Tonight's chat was mostly focused on villains. There was lots of great input about what makes a good villain. Enjoy the read!
Moderator: Taro Russell @TaroJ
Taro@TaroJ
It's #scriptchat O'Clock and we're talking about creating characters, both heroes and villains.
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Taro@TaroJ
#scriptchat let's start with villains as they are always much more fun.
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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
Hi #scriptchat
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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
Evening all! #scriptchat
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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
So, how do we kick off? Villains? I prefer them verbal & smart myself. Nothing more disappointing than an idiot for a nemesis.#scriptchat
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat Okay, so. Characters. I've been thinking a lot about villains lately, especially thanks to recent movies...
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Claire Yeowart@ClaireYeowart
Hello everyone! #scriptchat
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robinbellwriter@robinbellwriter
#scriptchat I like to initially make my villains quite broad but slowly reveal human aspects of them throughout.
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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
Last week the USA talked about creating characters we Love, check out the transcript here - tinyurl.com/mz9avbr #scriptchat
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robinbellwriter@robinbellwriter
#scriptchat in my mind that makes them scarier.
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat I'm developing a theory that the best villains are the ones you're afraid the hero might become (Darth Vader)
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Sharita@14Shari
what is tonight's topic? #scriptchat twubs.com/scriptchat
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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
There's nothing worse to me than stupid villains, no matter who plays them. An example that aggravates me - Cliffhanger.#scriptchat 1/3
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robinbellwriter@robinbellwriter
@SiFoulaReel yes, that's why lecter really got to me when I was far too young to watch #scriptchat
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Taro@TaroJ
I think the best villains are ones that really believe they are the hero, that believe in what they are doing #scriptchat
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Sharita@14Shari
evening all #scriptchat twubs.com/scriptchat
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Royston Deitch@37filmsltd
@teenierussell Villains? I say Noah Cross in Chinatown. A towering, evil presence with a biblical name. Hats off, Robert Towne. #scriptchat
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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
Obviously Lithgow is brilliant, but they're *so* evil they work against themselves. They NEED Gabe to get their money. But..#scriptchat 2/3
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Taro@TaroJ
Hi @14Shari tonight were talking characters, heroes and villains#scriptchat
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @TaroJ Yeah, any villain that views himself as the bad guy is ludicrous. *Everyone* thinks they're doing the right thing.
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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
...for sheer evil, they take away his jacket & his climbing axe. Um, guys, do you want that case back or not? Dumb. #scriptchat 3/3
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Sharita@14Shari
how do you come up w/ your villains?Anyone ever started story w/ villain? #scriptchat twubs.com/scriptchat
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Farah Abushwesha@farahabushwesha
@TaroJ Yes and character names are so important! Many scripts can have characters with similar sounding names or unisex names.#scriptchat
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robinbellwriter@robinbellwriter
#scriptchat desirable or cool villains scare me. The joker in dark knight, was unhinged but cool, people wanted to buy into him
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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
#scriptchat best villains? Ledger's Joker, Hannibal in Silence of the Lambs. Villains you love to watch.
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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write
@farahabushwesha @TaroJ My pet hate: female characters with male names - why is it even a thing?? #scriptchat
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Taro@TaroJ
@farahabushwesha yup names, such a simple thing that can really change the way someone reads your script #scriptchat
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robinbellwriter@robinbellwriter
#scriptchat when you begin agreeing with Kevin spacey in seven. That got to me too
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Tim Poultney@DreamsofLuxor
@DebbieBMoon It plays into the archetypes of character well enough, better than an absolute opposite might do #Scriptchat
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @14Shari I often write attractor-villains,people the hero starts off liking up, ends up opposing. I start with them, before hero
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BAFTA Rocliffe Forum@rocliffeforum
Writers do you find it hard to write 1 pg TV & Film treatments? Read @farahabushwesha tips on treatments bit.ly/192X612#scriptchat
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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
#scriptchat villains need to test protag and is best with a strength that is protags flaw
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Wallace Brown@NamingJasonC
A "villain" as in...? Define the term. #scriptchat
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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
.@antonsays I contend some villains save films. Sudden Death is worth 100 minutes *just* for Powers Boothe enjoying villainy.#scriptchat
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Farah Abushwesha@farahabushwesha
Writers wondered what extract to send @BAFTA @rocliffeforum? Here's some tips, on @farahabushwesha blog bit.ly/12pMSZK#scriptchat
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BAFTA Rocliffe Forum@rocliffeforum
Writers wondered what extract to send @BAFTA @rocliffeforum? Here's some tips, on @farahabushwesha blog bit.ly/12pMSZK#scriptchat
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Claire Yeowart@ClaireYeowart
@Bang2write @farahabushwesha @TaroJ yes, annoying! Names so important #scriptchat
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robinbellwriter@robinbellwriter
#scriptchat I often write sympathetic villains. E.g bullies with bad home life.
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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
@SiFoulaReel some films are all about the villain too. Saw, Nightmare on Elm St, Halloween etc #scriptchat
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Claire Yeowart@ClaireYeowart
I like villains that aren't black and white, that aren't good or bad at first but make terrible choices #scriptchat
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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
.@antonsays Similarly, the Under Siege films are about the only good Seagal films, due to Lee Jones, Busey & Bogosian. #scriptchat
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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
Michael Corleone and Vic Mackie: heroic villains? #scriptchat
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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
Evening all! #scriptchat
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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
For me the scary (or disturbing) ones are the villains who hate what they're doing but are compelled by something bigger#scriptchat
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Taro@TaroJ
Oddly I also like a bit an anti-hero a hero with a bit of a dark side. Lets be honest Han or Luke, no contest really #scriptchat
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @NamingJasonC Yes, not all antagonists are villains. So what defines a "villain"?
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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
@antonsays Yes, though conversely I think some of those are quite wrong in their presentation (probably not a case for twitter!)#scriptchat
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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write
@ClaireYeowart @farahabushwesha @TaroJ Names have a connotation & power all their own BUT many writers go OTT with them, too #scriptchat
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robinbellwriter@robinbellwriter
@TaroJ think the anti hero is becoming more visible across the board. Dark knight knock on effect probably #scriptchat
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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write
#scriptchat @DebbieBMoon @NamingJasonC the antagonist wants the OPPOSITE of what the protagonist wants/ has the opposite worldview
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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
The moment the Elm St. films went off the rails is the moment the audience were encouraged to laugh *with* Krueger. #scriptchat
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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
I dunno if there's a hard rule though. Bad choices and humanity are scary and interesting, but so is pitiless rage. #scriptchat
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Andrés Serrato H.@Palestrapublica
@MacBullitt #scriptchat I think the Godfather is a story about a hero that turns into a villian thatks the beauty about it
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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write
@ClaireYeowart @farahabushwesha @TaroJ Another pet hate of mine: names that are too similar. Try & differentiate #scriptchat
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Marcus Yau@theYauBoy
@DebbieBMoon @TaroJ Villians who are very human are effective and scary: Nurse Ratched, Amon Goethe spring to mind#scriptchat
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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
@MacBullitt @antonsays See, there's where it goes wrong - Forsythe is a terrific actor & villain, but the character is nothing.#scriptchat
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Taro@TaroJ
@robinbellwriter they are just so much more interesting, the best parts about characters are their flaws #scriptchat
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Farah Abushwesha@farahabushwesha
@Bang2write @ClaireYeowart @TaroJ I think I said that too. Also age! 20s! Know your character 21 is very different to 28#scriptchat
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Andrés Serrato H.@Palestrapublica
@ClaireYeowart #scriptchat i agreed 'cause people in real life isn't good or bad we all have both sides
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Sophie@miztransmission
Is it heroes and villains on #scriptchat tonight? I'm seeing a lot of film suggestions but not much TV. Are we allowed TV villains too?
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @Bang2write @NamingJasonC Also theory that antagonist wants what hero wants, but wants to do something different with it
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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
@MacBullitt @antonsays He's just a thug. No verbal fireworks, no intellectual approach to anything. That's the sort I find dull.#scriptchat
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Taro@TaroJ
@SiFoulaReel that would be number 4 #scriptchat
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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write
#scriptchat #movies Some thoughts on Disney's The Sword in the Stone, now 50 years old - how they'd make it todayfb.me/2jDuA9PzB
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Claire Yeowart@ClaireYeowart
@antonsays Iconic villians there #scriptchat
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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
@Bang2write @DebbieBMoon @NamingJasonC I would say the antagonist is in the way of the protag. They can both want the same thing #scriptchat
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Tim Poultney@DreamsofLuxor
Personally, I like a villain to make an instant impression and stand out from the crowd - Vaudeville style #Vaudevillain #Scriptchat
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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@Palestrapublica the second is about the destruction of his soul and third is redemption #scriptchat
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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
@miztransmission absolutely, go for it Favourite TV villains?#scriptchat
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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
@TaroJ Yes, I think so. Around the time of the rap song, masks for kids and TV show for a child-molester / killer. So wrong.#scriptchat
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Taro@TaroJ
Hey @theYauBoy congrats on the play, read an interview with you the other day #scriptchat
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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write
@antonsays @DebbieBMoon @NamingJasonC in the Thriller, it's typically the antagonist driving the action; it's protag in the way#scriptchat
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat Quite by accident, just finished Sherlock ep The Great Game. Moriarty= fantastic approach to a villain. Same as S, but different
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robinbellwriter@robinbellwriter
@teenierussell I read so many scripts that are too keen to condemn. The writer banging his drum to what's wrong with the world #scriptchat
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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@SiFoulaReel I kind of feel that way about Busey in Under, he's a bit daft rather than menacing @antonsays #scriptchat
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Andrés Serrato H.@Palestrapublica
@miztransmission #scriptchat in breaking Bad or Dexter we could fin great villians
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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
@DebbieBMoon Agree massively on that one. Fantastically unpredictable. After I saw it I phoned all my friends! #scriptchat
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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
@robinbellwriter @teenierussell I haven't done so much of that because so far my projects with villains are more outlandish.#scriptchat
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Claire Yeowart@ClaireYeowart
@miztransmission TV has some excellent villains at the moment#scriptchat
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Farah Abushwesha@farahabushwesha
@TaroJ I'd be interested to know what thoughts are on the character/style of villain being driven by the genre u r writing?#scriptchat
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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
@MacBullitt @antonsays But from the moment he caps the captain (admiral, whichever) he becomes both. On a knife edge. #scriptchat
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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write
#scriptchat #screenwriting Some thoughts on characterisation, with links to more articles bang2write.com/2013/06/how-do…
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat John Rogers said the best villains on Leverage were 'ten degrees off right': they'd started off doing right thing, wandered off
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Sophie@miztransmission
@teenierussell Current faves probably Moriarty (Sherlock AND Elementary), Walternate (Fringe), and EVERYBODY in Game Of Thrones #scriptchat
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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
@robinbellwriter @MacBullitt @antonsays Quite, so you have to give them smart reasons to escalate past boundaries, if you can.#scriptchat
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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
@Bang2write @DebbieBMoon @NamingJasonC very true.#scriptchat
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Sophie@miztransmission
@teenierussell All of them are layered, interesting (both because AND despite of 'villainy'), and feel like completely new takes#scriptchat
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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@SiFoulaReel @antonsays He was better as Mr Joshua IMO.#scriptchat
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @Bang2write @antonsays @NamingJasonCVillain/antagonist often starts the story. creates inciting incident. hero then takes over
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robinbellwriter@robinbellwriter
#scriptchat off for a bath before returned. Thanks for villian insight you bunch of bad uns.
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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
@MacBullitt @antonsays Definitely, but again, different type of film, different type of comic book. #scriptchat
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Sophie@miztransmission
@ClaireYeowart Definitely. TV has format advantage in terms of drawing out characterisation too, e.g. Walternate in Fringe#scriptchat
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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
MT:@farahabushwesha @TaroJ ...what thoughts are on the character/style of villain being driven by the genre #scriptchat
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat fantastic nuanced movie villain: The Operative in Serenity. Noble, clever, determined, skilful, knows he's both wrong and right
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P Vandegrift@PersephWrites
Creative inspiration - tacked my 1-sheets to the wall above my writing desk. Looking good! #amwriting #scriptchat#screenwriting
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_@flightrisker
@DebbieBMoon @TaroJ "I'm a monster.What I do is evil. I have no illusions about it, but it must be done." #scriptchat
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Claire Yeowart@ClaireYeowart
@miztransmission @teenierussell I love to hate Joffrey in GoT! Other favs CSM in X Files, the baddies in Utopia #scriptchat
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Sophie@miztransmission
@DebbieBMoon Have you seen Elementary? Sherlock's Moriarty is fantastic (I adore him), but Elementary's pretty much blew my mind #scriptchat
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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
Justified has terrific run of complex villainy - the ever-evolving Boyd Crowder, thru Robert Quarles & wonderful Mags Bennett.#scriptchat
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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write
#scriptchat @DebbieBMoon @antonsays @NamingJasonCsometimes tho v often dramatic context of Thriller means protag tries to escape first ...
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Claire Yeowart@ClaireYeowart
@DebbieBMoon fantastic villain I agree. Lots of layers. #scriptchat
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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write
@DebbieBMoon @antonsays @NamingJasonC ... & only when escape not an option, engages directly with antag. #scriptchat
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Taro@TaroJ
@ClaireYeowart @miztransmission @teenierussell great choice, how many seasons did it go before CSM even spoke #scriptchat
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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
Very few villains are evil for evil's sake #scriptchat
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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
The nature of the villain changes with genre, in Rom Com for example, the "villain" is more of a love rival @farahabushwesha#scriptchat
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Farah Abushwesha@farahabushwesha
@teenierussell my fav villains are film noir villains - they are seemingly rich and socially powerful and always well dressed#scriptchat
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Taro@TaroJ
@teenierussell all I can think of now is Team America World Police :-) #scriptchat
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat I frequently find myself siding more with nuanced villains than with protagonists (eg, recently, in Star Trek Into darkness)
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Simon Underwood@SiFoulaReel
To write any villain, in any style, you just have to understand what they want & their worldview, same as any other character.#scriptchat
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simon meacock@SimonMeacock
#scriptchat Loved Gus Fring in Breaking Bad. Great villain. Geek on the surface. Total badass underneath.
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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
@teenierussell not every film has a villain. A lot of Rom Coms don't. They have antagonists which don't even have to be people#scriptchat
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BAFTA Rocliffe Forum@rocliffeforum
@Palestrapublica @miztransmission I love the Underbelly. Brilliant baddies. #scriptchat
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Taro@TaroJ
We're half way through #scriptchat talking about character, specifically villains at the moment, but happy to hear about heroes too.
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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
Complex villains with a history with main character interest me Robert Ryan in Wild Bunch #scriptchat
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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
We've talked a lot about thriller or action villains, but a lot of the time in tv this week's villain is one of the main cast. #scriptchat
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @farahabushwesha Film noir villains has me thinking: two types of villain. Some want power, some have it and want to keep it
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Tim Poultney@DreamsofLuxor
@DebbieBMoon A villain that has a point is better than one who has power. It's the old "Elephant in Stiletto Heels" theory#Scriptchat
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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
Just the person who wants something the other characters don't.#scriptchat
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Sophie@miztransmission
@ClaireYeowart @teenierussell Love how #GOT is 1 step away from villainy (Arya) or redemption (Jamie), depending on perspective #scriptchat
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat Villains with power are cool, sophisticated, controlling: those without are unpredictable, dangerous, dynamic
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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@Sandy_Nicholson Vic Mackie was the main character #scriptchat
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Farah Abushwesha@farahabushwesha
Writers do you find it hard to write 1 pg TV & Film treatments? Read @farahabushwesha tips on treatments bit.ly/192X612#scriptchat
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Wallace Brown@NamingJasonC
#TheFall's writer cleverly created a character who skipped between being a brutal antagonist & a scarily hypnotic protagonist.#scriptchat
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Claire Yeowart@ClaireYeowart
@TaroJ @miztransmission @teenierussell near the end of the 1st series I think, after about 20 episodes! #scriptchat
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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write
@TaroJ it's just a FB status, just speculating on how stories change over half a century #scriptchat
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Andrés Serrato H.@Palestrapublica
@SimonMeacock #scriptchat agreed!!! And Walter is becoming a villian in the last seasons
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BAFTA Rocliffe Forum@rocliffeforum
Writers do find it hard to write 1 page TV & Film treatments? Read@farahabushwesha tips on treatments bit.ly/192X612 #scriptchat
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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
@Sandy_Nicholson what's that definition of? #scriptchat
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @MacBullitt @Sandy_Nicholson Yeah, who was villain of The Shield? Capt. Acaveda and his successors. in any other show= good guys
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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@DebbieBMoon I preferred it when they did it the first time! Remains one of the best #scriptchat
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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
@antonsays I'm just saying it's not always good guys bad guys.#scriptchat
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Gordondon@Gordondon
It is similar with Dexter, he is a good guy who does very bad things. #scriptchat
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simon meacock@SimonMeacock
@teenierussell @ClaireYeowart @miztransmission You So want Jofry to get his arse kicked!!! #scriptchat
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @antonsays @teenierussell Undercover cop movies don't have villains. Undercover cop= hero, gang leader = attractor. No villain
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Taro@TaroJ
Question for the readers out there, common flaws in heroes? I'm imagining lack of conflict, too righteous? #scriptchat
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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@DebbieBMoon villains or merely the obstacle towards our character's goal? Anthony Anderson and others were the "villains"#scriptchat
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Taro@TaroJ
@SimonMeacock @teenierussell @ClaireYeowart@miztransmission no redeeming features at all but fantastic character. #scriptchat
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat I hate heroes without flaws. Heroes are people too!
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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
What do you think of characters such as Dexter and Walt (Breaking Bad)? #scriptchat
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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
@antonsays Who a villain is is purely contextual to the situation, it doesn't have to be a concrete foe. #scriptchat
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Claire Yeowart@ClaireYeowart
@SimonMeacock @teenierussell @miztransmission I know, right? I wish Sansa would just punch him! The poor lass #scriptchat
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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
@Sandy_Nicholson I think villain and antagonist are being inter-changed here. A film needs an antagonist but not a villain#scriptchat
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Wallace Brown@NamingJasonC
@robinbellwriter #scriptchat. Exactly. The best villains are the ones that have u nodding when they explain why they do what they do.
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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@DebbieBMoon @antonsays @teenierussell What about Serpico? Villains were bent cops #scriptchat
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Gordondon@Gordondon
@teenierussell I think they are doing an excellent job with Hannibal, especially as the audience know he is a villain#scriptchat
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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
Dexter is a serial killer, we are meant to condemn killers, yet we root for him in every ep! #scriptchat
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The Sitcom Trials@SitcomTrials
Thanks to all #scriptchat readers who entered The Sitcom Trials So You Think You Write Funny. Semi finalists are...sitcomtrials.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/line-u…
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Taro@TaroJ
@teenierussell AWESOME! It really makes you question right and wrong. #scriptchat
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @MacBullitt Damn, flaw in my theory. Back to the drawing board... :)
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @teenierussell Classic of example of pitting a bad person against far worst people. We root for the least bad.
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Wallace Brown@NamingJasonC
@TaroJ @farahabushwesha #scriptchat yes but..."A rose by any other name would smell as sweet". Non? ;-)
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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
@Gordondon I've heard great reviews but not had a chance to watch it yet. #scriptchat
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Farah Abushwesha@farahabushwesha
@TaroJ Because it should be character 1st, politics / issue 2nd if trying to make a point. Character gets lost in plot/politics#scriptchat
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Andrés Serrato H.@Palestrapublica
@MacBullitt @DebbieBMoon @antonsays @teenierussell#scriptchat I think the system is the villian too
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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
@Sandy_Nicholson I always considered a villain as a being and an antagonist any obstacle like a volcano, illness etc #scriptchat
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @teenierussell See also Hannibal, Breaking Bad, Silence Of The Lambs, The Godfather...
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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@DebbieBMoon not really. Serpico and Prince of the City are different. Usually, as U said, target and cop bond #scriptchat
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Farah Abushwesha@farahabushwesha
@NamingJasonC @TaroJ but in a bed of red roses, how does one in particular stand out? #scriptchat
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Gordondon@Gordondon
@Sandy_Nicholson Exactly. He could have easily been protrayed as a moustache-twirling villain, but he is brilliantly written.#scriptchat
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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@Palestrapublica Absolutely @DebbieBMoon @antonsays@teenierussell #scriptchat
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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
@Palestrapublica @MacBullitt @DebbieBMoon @teenierussell@Sandy_Nicholson this is a #scriptchat about characters so my context has been that
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Royston Deitch@37filmsltd
@teenierussell Same with the oriiginal of the species Hannibal Lecter in TSOTL - we root for him but he eats people! #scriptchat
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robinbellwriter@robinbellwriter
#scriptchat my favourite tv hero this year has been Rae from my mad fat diary
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat Maybe intent turns antagonist into a villain. That border guard whose job it is to stop people getting in = antagonist (cont'd)
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat (cont'd) ...but border guard who hates YOU and wants to stop YOU getting into country? Villain.
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Sophie@miztransmission
Also, very recent but I LOVE the heroes/villains dynamic in The Americans. Who's the hero, who's the villain? Layered, complex#scriptchat
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Gordondon@Gordondon
I love Walter White's transformation in Breaking Bad. Vince Gilligan described it as "Mr Chips to Scarface", perfect. #scriptchat
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Fraser Coull@ecossefilmmaker
Writing a #DoctorWho script as a spec to send to agents. Very hard work hitting the beats but loving it. Feels right #scriptchat
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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
@DebbieBMoon I dunno if intent cuts it either though, I mean...#scriptchat
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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
Patrick Bateman in American Psycho is a character I love to hate, there is nothing redeeming about him but I pity the fool#scriptchat
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Fraser Coull@ecossefilmmaker
Once I've finished the 1st draft I'm going to tackle a sitcom pilot that's been running around in my head too #scriptchat
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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
@Gordondon Yeah. It's not enough to just make him conflicted, the conflicting sides have to be interesting. #scriptchat
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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
Michael Caffee is another villainous main character #scriptchat
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Wallace Brown@NamingJasonC
@DebbieBMoon @Bang2write #scriptchat...as well as the antagonist highlighting the antagonistic traits in the protagonist.
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Rosie Claverton@rosieclaverton
Ack! #scriptchat and #askagent happening simultaneously - and I need to write this graphic novel script. *reluctantly slinks away*
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Farah Abushwesha@farahabushwesha
Writers wondered what extract to send @BAFTA @rocliffeforum? Here are some tips, on @farahabushwesha blog bit.ly/12pMSZK#scriptchat
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BAFTA Rocliffe Forum@rocliffeforum
Writers wondered what extract to send @BAFTA @rocliffeforum? Here are some tips, on @farahabushwesha blog bit.ly/12pMSZK#scriptchat
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simon meacock@SimonMeacock
@Bang2write gave a great note about the antagonist believing they are the hero. #scriptchat
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @NamingJasonC @Bang2write Yes! the villain has to sting the hero in finding out about his own dark side (and rejecting it)
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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
@flightrisker Make sure to use the #scriptchat hashtag so others can join in :-)
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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@DebbieBMoon @Bang2write @NamingJasonC That would definitely qualify power struggles in things like Godfather#scriptchat
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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
@NamingJasonC @DebbieBMoon @Bang2write it's common that the protag takes some traits from the antag to succeed. #scriptchat
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Gordondon@Gordondon
Shouldn't a good villain have similar traits to the hero, but a different perspective? #scriptchat
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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@SimonMeacock Which is essentially what Nottingham was about before rewrites @Bang2write #scriptchat
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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
@DebbieBMoon @NamingJasonC @Bang2write or absorbing his dark side to defeat the antag. A protag kills a killer etc #scriptchat
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @Gordondon Probably. but also be sufficiently different that hero has to change his game to overcome him. A challenge.
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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
@Gordondon in many ways, yes. They use their traits differently. The protags dark side #scriptchat
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Wallace Brown@NamingJasonC
@DebbieBMoon @Bang2write #scriptchat Not always. Take the Wizard of Oz. We start with the adorable Dorothy & her cute little doggy :-)
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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
@Gordondon XMen - Magneto and Prof X have very similar goals but different ways of achieving them #scriptchat
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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
@DebbieBMoon @Gordondon Luke and Darth Vader have a lot of similar traits. It's very literal in that film. #scriptchat
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Taro@TaroJ
@NamingJasonC @DebbieBMoon @Bang2write though she does squash a witch with a house #scriptchat
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_@flightrisker
@DavidTKelleher @teenierussell #scriptchat True but the set up is still broken (IMO). We know too much. We explicitly know what H is up to
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat @NamingJasonC @Bang2write True. A movie with an inciting incident that's accidental (twister)
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_@flightrisker
@DavidTKelleher @teenierussell #scriptchat which keeps us too far ahead of our protag, and we even know more than Hannibal to a degree.
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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
I'm watching Buffy at the moment, love evil Angel! #scriptchat
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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
The problem with having a rule of what makes a good villain is it encourages a very boxed ticked approach to them. #scriptchat
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Taro@TaroJ
Thanks everyone for a great #scriptchat that went amazingly fast, now to watch some Breaking Bad
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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
"if I do this my villain will be great" that's not always the case. All these are ideas but they can't be viewed as the answer. #scriptchat
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon
#scriptchat Okay, The White Queen is starting. Thanks, everyone!
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Ruzzle Kicks@antonsays
#scriptchat sadly, time is Scriptchat's biggest antagonist.
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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
@antonsays SPOILER ALERT - like father like son #scriptchat
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Sandy Nicholson@Sandy_Nicholson
In the end it's like the definition of obscenity. We don't know what it is but we know it when we see it. #scriptchat
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Sophie@miztransmission
@teenierussell Angel was going to be my other TV suggestion!#scriptchat
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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@Sandy_Nicholson Agreed. Oftentimes, bigger is not necessarily better either #scriptchat
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Teenie Russell@teenierussell
Thank you to everyone that joined in the chat, you've been wonderful as always! #scriptchat
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Royston Deitch@37filmsltd
@teenierussell Night night and don't have nightmares! #scriptchat
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Mac McSharry@MacBullitt
@teenierussell Some great stuff to think on. Thanks all!#scriptchat
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_@flightrisker
@DavidTKelleher @teenierussell I dunno, I'm not caught up on it yet so it might change but the formula now (ep8) is just making#scriptchat
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_@flightrisker
@DavidTKelleher @teenierussell me wish they could surprise me. Which they still might :) #scriptchat
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