Transcript from Script Night - DUNE Sept. 5, 2010

Discussion of the script and movie DUNE.Or how not to write a screenplay  Dive into the EURO transcript to see what they thought.  USA chat talked DUNE too. Guest moderators, @nate_winslow and @GoIntoTheStory. Enjoy @yeah_write

EURO  & USA moderators: Guests @nate_winslow and @GoIntoTheStory

Euro Chat

6:54 pm                 nate_winslow:                  My apologies, followers--I'm guest-moderating over at #scriptchat in the next few mins for an hour. Dune script-related tweets incoming.

7:00 pm                DreamsGrafter:                #SCRIPTCHAT O'CLOCK ... We'll be discussing the DUNE screenplay with @nate_winslow.

7:01 pm                DreamsGrafter:                Thank you @nate_winslow for taking time out this evening to discuss DUNE ... #scriptchat

7:01 pm                booksbelow:      Can we fire away with questions yet? #scriptchat

7:01 pm                nate_winslow: Pleasure to be here :) #scriptchat

7:02 pm                DreamsGrafter:                So where shall we start the discussion @nate_winslow? ... It really was an example of what not to do and why ... #scriptchat

7:02 pm                sweettweenie:                 afraid I only reaa the beginning so will be lurking w/ Dune alternate cut on TV #scriptchat

7:03 pm                nate_winslow: Yeah, lets get it started! General thought: what major part of the script didnt work for you? Dialog? Plot? Chars? #scriptchat

7:03 pm                DreamsGrafter:                Absolutely! RT @booksbelow: Can we fire away with questions yet? #scriptchat

7:03 pm                booksbelow:      Q. Was it too big and complex a novel to be successfully reduced to just on screenplay? #scriptchat

7:03 pm                filmutopia:          #scriptchat Just lurking, nothing useful to say on this topic

7:04 pm                sweettweenie:                 I was mostly confused with all the different species #scriptchat

7:04 pm                DreamsGrafter:                All three! haha. RT @nate_winslow: General thought: what major part of the script didnt work for you? Dialog? Plot? Chars? #scriptchat

7:04 pm                sweettweenie:                 I found it hard to get past the beginning, and so much description... #scriptchat

7:05 pm                booksbelow:      Think simplified wrong parts, Lynch was wrong person to do the film. He was experimenting with a 'sacred' text. #scriptchat

7:05 pm                nate_winslow: @booksbelow A: No. But in the case of this particular version, apparently :). Attempted to be too faithful = disaster. #scriptchat

7:05 pm                sweettweenie:                 ditto RT @DreamsGrafter: All three! RT @nate_winslow: what major part of the script didnt work for you? Dialog? Plot? Chars? #scriptchat

7:05 pm                DreamsGrafter:                Not sure if my thoughts will be useful either. Didn't get it. RT @filmutopia: #scriptchat Just lurking, nothing useful to say on topic

7:06 pm                sweettweenie:                 apparently Lynch turned down Return of the Jedi to do Dune #scriptchat

7:06 pm                booksbelow:      You have to be faithful to underlying feel and concept when doing adaptions, not all the details obviously. #scriptchat

7:07 pm                nate_winslow: @booksbelow Yeah, not his material. @sweettweenie True! Kinda glad he did I think... #scriptchat

7:07 pm                sweettweenie:                 it was probably made for fans, who already knew the story #scriptchat

7:08 pm                nate_winslow: @booksbelow Right on. Thats what I wanted to focus on. What could DL have done better 2 streamline story, keep the feel of books #scriptchat

7:08 pm                booksbelow:      Lynch was experimenting a lot with this he admitted, he didn't get the feel of the Dune universe. #scriptchat

7:08 pm                DreamsGrafter:                Wow, really? RT @sweettweenie: apparently Lynch turned down Return of the Jedi to do Dune #scriptchat

7:08 pm                booksbelow:      Sorry, war really waiting for this chat, will try to be quiet for awhile! :-) #scriptchat

7:09 pm                nate_winslow: @DreamsGrafter Yep. Weird to think how that would have looked. #scriptchat

7:09 pm                nate_winslow: @booksbelow Don't be silly! Talk is the point of this :). While reading, did you have smthing specific u would have changed? #scriptchat

7:10 pm                filmutopia:          #scriptchat Just to give people some perspective, this is a movie which grossed $31M (lifetime)

7:10 pm                DreamsGrafter:                Objectify story/chars. RT @nate_winslow: @booksbelow What could DL have done better 2 streamline story, keep the feel of books #scriptchat

7:10 pm                booksbelow:      The intricacy of the intrigue was really simplified, but somehow more confusing to follow then in book. #scriptchat

7:11 pm                nate_winslow: @filmutopia And cost $45 mil too. @DreamsGrafter Elaborate on that? I thought he could have done away with some smaller chars #scriptchat

7:11 pm                booksbelow:      Also, all the voice/inner voice was a little confusing. And way too much focus on depraved Harkonians and their blood plugs! #scriptchat

7:11 pm                sweettweenie:                 I was trying to understand all the VO. Were they thinking or telepathic? Was hard to tell at times, but could just be me... #scriptchat

7:12 pm                DreamsGrafter:                I hated all the internal thoughts being expressed through voice over ... we need action to identify w/ characters not words. #scriptchat

7:12 pm                nate_winslow: Agreed on all counts. The voice over was pretty...terrible. And omnipotent. It served only to tell us things we could have seen. #scriptchat

7:13 pm                booksbelow:      Harlan Ellison later said it was poorly received by critics because of problems with them seeing screenings. #scriptchat

7:13 pm                filmutopia:          @nate_winslow Yeap, it made a loss. Wrong budget, wrong director, studio overestimated the value of the franchise. It happens #scriptchat

7:13 pm                DreamsGrafter:                @nate_winslow Also, didn't need to explain backstory unless it played in2 the plot. I don't mind learning as the story unravels. #scriptchat

7:14 pm                davidpbaker:     If you want to chat about screenwriting, #scriptchat is now rocking and rolling!

7:14 pm                DreamsGrafter:                RT @nate_winslow: Agreed on all counts. The voice over was pretty...terrible. And omnipotent. It served only to tell us things we could have seen. #scriptchat

7:14 pm                nate_winslow: @filmutopia The Golden Compass knows how that feels. #scriptchat

7:15 pm                booksbelow:      In book, bene gesserit were acute observors, not telepathic, too much psychic & telepathic stuff in script was confusing I think #scriptchat

7:15 pm                nate_winslow: @DreamsGrafter Tough job for sci-fi. There HAS to be exposition about the universe of film, but take 2 long and audience is lost #scriptchat

7:15 pm                sdarancette:      Slightly off-topic but I just watched the trailer for the DUNE movie. Great trailer! Makes me want to see it again. #scriptchat

7:15 pm                filmutopia:          @nate_winslow The studio misjudged that one. Great franchise, great movie. #scriptchat

7:15 pm                DreamsGrafter:                Just thinking tht Lucas focused on Hero's journey w/ Luke Skywalker - how did Lynch try 2 help us identify w/ Dune's protagnist? #scriptchat

7:16 pm                DreamsGrafter:                RT @nate_winslow: @DreamsGrafter Tough job for sci-fi. There HAS to be exposition about the universe of film, but take 2 long and audience is lost #scriptchat

7:16 pm                nate_winslow: @filmutopia Yeah that was a huge loss. Amazing property. Maybe we'll try again ten years down the road. #scriptchat

7:17 pm                booksbelow:      Dune's hero was more a messiah figure than a hero, difficult to fit into standard formula #scriptchat

7:17 pm                nate_winslow: @DreamsGrafter Sort of exposes the major problem right there. There wasnt really anything done in that regard was there? #scriptchat

7:17 pm                DreamsGrafter:                @nate_winslow Cld the rules of the world not be established visually? - I'm thinking of Inception. #scriptchat *no spoilers please ppl*

7:18 pm                amesmonde:     RT @davidpbaker: If you want to chat about screenwriting, #scriptchat is now rocking and rolling!

7:18 pm                nate_winslow: @booksbelow True but I sympathized and rooted for him in the book. @DreamsGrafter The LOTR prologue? A "visual history" #scriptchat

7:19 pm                filmutopia:          @DreamsGrafter IMO Dune was a better project than Star Wars. I would have passed on that script. On paper Star Wars is dreadful. #scriptchat

7:21 pm                nate_winslow: @DreamsGrafter Or even by the time Act I finishes! First act was pure exposition here, and no character development. #alsofail #scriptchat

7:22 pm                DreamsGrafter:                Thanks David! x RT @davidpbaker: If you want to chat about screenwriting, #scriptchat is now rocking and rolling!

7:22 pm                booksbelow:      Also, so many different people were involved in script and production over the years-it was a project that bounced around a lot #scriptchat

7:23 pm                filmutopia:          @DreamsGrafter #scriptchat with sci-fi you need a writer who understands the ground rules, but who isn't obsessed with recreating the book

7:23 pm                JontyJamesM:   Re: Dune, people need to accept there is such a thing as an unfilmable novel. Ditto Watchmen. #scriptchat

7:23 pm                DreamsGrafter:                @booksbelow That would also contribute to the confusion I'm sure. #scriptchat

7:23 pm                booksbelow:      RT @filmutopia: with sci-fi you need a writer who understands the ground rules, but who isnt obsessed with recreating the book #scriptchat

7:23 pm                DreamsGrafter:                RT @filmutopia: @DreamsGrafter #scriptchat with sci-fi you need a writer who understands the ground rules, but who isn't obsessed with recreating the book

7:23 pm                Bang2write:        @filmutopia I often get incredulous looks when I say I loathe Star Wars - on paper AND screen #scriptchat

7:23 pm                DreamsGrafter:                RT @JontyJamesM: Re: Dune, people need to accept there is such a thing as an unfilmable novel. Ditto Watchmen. #scriptchat

7:24 pm                filmutopia:          @DreamsGrafter You only have to watch the movie to see how rotten the script was. Worst dialogue of any major movie #scriptchat

7:24 pm                Bang2write:        @filmutopia I honestly don't see how writers/filmmakers can think of it as "good", but perhaps it was a zeitgeist thing #scriptchat

7:24 pm                DreamsGrafter:                @nate_winslow Also, the final act there seemed to be more new characters being introduced and exposition. #scriptchat

7:25 pm                nate_winslow: @DreamsGrafter Definitely. A second first act, almost. And by then, the pace was already dead in the water. Didnt help it any... #scriptchat

7:25 pm                booksbelow:      @DreamsGrafter I think they were setting up for sequels of other books in Dune series that never happened #scriptchat

7:26 pm                Bang2write:        @filmutopia I've been told there was nothin like it b4 & it changed everything, I can *see* that... But still can't get on board #scriptchat

7:26 pm                Wecoachwriting:              RT @Linda_Ruocco: RT @TheScriptLab: Name That Character: Top 10 Tips http://bit.ly/bOjzoE #screenwriting #writing #amwriting #scriptchat

7:26 pm                filmutopia:          @JontyJamesM #scriptchat Watchmen isn't unfilmable. It just needed restructuring and Terry Gilliam at the helm (was his project for years)

7:26 pm                DreamsGrafter:                @filmutopia @Bang2Write You guys talking about Star Wars? Bad dialogue but I did engage w/ chars' relationships. *crucial* #scriptchat

7:27 pm                chained:               I'd read #dune b4 seeing the film for my 1st time in late 90s & it's actually a pretty good job considering how long the book is #scriptchat

7:27 pm                Bang2write:        I do recall watching DUNE as a child and thinking it was nuts - if a kid thinks that, there can't be much hope? #scriptchat

7:27 pm                sweettweenie:                 I quite liked Watchmen, but haven't read it. Sorry, off topic now #scriptchat

7:27 pm                filmutopia:          @Bang2write It did change everything, but it was the creation of ILM, not the script that made Star Wars #scriptchat

7:27 pm                DreamsGrafter:                @nate_winslow A 2nd first act also sets up expectation. I was thinking oh, who are these guys? Shld I have known them all along? #scriptchat

7:28 pm                Bang2write:        @DreamsGrafter I couldn't even do that - perhaps cos of the bad dialogue, so stilted. #scriptchat

7:28 pm                nate_winslow: @Bang2write Just re-watched it yesterday--played like a demented big budget cartoon, almost. Product of the 80s for sure. #scriptchat

7:29 pm                Bang2write:        @filmutopia Do you mean Industrial Lights & Magic? Because yeah, now you mention it that makes more sense now #scriptchat

7:29 pm                nate_winslow: @DreamsGrafter Which is death. If someone has to stop and ask, wait, have we meet these guys before? you've lost the reader. #scriptchat

7:29 pm                jokeandbiagio: RT @davidpbaker: If you want to chat about screenwriting, #scriptchat is now rocking and rolling!

7:29 pm                sweettweenie:                 I found myself re-reading parts thinking I'd missed something. Not a smooth reading script #scriptchat

7:29 pm                DreamsGrafter:                @booksbelow Ah right, I wish they'd focused on just telling a good story. Such a great cast. #scriptchat

7:29 pm                booksbelow:      Really feel trying to do Dune in one film wasn't workable, was such an interwoven universe, was too much couldn't leave out. #scriptchat

7:29 pm                Bang2write:        @nate_winslow I really remember Sting being in it with no shirt and a manic look on his face - spooky! #scriptchat

7:30 pm                DreamsGrafter:                RT @nate_winslow: @DreamsGrafter Which is death. If someone has to stop and ask, wait, have we meet these guys before? you've lost the reader. #scriptchat

7:30 pm                DreamsGrafter:                Thx guys! x RT @jokeandbiagio: RT @davidpbaker: If you want to chat about screenwriting, #scriptchat is now rocking and rolling!

7:30 pm                JontyJamesM:   @filmutopia You can physically film it, but it only works as a comic. It's like turning a symphony into a painting. #scriptchat

7:30 pm                nate_winslow: Q: To streamline the story from such a big source, what do you focus on? What sacrifices do you have to make for the story? #scriptchat

7:30 pm                filmutopia:          @Bang2write Yeap. They are the guys. Lucas reinvented special effects in Hollywood. #scriptchat

7:31 pm                sweettweenie:                 lol RT @Bang2write: @nate_winslow I really remember Sting being in it with no shirt and a manic look on his face - spooky! #scriptchat

7:31 pm                nate_winslow: @Bang2write Etched into my retina :( #scriptchat

7:31 pm                DreamsGrafter:                We're discussing DUNE on EURO #SCRIPTCHAT w/ @nate_winslow. Come, jump in. Another 30 minutes to go. Everyone welcome! x

7:31 pm                DreamsGrafter:                RT @sweettweenie: I found myself re-reading parts thinking I'd missed something. Not a smooth reading script #scriptchat

7:32 pm                filmutopia:          @JontyJamesM #scriptchat Difficult to explain, but whilst it was a Gilliam project, I worked on a treatment. I wanted that gig. It is doable

7:32 pm                DreamsGrafter:                @nate_winslow Re plot, which I was confused with, how do you think Lynch cld have made it clearer? #scriptchat

7:32 pm                booksbelow:      @nate_winslow Would think you have to drop a lot of characters. #scriptchat

7:33 pm                Bang2write:        @filmutopia do u rmbr WILLOW? I LOVED that movie as a child, perhaps Lucas is better as producer w/another director like Howard? #scriptchat

7:33 pm                filmutopia:          #scriptchat Can I just say, that I don't believe in the idea of the "unadaptable novel" - some are just harder than others

7:33 pm                sweettweenie:                 Apparently they did Dune and Children of Dune both as mini-series. haven't seen them though so not sure if they worked better #scriptchat

7:33 pm                DreamsGrafter:                The protagonist's goal. Keep it simple. RT @nate_winslow: Q: To streamline the story from such a big source, what do u focus on? #scriptchat

7:33 pm                nate_winslow: @DreamsGrafter Id make it more about Paul. He's the hero, but he gets lost in exchange for the "galactic intrigue." Bad tradeoff #scriptchat

7:34 pm                filmutopia:          @Bang2write Yes, I remember Willow. Good movie. #scriptchat - I'm more of a Bladerunner/Brazil fan myself

7:34 pm                DreamsGrafter:                Backstory & characters that don't serve main plot. RT @nate_winslow: What sacrifices do you have to make for the story? #scriptchat

7:34 pm                Bang2write:        Agree 100% RT @filmutopia #scriptchat I don't believe in the idea of the "unadaptable novel" - some are just harder than others

7:34 pm                nate_winslow: @DreamsGrafter And lose some of the chars that just seem like theyre there to please fans of books but dont do anything in film. #scriptchat

7:34 pm                DreamsGrafter:                RT @booksbelow: @nate_winslow Would think you have to drop a lot of characters. #scriptchat

7:34 pm                momentsoffilm:               A belated hello #scriptchat. I have not read DUNE and I am just home full of roast dinner but will stick my twopenneth in anyways! :D

7:34 pm                sweettweenie:                 Willow is cool, just watched it again recently #scriptchat

7:35 pm                nate_winslow: Ditto for me. RT @Bang2write: Agree 100% RT @filmutopia #scriptchat I dont believe in the idea of the "unadaptable novel" #scriptchat

7:35 pm                DreamsGrafter:                RT @nate_winslow: @DreamsGrafter Id make it more about Paul. He's the hero, but he gets lost in exchange for the "galactic intrigue." Bad tradeoff #scriptchat

7:35 pm                booksbelow:      @filmutopia Kind of gathered that (unadaptable novel), I agree but think some don't fit into one film. They lose too much. #scriptchat

7:35 pm                DreamsGrafter:                RT @nate_winslow: @DreamsGrafter And lose some of the chars that just seem like theyre there to please fans of books but dont do anything in film. #scriptchat

7:36 pm                Bang2write:        I know a prof writer who did a big adaptation gig recently & reckoned he had to "invent 80% of the plot" - author still loved it #scriptchat

7:36 pm                nate_winslow: Paul had no journey. He never had to DO anything. He either magically realized things, or effortlessly overcame. No tension. #scriptchat

7:36 pm                DreamsGrafter:                @momentsoffilm Welcome! Glad you can make it. I know you love the film. Have you got any thoughts to defend script? #debate #scriptchat

7:36 pm                filmutopia:          @booksbelow It's a different animal is all. Great movies can come from great books, if the right team get them #scriptchat

7:37 pm                Bang2write:        Sometimes taking the "seed of the story" provides a better film from a novel - fans of the novel need to realise that? #scriptchat

7:37 pm                DreamsGrafter:                RT @nate_winslow: Paul had no journey. He never had to DO anything. He either magically realized things, or effortlessly overcame. No tension. #scriptchat

7:37 pm                chained:               Good scfi #totalrecall #bladerunner #starwars utter crap scifi I had to stop watching #watchmen a true contender for #worstfilm #scriptchat

7:37 pm                janetvaneeden:               @momentsoffilm Me too I've just popped in and didn't read script so listening in to #scriptchat and @dreamsgrafter.Couldn't download script!

7:37 pm                TaroJ:    #scriptchat haven't read it either but I have the novel and seen the mini series. It gives more explanation and feels more structured...

7:37 pm                DreamsGrafter:                So by the end I didn't really care whether he'd achieved his goal or not. RT @nate_winslow: Paul had no journey. #scriptchat

7:38 pm                filmutopia:          @Bang2write I'd love to be doing adaptation and reboot work. I'd be happy as a pig in shit. #scriptchat

7:38 pm                booksbelow:      @filmutopia Sure, we could fit it into a half hour twilight zone episode, but it's not Dune then, just the same name! :-) #scriptchat

7:38 pm                nate_winslow: @TaroJ Always a huge advantage miniseries will have over film--more time! #scriptchat

7:38 pm                DreamsGrafter:                @janetvaneeden Oh no! I'm sorry you couldn't download the script. Have you seen the film? So glad you cld pop in. :) #scriptchat

7:39 pm                TaroJ:    #scriptchat but I love lynchs visual style and that shaped how I pictured the story in my head when reading the book.

7:39 pm                janetvaneeden:               RT @DreamsGrafter: The protagonist's goal. Keep it simple. RT @nate_winslow: Q: To streamline the story from such a big source, what do u focus on? #scriptchat

7:39 pm                momentsoffilm:               @DreamsGrafter Yes! I am very very familiar with the books & thought the film adaptation was great and successful. #scriptchat

7:39 pm                filmutopia:          @booksbelow I think the trick is to make the movie for an audience who haven't read the books, not for those who love them #scriptchat

7:39 pm                DreamsGrafter:                @TaroJ Miniseries is interesting ... I bet it makes more sense bc it's not crammed in. Welcome! #scriptchat

7:39 pm                momentsoffilm:               @DreamsGrafter For me it captured the essence of the novels without being slavish to them. #scriptchat

7:39 pm                InkyQuills:           #scriptchat - recently tasked to adapt optioned screenplay for stage - took blinking ages - the amount of vehicles I had to shed...

7:40 pm                DreamsGrafter:                Pls tell us why. RT @momentsoffilm: I am very very familiar w/ the books & thought the film adaptation was great and successful. #scriptchat

7:40 pm                JontyJamesM:   LOTR was 'unfilmable' as a 2hr movie; not as a 13hr trilogy. Yes, anything can be adapted, but not always as standard movie. #scriptchat

7:40 pm                janetvaneeden:               @DreamsGrafter Haven't seen the film either so pretty useless here! Have read novel so enjoying reading about adaptations #scriptchat

7:40 pm                booksbelow:      @filmutopia True, but keeping in mind the fanbase is why they willing to make the movie. Somehow have to straddle both. #scriptchat

7:40 pm                nate_winslow: @momentsoffilm Im a huge fan of the books, but tried to read script like Id never read the books. Didnt work from that angle. #scriptchat

7:41 pm                sweettweenie:                 RT @filmutopia: I think the trick is to make the movie for an audience who havent read the books, not for those who love them #scriptchat

7:41 pm                DreamsGrafter:                @momentsoffilm Did the characters work for you in the film? And do u think you'd understand the plot w/out having read the book? #scriptchat

7:41 pm                chained:               #avatar writers ripped off #dune , the worm legend they can be ridden v the flyingdragon thing in avatar legend theycan be flown #scriptchat

7:42 pm                nate_winslow: This RT @filmutopia: I think the trick is to make the movie for audience who havent read the books, not for those who love them #scriptchat

7:42 pm                booksbelow:      Fun to be ripping up a script for a change instead of just talking about how wonderful it is! :-) #scriptchat

7:42 pm                DreamsGrafter:                @janetvaneeden I've read the script & watched the film - am still useless. ;) Yes, this is a good adaptation case-study indeed. #scriptchat

7:42 pm                TaroJ:    #scriptchat I agree it's by no means a perfect film but had a huge effect on me. Without dune I would never have sought out eraserhead

7:42 pm                DreamsGrafter:                Totally. RT @filmutopia: trick is to make the movie for an audience who havent read the books, not for those who love them #scriptchat

7:43 pm                khanb1:                @nate_winslow @DreamsGrafter I'm loving the #scriptchat

7:43 pm                momentsoffilm:               @DreamsGrafter I thought the voice box things were dynamo as a simple way to visibly see a higher form of power in the fremen. #scriptchat

7:43 pm                filmutopia:          #scriptchat It's almost impossible to win the battle with Sci-fi adaptations. I'm a sci-fi fan, so I know what assholes we can be.

7:43 pm                DreamsGrafter:                *that makes us smile* Welcome! :) RT @khanb1: @nate_winslow @DreamsGrafter I'm loving the #scriptchat

7:44 pm                momentsoffilm:               @DreamsGrafter Something that wouldn't have been so easy to explain otherwise. He kept the ideas big and easy to grasp. #scriptchat

7:44 pm                DreamsGrafter:                @TaroJ Lynch is the King of the subjective isn't he? #scriptchat

7:44 pm                TaroJ:    RT @filmutopia: #scriptchat It's almost impossible to win the battle with Sci-fi adaptations. I'm a sci-fi fan, so I know what assholes we can be.

7:44 pm                nate_winslow: @khanb1 Thanks! Glad to have you pop in. Join us. #scriptchat

7:44 pm                chained:               #dune in UK cinema around 1986? Me aged 10 I'd never read the book then & heard no publicity it was on , 1mate saw it & liked it #scriptchat

7:44 pm                janetvaneeden:               RT @DreamsGrafter: Totally. RT @filmutopia: trick is to make the movie for an audience who havent read the books, not for those who love them #scriptchat

7:44 pm                LadyEleanorA:   RT @Wecoachwriting: RT @Linda_Ruocco: RT @TheScriptLab: Name That Character: Top 10 Tips http://bit.ly/bOjzoE #screenwriting #writing #amwriting #scriptchat

7:44 pm                booksbelow:      @filmutopia Best SF films come from scripts based on story concept, then expanded into book later- #scriptchat

7:45 pm                nate_winslow: @filmutopia Haha so true. The Alien reboot is making me nervous. #scriptchat

7:45 pm                filmutopia:          #scriptchat Did someone mention Eraserhead? Ha, now that's a film I can chunter on about! hahahahaha

7:45 pm                sweettweenie:                 first sci-fi script I've read. Am interested in reading another now just to compare... #scriptchat

7:45 pm                momentsoffilm:               @DreamsGrafter The characters so memorable. Paul is almost a pawn until he fulfills his training. The Baron, Feyd Rautha,.. #scriptchat

7:46 pm                DreamsGrafter:                @momentsoffilm I have to admit, I couldn't grasp much whilst reading and watching. Wish I'd known the book. #scriptchat

7:46 pm                janetvaneeden:               RT @booksbelow: @filmutopia Best SF films come from scripts based on story concept, then expanded into book later- #scriptchat

7:46 pm                shericandler:      #scriptchat and interesting post on scriptwriting competitions, how to evaluate http://bit.ly/8ZNACW

7:46 pm                momentsoffilm:               @DreamsGrafter In fact I think there's a great deal of the very best forms of exposition in this film.They work without boring. #scriptchat

7:47 pm                nate_winslow: @momentsoffilm In the book, yes! In the movie? Eh. #scriptchat

7:47 pm                chained:               When #dune out most kids still only into #starwars as simple to follow & more childish , dune requires higher iq good book& film #scriptchat

7:47 pm                filmutopia:          @booksbelow I don't know. My top five are Bladerunner; Brazil; 2001; Alien; Aliens - none of those fit that description #scriptchat

7:47 pm                TaroJ:    #scriptchat there's an alien reboot NOOO! Remakes get me up on my soapbox

7:47 pm                nate_winslow: @momentsoffilm Re: the memorable characters #scriptchat

7:47 pm                AlexisNiki:           Jumping in to say a quick hello. Can't stay tonight but have fun everyone! #scriptchat

7:48 pm                Bang2write:        @filmutopia uh-oh, did someone mention ERASERHEAD?! That's on my hit list... LOL #scriptchat

7:48 pm                filmutopia:          @nate_winslow I'm good with it. They've pick a steep mountain to climb, that's for sure. #scriptchat

7:48 pm                DreamsGrafter:                @AlexisNiki Hi! Thanks for popping in ... Have a great week Alexis! #scriptchat

7:49 pm                sweettweenie:                 @AlexisNiki hello :-) #scriptchat

7:49 pm                momentsoffilm:               @nate_winslow You don't think so? I loved them. The Shadout Mapes! Wonderful. The Duke, so stern. They have stayed with me. #scriptchat

7:49 pm                TaroJ:    #scriptchat brazil is one to read just so you don't think all SF scripts are like Dune

7:49 pm                InkyQuills:           Now, the Dune computer game was ace #scriptchat

7:49 pm                JLichtenberg:     RT @momentsoffilm: @DreamsGrafter In fact I think there's a great deal of the very best forms of exposition in this film.They work without boring. #scriptchat

7:49 pm                booksbelow:      @filmutopia 2001 came from a short story called Sentinel by Clarke, was what I was thinking of actually. #scriptchat

7:49 pm                DreamsGrafter:                10 more minutes to go on EURO #SCRIPTCHAT ... Last thoughts on DUNE ... Cld it be remade? Will someone give it another chance? #scriptchat

7:50 pm                nate_winslow: @filmutopia K2-steep. But. If anyones gonna do it, really glad its Ridley and Jon Spaihts--LOVED his Shadow 19 script. #scriptchat

7:50 pm                Bang2write:        @TaroJ but why? I LOVE Alien but young/teen audiences think it's a reaaaaallllllly slow starter, things change #scriptchat

7:50 pm                DreamsGrafter:                Must say (not script related) - the production design was amazing in DUNE. #scriptchat

7:50 pm                Jipsi:      .RT @davidpbaker: If you want to chat about screenwriting, #scriptchat is now rocking and rolling!

7:50 pm                filmutopia:          @booksbelow OK, yes. The best movies tend to come from short stories. Yes, I agree. #scriptchat

7:50 pm                momentsoffilm:               @nate_winslow I think I am still a bit in love with Duncan Idaho. I could never, on reading the books see him with black hair. #scriptchat

7:50 pm                sweettweenie:                 @DreamsGrafter I'd watch a remake if someone tried to give it another go #scriptchat

7:51 pm                JLichtenberg:     #scriptchat I can't recall anyone SF fan or not who saw DUNE the film and did not say you had to read the book first

7:51 pm                DreamsGrafter:                @momentsoffilm With exposition so blantantly conveyed, I was surprised I wasn't getting all the info. I wasn't engaged. #scriptchat

7:51 pm                momentsoffilm:               @Bang2write @filmutopia I love ERASERHEAD, it's awesome. #scriptchat

7:51 pm                nate_winslow: @momentsoffilm I thought they were almost caricatures. Shadout was great, but Baron? Rabban? Duncan? Just sketched out for me. #scriptchat

7:51 pm                DreamsGrafter:                @momentsoffilm Too much info to take in. #scriptchat

7:51 pm                sweettweenie:                 @Bang2write agree. I liked Alien when I first watched it. I watched it again recently and was bored. #scriptchat

7:52 pm                janetvaneeden:               RT @JLichtenberg: #scriptchat I can't recall anyone SF fan or not who saw DUNE the film and did not say you had to read the book first

7:52 pm                nate_winslow: Oh, and they ARE remaking DUNE. Pierre Morel (Taken) is directing. 2012-ish release date. #scriptchat

7:52 pm                TaroJ:    #scriptchat as a mini series it already has been remade and did well. I really don't think anyone would have the balls to remake it as...

7:52 pm                DreamsGrafter:                Me too. RT @sweettweenie: @DreamsGrafter I'd watch a remake if someone tried to give it another go #scriptchat

7:52 pm                booksbelow:      @filmutopia Those are some of my favorites too with exception of Brazil, love Gilliam usually. I know I'm minority about Brazil. #scriptchat

7:52 pm                DreamsGrafter:                @JLichtenberg Welcome!! :)) Thanks for popping into Euro #scriptchat.

7:52 pm                DreamsGrafter:                RT @JLichtenberg: #scriptchat I can't recall anyone SF fan or not who saw DUNE the film and did not say you had to read the book first

7:52 pm                momentsoffilm:               @DreamsGrafter There was a TV series made closer to the books. It didn't have the same impact/grandeour of the film I felt. #scriptchat

7:52 pm                Leonashanana:                 RT @JLichtenberg: #scriptchat I can't recall anyone SF fan or not who saw DUNE the film and did not say you had to read the book first

7:53 pm                filmutopia:          #scriptchat Yeap, Eraserhead is one of those movies that separates the goats from the sheep. It's proper cinephile territory

7:53 pm                Bang2write:        Since reboots/remakes have come up, FYI the @londonswf blog has a post about it today: www.facebook.com/londonswf (thanks Mina) #scriptchat

7:53 pm                nate_winslow: RT @DreamsGrafter: @momentsoffilm With exposition so blantant, I was surprised I wasnt getting all the info. I wasnt engaged. #scriptchat

7:53 pm                DreamsGrafter:                Wow, v. interesting! RT @nate_winslow: Oh, and they ARE remaking DUNE. Pierre Morel (Taken) is directing. 2012-ish release date. #scriptchat

7:53 pm                chained:               No need to remake #dune 1 film is enough , move on adapt other great books & I'm not interested in any sequels to dune #scriptchat

7:53 pm                filmutopia:          @booksbelow Yeap, just you and the distrinutors! hahahahhaha #scriptchat

7:53 pm                booksbelow:      RT @JLichtenberg: I cant recall anyone SF fan or not who saw DUNE the film and did not say you had to read the book first #scriptchat

7:53 pm                janetvaneeden:               RT @DreamsGrafter: Wow, v. interesting! RT @nate_winslow: Oh, and they ARE remaking DUNE. Pierre Morel (Taken) is directing. 2012-ish release date. #scriptchat

7:53 pm                TaroJ:    #scriptchat a film it has cult status now and a troubled history. As for unfilmable / cursed movies don quioxte?

7:53 pm                momentsoffilm:               @nate_winslow Ahh.. that's the perspective the film takes though, and is also true of the books to some extent I thought. #scriptchat

7:53 pm                Bang2write:        @momentsoffilm @filmutopia I HATE Earaserhead for very personal reasons, let's just say that #scriptchat

7:54 pm                kirakar:                 True! RT @JLichtenberg: #scriptchat I can't recall anyone SF fan or not who saw DUNE the film and did not say you had to read the book first

7:54 pm                Bang2write:        @sweettweenie oh no, I will always adore ALIEN, but can see why new generations think it's dull to start with #scriptchat

7:55 pm                janetvaneeden:               RT @TaroJ: #scriptchat a film it has cult status now and a troubled history. As for unfilmable / cursed movies don quioxte?

7:55 pm                nate_winslow: @momentsoffilm Each unto their own :). The acting might be my barrier. Jessica furiously whispered everyone of her lines. #scriptchat

7:55 pm                DreamsGrafter:                Guys, I have to shoot off. I'll keep tweeting from the car. Have to meet a producer in 30 mins. Other side of town. #scriptchat

7:55 pm                nate_winslow: @janetvaneeden @TaroJ Also getting remade :) #scriptchat

7:56 pm                DreamsGrafter:                Thanks so much @nate_winslow for heading today's EURO #SCRIPTCHAT. Please come back again!! :)

7:56 pm                DreamsGrafter:                This has been a loooong day ... ;) #scriptchat

7:57 pm                nate_winslow: @DreamsGrafter Good luck and thanks for helping out Mina :) I had a blast!! #scriptchat

7:57 pm                sweettweenie:                 @DreamsGrafter goodnight and drive safely, no tweeting, lol #scriptchat

7:57 pm                janetvaneeden:               @nate_winslow #scriptchat Great to hear! I'll catch it this time round. :)

7:57 pm                DreamsGrafter:                Also, please don't forget US #scriptchat will have @nate_winslow and @GoIntoTheStory talking about DUNE at 8pm EDT/5pm PDT.

7:57 pm                momentsoffilm:               Cool. RT @nate_winslow: Oh, and they ARE remaking DUNE. Pierre Morel (Taken) is directing. 2012-ish release date. #scriptchat

7:57 pm                booksbelow:      @filmutopia Was in my 30's when Brazil came out, remember didn't do well here in States-strange-we usually love British oddness! #scriptchat

7:58 pm                janetvaneeden:               RT @momentsoffilm: Cool. RT @nate_winslow: Oh, and they ARE remaking DUNE. Pierre Morel (Taken) is directing. 2012-ish release date. #scriptchat

7:58 pm                JLichtenberg:     @janetvaneeden #scriptchat I did see DUNE (film), had read book, am active in SF fandom, and NEVER hear DUNE is standalone film

7:58 pm                DreamsGrafter:                @sweettweenie The bf is at the wheel #bestboyfriendeverrr ;) #scriptchat have a lovely night too. xo

7:58 pm                nate_winslow: @momentsoffilm Should be interesting to see what a modern big budget does with the story. #scriptchat

7:58 pm                sweettweenie:                 @booksbelow haha at British oddness. #scriptchat

7:58 pm                booksbelow:      Thanks @nate_winslow and @DreamsGrafter for a very interesting chat! #scriptchat

7:58 pm                nate_winslow: @janetvaneeden :) #scriptchat

7:58 pm                momentsoffilm:               @DreamsGrafter Enjoy.. looking forward to meeting you next week! :) #scriptchat

7:59 pm                janetvaneeden:               @DreamsGrafter #scriptchat Thanks for hosting again Mina. One of these days I'll be up to speed on the chat. So sorry I missed Adaptation :(

7:59 pm                robinkelly1:        RT @rjleaman: 30 Ways to Build Your Writer Platform http://bit.ly/9GGFmw by @queryfreewriter via @AFWwriters #scriptchat

7:59 pm                nate_winslow: @booksbelow Anytime! Thanks for coming. See you at the US chat with Scott? #scriptchat

7:59 pm                sweettweenie:                 ditto, thank you xRT @booksbelow: Thanks @nate_winslow and @DreamsGrafter for a very interesting chat! #scriptchat

7:59 pm                chained:               If they do remake #dune I want to be in it #scriptchat ps what times USA scriptchat ?

8:00 pm                momentsoffilm:               @nate_winslow Yes, and modern VFX. Could be very good if done right. Hope they get the sufi ideas across too. #scriptchat

8:00 pm                TaroJ:    #scriptchat a cool first scriptchat and no heckling from my wife @sweetweenie thanks all back soon

8:00 pm                nate_winslow: US Scriptchat is 5 PM Pacific Time, 8 PM Eastern. @GoIntoTheStory will be there with me, being waay more knowledgeable than I am #scriptchat

8:01 pm                nate_winslow: @momentsoffilm Definitely. I'm excited as of now :) #scriptchat

8:01 pm                janetvaneeden:               RT @nate_winslow: US Scriptchat is 5 PM Pacific Time, 8 PM Eastern. @GoIntoTheStory will be there with me, being waay more knowledgeable than I am #scriptchat

8:01 pm                momentsoffilm:               @filmutopia I have never seen Brazil. I should probably check it out. #scriptchat

8:02 pm                JLichtenberg:     RT @momentsoffilm: Cool. RT @nate_winslow: Oh, and they ARE remaking DUNE. Pierre Morel (Taken) is directing. 2012-ish release date. #scriptchat

8:03 pm                nate_winslow: Thanks to everyone who showed up!! Ton of fun and a great discussion. I hope this produces at least two flawless adaptations :) #scriptchat

8:03 pm                momentsoffilm:               @nate_winslow You just know I'm getting on IMDbpro now to check it all out! lol LOVE those books, have read them dozens of times #scriptchat

8:03 pm                janetvaneeden:               @nate_winslow Enjoy your US session. Thanks for the Euro one - great to hear your views. :) #scriptchat

US Chat

11:52 pm              yeah_write:       The wonderful @nate_winslow and @GoIntoTheStory are our guest moderators tonight for #scriptchat

11:53 pm              thinkStory:          ooo, cool. so Hi, everybody :) tweetchat was mega-easy, connected in about 30 sec. check it out. #scriptchat

11:53 pm              khanb1:                @DreamsGrafter was this #scriptchat for the original Dune from the 70s or the scifi channel remake of 2003?

11:53 pm              aaronkaiser:       @thinkStory welcome! #scriptchat

11:54 pm              CDominiqueG: Im here, I should be studying... but Im here!!! #scriptchat

11:54 pm              KageyNYC:          Hey, I want that! RT @eyamie: Sorry #scriptchat ... it's molé chicken, couscous, Gone With The Wind and snuggles tonight!

11:54 pm              thinkStory:          seems like it's the original Dune movie; it has those pestilential heart plugs. #scriptchat

11:55 pm              booksbelow:      @thinkStory Hated those heart plugs! #scriptchat

11:56 pm              aaronkaiser:       @eyamie thanks. Now I'm hungry. Better save some for me. :-p #scriptchat

11:56 pm              eyamie:                @GoIntoTheStory hey Scott! So glad you're doing this! Sorry I can't make it but enjoy the madness! #scriptchat

11:57 pm              KageyNYC:          #scriptchat RT @GoIntoTheStory: Dune the 1984 version. #scriptchatDunefrom1984.

11:57 pm              GoIntoTheStory:              Testing! #scriptchat

11:57 pm              thinkStory:          @booksbelow amen. and hated how they did the Voice, too. that weird echo. #scriptchat

11:58 pm              GoIntoTheStory:              Ah, I Tweet, therefore I exist! Looks like this TweetChat thingee works. Huzzah! #scriptchat

11:58 pm              slognoth:             Hello everyone, tihs my first time atg a live chat, and it's about a fav story of mine. lucky me. #scriptchat

11:58 pm              nate_winslow: Hey everybody! @GoIntoTheStory Success. #scriptchat

11:58 pm              thinkStory:          disclaimer: I'm a fan of the book, have read it about twenty times. #scriptchat

11:58 pm              booksbelow:      @thinkStory The voice was strange, but at least was really part of the story! #scriptchat

11:58 pm              yeah_write:       Twitterverse, it's #scriptchat o'clock. So if you don't want to discuss DUNE, ignore my tweets for the next hour.

11:58 pm              MishaPolonsky:                @thinkStory I laughed when I first heard them use the Voice in the movie. #scriptchat

11:59 pm              eyamie:                @aaronkaiser I'll enclose it with my query letter. ;) The food, I mean. A snuggle would be creepy. lol #scriptchat

11:59 pm              booksbelow:      @slognoth Don't be afraid to dive in! Welcome! #scriptchat

11:59 pm              J_GriffinB:           enters and haunts. #scriptchat

11:59 pm              yeah_write:       @thinkStory But did you like the movie? #scriptchat

11:59 pm              nate_winslow: Followers, once again it's #scriptchat time. Sorry for the deluge of tweets. Movie peeps/writers, join us! http://bit.ly/bm7Z7e

11:59 pm              GoIntoTheStory:              I'd just like to say that I watched the movie and read the script last night. And clearly Dune is not David Lynch's best work. #scriptchat

11:59 pm              michael2172:      I like the voice #scriptchat

11:59 pm              cinematicshot: Don't mind me. I am ninja. #scriptchat

September 6, 2010

                LisaFromNYC:    it's time for #ScriptChat

                EverettMaroon:               @yeah_write #scriptchat is discussing DUNE? Is it a "how not to write a script" hour? #justbeingcheeky

                aaronkaiser:       Haha! ~ RT @eyamie: @aaronkaiser Ill enclose it with my query letter. ;) The food, I mean. A snuggle would be creepy. lol #scriptchat

                jeannevb:           Its #scriptchat o'clock!! Bring on DUNE discussion w @gointothestory and @nate_winslow

                yeah_write:       Actually, yes! RT @EverettMaroon: @yeah_write #scriptchat is discussing DUNE? Is it a "how not to write a script" hour? #scriptchat

12:01 am              mmilam44:          and hello everyone... #scriptchat

12:01 am              booksbelow:      @GoIntoTheStory What did you think were the worst faults of the script? #scriptchat

12:01 am              nate_winslow: @GoIntoTheStory Cleeeeearly. Let's get this bad boy rolling, shall we? #scriptchat

12:01 am              GoIntoTheStory:              Dune was selected by a vote as a 'bad' script. I'd just like to see what elements folks thought were bad about it. #scriptchat

12:01 am              julichilliard:         RT @jeannevb: Its #scriptchat o'clock!! Bring on DUNE discussion w @gointothestory and @nate_winslow

12:01 am              tracinell:               hi tree fort! HUGE congrats on the article/mention! #scriptchat

12:01 am              aaronkaiser:       Something tells me that I'm going to be lost suring #scriptchat, as I haven't seen the movie or read the script. O_o #scriptchat

12:01 am              cinematicshot: Lynch didn't have final cut on Dune. #scriptchat

12:02 am              thinkStory:          @yeah_write naw, it pissed me off. changed the wrong things. #scriptchat

12:02 am              J_GriffinB:           Are we talking Patrick Stewart Dune or one of the later MadeforTv ones? #scriptchat

12:02 am              jeannevb:           I'm tweeting fr the county fair so I'll be sparce in mt comments but bring on the DUNE thoughts #scriptchat

12:02 am              mmilam44:          I've been ranting and raving about the Dune movie for a few days and have attempt a couple of times... #scriptchat

12:02 am              yeah_write:       Thank you. RT @tracinell: hi tree fort! HUGE congrats on the article/mention! #scriptchat

12:02 am              KageyNYC:          Remember #scriptchat our fab guest moderators for our discussion of DUNE tonight are @GoIntoTheStory & @nate_winslow

12:02 am              jessenovels:       I'm doing #scriptchat on my break, how freaking hardcore is that!!!!

12:02 am              nate_winslow: RT @GoIntoTheStory: Dune was selected by a vote as a bad script. Id like to see what elements folks thought were bad about it. #scriptchat

12:02 am              tracinell:               @GoIntoTheStory exposition, exposition & exposition? #scriptchat

12:02 am              ozzywood:          Would have loved to take part in the Dune discussion but... Life's too short to watch that thing again. So I'll be lurking. #scriptchat

12:02 am              mmilam44:          To re-write the opening (which lost in the extended and original versions) #scriptchat

12:02 am              GoIntoTheStory:              @cinematicshot: Lynch may not have had final cut, but apart from rearranging a few scenes & a few changes, close to 7th draft. #scriptchat

12:02 am              thinkStory:          but even speaking as a book fan, to me they kept the wrong stuff. like verbatim dialog. and toooooo much exposition. #scriptchat

12:02 am              yeah_write:       @thinkStory If it pissed you off, you should join us. We are discussing what went so wrong. #scriptchat

12:02 am              booksbelow:      Too many characters, bad dialogue, hard to follow plot, and a few other minor problems #scriptchat

12:03 am              KageyNYC:          The #treefort has been celebrating ;) Thanks! RT @tracinell: hi tree fort! HUGE congrats on the article/mention! #scriptchat

12:03 am              thinkStory:          @J_GriffinB yep, Jean Luc himself. "Gads, what a monster." when he saw the worm. #scriptchat

12:03 am              booksbelow:      @jeannevb No playing the arcades during #scriptchat

12:03 am              mmilam44:          I think the key to how bad dune was is the opening sequence in script and film format. I can't follow it. #scriptchat

12:03 am              cinematicshot: @GoIntoTheStory Wow, them's a lot of drafts! #scriptchat

12:03 am              LisaFromNYC:    ditto RT @yeah_write Twitterverse, it's #scriptchat o'clock. So if you don't want to discuss DUNE, ignore my tweets for the next hour.

12:03 am              yeah_write:       And that's just the 1st 10 pages.RT @booksbelow: Too many characters, bad dialogue, hard to follow plot, and ... #scriptchat

12:03 am              KatZandvakili:    Hi all, I did read Dune & laughed every time I read the name "Maud'Dib," which could be read as "polite" in Farsi ~ #scriptchat

12:04 am              aaronkaiser:       Ironically, a friend posted a question on twitter: should they make an anime version of Dune? #scriptchat

12:04 am              CDominiqueG: @yeah_write EVERYTHING WENT WRONG with DUNE the film... the novel on the other hand ... AWESOME #scriptchat

12:04 am              jessenovels:       I'm working on my first movie script this weekend!!!!! I'm so pumped #scriptchat

12:04 am              GoIntoTheStory:              Exposition was the first thing that struck me. Tons and tons of it. From P.1 and heavy in Act I, but all throughout. #scriptchat

12:04 am              souzawrites:      #scriptchat Cut Lynch some slack. Thousands of pages of epic SF distilled into 3 hrs is hardly possible.

12:04 am              LisaFromNYC:    too much exposition right off the bat #ScriptChat

12:04 am              yeah_write:       Go you! RT @jessenovels: Im working on my first movie script this weekend!!!!! Im so pumped #scriptchat

12:04 am              michael2172:      I think too much good stuff in book to put into a film that?s why I like the three part mini-series in 2000 #scriptchat

12:05 am              thinkStory:          and wasn't it Sting's big film debut? wow. I had to purge that from my mind to go back to liking his music. #scriptchat

12:05 am              mmilam44:          @CDominiqueG The novel wasn't that awesome to me. I blame the book for being difficult to adapt. #scriptchat

12:05 am              GoIntoTheStory:              But the exposition is a symptom of a deeper reality: It's generally bloody difficult to adapt a book into a movie. #scriptchat

12:05 am              CDominiqueG: @yeah_write Im sorry I wrote that in caps... but that's how much it irked me #scriptchat

12:05 am              yeah_write:       @julichilliard DUNE is being discussed as "how not to write a script." #scriptchat

12:05 am              nate_winslow: @GoIntoTheStory The 2nd wave of exposition deep into Act II was also a biggie. Meeting a whole new cast of chars hurt. #scriptchat

12:05 am              ozzywood:          RT @michael2172: I think too much good stuff in book to put into a film that?s why I like the three part mini-series in 2000 #scriptchat

12:05 am              jeannevb:           @ozzywood I'm "lurking" too bc I'm not home. At a fair w the family. #scriptchat

12:05 am              CDominiqueG: @mmilam44 the book was awesome... :-D #scriptchat

12:05 am              booksbelow:      I think it should have opened with Paul in training scene, and then spread in a more natural way to the intrigue. #scriptchat

12:06 am              J_GriffinB:           So far I am hearing exposition, Voice, and thought process as major failings, no? #scriptchat

12:06 am              thinkStory:          @GoIntoTheStory they could have "shown" much more though. IMHO. #scriptchat

12:06 am              thinkStory:          @ozzywood ooo, me too. that was quite strong. #scriptchat

12:06 am              cinematicshot: Lynch turned down Return of the Jedi to make Dune. The mind boggles at the possibilities of Lynch with Ewoks. #scriptchat

12:06 am              J_GriffinB:           @CDominiqueG Dune good, follow-ups show the suck. #scriptchat

12:06 am              aaronkaiser:       RT @GoIntoTheStory: the exposition is a symptom of a deeper reality: It's generally bloody difficult to adapt a book into movie. #scriptchat

12:06 am              LisaFromNYC:    @GoIntoTheStory when the navigator explained the what/why of spice to someone who knows, I had to smh. that was at the beg #ScriptChat

12:06 am              tracinell:               @GoIntoTheStory especially this book, whole new vocabulary to try to explain. #scriptchat

12:06 am              mmilam44:          I attempted to re-write the opening in my own way. I would post the draft here, but I don't know if links are allowed. #scriptchat

12:07 am              julichilliard:         @yeah_write #scriptchat WAS there a script? I just remember the movie like some weird nightmare that made no sense.

12:07 am              SharkGoddess:                 AHhhhhI'm supposed to be at #Scriptchat! Bye!

12:07 am              mmilam44:          @gointothestory The beginning would turn off most people. #scriptchat

12:07 am              timstubinski:      totally agree with @michael2172 the book is way too big to pack into a 2 hour movie that features Sting in leather underwear #scriptchat

12:07 am              jeannevb:           I'm tweeting on the merry-go-round! #scriptchatfirst RT @booksbelow: @jeannevb No playing the arcades during #scriptchat

12:07 am              booksbelow:      The use of the voice/inner voice was annoying and difficult to follow, inner voice could have been replaced by visuals sometimes #scriptchat

12:07 am              julichilliard:         #scriptchat It must be said that Kyle and Sting were very cute then. Of course, that's OT

12:07 am              CDominiqueG: @mmilam44 I'd love to read it #scriptchat

12:07 am              mmilam44:          That was my thing too. People would arrive and it would be like a busy AOL chat room. #scriptchat

12:07 am              nate_winslow: Sci-fi esp struggles with expo since its usually necessary to set up the "world" of the film. Hv to do it quick + visually. #scriptchat

12:07 am              cinematicshot: @GoIntoTheStory Was it a case of too much story for what was expected as a two hour film? #scriptchat

12:08 am              KageyNYC:          @julichilliard We've covered exceptional scripts & often it's hard to see seams in a flawless story. We wanted to go other way. #scriptchat

12:08 am              ozzywood:          I remember it to look like the makers were more concerned with images and ideas than with a coherent plot. #scriptchat

12:08 am              GoIntoTheStory:              And while they tried to be observant of the book, the dialogue often came off as meaningless w/o broader novel's context. #scriptchat

12:08 am              yeah_write:       RT @julichilliard: @yeah_write #scriptchat WAS there a script? I just remember the movie as weird nightmare that made no sense. #scriptchat

12:08 am              CDominiqueG: @J_GriffinB I agree with that #scriptchat

12:08 am              EverettMaroon:               @julichilliard #scriptchat Things more interesting than DUNE: watching paint dry, calculus class, trimming my toenails.

12:08 am              mmilam44:          @CDominiqueG Here's the link. It's not perfect, but I gave it the best shot I had. http://www.mediafire.com/?gy63f65m06wgx5j #scriptchat

12:08 am              Shanipedia:        Is this entire chat this week discussing Dune? #scriptchat #scriptchat

12:08 am              MishaPolonsky:                I really didn't buy the character development in the script/film either - especially with Paul and his whole "becoming the one." #scriptchat

12:08 am              jeannevb:           @nate_winslow can't wait to read transcripts. Ur right. Its WAY to hard to do this via phone! :( #scriptchat

12:08 am              J_GriffinB:           @nate_winslow Can struggle. Doesn't have to. #scriptchat

12:09 am              GoIntoTheStory:              But more than that, I didn't feel any emotional connection to the characters at all. #scriptchat

12:09 am              SharkGoddess:                 DUNE really should've been shown in 2 movies so that you didn't have to know the book in order tof follow it #scriptchat

12:09 am              souzawrites:      Perhaps he should have done what Lucas did with Star Wars and broken it into 10 episodes #scriptchat

12:09 am              nate_winslow: Biggest thing for me. RT @GoIntoTheStory: But more than that, I didnt feel any emotional connection to the characters at all. #scriptchat

12:09 am              LisaFromNYC:    everyone's voice sounded the same to me. #ScriptChat

12:09 am              ozzywood:          Is there a central protag? RT @GoIntoTheStory: I didnt feel any emotional connection to the characters at all. #scriptchat

12:09 am              mmilam44:          Lynch could have learned from Lucas: Scrolling Text and John Williams help alot. #scriptchat

12:09 am              J_GriffinB:           @MishaPolonsky Messiahs not to your liking? #scriptchat

12:09 am              GoIntoTheStory:              I felt like Lynch connected to the material in two primary ways: visual and intellectual. #scriptchat

12:10 am              nate_winslow: @J_GriffinB Very very true. #scriptchat

12:10 am              booksbelow:      I kept saying in euro chat earlier it was too big for one film, but several people there took the opposite tack. #scriptchat

12:10 am              mmilam44:          Patrick Stewart looked like he was at home. All he needed to say was "Number One, Engage" and I would have been stoked. #scriptchat

12:10 am              jeannevb:           Yes, its this month's script night script RT @Shanipedia: Is this entire chat this week discussing Dune? #scriptchat

12:10 am              KatZandvakili:    @GoIntoTheStory That was its big failing for me ~ it feel distant. #scriptchat

12:10 am              GoIntoTheStory:              Compare to an equally difficult adaptation: Lord of the Rings. Clearly Peter Jackson et al LOVED those characters. #scriptchat

12:10 am              tracinell:               @GoIntoTheStory agreed. 2 dimensional. how will they overcome that now? any news on remake? #scriptchat

12:10 am              mmilam44:          @GoIntoTheStory So then what happened? I don't think it was either. Maybe i'm missing something. #scriptchat

12:11 am              nate_winslow: @jeannevb I know, right? #scriptchat has become too big for a phone :) #scriptchat

12:11 am              J_GriffinB:           @GoIntoTheStory Or he could have done it like Outland...Zero Exposition #scriptchat

12:11 am              GoIntoTheStory:              They spent time with them enough on screen for US to know and care about them. I didn't feel that at all with Dune. #scriptchat

12:11 am              Shanipedia:        @jeannevb holy crap. #scriptchat

12:11 am              booksbelow:      LOL! RT @mmilam44: Lynch could have learned from Lucas: Scrolling Text and John Williams help alot. #scriptchat

12:11 am              yeah_write:       RT @GoIntoTheStory: Compare to an equally difficult adaptation: Lord of the Rings. Clearly Peter Jackson et al LOVED characters. #scriptchat

12:11 am              SharkGoddess:                 @souzawrites 6 episodes at least....Hope we discuss Lucas' movies at some point. #scriptchat

12:11 am              MishaPolonsky:                @J_GriffinB It just happened so fast and unexpectedly. The worst is when he meets the Fremen. #scriptchat

12:11 am              GoIntoTheStory:              What happened? Again adaptations are really hard. You have to find the movie in the story, and that's not easy. #scriptchat

12:11 am              mmilam44:          @booksbelow See, I argue differently. I read the book, the first two pages, I needed a glossary. Apparently audiences did too. #scriptchat

12:11 am              jeannevb:           Agree RT @nate_winslow: Biggest thing for me. RT @GoIntoTheStory: I didnt feel any emotional connection to the characters at all #scriptchat

12:11 am              J_GriffinB:           @GoIntoTheStory Dune characters nowhere near as lovable as LOTR #scriptchat

12:12 am              nate_winslow: I think Lynch held on 2 too many chars from the book that he didnt develop. If thats the case, cut them + focus more on hero. #scriptchat

12:12 am              GoIntoTheStory:              Especially so with a classic like Dune or LOTR. Filmmakers know that book fans are going to be out with pitchforks if bad movie. #scriptchat

12:12 am              J_GriffinB:           @MishaPolonsky Issue of SF that tries for messiahs. Luke was a lot cooler than his daddy-o #scriptchat

12:12 am              yeah_write:       RT @GoIntoTheStory: What happened? Again adaptations are really hard. You have to find the movie in the story, and its not easy. #scriptchat

12:12 am              GoIntoTheStory:              So they feel constrained to stick to the text. However there is simply too much content for a two-hour movie. #scriptchat

12:12 am              mmilam44:          @GoIntoTheStory no it's not. I think that's a given.. I don't know, the film just kinda threw me. #scriptchat

12:12 am              MishaPolonsky:                I agree completely. RT @J_GriffinB @GoIntoTheStory Dune characters nowhere near as lovable as LOTR #scriptchat

12:12 am              cinematicshot: Being too loyal to the source material can hurt. That was the problem with Watchmen for me. #scriptchat

12:13 am              michael2172:      I agree at no point are you rooting for anyone in the film #scriptchat

12:13 am              GoIntoTheStory:              In an adaptation, it's equally important what you leave OUT than what you INCLUDE in the movie. Those are TOUGH choices. #scriptchat

12:13 am              julichilliard:         @EverettMaroon Yep. The book was compelling & human. The movie, um, not. #scriptchat Think I had similar reax to Babe 2 & Batman Returns.

12:13 am              tracinell:               great point RT @nate_winslow: I think Lynch held on 2 too many chars from the book..didnt develop. If thats the case, cut them . #scriptchat

12:13 am              nate_winslow: RT @GoIntoTheStory: In an adaptation, its equally important what you leave OUT than what you INCLUDE in the movie. TOUGH choices #scriptchat

12:13 am              GoIntoTheStory:              Exactly: "Too loyal to the source material." Again you have to find the MOVIE in the BOOK, and they are often two diff things. #scriptchat

12:13 am              booksbelow:      Yes! RT @nate_winslow: I think Lynch held on 2 too many chars from the book that he didnt develop, cut them + focus more on hero #scriptchat

12:13 am              J_GriffinB:           @GoIntoTheStory Bladerunner good examle... Wildly different, but true to story. #scriptchat

12:14 am              LisaFromNYC:    emphasis on expl who/what/why etc & not enough showing us why we should root for the characters. #ScriptChat

12:14 am              SharkGoddess:                 Makes a huge difference when u love the characters.They become ur friends, family & u want the best 4 them.So u do best 4 them #scriptchat

12:14 am              michael2172:      @julichilliard LOL Babe 2 #scriptchat

12:14 am              J_GriffinB:           @tracinell Or conglom ala Arwen. #scriptchat

12:14 am              julichilliard:         @EverettMaroon #scriptchat All 2 dark to be entertaining and compelling.

12:14 am              MatthewKlekner:            No offense the #Scriptchat crowd but breaking down any David Lynch script by typical means is counter productive. They're meant 2 be flawed.

12:14 am              jeannevb:           I'll be back....ubertwitter draining batteries...& kids want me on ferris wheel. :) #scriptchat

12:14 am              GoIntoTheStory:              Here's an anecdote re LOTR that I think has relevance for Dune. And forgive me for driveling on for a bit... #scriptchat

12:14 am              nate_winslow: @GoIntoTheStory Id say "always." Thats the biggest problem for me with adaptations. Dont recognize the diffs between mediums. #scriptchat

12:15 am              julichilliard:         @michael2172 #scriptchat Babe was enchanting but the sequel weirded me out. LOL

12:15 am              mmilam44:          I think it was either Hitch or Stefano who changed the main character from a fat guy to an attractive guy. #scriptchat

12:15 am              GoIntoTheStory:              I saw a special screening of LOTR at the WGA Theater when it first came out. Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens where there... #scriptchat

12:15 am              ozzywood:          Hmmm. RT @MatthewKlekner: breaking down any David Lynch script by typical means is counter productive. Theyre meant 2 be flawed. #scriptchat

12:15 am              EverettMaroon:               #scriptchat biggest problems with DUNE to me was the disconnect between the cinematography & the story. didn't believe the chars were there.

12:15 am              art1032:                Very hard to turn 600 pages (for example) of a book into 120 page script and do it well. #scriptchat

12:15 am              yeah_write:       @MatthewKlekner Have your read the script for DUNE? It was not flawed, it was terrible. #scriptchat

12:15 am              SharkGoddess:                 @MatthewKlekner Doesn't necessarily have to be abotu flaws #scriptchat

12:15 am              ozzywood:          @jeannevb Have fun! See ya later. #scriptchat

12:15 am              mmilam44:          @MatthewKlekner If they aren't meant to make sense, then you should at least have a thread that connects everything. #scriptchat

12:16 am              GoIntoTheStory:              They co-wrote the script with Peter Jackson (Walsh is Jackson's longtime partner). They talked about the intro the LOTR... #scriptchat

12:16 am              LisaFromNYC:    Star wars opens: quick words 2 set up plot. Jumps 2 action w us seeing r2d2/c3po journey/conflicts & engaging us. #ScriptChat

12:16 am              GoIntoTheStory:              How to set up Middle Earth? Est the characters? The tone? The mythology? Went through dozens of iterations... #scriptchat

12:16 am              LisaFromNYC:    agreed RT @art1032: Very hard to turn 600 pages (for example) of a book into 120 page script and do it well. #ScriptChat

12:17 am              J_GriffinB:           @GoIntoTheStory to which I teared up at, thinking, 'this guy gets it!' #scriptchat

12:17 am              GoIntoTheStory:              finally it dawned on them to tell the story from the Ring's perspective. Brilliant! Compare to Dune... #scriptchat

12:17 am              EverettMaroon:               #scriptchat Usually I like a Lynch movie, but DUNE probably wasn't a good story for him to take on, given his narrative style.

12:17 am              mmilam44:          I think you could have a perfectly flawed movie, but at least have a rope to get people along for the ride. #scriptchat

12:17 am              ozzywood:          RT @Tracychewie: @ozzywood I just ff to the scenes c/ Sting in them :) #scriptchat

12:17 am              SharkGoddess:                 LOTR was a HUGE story to tell, with alot of intriqicate details, as is DUNE. The movie needed to reveal more in dialogue. #scriptchat

12:17 am              nate_winslow: @LisaFromNYC My favorite example of exposition for sci-fi. It doesnt apologize, its in your face, and it WORKS. #scriptchat

12:17 am              GoIntoTheStory:              A talking head with a bunch of words. In LOTR, they SHOWED the story, a specific tale of a character - the ring... #scriptchat

12:17 am              khanb1:                RT @GoIntoTheStory: What happened? Again adaptations are really hard. You have to find the movie in the story, and that's not easy. #scriptchat

12:18 am              ozzywood:          Dune by Jackson... ? :) #scriptchat

12:18 am              bekka_black:     @GoIntoTheStory They did that voiceover, which usually doesn't work, but did for LOTR #scriptchat #scriptchat

12:18 am              mmilam44:          When I was rewriting the beginning, I used Princess Irulan as the narrator and provide a scene including the spice. #scriptchat

12:18 am              GoIntoTheStory:              I just didn't see either that passion / emotional resonance with the material in Dune that would drive creative choices. #scriptchat

12:18 am              nate_winslow: @LisaFromNYC And, most importantly maybe, its quick. #scriptchat

12:18 am              julichilliard:         #scriptchat To me Popeye (1980) suffered from similar issues to Dune. Just came across as randomness

12:19 am              J_GriffinB:           @nate_winslow Ah, but the words of the opening _are_ exposition. #scriptchat

12:19 am              bekka_black:     Hobbits are funnier and cuter and easier to like than any given character in Dune which makes it problematic. #scriptchat #scriptchat

12:19 am              GoIntoTheStory:              Re Dune: Was anybody grabbed by the mystery if Paul was "the one?" #scriptchat

12:19 am              LisaFromNYC:    @nate_winslow it works cuz audience will accept it from fantasy/sci-fi as a setup, as long as everything that follows engages #ScriptChat

12:19 am              nate_winslow: RT @GoIntoTheStory: finally it dawned on them to tell the story from the Ring's perspective. Brilliant! Compare to Dune... #scriptchat

12:19 am              mmilam44:          @ozzywood I think he's too busy taking over directing duties of The Hobbit right now. #scriptchat

12:19 am              GoIntoTheStory:              Anybody compelled by the mystery of the spice? #scriptchat

12:19 am              HConvair:            @SharkGoddess I thought Jackson did a great job adapting LOTR, left out much that slowed the story. #scriptchat

12:19 am              michael2172:      I think you need to look at the time it was made also. Everyone wanted another star wars #scriptchat

12:20 am              J_GriffinB:           @GoIntoTheStory Again, it comes to characters. You have a noble shit and his entourage in Dune who's in conflict w/other richi #scriptchat

12:20 am              yeah_write:       RT @bekka_black: Hobbits are funnier and cuter and easier to like than any given character in Dune which makes it problematic. #scriptchat

12:20 am              J_GriffinB:           @LisaFromNYC yes #scriptchat

12:20 am              nate_winslow: @J_GriffinB Of Star Wars? Certainly! They couldnt have done it any other way. Didnt mean to imply otherwise. #scriptchat

12:20 am              yeah_write:       SciFi is a difficult genre to write for the screen, much less adapt. IMHO #scriptchat

12:20 am              simonm223:       @ozzywood pls no! Dune by Blomkamp. #scriptchat (there fixed that)

12:20 am              art1032:                Agreed :) @julichilliard #scriptchat To me Popeye (1980) suffered from similar issues to Dune. Just came across as randomness

12:20 am              cinematicshot: True. Jackson's love for Tolkien showed on the screen. Dune seemed more like a work-for-hire for Lynch. #scriptchat

12:20 am              jeannevb:           *glows* love that! RT @nate_winslow: @jeannevb I know, right? #scriptchat has become too big for a phone :) #scriptchat

12:20 am              KageyNYC:          Sci-fi adapts often have rock/hard place challenge. Mess too much w source & fans hate you. Stick too close & movie blows. #scriptchat

12:21 am              booksbelow:      @GoIntoTheStory LOTR being fantasy drew on a familiar collective mythic background, harder for Dune being SF and alien world. #scriptchat

12:21 am              pandeiacomic:   Curses. All this #scriptchat about Dune is priming me to go see the old "Allan Smithee" version. :D

12:21 am              bekka_black:     @mmilam44 Jackson's worlds are dark and lush and wet, the opposite of the bright desert #scriptchat

12:21 am              mmilam44:          @GoIntoTheStory I was. heard from a friend it was made from the eggs of the worm in the film.... #scriptchat

12:21 am              MatthewKlekner:            @mmilam44 ambiguity IS the lynchpin that connects it all together in any lynch movie outside of straight story. #scriptchat

12:21 am              nate_winslow: @GoIntoTheStory Nope. "Mysteries" in script were solved by Paul asking himself a question, then answering it. Tension? Where? #scriptchat

12:21 am              J_GriffinB:           richie rich, whereas in LOTR it's a bunch of cute little rural farmers and a kindly grandfather. #scriptchat

12:21 am              simonm223:       @bekka_black the difficulty of Jessica & Paul as protagonists is part of what makes Dune such a great novel. #scriptchat

12:21 am              khanb1:                @GoIntoTheStory @nate_winslow just as the ring was the story anchor in LOTR, what would be the story anchor for DUNE? #scriptchat

12:21 am              julichilliard:         #scriptchat Wanted to be in the book Dune. Wanted to be OUT of the movie Dune. It was just ugly

12:21 am              KatZandvakili:    @GoIntoTheStory For a bit, spice reminded me of Dust ~ but ... spice?? Ridiculous, even if it is in the book! #scriptchat

12:22 am              KageyNYC:          Exposition w HUGE visuals can work. RT @J_GriffinB: @nate_winslow Ah, but the words of the opening _are_ exposition. #scriptchat

12:22 am              ozzywood:          Nice!!RT @simonm223: @ozzywood pls no! Dune by Blomkamp. #scriptchat (there fixed that) #scriptchat

12:22 am              booksbelow:      @cinematicshot Lynch had never read Dune or had much interest in SF at that time. #scriptchat

12:22 am              mmilam44:          @MatthewKlekner but ambiguity isn't Dune's problem, it's that there's too much of it and none of it enthralls you to care. #scriptchat

12:22 am              simonm223:       @michael2172 problem was that Dune isn't Star Wars! #scriptchat

12:22 am              ozzywood:          Lynch was asked to direct Star Wars VI - Hysterical Q&A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJQ4vCu-S0U #scriptchat

12:22 am              tracinell:               bit T truth. RT @nate_winslow: @GoIntoTheStory Nope. "Mysteries" in script were solved by Paul asking then answering Tension? #scriptchat

12:23 am              LisaFromNYC:    too many char confuses. In dune, they spoke of many other things w/names I kept forgetting. if 2 many char, keep dial simple #ScriptChat

12:23 am              mmilam44:          @julichilliard Kyle what his name look so last. #scriptchat

12:23 am              MatthewKlekner:            #Scriptchat has no business discussing a Lynch script. It's only words on the page that vaguely represent images in his head. #carteblanche

12:23 am              thinkStory:          @khanb1 not the spice as story anchor, but Paul avenging his father and coming to ultimate power. everything else was context. #scriptchat

12:23 am              souzawrites:      I hate narration in movies. If used, I feel the director has already failed - even in Blade Runner. The directors cut was better #scriptchat

12:23 am              booksbelow:      The Spice RT @khanb1: just as the ring was the story anchor in LOTR, what would be the story anchor for DUNE? #scriptchat

12:23 am              mmilam44:          @booksbelow that explains why it was bad in the first place. #scriptchat

12:23 am              zacsanford:         Sorry I'm not around to discuss Dune on #scriptchat. Finishing up my last night of vacation in Palm Springs. See y'all next week.

12:24 am              tracinell:               sry nate, meant 'big' T truth! #scriptchat

12:24 am              J_GriffinB:           @KageyNYC No arguement #scriptchat

12:24 am              cinematicshot: @booksbelow Interesting. And it showed. #scriptchat

12:24 am              JohnMiewald:   @khanb1 Aren't the Sisters prophecies the story anchor in Dune? They pretty much telegraph all the action. #scriptchat

12:24 am              nate_winslow: @khanb1 Hmm. Well. Problem is there really isnt one. Its supposed to be Paul's quest? But...that never is a quest. #scriptchat

12:24 am              mmilam44:          @julichilliard lost I meant to say. #scriptchat

12:24 am              GoIntoTheStory:              There are some lessons to learn from Dune. #scriptchat

12:24 am              julichilliard:         RT @bekka_black: Hobbits are funnier and cuter and easier to like than any given character in Dune which makes it problematic. #scriptchat #scriptchat

12:24 am              jeannevb:           @Shanipedia we voted on what "bad" script to read :) #scriptchat

12:25 am              J_GriffinB:           @MatthewKlekner snob much? #scriptchat

12:25 am              simonm223:       @KatZandvakili mind it was dealt with much better in the book. #scriptchat

12:25 am              nate_winslow: @GoIntoTheStory If you were to take out one plot-line, what would it be? #scriptchat

12:25 am              LisaFromNYC:    @nate_winslow yes, quick, get the exposition over with & onto the story lol #scriptchat

12:25 am              mmilam44:          @MatthewKlekner See, that's where your wrong. We want to get inside his head and come out understanding it. #scriptchat

12:25 am              cinematicshot: I mean, The Godfather was more of a work-for-hire for Coppola, but he was able to turn it into something more personal for him. #scriptchat

12:25 am              SharkGoddess:                 @simonm223 Wish they wouldve gone into detail that's she's not the king's wife but concubine.How do u pronouce his Fremen name #scriptchat

12:25 am              nate_winslow: @tracinell Haha I was trying to figure out what that might mean. Bitter truth? All cleared up :) #scriptchat

12:25 am              J_GriffinB:           @JohnMiewald If I recall correctly, yes #scriptchat

12:25 am              yeah_write:       RT @GoIntoTheStory: There are some lessons to learn from Dune. #scriptchat

12:26 am              bekka_black:     RT @KageyNYC: Sci-fi adapts have rock/hard place challenge. Mess too much w source & fans hate you Stick too close & movie blows #scriptchat

12:26 am              booksbelow:      @thinkStory @khanb1 Disagree about avenging father, that's subplot, his destiny as messiah more important & spice tied together. #scriptchat

12:26 am              tracinell:               @GoIntoTheStory you mean the 'how not to' lessons? ;) #scriptchat

12:26 am              AppleiCat:           Except that Dune drew on history, rather than myth--should've been easy RT @booksbelow harder for Dune being SF and alien #scriptchat

12:26 am              J_GriffinB:           @nate_winslow Paul's rise to power #scriptchat

12:26 am              amgamble:         @yeah_write In some ways I think scifi easier on screen: worldbuilding in images is consise. But shows failure to find story. #scriptchat

12:26 am              booksbelow:      @zacsanford Have fun, enjoy your vacation! #scriptchat

12:26 am              GinySassenach:                Dropping in for a minute. My 2 cents worth. the script stunk! (Of course ) and the movie was corny! sorry just what i think! #scriptchat

12:26 am              mmilam44:          @cinematicshot and it became one of his only good films. #scriptchat

12:27 am              simonm223:       @booksbelow the spice isn't the anchor for Dune. The planet is. #scriptchat

12:27 am              GoIntoTheStory:              1. Don't clutter your script with too many characters. Each character should have a narrative function. If not, out. #scriptchat

12:27 am              SharkGoddess:                 @HConvair He likes to be confusing? alrighty then #scriptchat

12:27 am              khanb1:                @nate_winslow is the focus on characters the reason why so many reality shows are successful? #scriptchat

12:27 am              KatZandvakili:    @simonm223 Good to know, thanks ~ At first, I went with it like Pullman's Dust, then...not ~ #scriptchat

12:27 am              J_GriffinB:           @booksbelow it is, but doesn't come through on film #scriptchat

12:27 am              warringtonne:   RT @GoIntoTheStory: 1. Don't clutter your script with too many characters. Each character should have a narrative function. If not, out. #scriptchat

12:27 am              dwacon:               Sorry I'm late :-[ #scriptchat

12:28 am              nate_winslow: @zacsanford Lucky dog. See you next week! #scriptchat

12:28 am              julichilliard:         @GoIntoTheStory #scriptchat Re "spice," remember "Minority Report" & Cruise char's use of drugs? Very effective, I thought. Just linking.

12:28 am              michael2172:      I think his destiny as messiah more important #scriptchat

12:28 am              souzawrites:      @GoIntoTheStory Anybody compelled by the mystery of the spice? #scriptchat <= Yes, but treat me as intellegent enough to connect the dots.

12:28 am              julichilliard:         RT @SharkGoddess: @HConvair He likes to be confusing? alrighty then #scriptchat

12:28 am              rachlanger:         Sorry I'm late. We're discussing Dune, yes? #scriptchat

12:28 am              cinematicshot: @mmilam44 Shhh my avatar might hear you. #scriptchat

12:28 am              GoIntoTheStory:              2. Focus exposition in Act I. Script readers give more flex re exposition in the set-up. But make it as compelling as possible. #scriptchat

12:28 am              simonm223:       @SharkGoddes Muad'dib #scriptchat

12:28 am              Shanipedia:        @jeannevb Fair enough, but I dunno what you learn from a Lynch script/adaptation. He's an experimental/existentialist filmmaker. #scriptchat

12:28 am              nate_winslow: RT @GoIntoTheStory: 1. Dont clutter your script with 2 many chars. Each character should have narrative function. If not, out. #scriptchat

12:29 am              booksbelow:      @simonm223 But the planet is just a setting for the spice, it's the spice that connects all the strands of the story. #scriptchat

12:29 am              nate_winslow: @khanb1 You've got me there. #scriptchat

12:29 am              julichilliard:         @simonm223 @booksbelow #scriptchat The anchor is humanity/love in the planet's harsh environment

12:29 am              nate_winslow: @rachlanger Yep! #scriptchat

12:29 am              GoIntoTheStory:              3. Find the emotional core of the story and build everything around it. Plot w/o emotional meaning = who cares. #scriptchat

12:29 am              KatZandvakili:    @julichilliard Great comment! #scriptchat

12:29 am              JohnMiewald:   Is the topic of this #scriptchat how much Dune sucks?

12:30 am              GinySassenach:                It was nice to see Sting young again! #scriptchat

12:30 am              SharkGoddess:                 @GoIntoTheStory Each character should move the story along, you mean? Isn't filler needed sometimes for ourpose of segway? #scriptchat

12:30 am              J_GriffinB:           @Shanipedia Then why use something that is already established for source material and then slavishly follow it in some ways? #scriptchat

12:30 am              simonm223:       RT @julichilliard: @simonm223 @booksbelow #scriptchat The anchor is humanity/love in the planet's harsh environment

12:30 am              momentsoffilm:               @thesschroeder Thanks! Wonderful. #scriptchat

12:31 am              tracinell:               RT @GoIntoTheStory: 3. Find the emotional core & build everything around it. Plot w/o emotional meaning = who cares. #scriptchat

12:31 am              LisaFromNYC:    RT @julichilliard: @simonm223 @booksbelow #scriptchat The anchor is humanity/love in the planets harsh environment #ScriptChat

12:31 am              simonm223:       @booksbelow you got that backward. The spice is what binds the people in the story to the planet. #scriptchat

12:31 am              MishaPolonsky:                @GoIntoTheStory Chani, for example - what narrative purpose did she serve? I get love interest but I didn't even buy that. #scriptchat

12:31 am              GinySassenach:                RT @GoIntoTheStory: 3. Find the emotional core of the story build everything around it. Plot w/o emotional meaning = who cares. #scriptchat

12:31 am              bekka_black:     @booksbelow If the spice ties it together, what does spice mean? In LOTR ring=source of evil power that will destroy all good #scriptchat

12:31 am              yeah_write:       @JohnMiewald It's how NOT to write a script. #scriptchat

12:31 am              GoIntoTheStory:              Here's something funny about Dune the movie: Habituated by all these actors who would appear in "Twin Peaks." #scriptchat

12:31 am              nate_winslow: @GoIntoTheStory 3a. Blatantly obvious voice-over is no substitute for SHOWING us the story. #scriptchat

12:31 am              KatZandvakili:    @JohnMiewald regretfully, yes :) #scriptchat

12:31 am              yeah_write:       Yup. RT @rachlanger: Sorry I'm late. We're discussing Dune, yes? #scriptchat

12:31 am              booksbelow:      Maybe part of script's problem is none of us can agree on what the anchor is! Too confusing! #scriptchat

12:31 am              dwacon:               As a youngster, other than the cool worms Dune was a cure for insomnia. Now, I feel it just needed 2B long-form vs feature. #scriptchat

12:32 am              GinySassenach:                RT @GoIntoTheStory: Heres something funny about Dune the movie: Habituated by all these actors who would appear in "Twin Peaks." #scriptchat

12:32 am              simonm223:       Ok #scriptchat guys I'd LOVE to hang around discussing my favorite flavour of geekiness but my wife got home, wants attention. L8R

12:32 am              TheWriteScript:                Lurking tonight... #scriptchat

12:32 am              GoIntoTheStory:              I loved "Twin Peaks." And clearly Lynch & Frost had great affection for & understanding of those characters, too. That showed. #scriptchat

12:32 am              khanb1:                @gointothestory is the focus on characters the reason why so many reality shows are successful? #scriptchat

12:32 am              bekka_black:     No filler allowed. Ever. @GoIntoTheStory Isnt filler needed sometimes for ourpose of segway? #scriptchat

12:32 am              KatZandvakili:    @GoIntoTheStory :) I thought about this too ~ #scriptchat

12:32 am              JohnMiewald:   @yeah_write OK, as long as we are not picking on Dune. I love Dune. :) #scriptchat

12:32 am              Shanipedia:        @J_GriffinB Because DeLaurentis had a boner for Elephant Man and Lynch accepted the job DeLaurentis hied him to do. #scriptchat

12:32 am              KatZandvakili:    @simonm223 nice chatting with you! #scriptchat

12:33 am              GinySassenach:                @GoIntoTheStory I wondered if this film stopped the careers of the actors then remembered Twin Peaks #scriptchat

12:33 am              LisaFromNYC:    loved twin peaks #ScriptChat

12:33 am              dwacon:               @simonm223 Now there is a plot device. Wife arrives, wants attention. Works in any genre, too... #scriptchat

12:33 am              GoIntoTheStory:              "Dune" (the movie) just felt overwhelmed by all the 'stuff' they had to cram into 2:10. #scriptchat

12:34 am              J_GriffinB:           @GinySassenach And PS's hundreds of years on Star Trek, don't forget! #scriptchat

12:34 am              mdaystory:         @LisaFromNYC me too. wonder if i watched it now (twin peaks) if it would have same effect. #scriptchat

12:34 am              booksbelow:      @bekka_black the spice represents power which runs throughout all strands of book and script. #scriptchat

12:34 am              nate_winslow: Truth. RT @GoIntoTheStory: "Dune" (the movie) just felt overwhelmed by all the stuff they had to cram into 2:10. #scriptchat

12:34 am              GinySassenach:                @J_GriffinB Right! #scriptchat

12:34 am              KayleeT:               RT @J_GriffinB: @GinySassenach And PS's hundreds of years on Star Trek, don't forget! #scriptchat

12:34 am              SharkGoddess:                 @HConvair TRUE. How do you pronounce his name? #scriptchat

12:34 am              markwolfe:         RT @ozzywood: Lynch was asked to direct Star Wars VI - Hysterical Q&A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJQ4vCu-S0U #scriptchat

12:34 am              julichilliard:         @mmilam44 @KeriStevens #scriptchat Well, for sure I'm working off old memories of Kyle/Sting in the movie.

12:34 am              nate_winslow: @GoIntoTheStory Also, it lacked a scary villain. It technically had some, but they were caricatures and didn't really...impact. #scriptchat

12:35 am              KayleeT:               Do you think #Rubicon would be better as a movie? Script Wise? #Scriptchat

12:35 am              GinySassenach:                Paul's baby sister was downright "Creepy"! #scriptchat

12:35 am              mdaystory:         GoIntoTheStory "Dune" (the movie) just felt overwhelmed by all the 'stuff' they had to cram into 2:10 --AGREE! #scriptchat

12:35 am              J_GriffinB:           @nate_winslow True. And that's a failing of the novel, too, I think. #scriptchat

12:35 am              booksbelow:      Agreed! RT @GoIntoTheStory: "Dune" (the movie) just felt overwhelmed by all the stuff they had to cram into 2:10. #scriptchat

12:36 am              LisaFromNYC:    @mdaystory idk. I haven't seen TP in years. It might feel dated, but maybe not. strange characters (oddly compelling) #ScriptChat

12:36 am              ozzywood:          "Carson Reeves is impressed with Drive" and more: http://bit.ly/cDMvKR Story Dept. - Best o/t Web #screenwriting #scriptchat

12:36 am              J_GriffinB:           @GinySassenach And the film failed to explain why she was such a freakshow #scriptchat

12:36 am              tracinell:               *cringe* I thought so too! RT @GinySassenach: Pauls baby sister was downright "Creepy"! #scriptchat

12:36 am              JohnMiewald:   Dune was a great film. That some don't like it is part of its appeal. If everyone liked it the niche would not love it. #scriptchat

12:36 am              GoIntoTheStory:              "Elephant Man" played to his strength in identifying with freakish characters. #scriptchat

12:36 am              J_GriffinB:           @GoIntoTheStory Forgot Elephant man was his. #scriptchat

12:37 am              JohnMiewald:   The real lesson is that if you feel you are writing something that "everyone will love" you are going to fail. #scriptchat

12:37 am              LisaFromNYC:    tbh, I got lost with who wanted what & why. And I skimmed much of the dialogue. #ReaderFailed :( #ScriptChat

12:37 am              GoIntoTheStory:              "Twin Peaks" same thing re Lynch prying up thin veneer of civility in 'normal' society (ala "Blue Velvet"). #scriptchat

12:37 am              GinySassenach:                @GoIntoTheStory Now Elephant Man, I liked! #scriptchat

12:37 am              timstubinski:      The mini-series was good but with the LOTR argument here, I would bet there will be a Dune remake #scriptchat

12:37 am              souzawrites:      Dune is a parable for the Middle East, a worthless sand patch no 1 would want save for 1 valuable resource - that is the core #scriptchat

12:37 am              J_GriffinB:           @GoIntoTheStory Yes, but he could have had a blast with the little sister and Paul himself. He's a frightening character #scriptchat

12:37 am              JohnMiewald:   If you write something that 99% of people hate but 1% love, it will be remembered for years. #scriptchat

12:38 am              booksbelow:      A lot of this is just that maybe Lynch and Dune not a good match. #scriptchat

12:38 am              KatZandvakili:    @JohnMiewald Aaw, you like it ~ that's sweet. Did you read the script? #scriptchat

12:38 am              GinySassenach:                I agree RT @LisaFromNYC: tbh, I got lost with who wanted what & why. And I skimmed much of the dialogue. #ReaderFailed :( #scriptchat

12:38 am              kmorotti:             RT @ozzywood: Lynch was asked to direct Star Wars VI - Hysterical Q&A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJQ4vCu-S0U #scriptchat

12:38 am              KatZandvakili:    EM, Blue Velvet, these films packed a punch ~ #scriptchat

12:38 am              J_GriffinB:           @timstubinski I beleive one is already in the works. #scriptchat

12:38 am              J_GriffinB:           RT @souzawrites: Dune is a parable for the Middle East, a worthless sand patch no 1 would want save for 1 valuable resource - #scriptchat

12:38 am              GoIntoTheStory:              "Dune" felt more like a work-for-hire. #scriptchat

12:38 am              julichilliard:         RT @dwacon: @simonm223 Now there is a plot device. Wife arrives, wants attention. Works in any genre, too... #scriptchat

12:38 am              booksbelow:      @timstubinski Someone in euro chat said there is remake in the works. #scriptchat

12:38 am              KatZandvakili:    RT @souzawrites: Dune is a parable for the Middle East, a worthless sand patch no 1 would want save for 1 valuable resource - that is the core #scriptchat

12:39 am              thinkStory:          @souzawrites very interesting, good point. and it creates an invincible army. #scriptchat

12:39 am              GoIntoTheStory:              What did any of you learn from reading "Dune"? What to avoid, what to do in your screenwriting? #scriptchat

12:39 am              slognoth:             Have to get going. enjoy all. #scriptchat

12:39 am              nate_winslow: @GoIntoTheStory Yeah, he obviously never quite connected to the material I dont think. Not to the extent of Elephant Man. #scriptchat

12:39 am              GinySassenach:                I thought It had already had one remake? #scriptchat

12:39 am              booksbelow:      RT @souzawrites: Dune is a parable for the Middle East, a worthless sand patch no 1 would want save for 1 valuable resource #scriptchat

12:39 am              mdaystory:         @GinySassenach me too - re:Elephant Man. It stands well the test of time. #scriptchat

12:39 am              art1032:                Absolutely.:)@GoIntoTheStory "Elephant Man": Great movie.Lynch has an interest in freakish things.Humanized Merrick beautifully.#scriptchat

12:40 am              KatZandvakili:    @JohnMiewald I like what you said, and will remember it ~ thank you ~ #scriptchat

12:40 am              yeah_write:       Yes. RT @GoIntoTheStory: What did any of you learn from reading "Dune"? What to avoid, what to do in your screenwriting? #scriptchat

12:40 am              julichilliard:         RT @GoIntoTheStory: 1. Don't clutter your script with too many characters. Each character should have a narrative function. If not, out. #scriptchat

12:40 am              nate_winslow: @GoIntoTheStory Every character has to matter. V.O. is still dicey. Exposition needs to be fast, first and visually exciting. #scriptchat

12:40 am              tracinell:               @GoIntoTheStory light touch on exposition, give characters...character. :) #scriptchat

12:40 am              eyamie:                @GoIntoTheStory I learned that auteurs can get away with a lot more. Or are they called Mubimakers now? #scriptchat

12:40 am              mmilam44:          I gotta bounce and get ready for work #scriptchat

12:40 am              timstubinski:      @J_GriffinB totally don't doubt that! #scriptchat

12:40 am              GinySassenach:                RT@KatZandvakili: RT @souzawrites: Dune ia parable 4 Middle East, a worthless sandpatch no 1 would save 4 1 valuable resource - #scriptchat

12:40 am              thinkStory:          don't be gross just to be gross. #scriptchat

12:41 am              J_GriffinB:           @yeah_write Watch it when you decide you need to create words or transliterate them. Can make for hard moments. #scriptchat

12:41 am              yeah_write:       I must say @nate_winslow and @GoIntoTheStory are doing a fine moderating job tonight. #scriptchat

12:42 am              booksbelow:      You mean the heart plugs? :-) RT @thinkStory: dont be gross just to be gross. #scriptchat

12:42 am              SharkGoddess:                 @GoIntoTheStory Blue Velvet, main character, Hopper's, was seriously messed up. Hard to convey, that w/out coming off fake #scriptchat

12:42 am              tracinell:               RT @yeah_write: I must say @nate_winslow and @GoIntoTheStory are doing a fine moderating job tonight. #scriptchat

12:42 am              cinematicshot: Thanks Nate and Scott. #scriptchat

12:42 am              bekka_black:     I learned: find or pick an emotional core to the story and build around that #scriptchat #scriptchat

12:43 am              timstubinski:      @booksbelow wow, anybody in place yet? #scriptchat

12:43 am              mdaystory:         @thinkStory Think one can only truly be gross if one is gross. Grossness inauthentic otherwise. ;-) #scriptchat

12:43 am              GinySassenach:                G2G bye #scriptchat

12:43 am              nate_winslow: @yeah_write Scott's moderating the shit out of it. I'm successfully taking credit for it. #scriptchat

12:43 am              michael2172:      Sci-Fi Channel did a remake called Frank Herbert?s dune it was in three parts. #scriptchat

12:43 am              thinkStory:          @booksbelow yeah, heart plugs, whatever! to have such a rich primary resource then decide to throw in something gratuitous... ? #scriptchat

12:43 am              art1032:                2 thumbs up. :)@cinematicshot Thanks Nate and Scott. #scriptchat

12:43 am              GoIntoTheStory:              @bekka_black Re emotional core of story: Every script reader I know wants to read a script that makes them FEEL something. #scriptchat

12:43 am              SharkGoddess:                 @GoIntoTheStory Same with Sc-fi, ala Dune...he did well in that respect..most character are believeable in Dune #scriptchat

12:43 am              julichilliard:         RT @thinkStory: don't be gross just to be gross. #scriptchat

12:43 am              Coord38N27W:                 @GoIntoTheStory Actually Dune feels rushed. That Lynch had no time to polish the script, deciding to keep rather than cut. #Scriptchat

12:44 am              booksbelow:      @timstubinski Can't remember, have to check transcript for euro scripchat later. #scriptchat

12:44 am              garnerhaines:    #scriptchat came in late. Talking about adaptation?

12:44 am              eyamie:                @michael2172 It was good, too. #scriptchat

12:44 am              J_GriffinB:           @GoIntoTheStory then why are so many films today lacking in that draw? #scriptchat

12:44 am              nate_winslow: I think lessons from Dune are esp relevant in our day of huge $200m action movies without any emotion betw leads (Transformers.) #scriptchat

12:44 am              MishaPolonsky:                @GoIntoTheStory One thing I learned: find another way to show the action instead of using V.O. and inner voice. #scriptchat

12:44 am              J_GriffinB:           @Coord38N27W Sounds true. #scriptchat

12:45 am              michael2172:      @eyamie I loved it and have it on DVD #scriptchat

12:45 am              eyamie:                RT @nate_winslow: I think lessons from Dune are esp relevant in our day of huge $200m action movies without any emotion betw leads (Transformers.) #scriptchat

12:45 am              GeneDoucette:                late as well... #scriptchat

12:45 am              nate_winslow: When the action gets bigger and the scope gets more epic, you HAVE to have characters we care about. Or else its just sfx. #scriptchat

12:45 am              thinkStory:          @mdaystory one must find one's inner grossness. #scriptchat

12:45 am              julichilliard:         RT @souzawrites: Dune is a parable for the Middle East, a worthless sand patch no 1 would want save for 1 valuable resource - that is the core #scriptchat

12:45 am              J_GriffinB:           @MishaPolonsky Show the thought, you mean? #scriptchat

12:45 am              KatZandvakili:    @GoIntoThe Story Dune script reminded me to stay clear, focused, & write from love/soul. #scriptchat

12:45 am              timstubinski:      @booksbelow yes please do, I am very curious, if any book could use a do-over...#scriptchat

12:45 am              SharkGoddess:                 @Coord38N27W Bingo! That's it! That's how it came off. But he did manage to tell and sell a compelling story #scriptchat

12:46 am              thinkStory:          to be fair, all that internal dialog (voiceover) was in the book, but maybe not good to translate so literally to the screen. #scriptchat

12:46 am              souzawrites:      @michael2172 Sci-Fi Channel did a remake. #scriptchat <= And it was much better, deeper development of story and characters.

12:46 am              MishaPolonsky:                @J_GriffinB Right, right :) #scriptchat

12:46 am              LisaFromNYC:    @nate_winslow agreed... x-formers felt like I was watching someone play a VG #ScriptChat

12:46 am              cinematicshot: Dune needed giant robots, CGI, and Megan Fox. #scriptchat

12:47 am              GoIntoTheStory:              @J_GriffinB Complicated question. Hwood CW special FX = big B.O. Look at Transformers 2 as proof. But no real emotional connect. #scriptchat

12:47 am              thinkStory:          @cinematicshot LOL! #scriptchat

12:47 am              timstubinski:      It's been 10 years since the mini-series #scriptchat

12:47 am              J_GriffinB:           @cinematicshot I think I taste vomit in my mouth. #scriptchat

12:47 am              KatZandvakili:    @nate_winslow amen #scriptchat

12:47 am              eyamie:                @cinematicshot WRONG. Dune needed to be shot in 3D! #scriptchat

12:47 am              art1032:                Exactly write w/emotion @KatZandvakili @GoIntoThe Story Dune script reminded me to stay clear, focused, & write from love/soul. #scriptchat

12:47 am              cinematicshot: @J_GriffinB LOL! #scriptchat

12:47 am              bekka_black:     Dune, for instance, could be about the mother and what she risks for her kids, Paul and that creepy baby sister. #scriptchat #scriptchat

12:48 am              GoIntoTheStory:              I'd like to see what Aronofsky could do with "Dune." #scriptchat

12:48 am              nate_winslow: @LisaFromNYC Biggest video game ever. @cinematicshot And a camera spinning around two characters in a circle endlessly!!! #scriptchat

12:48 am              J_GriffinB:           @GoIntoTheStory Nostalgia is part of the reason for the success of Transformers. Many grew up watching cartoon. #scriptchat

12:48 am              KageyNYC:          Don't we all. RT @cinematicshot: Dune needed giant robots, CGI, and Megan Fox. #scriptchat

12:48 am              yeah_write:       OMG too funny. RT @cinematicshot: Dune needed giant robots, CGI, and Megan Fox #scriptchat

12:48 am              nate_winslow: Or Fincher. RT @GoIntoTheStory: Id like to see what Aronofsky could do with "Dune." #scriptchat

12:48 am              Shanipedia:        He tried. It was called "The Fountain". RT @GoIntoTheStory: Id like to see what Aronofsky could do with "Dune." #scriptchat

12:49 am              bekka_black:     Me too! RT @GoIntoTheStory: Id like to see what Aronofsky could do with "Dune." #scriptchat

12:49 am              tracinell:               Ha! RT @KageyNYC: Dont we all. RT @cinematicshot: Dune needed giant robots, CGI, and Megan Fox. #scriptchat

12:49 am              julichilliard:         RT @nate_winslow: I think lessons from Dune are esp relevant in our day of huge $200m action movies without any emotion betw leads (Transformers.) #scriptchat

12:49 am              GeneDoucette:                @cinematicshot wait, Megan Fox is real? I thought she was another effect. #scriptchat

12:49 am              yeah_write:       Putting these in my next project = box office hit! RT @cinematicshot: Dune needed giant robots, CGI, and Megan Fox.#scriptchat

12:49 am              J_GriffinB:           I, for one, think everyone could do without the last bit, about MF. Those are the initials she chose, you know? #scriptchat

12:49 am              KatZandvakili:    @art1032 Yes, it's what it's all about ~ script, film, sculpture or anything else really #scriptchat

12:49 am              timstubinski:      or...maybe Dune would be better with sassy monkeys in all the lead roles, and Jon Voight #scriptchat

12:49 am              jeannevb:           10 more min of DUNE talk. Hope ur all enjoying it as much as I'm diggin the fair fried dough :) #scriptchat

12:49 am              J_GriffinB:           RT @GeneDoucette: @cinematicshot wait, Megan Fox is real? I thought she was another effect. #scriptchat

12:50 am              LisaFromNYC:    when they do "foundation" they better not mess it up #CrazyBookFan #ScriptChat

12:50 am              julichilliard:         #scriptchat Y'all are a fun group. Thanks for letting me stick my head in. Nice to meet some new peeps. Have a good night.

12:50 am              nate_winslow: Q: Was there anything in DUNE that you thought worked really well? Or just worked? #scriptchat

12:50 am              GeneDoucette:                @LisaFromNYC Foundation? Oy. Some books shouldn't be movies. #scriptchat

12:50 am              booksbelow:      @timstubinski RT @nate_winslow: Oh, and they ARE remaking DUNE. Pierre Morel (Taken) is directing. 2012-ish release date. #scriptchat

12:50 am              KatZandvakili:    @julichilliard Good night & thanks for your comments! #scriptchat

12:50 am              thinkStory:          @julichilliard u 2 Juli :) #scriptchat

12:51 am              tracinell:               I'm gonna wet my pants! RT @GeneDoucette: @cinematicshot wait, Megan Fox is real? I thought she was another effect. #scriptchat

12:51 am              michael2172:      Megan Fox as Reverend mother Ramallo LOL #scriptchat

12:51 am              GoIntoTheStory:              While Paul is the logical choice for central character, his mother was more interesting to me on an emotional level. #scriptchat

12:51 am              thinkStory:          @nate_winslow page 122. (okay, I'm being snarky.) #scriptchat

12:51 am              J_GriffinB:           @nate_winslow the Navigators. In, plot device delivered, out. #scriptchat

12:51 am              art1032:                LOL,yes very much.@jeannevb 10 more min of DUNE talk. Hope ur all enjoying it as much as I'm diggin the fair fried dough :) #scriptchat

12:51 am              scriptdreric:        @jeannevb Oh, it's #scriptchat - no WONDER so many people are talking about Dune. I thought I was having a flashback... :)

12:51 am              nate_winslow: @julichilliard Thanks for stopping by! #scriptchat

12:51 am              souzawrites:      RT @cinematicshot Dune needed giant robots, CGI, and Megan Fox. #scriptchat <= And bacon (maybe Kevin Bacon) & a theme song by Kenny Loggins

12:51 am              KageyNYC:          All I think of when I see Kyle MacLachlan is he can't get an erection. I guess it's time I stop watching Sex & the City reruns. #scriptchat

12:52 am              mdaystory:         @thinkStory haha. agree. #scriptchat

12:52 am              KatZandvakili:    @nate_winslow Sometimes Jessica's voice, the Inner Voice, the horror of the worms... #scriptchat

12:52 am              thinkStory:          @nate_winslow actually, the settings were cool; but I guess that's more the execution, not the script. hmmm. not much. #scriptchat

12:52 am              GoIntoTheStory:              @scriptdreric Spice will do that to you (i.e., flashbacks). #scriptchat

12:52 am              J_GriffinB:           @souzawrites wasn't the movie six degrees from Bacon anyway? #scriptchat

12:52 am              mdaystory:         @jeannevb ah, there you are. hello hon! xo #scriptchat

12:52 am              nate_winslow: @thinkStory Lol. Burn. @J_GriffinB Agreed. I thought that was done pretty well. Esp in 1983. #scriptchat

12:52 am              tracinell:               hi @scriptdreric #scriptchat

12:52 am              rachlanger:         Do you think there is such a thing as an Unfilmable Novel? #scriptchat

12:52 am              GeneDoucette:                @cinematicshot can the room tolerate an OT question or two abt contracts? I'm about to sign a few tomorrow. #scriptchat

12:52 am              bekka_black:     @GoIntoTheStory The mother has some very tough choices, plus she's likable and it's a POV we haven't seen on DUNE #scriptchat

12:52 am              eyamie:                I think "stick your finger into my over-the-top motif." #scriptchat

12:53 am              LisaFromNYC:    RT @KageyNYC: All I think of when I see Kyle MacLachlan is he can't get an erection. I guess it's time I stop watching Sex & the City reruns. #scriptchat

12:53 am              nate_winslow: @thinkStory I agree! I thought he made all the planets fantastically distinct, design-wise. But. Yeah. Not script so much. #scriptchat

12:53 am              KatZandvakili:    RT @eyamie: I think "stick your finger into my over-the-top motif." #scriptchat

12:53 am              J_GriffinB:           @GeneDoucette Congrats! #scriptchat

12:53 am              KatZandvakili:    @eyamie hilarious! #scriptchat

12:53 am              Shanipedia:        @GeneDoucette Option or purchase? #scriptchat

12:53 am              booksbelow:      @mdaystory she (@jeannevb) is hiding out at fair eating fried dough! #scriptchat

12:54 am              ruminski:             Fuckin' ACK! Can't believe I missed the Dune #scriptchat - both the book and the film were formative influences for me growing up.

12:54 am              nate_winslow: RT @GeneDoucette: @cinematicshot can the room tolerate an OT question or two abt contracts? Im about to sign a few tomorrow. #scriptchat

12:54 am              GoIntoTheStory:              Trivia: The line "The worm is the spice. The spice is the worm." isn't in the script I don't think. #scriptchat

12:54 am              GeneDoucette:                @J_GriffinB thanks! #scriptchat

12:54 am              J_GriffinB:           @bekka_black It might work, but she's really an evil witch, trained by evil witches. #scriptchat

12:54 am              KatZandvakili:    @GeneDoucette Congrats! #scriptchat

12:54 am              yeah_write:       I want to thank @nate_winslow and @gointothestory for moderating this interesting chat on how NOT to write a script. #scriptchat

12:54 am              SharkGoddess:                 @GoIntoTheStory Would've liked to have seen more between Paul & his father, to understand why Paul loved & revered him so. #scriptchat

12:54 am              GCGeek:              Hi my name is Mike. I never read the Dune trilogy but pretended I did in high school so the other nerds would still accept me. #scriptchat

12:54 am              GoIntoTheStory:              Waking the sleeper - very Jungian. #scriptchat

12:54 am              timstubinski:      @rachlanger yes, a bad novel ;) #scriptchat

12:54 am              GeneDoucette:                @Shanipedia complicated, RE: Option or purchase. #scriptchat

12:55 am              bekka_black:     @J_GriffinB And that's...BAD? #scriptchat

12:55 am              GeneDoucette:                @Shanipedia contracts to write treatments for scripts I'll have the first option to write later, plus 1 contract to purchase. #scriptchat

12:55 am              mmilam44:          Gotta leave #scriptchat and get set for work.

12:55 am              yeah_write:       LMFAO RT @GCGeek: Hi my name is Mike. I never read the Dune trilogy but pretended I did in high school so the other nerds...#scriptchat

12:55 am              Shanipedia:        It sounds complicated if it's neither. Be careful. RT @GeneDoucette: @Shanipedia complicated, RE: Option or purchase. #scriptchat

12:55 am              mdaystory:         @rachlanger yes! Actually thought The Hours was unfilmable when I read it. Guess David Hare could adapt Kama Sutra if he had to. #scriptchat

12:55 am              Quantamancer:                RT @souzawrites: RT @cinematicshot Dune needed giant robots, CGI, and Megan Fox. #scriptchat <= And bacon (maybe Kevin Bacon) & a theme song by Kenny Loggins

12:55 am              MishaPolonsky:                @nate_winslow What worked? Personally, comparing the script to the final movie, I thought the script worked just a tad better. #scriptchat

12:56 am              J_GriffinB:           @bekka_black No, just something that can't be forgotten in storytelling. #scriptchat

12:56 am              nate_winslow: @yeah_write Very welcome :) Thanks to the #treefort for hosting and being generally incredibly awesome! #scriptchat

12:56 am              TracyClark_TLC:                RT @JohnMiewald: The real lesson is that if you feel you are writing something that "everyone will love" you are going to fail. #scriptchat

12:56 am              elaineewing:      .@KageyNYC I think of that ear in the freshly mowed grass. #bluevelvet #scriptchat #pabstblueribbon

12:56 am              tracinell:               @GCGeek you too? ;) #scriptchat

12:56 am              GCGeek:              Crikey!! @GoIntoTheStory was here tonight and I missed it? #scriptchat

12:56 am              J_GriffinB:           @bekka_black and therefore might require more exposition. #scriptchat

12:56 am              mdaystory:         @booksbelow @jeannevb Fried dough? hope she has something to wash it down with. #tequilatime? ;-) #scriptchat

12:56 am              Shanipedia:        @GeneDoucette are the treatments your original idea(s)? #scriptchat

12:56 am              GeneDoucette:                @Shanipedia it's for a series of short films. I've written half of the treatments already, and one completed script. #scriptchat

12:56 am              yeah_write:       While we have you here, join us for #scriptSept and read a script a day. Then post what you are reading. #scriptchat

12:57 am              jeannevb:           @scriptdreric haha #scriptchat

12:57 am              bekka_black:     @J_GriffinB Agreed. But I think it makes her noble acts more interesting. She goes against her training a lot #scriptchat

12:57 am              GeneDoucette:                @Shanipedia public domain ghost stories. #scriptchat

12:57 am              nate_winslow: @MishaPolonsky I might be inclined to agree. Checking out the draft before this might be worth it. More "together" apparently. #scriptchat

12:57 am              Scatoma:             Strewnfields weekly chapter_ http://scr.bi/9RUfkI #amwriting #writing #bookbuzzr #scriptchat #fiction #novels #writers #readcast #Books

12:57 am              bekka_black:     @J_GriffinB I think you could do it by showing what happened when she stuck her hand in the box + her wedding day #scriptchat

12:57 am              yeah_write:       *grins* RT @nate_winslow: @yeah_write Very welcomeThanks to the #treefort for hosting and being generally incredibly awesome! #scriptchat

12:57 am              jeannevb:           :) RT @art1032: LOL,yes very much.@jeannevb 10 min of DUNE talk. Hope ur all enjoying it as much as I'm diggin fair fried dough #scriptchat

12:57 am              JustinWHedges:               Hey, I LIKE giant robots, CGI, & Megan Fox. RT @yeah_write OMG 2 funny. RT @cinematicshot -giant robots, CGI, and Megan Fox #scriptchat

12:57 am              MishaPolonsky:                @yeah_write Ooh, that reminds me - I gotta pick my script to read tonight! #scriptSept #scriptchat

12:57 am              KageyNYC:          @elaineewing You see, I *wish* that's what I thought of! Damned reruns... #bluevelvet #scriptchat #pabstblueribbon

12:57 am              thinkStory:          lotsa fun tonite folks, thanks for the gr8 topic. #scriptchat

12:58 am              GoIntoTheStory:              Here's a virtual margarita coming to everyone out there. On the rocks. Salt. And a delicious twist of lime. Good night! #scriptchat

12:58 am              rachlanger:         @mdaystory Even with The Watchmen, I wondered what would come of that, the "unfilmable Graphic Novel" #scriptchat

12:58 am              J_GriffinB:           @bekka_black Maud'ib's Momma, the tale of Mary. #scriptchat

12:58 am              jeannevb:           Hi babe! RT @mdaystory: @jeannevb ah, there you are. hello hon! xo #scriptchat

12:58 am              michael2172:      had fun thanks have a great night. #scriptchat

12:58 am              LisaFromNYC:    @yeah_write what is scriptsept? #ScriptChat

12:58 am              nate_winslow: Thanks to everyone who came out tonight! Awesome discussion. See you guys next weekend. #scriptchat

12:59 am              rachlanger:         @GoIntoTheStory @nate_winslow Excellent job moderators, thank you! #scriptchat

12:59 am              KatZandvakili:    @GoIntoTheStory Thank you & good night! #scriptchat

12:59 am              yeah_write:       Read a script a day this month and post with hashtag abt what u read. RT @LisaFromNYC: @yeah_write what is scriptsept? #scriptchat

12:59 am              tracinell:               thank you @nate_winslow and @GoIntoTheStory and the #treefort! goodnight and have a great Labor Day! #scriptchat

12:59 am              jeannevb:           Just had fried oreos! RT @booksbelow: @mdaystory she (@jeannevb) is hiding out at fair eating fried dough! #scriptchat

12:59 am              J_GriffinB:           is going to go back to writing his novel, or at least staring at the screen. #scriptchat

1:00 am                MishaPolonsky:                @GoIntoTheStory @nate_winslow Cheers guys. Thanks - it was a great discussion. Have a good night. #scriptchat

1:00 am                LisaFromNYC:    RT @rachlanger: @GoIntoTheStory @nate_winslow Excellent job moderators, thank you! #ScriptChat

1:00 am                Shanipedia:        @GeneDoucette Clauses in treatment contract re: future film ops and/or TV? Your germinal creation/characters deserves credit #scriptchat

1:00 am                mdaystory:         @rachlanger re:The Watchmen - yes! And Where The Wild Things Are - should've left that one well alone. #scriptchat

1:00 am                KageyNYC:          Very impressed how @GoIntoTheStory & @nate_winslow wrangled us #scriptchat kids. It's not easy, we're a rascally bunch. Thanks!

1:00 am                yeah_write:       Wow, that was a lightning fast hour. Thanks to our guest moderators. Great job, we may have to invite you back soon! #scriptchat

1:00 am                booksbelow:      Thanks to @nate_winslow & @GoIntoTheStory for their time and thoughts. #scriptchat

1:01 am                GeneDoucette:                @Shanipedia good q. Dunno, haven't seen contract yet. Don't even know what to ask for. It will be 4 plus a point per treatment. #scriptchat

1:01 am                mdaystory:         @jeannevb fried oreos? didn't know there was such a thing. yum @booksbelow #scriptchat

1:01 am                art1032:                @GoIntoTheStory Great chat sir!! Thanks! :) #scriptchat

1:01 am                GeneDoucette:                @Shanipedia sorry not 4. It will be $ plus a point. #scriptchat

1:02 am                yeah_write:       @MishaPolonsky I'm picking my script in the next hour. I have to finish making jewelry before I read. #scriptSept #scriptchat

1:02 am                jeannevb:           Thank u to @nate_winslow & @GoIntoTheStory for hosting #scriptchat tonight! Great to have u! I'll pull transcript when I get home

1:02 am                Shanipedia:        @GeneDoucette: Don't sign it on the spot. Review it. If a film and/or TV show come from it you could get ditched. Be careful. #scriptchat

1:02 am                KatZandvakili:    @yeah_write Where do we pick up scripts pls? This will be great! #scriptchat

1:03 am                jeannevb:           Ditto! RT @rachlanger: @GoIntoTheStory @nate_winslow Excellent job moderators, thank you! #scriptchat

1:03 am                blankethouse:   Ah, missed #scriptchat ! Kids were out late since no school. I never seen the Dune movie or read it, so I'm out! Lol

1:03 am                MishaPolonsky:                @KatZandvakili I can send a few links your way. #scriptchat

1:03 am                yeah_write:       @KatZandvakili You can pick any script. TV or feature. Share what you are reading. www.scriptchat.com has links to scripts #scriptchat

1:04 am                GeneDoucette:                @Shanipedia Good advice. The one script being bought: I've read 2-3% of gross budget + points is standard; about right? #scriptchat

1:04 am                KatZandvakili:    @yeah_write Got it, thanks ~ #scriptchat

1:04 am                nate_winslow: @KageyNYC #scriptchat citizens are a joy and a pleasure. Only the gentlest and tenderest of wrangling was necessary. Thanks for the invite!

1:04 am                KatZandvakili:    @MishaPolonsky Perfect! Thank you ~ #scriptchat

1:04 am                Shanipedia:        @KatZandvakili mypdfscripts.com and http://tinyurl.com/27fckm8 #scriptchat

1:05 am                yeah_write:       @KatZandvakili Then just add #scriptSept to your tweets and let us know what you read each day. #scriptchat

1:05 am                nate_winslow: @jeannevb #scriptchat was a shot or two of tequila short tonight, but we pulled through anyways. Fun as always :)

1:06 am                KatZandvakili:    @Shanipedia a million thanks ~ #scriptchat

1:06 am                TacoBuff:             :D RT @KageyNYC: Don't we all. RT @cinematicshot: Dune needed giant robots, CGI, and Megan Fox. #scriptchat

1:06 am                KatZandvakili:    @yeah_write ok, will do ~ thanks ~ #scriptchat

1:06 am                Shanipedia:        @GeneDoucette nothing up front? If so, it's an option deal. If they are buying it with just points you are getting bamboozled. #scriptchat

1:07 am                LisaReadsALot: @GoIntoTheStory It's delicious - thanks! #scriptchat

1:07 am                yeah_write:       He just gave you some great links. The scriptchat site has several too. RT @KatZandvakili: @Shanipedia a million thanks ~ #scriptchat

1:07 am                GeneDoucette:                @Shanipedia nono, some $ up front for the treatments. Just... not much. Treatment deals aren't things I've seen a lot on. #scriptchat

1:08 am                GeneDoucette:                @Shanipedia The script sale is $ plus, but I don't know what the $ or the plus is yet. #scriptchat

1:08 am                bekka_black:     Thanks to @nate_winslow & @GoIntoTheStory for a great discussion! #scriptchat

1:08 am                blankethouse:   If anyone cares I did some acting this past week. I will be on an episode of 30Rock Sept 30 or Oct 7. #scriptchat

1:09 am                LisaFromNYC:    I started Operation Endgame (aka Rogue's gallery), will probably finish it 2morrow. #scriptchat #scriptSept

1:09 am                RickRapier:          Sry about missing #scriptchat Family time on LD weekend. But slept thru Lynch's DUNE. That's NOT entertainment. LOL

1:09 am                KageyNYC:          @nate_winslow Aw, you sound like #scriptchat 's mother. That's too sweet. :))

1:09 am                rachlanger:         One advantage to being home sick on a Sunday night - made it to #scriptchat! (Can't afford booze after 3 days off, so sober chat it was!)

1:09 am                RickRapier:          wOOt! RT @blankethouse: If anyone cares I did some acting this past week. I will be on an episode of 30Rock Sept 30 or Oct 7. #scriptchat

1:09 am                KatZandvakili:    @yeah_write I know, most generous of him ~ just wonderful ~ thanks again @Shanipedia #scriptchat

1:10 am                Shanipedia:        @GeneDoucette They're not common. Treatments are part of step process in deal. Treatment, 1st draft, 1st rev, 2nd rev, polish #scriptchat

1:10 am                LisaFromNYC:    congrats RT @blankethouse: If anyone cares I did some acting this past week. I will be on an episode of 30Rock Sept 30 or Oct 7. #ScriptChat

1:10 am                mdaystory:         @rachlanger Sober chat? didn't know such a thing existed. a bit like @jeannevb 's fried oreos. ;-) #scriptchat

1:10 am                KatZandvakili:    @RickRapier Hey, congrats!! #scriptchat

1:11 am                KatZandvakili:    @RickRapier :) that was the general consensus #scriptchat

1:11 am                Shanipedia:        @GeneDoucette You're creating the characters. Make sure they can't ditch you after treatment and/or 1st draft w/o compensation #scriptchat

1:11 am                GeneDoucette:                @Shanipedia yeah, that's where it gets sticky. I'm establishing the "voice" of the series, as it were. Possible partnership l8r. #scriptchat

1:13 am                jeannevb:           Fabulous! RT @mdaystory: @jeannevb fried oreos? didn't know there was such a thing. yum @booksbelow #scriptchat

1:13 am                Shanipedia:        "Trust me" and "take my word for it" don't mean squat in this field. Make sure it's on paper. Pilot Directors get paid every ep #scriptchat

1:14 am                GeneDoucette:                @Shanipedia so, get 1st crack at script into contract. OK. #scriptchat

1:15 am                Shanipedia:        @GeneDoucette they are responsible for tone/characters. Writers of pilots are often EPs. Make sure u can't get thrown under bus. #scriptchat

1:15 am                Shanipedia:        Yes. At least. RT @GeneDoucette: @Shanipedia so, get 1st crack at script into contract. OK. #scriptchat