wants to tell stories thier own way but the platform they want to tell it on is a successful 3 act style -5:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger @UncompletedWork Ewwww...haha #scriptchat -5:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009 nopantsisland @UncompletedWork Unless it's a porno, I call #cancelled #scriptchat -5:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jeannevb Going to dig out my favorite movie and see if it had 3-act structure :) #scriptchat -5:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal I have to ask... what is wrong with wanting to make a movie that makes money? Make one and you'll be able to make lots more. #scriptchat -5:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco @UncompletedWork That may mean 1 of 2 things, the writer sucked or your taste sucks. Or maybe both, so perhaps 2 of 2 things... #ScriptChat -5:28 PM Nov 1st, 2009 nopantsisland @jeannevb Hah! Love it... but it wouldn't make for a very good story. And we'd be missing the structure. ;) #wishfullthinking #scriptchat -5:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mediadivadesign @zacsanford2 "sell out" now there's a term that bugs me. Why is writing a successful screenplay selling out? #scriptchat -5:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @MonicaEmme doesnt matter. U might find u want to : ) We're talking about 3-act structure. If its necessary to make work salable #scriptchat -5:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @mckormickastley I just thought it was boring and pretentious. I've loved most his other films though. #scriptchat -5:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @MonicaEmme A lot carries over :) #writechat #scriptchat -5:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KageyNYC If you plan 2 write & direct ur film (as @JasonDalBianco plans) does it matter or is there something storytelling-wise to 3act? #scriptchat -5:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 @MonicaEmme Stay anyway. We are talking about structure. #scriptchat -5:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009 smashadv @jeannevb nursing a sick child too. i multitask. (it's the Yankees!! come on!) ;) #scriptchat -5:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork .@zacsanford2 Once I read, I'm not exaggerating, a 14 page prison rape scene. No dialog for 14 pgs, just wet, man-on-man detail. #scriptchat -5:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @UncompletedWork No doubt! But how many times have Prodcos stepped in and screwed the story just to make the $$ #scriptchat -5:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb RT @zacsanford2: Wow, no 1 @replied me w/a blockbuster that didnt use 3 act structure... that tells u something. #scriptchat -5:27 PM Nov 1st, 2009 MonicaEmme just walked in and saw that you asked #writechat writers to stay. What if we don't write scripts? #scriptchat -5:26 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jmiewald Going to have to watch some of my favorites over and pick them apart now :) #scriptchat -5:26 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal Me too! RT @mckormickastley: I find structure very liberating. #scriptchat -5:26 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger I love using the 3 act structure. It makes writing so much easier, at least for me #scriptchat -5:26 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @nopantsisland maybe u can use ur tweets to count as NaNo words #wishfulthinking #scriptchat -5:26 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King @nopantsisland #scriptchat no worries, we're all new to something at some stage in our careers, but we all learn different tips at any time -5:26 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley @zacsanford2 I'm asking anyone. Evert loved it and PSH is incredible. That bad? #scriptchat -5:26 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Wow, no one @replied me w/a blockbuster that didn't use the 3 act structure. So if you want to sell out, that tells u something. #scriptchat -5:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @smashadv ur watching a baseball game instead of doing #scriptchat?! tsk tsk ;) -5:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco Charlie Kaufman (I'd marry his face off) in intrvw answrd to the effect of, "I only have a vague idea about structure..." #scriptchat -5:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @PennyAsh totally : ) #scriptchat -5:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009 nopantsisland @zacsanford2 I know - I'm ignoring my NaNo quota as we type. 1000 words left for today... #scriptchat -5:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @UncompletedWork @JasonDalBianco I think you have to stay on the plane of 3 acts - keeping your feet on the ground is up to you. #scriptchat -5:25 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 I hated this film, even if you didn't ask me :) RT @mckormickastley: have you seen Synechtode NY? Its next on my list. #scriptchat -5:24 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy #scriptchat writing an outline is usually just 2 get the feeling u hav a beg, mid and end...but w/ strong characters, the story tells itself -5:24 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley I find structure very liberating. #scriptchat -5:24 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @mckormickastley oh YES! I'm one of the few who loved it! It was named after a town near me (Schenectady) #scriptchat -5:24 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork .@jeffige "I want to tell stories - not make money." That doesn't mean you can't have a well constructed story though ;-) #scriptchat -5:24 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jmiewald I think its all about watching movies that you like and want to aspire to. Do they use three act structure? #scriptchat -5:24 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @mckormickastley I use structure, but then dig in the details of ea scene HAVING to move the story & add CONFLICT or I cut it #scriptchat -5:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley @jeannevb have you seen Synechtode NY? It's next on my list. #scriptchat -5:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 .@UncompletedWork @JasonDalBianco One of the worst "F the Rules" scripts I read was 247 pages and 1 action block was 3 pages. #scriptchat -5:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork Hey @ebertchicago care to join us screenwriters for some #Scriptchat? We're talking about 3 Act Structure tonight. -5:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KageyNYC @JasonDalBianco I know you hate it but tell why, pls, I'm genuinely interested. #scriptchat -5:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009 rachlanger Writing within defined parameters helps me stay in control- be it acts or time limits. When I need to lose control I freewrite. #scriptchat -5:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jeannevb I was an artist for a lot of years, I think it carries over :) #scriptchat -5:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige I want to tell stories - not make money. Therefore I will do as they want until I can tell them to Fu@% off and tell it my way. #scriptchat -5:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb RT @dawnbierschwal: defining turning pts helps me more creative, not less, think outside the box upfront before locking in. #scriptchat -5:23 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork RT @jeannevb: @UncompletedWork I love Charlie Kaufman. Wld kill to get him to join us one night... #scriptchat {hey, now that's on record!} -5:22 PM Nov 1st, 2009 nopantsisland @Spitfire_King Sure thing - I'm still new in the relative sense, but would be glad to pass along anything I can. #scriptchat -5:22 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley I get structure & believe in it, but 4 me it's more important in every scene the char's want something (as focus for my writing) #scriptchat -5:22 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork .@JasonDalBianco Every script I've ever read where screenwriter said "F the rules, I'mma re-invent the wheel!" wasn't very good. #ScriptChat -5:22 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal I find defining turning points helps me more creative, not less... gets me 2 think outside the box upfront before locking in. #scriptchat -5:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco I suspect 1 might look at my work & point out how I'm unknowingly using structure. Fine. Just don't tell me I HAVE to use it. #scriptchat -5:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb RT @zacsanford2: Can someone name a blockbuster from the last 5 years that didnt have three acts? #scriptchat -5:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Uh oh, some of use #scriptchatters might have to join #writechat as #NaNoWriMo started today. #scriptchat -5:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @PennyAsh i write visually as well, for sure #scriptchat -5:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KageyNYC This leads 2 salable part of topic RT @zacsanford2 3 act, all readers in Hollywood trained on that & look 4 things by certain pp #scriptchat -5:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @DJordanKnight Yeah, or something that makes your reader/viewer's hair stand on end #scriptchat -5:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @jeffige indy is more flexible as well bc there arent all the corporate, inflexible suits waiting for the big profit in the end #scriptchat -5:21 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Can someone name a blockbuster from the last 5 years that didn't have three acts? #scriptchat -5:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork .@zacsanford2 I read for a company that had a 42 PAGE readers rubric. Everything was broken down, to the romance, b-story level #scriptchat -5:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jeannevb LOL can't help it, I see my book scenes in technicolor :) #writechat #scriptchat -5:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King @nopantsisland #scriptchat I'll have to get some tips off you one day, got an idea for a comedy series. -5:20 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco I just want to make a movie. F all the terms and rules. I'll tell a story I like. F the rest. #scriptchat -5:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mjreid 3 act structure is dominant because that's how our minds handle stories. Beginning / Middle / End = 3 acts. #scriptchat -5:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @UncompletedWork I love Charlie Kaufman. Wld kill to get him to join us one night... #scriptchat -5:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige Indies are more forgiving than Big Prodcos. They have more of a brain! than a rule book. #scriptchat -5:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 .@UncompletedWork I know someone at *insert big company here* that requires a big set piece w/action by page 5. #scriptchat -5:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 Break in then brk the rulesRT @jeffige @zacsanford2 I think u have to stay close to the rules if you are new and trying to sell #scriptchat -5:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @zacsanford2 I buy on ebay or amazon, get reviews from friends :) The big screen TV helps too #scriptchat -5:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009 DJordanKnight @PennyAsh Yep. Or a concrete statement - especially one that might be considered controversial. #scriptchat -5:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork RT @zacsanford2: Sort of. TV is a who different animal. RT @mediadivadesign: I understand 1 hour TV is now 6 act #scriptchat [Indeed] -5:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KageyNYC @zacsanford2: Asked in class, since breaking it down Act I, Act II (Midpoint) Act II, Act III - why not 4-acts? Told, why not! #scriptchat -5:19 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger @Spitfire_King i plan for my screenplays, I just don't worry about the techincals terms until I have the first draft. #scriptchat -5:18 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @PennyAsh i'm sooooo excited u found us. SEE #writechat writers? We have a defector haha #scriptchat -5:18 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork DO NOT CONFUSE: Non-traditional story telling techniques with not having 3 Acts. Charlie Kaufman's scripts are 3 acts. #Scriptchat -5:18 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mjreid @rachlanger Act structures for TV are determined by commercial breaks. Each show has a different structure, hour and 1/2 hour. #scriptchat -5:18 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @zacsanford2 I think you have to stay close to the rules if you are new and trying to sell. #scriptchat -5:18 PM Nov 1st, 2009 hashtager # @diablocody Join us for #scriptchat at http://bit.ly/d0BWh with hashtag #scriptchat. Screenwriters talking about sctructure. -5:18 PM Nov 1st, 2009 hashtager # @JoannaDangelo Do you know about the #scriptchat hashtag? they're chatting now. -5:18 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy #scriptchat what's been interesting is figuring out how to be different while still meeting the 'classic screenwriting' rules & regulations -5:18 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Sort of. TV is a who different animal. RT @mediadivadesign: I understand 1 hour TV is now 6 act #scriptchat -5:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King #scriptchat it's the same old story, who are you writing for? The commercial industry or the indy film fest, I know where I want to end up -5:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jeannevb I'm seeing a lot of parallels :) I'm going to have a blast doing this #scriptchat -5:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @diablocody I'll give u a margarita and ROLOS if u just say HI to us wannabes *FIREBALLS* #scriptchat (cc @dawnbierschwal ) -5:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009 nopantsisland I primarily write television these days - half hour comedy, two act structures plus teaser/tail. #scriptchat -5:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @PennyAsh Yikes, I don't know what I would do if a movie theater was that far away. #scriptchat -5:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal Thanks, Zac. Good to know! #scriptchat -5:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @DJordanKnight Which is why I try to always start with some sort of action #scriptchat -5:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork Yes @zacsanford Many co's have stringent rubrics for their readers. and it's tough to get non trad. structure thru the door #scriptchat -5:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Ha ha! RT @JasonDalBianco: Feels confining, predictable, formulaic, [insert many vulgar bad terms and feelings ] #scriptchat -5:17 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mediadivadesign I understand 1 hour TV is now 6 act #scriptchat -5:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @jeffige I'm a reader, but luckily in the indie world. I still look for some tried and true aspects, but rules can be thrown out #scriptchat -5:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @zacsanford2 Exactly or in my case driving 50 plus miles to see #scriptchat -5:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal @diablocody Join us for #scriptchat at http://bit.ly/d0BWh with hashtag #scriptchat. Screenwriters talking about sctructure. -5:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige I write from the hip. It helps spark my creativety with out being confined. #scriptchat -5:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009 DJordanKnight @PennyAsh Agreed. The first sentence, really, but def by the first paragraph. #scriptchat -5:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 ha ha. I was in the STC LA writer's group and had to leave. "Your catalyst isn't on page 12." Sorry it is a guidepost, not rule #scriptchat -5:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @PennyAsh the hook holds true in screenwriting as well : ) See, ur gonna love this heehee #scriptchat -5:16 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco Feels confining, predictable, formulaic, [insert many vulgar bad terms and feelings ] RT @PennyAsh: Why do you hate it? #scriptchat -5:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009 amgamble @JoannaDangelo Do you know about the #scriptchat hashtag? they're chatting now. -5:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009 rachlanger Any thoughts on act structures for TV writing? 1/2 hour? hour long? #scriptchat -5:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @dawnbierschwal If you're using tweetchat you don't need to type the hash as it will automatically put it in and not double it. #scriptchat -5:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @CheekyWench *smooch* #writechat writers PLEASE try us out! #scriptchat -5:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King @blackrugger I used to write like that and made a mess of a few scripts, I find planning works better for me now #scriptchat -5:15 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @zacsanford2 No doubt! They turn to page 1 then pg 10 then halfway - blah blah blah! #scriptchat -5:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb does anyone out there (besides @jasondalbianco) NOT use 3 act structure? Plz explain why... #scriptchat -5:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @zacsanford2 The hook :) in writing a novel you have about a paragraph to grab the reader #scriptchat -5:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009 CheekyWench #scriptchat going on right now.. any scriptwriters or those interested in the craft, jump in :D @jeannevb won't bite.... hard. -5:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 And worth your $10+ to go see. RT @PennyAsh: @UncompletedWork True. The story has to be worth telling #scriptchat -5:14 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal I like defining a midpoint as well. #scriptchat #scriptchat -5:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy #scriptchat reading 'your screenplay sucks: 100 ways to make it great' by william m. akers damn near changed my life...and i'm not even done -5:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco "I'm talking scorched Earth mother fucker! I will massacre you!" F 3 act structure! @zacsanford2 #scriptchat -5:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Someone on the brown list would say otherwise :) RT @jeannevb: @talented_boy @zacsanford is awesomeness : ) #scriptchat -5:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 I do this at homeRT @dawnbierschwal: Brought pen and paper to movie theatre after first learning strucure. Mapped it out on ppr #scriptchat -5:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb i use turning pts to highlight char dev not just story #scriptchat -5:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige Its good to read and know all the "GURUS." After you learn it - throw it out the window and WRITE ON! #scriptchat -5:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @UncompletedWork True. The story has to be worth telling #scriptchat -5:13 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger @Spitfire_King honestly I just write, then go through again to make sure everything fits. #scriptchat -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @talented_boy @zacsanford is awesomeness : ) #scriptchat -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 @zacsanford2 Sort the same thing. Just breaking up act 2 #scriptchat -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 One thing about the 3 act structure, all the readers here in Hollywood are trained on that and look for things by certain pages. #scriptchat -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King #scriptchat a lot of books have been written on the subject, those for and against it, but you can spend your life collecting them -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb if there are any screenwriters out there who want to join in, don't be shy... blast ur thoughts out! #scriptchat -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mjreid 3 act structure is fine if your story fits it - my current script works best as 5 act, so I plot it that way. #scriptchat -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork 3 Act - beginning, middle & end, are intuitive to storytelling. But simply having these things doesn't nesc. make a good story! #scriptchat -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KageyNYC @jeffige Exactly, learn the rules to break the rules but I do think you need to be strategic when/if you break them. #scriptchat -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jmiewald @Spitfire_King I use a Midpoint in my 3 Act Structure. Almost like a 4 Act Structure. #scriptchat -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal Brought pen and paper to movie theatre after first learning strucure. Mapped it out on paper as I watched. #sriptchat #geek #scriptchat -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @yeah_write2 Yes! They may not realize it, but they do. #scriptchat -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mckormickastley I use google notebook to hash out my beats ( and scenes ). Saved online can edit rearrange anywhere I'm connected #scriptchat -5:12 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb RT @yeah_write2: Save the Cat Goes to the Movies is also excellent. #scriptchat -5:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy @jeannevb thanks....@zacsanford is to blame for my presence...good dude from a twitter point of view #scriptchat -5:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige 3 act structure is good to know. Most flicks do it but in a totally different way. #scriptchat -5:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 See, I really don't use a three act structure... I consider the second act to be two separate acts split up by the midpoint. #scriptchat -5:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 I do. RT @Spitfire_King: #scriptchat Do most people use a midpoint in their 3 act structure? #scriptchat -5:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @Spitfire_King i use midpt, for sure #scriptchat -5:11 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Not only is the first ten pages important, but that first page is most important of all. Some readers tune out after that. #scriptchat -5:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009 DJordanKnight Truby uses something like 25 beats. I much prefer STC. #scriptchat -5:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jeffige Sounds like phase outlining #scriptchat -5:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King #scriptchat Do most people use a midpoint in their 3 act structure? -5:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 Save the Cat Goes to the Movies is also excellent. #scriptchat -5:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KageyNYC I read Syd Field & Blake Snyder back-to-back - First is super in-depth, second seemed immediately actionable - perfect combo #scriptchat -5:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @JasonDalBianco Next time I'm up in the NorCal, I guess we're going to have to throw down over the 3 act structure. #scriptchat -5:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @JasonDalBianco i love how ur so afraid to speak ur mind haha #scriptchat -5:10 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige @KageyNYC Learn it live it then break the hell out of it! #scriptchat -5:09 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb 3 act is prob most salable for commercial film but u have more flexibility if u want to shoot independent #scriptchat -5:09 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @JasonDalBianco Why do you hate it? #scriptchat -5:09 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy #scriptchat reading syd field made me take my first ten pages very seriously...turns out it gets the blood flowing -5:09 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork She's not here, but @covermyscript wrote a good article on 3 Act Structure. Check it out http://bit.ly/1Q1Jai #scriptchat -5:09 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco I HATE 3 THE ACT STRUCTURE CONCEPT. I'll say it again, I hope to get into a bloody bar fight with a 3 act structure supporter. #scriptchat -5:09 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @mediadivadesign I would also recommend checking out Save the Cat by @blake_snyder. His two books give great examples. #scriptchat -5:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeffige Beatsheet = Each "beat" represents an event which is pivotal to the direction and flow of the story. #scriptchat -5:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @yeah_write2 Thanks, just sent it #scriptchat -5:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jokeandbiagio RT @UncompletedWork: Pre-emptive note to my followers. From 8 to 9 EST I'll be participating in #ScriptChat. Screenwriters join in. -5:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KageyNYC I'm in school & learning 3-act. We're being taught to learn it, practice it, internalize it then it won't feel confining. #scriptchat -5:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @talented_boy btw, welcome youngin : ) #scriptchat -5:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger @zacsanford2 I would like that beat sheet. #scriptchat -5:08 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 .@jeannevb mentions @blake_snyder w/STC, but there are other beat gurus out there w/dif amounts of beats needed. #scriptchat -5:07 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh #ScriptChat I like an opening story/scene that grabs me and doesn't let go until the end -5:07 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @zacsanford2 maybe u can post it on our scriptchat blog site? #scriptchat -5:07 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 TRUE RT @jeannevb: fyi: the expert on beat sheets was Blake Snyder. New screenwriters might want to get his book Save The Cat #scriptchat -5:07 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger goodbookRT @jeannevb: fyi: the expert on beat sheets was Blake Snyder. New screenwriters might want to get his book Save The Cat #scriptchat -5:07 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 @PennyAsh DM me your email at @yeah_write and I'll send you a good one. #scriptchat -5:07 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork As @KageyNYC can attest, @robertamunroe shared many reasons why your story structure must be more compact in a short. #ScriptChat -5:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @KageyNYC we know how @jasondalbianco feels about "beat sheets" ... i've seen his desk HA #scriptchat -5:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mediadivadesign @zacsanford2 ahh, thanks. sounds like it could be a useful way for me to organize my ideas #scriptchat -5:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 If anyone wants a decent example of a beat sheet, I have a beat sheet of a pitch for White Noise 3 :) Yes, part 3 #scriptchat -5:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King #scriptchat Like having a goal to aim for, but write on the fly filling in the blanks of my outline as I go nice mix of structure and freedm -5:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy #scriptchat if i kno my inciting incident, my plot points and my midpoint, i can usually write around that -5:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb fyi: the expert on beat sheets was Blake Snyder. New screenwriters might want to get his book Save The Cat #scriptchat -5:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009 amgamble RT @PennyAsh: #ScriptChat 3-act = Hook, Line, & Sinker -5:06 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork SHORT FILM structure does not necessarily lend itself to 3 acts. You do not have the leisure you do in a feature. #scriptchat -5:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 RT @nopantsisland @jeannevb Beat sheets are good when you have a lot of ideas, but arent confident of the order they should fall #scriptchat -5:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @jeannevb Oh I've seen your #deskclutter and know you probably can't even find where you placed those damn cards. #scriptchat -5:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger same here RT @jeannevb: @zacsanford2 i havent tried either beat sheet or index cards, tho I bought hundreds haha #deskclutter #scriptchat -5:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jeannevb TY feel free to use #ScriptChat #scriptchat -5:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KageyNYC @JasonDalBianco What's your opinion (hehe, I already know but this will juice this topic) #scriptchat -5:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger @zacsanford2 I could never use a index card. I don't know why. Maybe it's just the way I write out the scenes. #scriptchat -5:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Welcome sir. At least I think you are a sir based on your avatar. RT @jmiewald: Showing up for #scriptchat :) #scriptchat -5:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco @zacsanford2 Ahhh! You were the one who rec'd that channel. I tried it and LOVED it. Great writing sounds. @KageyNYC #scriptchat -5:05 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @zacsanford2 i havent tried either beat sheet or index cards, tho I bought hundreds haha #deskclutter #scriptchat -5:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @yeah_write2 I read a sample beat sheet, was totally lost #scriptchat -5:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 I used to write on the fly, but then I had to do so much re-writing it became impossilbe to keep up with myself. #scriptchat -5:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 @mediadivadesign Beat Sheets are basically your main story beats that happen over the course of the script. #scriptchat -5:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009 nopantsisland @jeannevb Beat sheets are good when you have a lot of ideas, but aren't confident of the order they should fall. #scriptchat -5:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger Ihave a couple notebooks filled with different scenes all involving the same storyline. Ipiece it together when I start to write #scriptchat -5:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jeannevb Been trying out phase outlining, making a list of scenes, usually I also write on the fly #scriptchat -5:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009 dawnbierschwal Defining turning points in a script helps me with guideposts. #scriptchat #scriptchat -5:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jmiewald Showing up for #scriptchat :) -5:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 I used to never outline until I read "Habits of Highly Successful Screenwriters". #scriptchat -5:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb like that : ) RT @PennyAsh: #ScriptChat 3-act = Hook, Line, & Sinker #scriptchat -5:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb @JasonDalBianco oh, thank GOD! xo heehee #scriptchat -5:04 PM Nov 1st, 2009 nopantsisland I never approach two projects the same way - different things seem to work for different scripts. #scriptchat -5:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009 mediadivadesign Can someone define a beat-sheet for a newbie? #scriptchat -5:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 When Im first coming up with an idea, I like the idea of a beat sheet and index cards. It allows me to move things around w/ease #scriptchat -5:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009 talented_boy #scriptchat three-act just makes life easier -5:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JakeAppleman Can't imagine not using an outline. #scriptchat -5:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009 KageyNYC RT @jeannevb: #scriptchat TOPIC: 3-act structure, turning points, outlining, beat sheet or write on the fly? Are non 3-act scripts salable? -5:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King #scriptchat I wrote an 11 page treatment outlining everythign in my story and found a natural 3 act structure, now just writing the script -5:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009 JasonDalBianco Everyone can relax. I am here. #scriptchat -5:03 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 Beat sheet has saved me tons of wasted writing. I swear by it. #scriptchat -5:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 Our previous outline was about 50 pages in FD including all the scene slugs and descriptions, so it just became fill in the dots #scriptchat -5:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh #ScriptChat 3-act = Hook, Line, & Sinker -5:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009 blackrugger I like to use the 3 act structure for the outline.But the majority of my writing comes on the fly. #scriptchat -5:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb i use 3 act structure, never tried beat sheet but do outline. Does anyone use beat sheets & r they helpful? #scriptchat -5:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford2 .@DJordanKnight and I are all about outlining the hell out of the script within the three act structure. #scriptchat -5:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009 UncompletedWork RT #scriptchat TOPIC: 3-act structure, turning points, outlining, beat sheet or write on the fly? Are non 3-act scripts salable? -5:02 PM Nov 1st, 2009 PennyAsh @jeannevb I like 3-act, it's tidy #scriptchat -5:01 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb #scriptchat TOPIC: 3-act structure, turning points, outlining, beat sheet or write on the fly? Are non 3-act scripts salable? #scriptchat -5:01 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb just posted topic... btw, WELCOME #scriptchat -5:01 PM Nov 1st, 2009 zacsanford @jeannevb #scriptchat TOPIC: 3-act structure, turning points, outlining, beat sheet or write on the fly? Are non 3-act scripts salable? -5:01 PM Nov 1st, 2009 Spitfire_King @yeah_write2 G'day from Oz #scriptchat -5:01 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb just jump in. I'll try to keep u on topic for first 30 min... good luck to ME ha #scriptchat -5:01 PM Nov 1st, 2009 yeah_write2 Welcome everyone. Thanks for joining us. #scriptchat -5:00 PM Nov 1st, 2009 jeannevb #scriptchat TOPIC: 3-act structure, turning points, outlining, beat sheet or write on the fly? Are non 3-act scripts salable? -5:00 PM Nov 1st, 2009
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