Character Development and Plot Transcript September 13, 2010

#Scriptchat TOPIC: How character development and choices affects plot

One of the great benefits of getting a group of writers together is hearing the varying opinions on craft.  There was indeed no shortage tonight.  Read on to learn the global view and strategies of how to use both plot and characters to drive your story forward. @jeannevb

EURO moderator: Mina Zaher, @DreamsGrafter

USA moderator: Jeanne Veillette Bowerman, @jeannevb

EURO CHAT:

7:00 pm                DreamsGrafter:                #SCRIPTCHAT O'CLOCK!

7:01 pm             DreamsGrafter:             Tonight we're talking about how character development & choices affects plot. Everyone welcome! Feel free to jump in ... :) #scriptchat

7:02 pm             DreamsGrafter:             Haha, I was enjoying catching up w/ tweeps I almost forgot the time. ;) #scriptchat

7:03 pm             davidpbaker:             RT @DreamsGrafter: Tonight we're talking about how character development & choices affects plot. Everyone welcome! Feel free to jump in ... :) #scriptchat

7:04 pm             maidenmatt:             @DreamsGrafter I suppose character development is what defines the direction of your plot decisions even the basics like gender. #scriptchat

7:05 pm             DreamsGrafter:             RT @maidenmatt: @DreamsGrafter I suppose character development is what defines the direction of your plot decisions even the basics like gender. #scriptchat

7:06 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @maidenmatt Absolutely. Character is story. #scriptchat

7:06 pm             CuttingRoomMRB:             @jeannevb Hope you caught the beginning of the show with @entrancetohell. Gave #scriptchat a heavy plug. http://bit.ly/biFm0B

7:06 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @maidenmatt Though have you ever written something that was so plotty, the characters didn't ring true. #scriptchat - I have. ;s

7:06 pm             maidenmatt:             Eg. Would you kill off a female character in as graphic detail as a male character? #scriptchat

7:07 pm             DreamsGrafter:             RT @maidenmatt: Eg. Would you kill off a female character in as graphic detail as a male character? #scriptchat

7:07 pm             rpg3000:             RT @DreamsGrafter: Tonight we're talking about how character development & choices affects plot. Everyone welcome! Feel free to jump in ... :) #scriptchat

7:08 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @maidenmatt That's a really good point. Same w/ jokes about rape (I know it's not plot) but there is fine line w/ gender. #scriptchat

7:08 pm             rpg3000:             Hey #scriptchat. I reckon character and plot are best treated as one and inseparable. That's when great drama really works.

7:09 pm             DreamsGrafter:             #SCRIPTCHAT: Talking about how character development & choices affects plot. Everyone welcome! Feel free to jump in ... :) #scriptchat

7:09 pm             SharkGoddess:             @CuttingRoomMRB Thank you! I just started in this biz & it's help me quite a bit! #ScriptChat has also given me a web of support too! Love!

7:10 pm             maidenmatt:             @DreamsGrafter I've written pieces where I've tried to take a general perception of a character in a new direction and failed. #scriptchat

7:10 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @rpg3000 As a starting point, which do you look at first? #scriptchat

7:11 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @maidenmatt Audience expectation is a powerful thing i.e. genres. But what about SALT -That was originally written 4 Tom Cruise. #scriptchat

7:11 pm             LisaFromNYC:             I think u have to consider a char flaws to plot his/her growth. ex: a selfish char could end in a sacrifice of some sort. #ScriptChat

7:11 pm             john_hunter:             #Scriptchat Where do you start? Character or plot?

7:12 pm             DreamsGrafter:             RT @LisaFromNYC: I think u have to consider a char flaws to plot his/her growth. ex: a selfish char could end in a sacrifice of some sort. #ScriptChat

7:12 pm             rpg3000:             @DreamsGrafter In an ideal world, character first. Works best when everything comes from there. Always exceptions of course. #scriptchat

7:12 pm             maidenmatt:             Start w/ the Protagonist and develop his/her story RT @DreamsGrafter: @rpg3000 As a starting point, which do you look at first? #scriptchat

7:12 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @john_hunter John! You've made it. :)) #scriptchat Welcome. x

7:12 pm             DreamsGrafter:             RT @john_hunter: #Scriptchat Where do you start? Character or plot?

7:13 pm             rpg3000:             Think it was John York I first heard say: "characters are what they do, not what they say..." #scriptchat

7:13 pm             DreamsGrafter:             Where do you start? RT @john_hunter: #Scriptchat Where do you start? Character or plot?

7:13 pm             rpg3000:             Then I like to add: "...and what characters do is the plot." Makes it seem so simple. #scriptchat

7:14 pm             mmilam44:             I think characters and knowing their path is key to the story in some ways. #scriptchat It's an issue i'm battling with.

7:14 pm             john_hunter:             I guess I'll get idea about plot/setting/genre - ie. It's an action movie with a city under siege from sentient lamp posts etc #scriptchat

7:14 pm             LisaFromNYC:             @DreamsGrafter U have a plot defined, but for me the character chosen would dictate the decisions/direction. #ScriptChat

7:14 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @rpg3000 I start w/ chars but a few times w/ feedbk, it's abt fixing the plot. Then I focus on the plot then it becomes plotty. #scriptchat

7:15 pm             DreamsGrafter:             RT @mmilam44: I think characters and knowing their path is key to the story in some ways. #scriptchat It's an issue i'm battling with.

7:15 pm             DreamsGrafter:             RT @LisaFromNYC: @DreamsGrafter U have a plot defined, but for me the character chosen would dictate the decisions/direction. #ScriptChat

7:15 pm             LisaFromNYC:             If u dictate primarily on plot. Then your character may make decisions that contradict who they are, then it feels forced #ScriptChat

7:16 pm             john_hunter:             THEN I'll work out who character to defeat lamp posts is + shape of plot happens by working out character's story. Or something #scriptchat

7:16 pm             janetvaneeden:             #scriptchat Must be honest I find an appealing character is almost always the place start. If I don't love my character, I'm not drawn in

7:16 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @john_hunter So where does your character come from and how does the film become his or her story? #scriptchat

7:16 pm             DreamsGrafter:             RT @rpg3000: Think it was John York I first heard say: "characters are what they do, not what they say..." #scriptchat

7:16 pm             DreamsGrafter:             RT @rpg3000: Then I like to add: "...and what characters do is the plot." Makes it seem so simple. #scriptchat

7:16 pm             DreamsGrafter:             RT @maidenmatt: Start w/ the Protagonist and develop his/her story RT @DreamsGrafter: @rpg3000 As a starting point, which do you look at first? #scriptchat

7:17 pm             chained:             RT @DreamsGrafter: #SCRIPTCHAT: Talking about how character development & choices affects plot. Everyone welcome! Feel free to jump in ... :) #scriptchat

7:17 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @LisaFromNYC I love the character's flaws ... means s/he has potential for growth - and that's the story. #scriptchat

7:18 pm             DreamsGrafter:             RT @LisaFromNYC: If u dictate primarily on plot. Then your character may make decisions that contradict who they are, then it feels forced #ScriptChat

7:18 pm             sweettweenie:             hello everyone, just lurking tonight :-) #scriptchat

7:18 pm             DreamsGrafter:             RT @janetvaneeden: #scriptchat Must be honest I find an appealing character is almost always the place start. If I don't love my character, I'm not drawn in

7:18 pm             maidenmatt:             Must admit when writing at College I would often create an abnormal environment and then try to find normal people to put in it. #scriptchat

7:18 pm             rpg3000:             @DreamsGrafter Yeah, I think genre can influence how difficult/easy this can be. But never "easy"! #scriptchat

7:19 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @janetvaneeden That's a good point - and if you don't love your character who else will? #scriptchat

7:19 pm             maidenmatt:             That was a few years ago now though! ;-) #scriptchat

7:19 pm             LisaFromNYC:             @DreamsGrafter I agree. Flaws are the biggest thing for me. Makes a more compelling char. #ScriptChat

7:20 pm             janetvaneeden:             @DreamsGrafter #scriptchat Character is the place I start. Almost always. If chars intrigue me, they're more likely to intrigue others.

7:21 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @sweettweenie Hey there ... :) #scriptchat

7:21 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @sweettweenie Hey there ... :) #scriptchat

7:21 pm             CuttingRoomMRB:             @scriptchat Did just that. Check out the replay - plug for #scriptchat was the first order of business today. http://bit.ly/aT4LZN

7:21 pm             john_hunter:             Once you have genre/vague premise sorted, I was taught nice character exercise: Make them the MOST *something* ever #scriptchat

7:21 pm             chained:             #scriptchat there are 6billion people alive that's enough characters to help u but please no more #CIA or assassins it's been done too much

7:21 pm             TaroJ:             #scriptchat I find it hard to separate . Plot comes first but how it develops depends on the characters but I often get stuck

7:21 pm             janetvaneeden:             @DreamsGrafter #scriptchat Yes, & then the char must have a need to make a journey. Plot springs out of the chars journey & int/ext needs.

7:21 pm             LisaFromNYC:             RT @janetvaneeden: @DreamsGrafter #scriptchat Character is the place I start. Almost always. If chars intrigue me, they're more likely to intrigue others.

7:22 pm             scriptchat:             RT @CuttingRoomMRB: @scriptchat Did just that. Check out the replay - plug for #scriptchat was the first order of business today. http://bit.ly/aT4LZN

7:22 pm             jeannevb:             RT @CuttingRoomMRB: @scriptchat Did just that. Check out the replay - plug for #scriptchat was the first order of business today. http://bit.ly/aT4LZN

7:23 pm             DreamsGrafter:             RT @janetvaneeden: @DreamsGrafter #scriptchat Yes, & then the char must have a need to make a journey. Plot springs out of the chars journey & int/ext needs.

7:23 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @janetvaneeden My very favourite point in a script is the midpoint - when the want/need are in direct conflict w/ each other. #scriptchat

7:24 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @TaroJ Get stuck how? #scriptchat

7:24 pm             DreamsGrafter:             RT @john_hunter: Once you have genre/vague premise sorted, I was taught nice character exercise: Make them the MOST *something* ever #scriptchat

7:25 pm             john_hunter:             If you make your character the MOST *something* (racist, agoraphobic, oppressed etc) then your plot is them becoming opposite #scriptchat

7:25 pm             filmutopia:             #scriptchat sorry to pimp and run, but I use character development spread sheets. I wrote about it here http://tinyurl.com/ylhp2ry

7:25 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @john_hunter Great advice. I just thought, make them the nicest person ever & instantly thought of the possible conflicts. #scriptchat

7:26 pm             jeannevb:             I'm TAKING THE PLUNGE! @ScreenwritingU's Pro Series is my nxt challenge. Who has guts to join me? http://bit.ly/90pjuF #scriptchat

7:26 pm             filmutopia:             #scriptchat. i don't normally do that, but I'm pressed for time tonight

7:26 pm             scriptchat:             RT @jeannevb: I'm TAKING THE PLUNGE! @ScreenwritingU's Pro Series is my nxt challenge. Who has guts to join me? http://bit.ly/90pjuF #scriptchat

7:27 pm             TaroJ:             #scriptchat stuck as in a lot of unfinished ideas and scripts. Just need to get my head down stop tinkering and start finishing

7:27 pm             janetvaneeden:             @DreamsGrafter #scriptchat Good point re midpoint. Yes. :)

7:27 pm             janetvaneeden:             RT @DreamsGrafter: @janetvaneeden My very favourite point in a script is the midpoint - when the want/need are in direct conflict w/ each other. #scriptchat

7:27 pm             DreamsGrafter:             RT @john_hunter: I guess I'll get idea about plot/setting/genre - ie. It's an action movie with a city under siege from sentient lamp posts etc #scriptchat

7:27 pm             john_hunter:             @DreamsGrafter That's a really nice point on liking the mid-point! (Usually I'm too annoyed with script by then ;-) #scriptchat

7:28 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @mmilam44 How's the battling going? How's your character doing? #scriptchat

7:28 pm             RaidPoint:             @johnhunter but plot of the becoming the opposite is the "most obvious" direction to go. which is what we try to avoid #scriptchat

7:29 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @john_hunter Midpoint's my fave point but that's when the shit really hits the fan ... the need - the inner self takes over. #scriptchat

7:29 pm             mmilam44:             @DreamsGrafter Well, what I am writing is a dysfunctional romance script in my head. #scriptchat

7:29 pm             RaidPoint:             RT @john_hunter: @DreamsGrafter That's a really nice point on liking the mid-point! (Usually I'm too annoyed with script by then #scriptchat

7:30 pm             mmilam44:             @DreamsGrafter My main character the victim-prone nice guy whose good nature gets him used up. He doesn't really see his nature #scriptchat

7:30 pm             mmilam44:             @DreamsGrafter as being a negative, but he soon will see how far his good behavior will get him #scriptchat

7:30 pm             rpg3000:             @john_hunter I wonder if that works better for film and maybe not so much for TV. What do you think? #scriptchat

7:30 pm             janetvaneeden:             RT @DreamsGrafter: @john_hunter Midpoint's my fave point but that's when the shit really hits the fan ... the need - the inner self takes over. #scriptchat

7:31 pm             john_hunter:             @RaidPoint Sure, it's *obvious* but I'm talking about a start point for shaping your plot. Your protagonist overcoming something #scriptchat

7:31 pm             janetvaneeden:             RT @HayleyMckenzie1: West Yorkshire Playhouse is now accepting unsolicited scripts: http://bit.ly/dkSDTB #scriptchat #writing #theatre

7:31 pm             john_hunter:             @rpg3000 Yeah, I think that's definitely film in a broad sence #scriptchat

7:32 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @john_hunter I love sending my character to their lowest point. It's the first half of act 2 I struggle w/. #scriptchat *tht sounds evil* :s

7:32 pm             CuttingRoomMRB:             If you decide on the kinds of people you want to have in your story, the plot evolves from the personality types #scriptchat.

7:32 pm             rpg3000:             With TV, Breaking Bad a great example of char actions/choices being the whole story with no external plot device. #scriptchat

7:32 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @DomCarver Hi Dom, it's #scriptchat o'clock. We're talking characters and plotting. Feel free to join in. :)

7:32 pm             rpg3000:             And FlashForward great example of empty plot device with no interesting chars taking no action at all. #scriptchat

7:32 pm             john_hunter:             @rpg3000 With TV characters, I think it's best when aspect is introduced when defeated in episode but character core stays same #scriptchat

7:33 pm             DreamsGrafter:             RT @rpg3000: And FlashForward great example of empty plot device with no interesting chars taking no action at all. #scriptchat

7:33 pm             RaidPoint:             @john_hunter ok. not my usual route. but can get what u mean #scriptchat

7:33 pm             john_hunter:             @rpg3000 Crass example: We learn Mulder is scared of fire but overcomes pyrophobia in same episode. Quest for Truth continues #scriptchat

7:34 pm             LisaFromNYC:             @DreamsGrafter the 1st pt of act 2 is a beast for me. That's when the subplot has to kick in. Need conflict 2 create a bridge #ScriptChat

7:34 pm             mmilam44:             @rpg3000 @DreamsGrafter See, I didn't get into Flash Forward. I just thought by the premise, so what? #scriptchat

7:34 pm             john_hunter:             @RaidPoint Obviously, I'm just telling you what *I*do...not *the* way to do it!! :-) #scriptchat

7:34 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @mmilam44 Does he have a strong goal? Right now, it sounds quite internal - *am wondering how his character affects plot* #scriptchat

7:34 pm             mmilam44:             What I'm afraid more than not being original, is not being interesting. #scriptchat

7:35 pm             LisaFromNYC:             RT @rpg3000: With TV, Breaking Bad a great example of char actions/choices being the whole story with no external plot device. #scriptchat

7:35 pm             KrisTheScript:             @john_hunter Blake Synder has a good theory about that being the journey and lesson learnt. Worth reading. #scriptchat

7:35 pm             maidenmatt:             I enjoy creating a normal character in a normal World and then throwing him into a unique scenario. E.g. War of the Worlds. #scriptchat

7:35 pm             janetvaneeden:             @dreamsgrafter #scriptchat Not getting updates here Mina. Think twitter over capacity so checking out now. Sorry. Good to say hello though

7:35 pm             mmilam44:             @DreamsGrafter See the goal for me was for him to have some strength in life. Breaking this relationship is one of them #scriptchat

7:35 pm             LisaFromNYC:             yep. boring is bad RT @mmilam44: What Im afraid more than not being original, is not being interesting. #ScriptChat

7:35 pm             TaroJ:             RT @mmilam44: What I'm afraid more than not being original, is not being interesting. #scriptchat

7:36 pm             DreamsGrafter:             RT @LisaFromNYC: @DreamsGrafter the 1st pt of act 2 is a beast for me. That's when the subplot has to kick in. Need conflict 2 create a bridge #ScriptChat

7:36 pm             rpg3000:             @mmilam44 Exactly. Thought it was poorly executed myself. High concept but lacking any solid characters to explore it. #scriptchat

7:36 pm             mmilam44:             @DreamsGrafter My whole point of this story is that sometimes a person can get lost in a relationship #scriptchat

7:36 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @LisaFromNYC That's a really good point about the subplot. Though sometimes, I've had subplots take over. #scriptchat

7:36 pm             RaidPoint:             @mmilam44 originality is nice but interesting is paramount. so good fear to have :)! nothing worse than a boring original story #scriptchat

7:36 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @LisaFromNYC How do you make sure the protagonist stays in the limelight and is still more interesting? #scriptchat

7:37 pm             john_hunter:             @KrisTheScript Ive read 2 of his books. Don't agree with everything but agree that character journey = plot pretty much #scriptchat

7:37 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @mmilam44 But doesn't a character have to be doing something. #scriptchat

7:38 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @mmilam44 If he has a goal then he'll have obstacles, conflict and then he'll grow because he learns something about himself. #scriptchat

7:38 pm             john_hunter:             RT @rpg3000: With TV, Breaking Bad a great example of char actions/choices being the whole story with no external plot device. #scriptchat

7:38 pm             john_hunter:             RT @rpg3000: And FlashForward great example of empty plot device with no interesting chars taking no action at all. #scriptchat

7:38 pm             mmilam44:             @DreamsGrafter yeah and that's my problem. I really should get into the first draft of it before I start panicking. #scriptchat.

7:38 pm             timstubinski:             I can find character development challenging because as in real life, we always don't come out of situations wiser #scriptchat

7:38 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @mmilam44 *just trying to provoke thought* ;) #scriptchat

7:40 pm             LisaFromNYC:             @DreamsGrafter I create a subplot char who conflicts with pro or brings out pros flaws etc. Sub char is designed to affect. hard #ScriptChat

7:40 pm             KageyNYC:             Crazy Sunday but lurking at Euro #scriptchat (hi!). @DreamsGrafter always throws one helluva chat. Will be free & clear for US chat tonight.

7:40 pm             john_hunter:             @rpg3000 Breaking Bad is great example. Plot/premise doesn't change but he crosses new moral boundaries/hang-ups every few eps #scriptchat

7:41 pm             john_hunter:             Breaking Bad is great example. Plot/premise doesn't change but Walter crosses new moral boundaries/hang-ups every few eps #scriptchat

7:41 pm             JLichtenberg:             RT @KageyNYC: Crazy Sunday but lurking at Euro #scriptchat (hi!). @DreamsGrafter always throws one helluva chat. Will be free & clear for US chat tonight.

7:41 pm             LisaFromNYC:             @john_hunter Breaking Bad has gr8 conflicting pros (white/jesse). So their subplots are intriguing. #ScriptChat

7:42 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @filmutopia I was thinking about yr spreadsheets. I was thinking Clive loves character/plotting. Hope yr having a gd night! x #scriptchat

7:42 pm             john_hunter:             @DreamsGrafter I think I struggle with all of it :-D #scriptchat

7:43 pm             DreamsGrafter:             Kim's part of the #scriptchat #treefort guys! xoxo RT @KageyNYC: Crazy Sunday but lurking at Euro #scriptchat (hi!).

7:43 pm             rpg3000:             @john_hunter Yeah, long-term character growth at its best. From Mr Chips to Scarface! #scriptchat

7:43 pm             JLichtenberg:             RT @DreamsGrafter: Kim's part of the #scriptchat #treefort guys! xoxo RT @KageyNYC: Crazy Sunday but lurking at Euro #scriptchat (hi!).

7:43 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @KageyNYC Thanks for dropping and saying hi! Enjoy tonight. :) xo #scriptchat

7:43 pm             mmilam44:             I think it's time to write. Get this idea out of my head and into a document. Later #scriptchat

7:44 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @john_hunter I've just finished Season 1 of #BreakingBad - really looking for to Season 2. Was gutted it was only 7 eps. #scriptchat

7:45 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @mmilam44 Good luck! *chucks over more inspiration* ;) #scriptchat

7:45 pm             DreamsGrafter:             RT @rpg3000: @john_hunter Yeah, long-term character growth at its best. From Mr Chips to Scarface! #scriptchat

7:45 pm             john_hunter:             @LisaFromNYC Absolutely. And Walter becomes catalyst for other characters too. Just saw brill scene between just Skyler+Hank #scriptchat

7:46 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @timstubinski A newbie to Euro #scriptchat. Welcome! :)

7:46 pm             john_hunter:             @DreamsGrafter Started 1st disc of series 2 last night. Thank you, lovefilm! #scriptchat

7:46 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @timstubinski Don't they say that in drama, if the character doesn't learn then it's a tragedy. *no catharthis* #scriptchat

7:47 pm             DreamsGrafter:             RT @LisaFromNYC: @DreamsGrafter I create a subplot char who conflicts with pro or brings out pros flaws etc. Sub char is designed to affect. hard #ScriptChat

7:47 pm             timstubinski:             @DreamsGrafter Thanks kindly, I am Canadian but love hearing and sharing perspective with everyone #scriptchat

7:47 pm             LisaFromNYC:             @john_hunter It was nice to see Skyler getting some growth in S3. Conflicts heighten & she was more interesting #ScriptChat

7:47 pm             RaidPoint:             RT DreamsGrafter @timstubinski Don't they say that in drama, if the character doesn't learn then it's a tragedy. *no catharthis* #scriptchat

7:48 pm             john_hunter:             I think soaps can sometimes clearly be someone's idea for a plot stapled to a character (but so can all dramas I suppose) #scriptchat

7:48 pm             JLichtenberg:             RT @rpg3000: @john_hunter Yeah, long-term character growth at its best. From Mr Chips to Scarface! #scriptchat

7:48 pm             rpg3000:             @DreamsGrafter @john_hunter Will try not to spoil you! #scriptchat

7:49 pm             john_hunter:             I guess you come up with the story idea and then find your way INTO it with the character #scriptchat

7:50 pm             rpg3000:             Any other good examples of characters driving plot? What do we think about Mad Men? #scriptchat

7:50 pm             DreamsGrafter:             RT @filmutopia: #scriptchat sorry to pimp and run, but I use character development spread sheets. I wrote about it here http://tinyurl.com/ylhp2ry

7:50 pm             john_hunter:             If you're tackling a (eg) domestic violence story, I'd use same process whether my character was Pat Butcher or Superman #scriptchat

7:50 pm             DreamsGrafter:             #scriptchat RT @JLichtenberg: @john_hunter Ur right about "soaps" - poetry happens when plot is not "stapled" to a character

7:50 pm             JLichtenberg:             @john_hunter #scriptchat U never know what order bits of a composition will surface into consciousness. Mastery means handling all orders

7:51 pm             DreamsGrafter:             #scriptchat RT @JLichtenberg "Character's Journey" is the "plot" & "story" - ideally story (internal conflict) is mirror image of plot (ext)

7:51 pm             JLichtenberg:             RT @filmutopia: #scriptchat sorry to pimp and run, but I use character development spread sheets. I wrote about it here http://tinyurl.com/ylhp2ry

7:52 pm             booksbelow:             Good example! RT @rpg3000: Any other good examples of characters driving plot? What do we think about Mad Men? #scriptchat

7:52 pm             timstubinski:             @DreamsGrafter Valid point on catharsis. There has to be payoff/realization/epiphany one way or another. #scriptchat

7:53 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @mmilam44 If I were you, I'd rewrite a one pager. It'll help you see if he's got a strong goal/something to aim for. #scriptchat

7:53 pm             bourbonroad:             Claude Chabrol, R.I.P. http://bit.ly/bZKvUA #scriptchat #frenchfilm

7:53 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @JLichtenberg Thank you for joining in w/ #scriptchat! Always great to see you on here. :)

7:53 pm             JLichtenberg:             @booksbelow #scriptchat @booksbelow Sherlock Holmes was THE "character" who drove every plot to resolution 4 client

7:54 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @janetvaneeden Wishing you a good start to the week Janet. Thanks for dropping into #scriptchat! :)

7:54 pm             LisaFromNYC:             RT @timstubinski: @DreamsGrafter Valid point on catharsis. There has to be payoff/realization/epiphany one way or another. #ScriptChat

7:54 pm             9Cups:             @DreamsGrafter Plot/Story-in-pictures is an irresistible subject area for me. LOVE #scriptchat

7:55 pm             john_hunter:             @JLichtenberg Aye. Sometimes a nice idea for a character comes first. So then you just and figure out how you can piss them off #scriptchat

7:55 pm             jeannevb:             @timstubinski listening in on EURO &/or reading past transcripts is great way to get the global view on screenwriting ;) #scriptchat

7:55 pm             booksbelow:             Yes. RT @JLichtenberg: @booksbelow Sherlock Holmes was THE "character" who drove every plot to resolution 4 client #scriptchat

7:55 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @rpg3000 I need to give Mad Men a chance. I dipped into an episode 4 a few mins. Didn't grab me but I hear u have to st fr ep 1. #scriptchat

7:56 pm             JLichtenberg:             @LisaFromNYC #scriptchat "catharsis" has to originate in the SETUP

7:56 pm             timstubinski:             @jeannevb yes, totally loving this ;) #scriptchat

7:57 pm             booksbelow:             @rpg3000 @DreamsGrafter Might be something very American about Mad Men, I lived through those years and resonates for me. #scriptchat

7:57 pm             LisaFromNYC:             I've never seen Mad Men. Have to give a chance #ScriptChat

7:57 pm             Watson_MD:             RT:@booksbelow #scriptchat @booksbelow Sherlock Holmes was THE "character" who drove every plot to re... http://tinyurl.com/266o2t9 #holmes

7:57 pm             JLichtenberg:             @john_hunter #scriptchat the recipe for pissing off a great character is "What is THE WORST thing that can happen to this guy" - make it so

7:58 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @booksbelow Mad Men's very big over here. I know loadsa ppl who love it - esp. the press. #scriptchat *good drama is universal*

7:58 pm             jeannevb:             It is THE best drama on TV right now IMO RT @LisaFromNYC: Ive never seen Mad Men. Have to give a chance #scriptchat

7:59 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @booksbelow I'm more of an adrenaline junkie re drama i.e. The Wire and Battlestar Galactica but plan to give Mad Men a chance. #scriptchat

7:59 pm             LisaFromNYC:             @jeannevb Better than Breaking Bad? That's my fav. #ScriptChat

7:59 pm             jeannevb:             @LisaFromNYC but I wld recommend renting past seasons first bc as a writer, you'll want to see the entire char evolution #scriptchat

8:00 pm             DreamsGrafter:             Woot we have another member of #scriptchat #treefort in the house: @jeannevb ... :)

8:00 pm             jeannevb:             U try Mad Men, I'll try Breaking Bad :) RT @LisaFromNYC: @jeannevb Better than Breaking Bad? Thats my fav. #scriptchat

8:00 pm             rpg3000:             @booksbelow So far I just think there's a bit too much naval-gazing (Betty & shrink), not enough active characters. #scriptchat

8:00 pm             LisaFromNYC:             @DreamsGrafter Battlestar is my fav show of all time. I gravitate toward dark tones. #ScriptChat

8:00 pm             booksbelow:             I think Mad Men is just a rip off of Darrin and Larry Tate in 'Bewitched' :-) #scriptchat

8:01 pm             timstubinski:             Sadly I admit I have never watched it either RT@lisafromnyc I've never seen Mad Men. Have to give a chance #ScriptChat

8:01 pm             JLichtenberg:             RT @john_hunter: @JLichtenberg Yes! If you're the most belittled, aquaphobic Police Chief in Amity, out to sea to take control+stop shark you go #scriptchat

8:01 pm             LisaFromNYC:             @jeannevb lol Sounds good. It's always good to add another quality show. #ScriptChat

8:01 pm             jameskick:             RT @jeannevb: It is THE best drama on TV right now IMO RT @LisaFromNYC: Ive never seen Mad Men. Have to give a chance #scriptchat

8:01 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @LisaFromNYC Me too! :) I love #BreakingBad too - just finished Season 1 the other day. Can't wait to watch Season 2. #scriptchat

8:01 pm             JLichtenberg:             @john_hunter #scriptchat "belittled aquaphobic" etc - yep, that's IT!

8:02 pm             jeannevb:             I'm avoiding cleaning the pantry ha RT @DreamsGrafter: Woot we have another member of #scriptchat #treefort in the house: @jeannevb ... :)

8:02 pm             maidenmatt:             Mad Men is high on my rental list at LoveFilm along with Spooks, 24 and Bones - Haven't seen early seasons of any of these. #scriptchat

8:02 pm             edwardvirtually:             lol! RT @booksbelow: I think Mad Men is just a rip off of Darrin and Larry Tate in 'Bewitched' :-) #scriptchat

8:02 pm             jeannevb:             @LisaFromNYC I tend to try shows other writers recommend before any other ;) Thx #scriptchat

8:02 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @LisaFromNYC I've said the same about Mad Men - I need to give it a chance. #scriptchat

8:02 pm             LisaFromNYC:             I just put Mad Men on my netflix queue. Season 1. Start from the beginning! #ScriptChat

8:03 pm             Alex_Carrick:             RT @booksbelow I think Mad Men a rip off of Darrin & Larry Tate in 'Bewitched' :-) #scriptchat < Mad Men is very well done, but it's a soap

8:03 pm             JLichtenberg:             @rpg3000 @booksbelow #scriptchat "not enough active characters" - writers often START WRITING way too soon, and get that naval-gazing effect

8:03 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @booksbelow I LOVE Bewitched ... I was hooked on it as a child. Wasn't keen on the new Darren though. #scriptchat

8:03 pm             jeannevb:             @maidenmatt I got tired of 24 after 1 season. Same ol, same ol. I prefer char driven shows more than action. Just my taste #scriptchat

8:03 pm             JLichtenberg:             RT @LisaFromNYC: I just put Mad Men on my netflix queue. Season 1. Start from the beginning! #ScriptChat

8:03 pm             jeannevb:             WOOT! RT @LisaFromNYC: I just put Mad Men on my netflix queue. Season 1. Start from the beginning! #scriptchat

8:03 pm             jeannevb:             HA! RT @edwardvirtually: lol! RT @booksbelow: I think Mad Men is just a rip off of Darrin and Larry Tate in Bewitched :-) #scriptchat

8:04 pm             rpg3000:             @jeannevb BrBa is better IMO, but AMC is cleary where it's at for you Americans. :) #scriptchat

8:04 pm             timstubinski:             Actually I just started watching 'Nurse Jackie' not too long ago. Very well done and Edie Falco is remarkable #scriptchat

8:04 pm             JLichtenberg:             RT @edwardvirtually: lol! RT @booksbelow: I think Mad Men is just a rip off of Darrin and Larry Tate in 'Bewitched' :-) #scriptchat

8:04 pm             maidenmatt:             What makes a show like CSI last for 10+ seasons?! #scriptchat

8:04 pm             jeannevb:             I'll def check it out :) RT @rpg3000: @jeannevb BrBa is better IMO, but AMC is cleary where its at for you Americans. :) #scriptchat

8:05 pm             LisaFromNYC:             @jeannevb My parents rarely watch TV. So I went 2 their house w/BB dvd & we had dinner watching BB. They're addicted now #ScriptChat

8:05 pm             jeannevb:             oops... I need to stop talking or I'll be in #twitterjail during the USA #scriptchat

8:05 pm             JLichtenberg:             #scriptchat what do U think TV show producers feel about ppl WAITING to watch whole seasons at a time?

8:05 pm             booksbelow:             @DreamsGrafter I'm still psychologically damaged from them sticking in new Darrin with no explanation- haunted me all my life! #scriptchat

8:05 pm             timstubinski:             Not to mention I think without a doubt the dramedy is the hardest sell for any writer with networks #scriptchat

8:05 pm             john_hunter:             If you're the most belittled, aquaphobic Police Chief in Amity, out to sea to take control+stop shark you go :-) #scriptchat

8:05 pm             JLichtenberg:             RT @jeannevb: oops... I need to stop talking or I'll be in #twitterjail during the USA #scriptchat

8:05 pm             DreamsGrafter:             Character or procedure? *never watched it* Give The Wire! ;) RT @maidenmatt: What makes a show like CSI last for 10+ seasons?! #scriptchat

8:05 pm             Alex_Carrick:             RT @LisaFromNYC @jeannevb #ScriptChat < We've watched Breaking Bad from start. Stunningly creative; great writing; actors wear their parts.

8:06 pm             JLichtenberg:             RT @maidenmatt: What makes a show like CSI last for 10+ seasons?! #scriptchat

8:06 pm             Lauraann1061:             RT @Alex_Carrick: RT @booksbelow I think Mad Men a rip off of Darrin & Larry Tate in 'Bewitched' :-) #scriptchat < Mad Men is very well done, but it's a soap

8:06 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @maidenmatt But totally, there's a reason for that level of success. #scriptchat

8:06 pm             booksbelow:             Very open ended concept, lots of possibilites. RT @maidenmatt: What makes a show like CSI last for 10+ seasons?! #scriptchat

8:06 pm             JLichtenberg:             @maidenmatt #scriptchat long-running TV shows start with popular SETTING, then delve ever deeper into RELATIONSHIPS among estab. chrcts

8:07 pm             LisaFromNYC:             Anyone going to watch THE EVENT #ScriptChat

8:07 pm             JLichtenberg:             @maidenmatt #scriptchat It's the promise of WHAT WILL BE REVEALED that makes long-running shows. SEE: White Collar

8:07 pm             timstubinski:             @maidenmatt Formula and familiarity (which are virtually the same). #scriptchat

8:07 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @JLichtenberg Are they happy about DVD sales? - in an age when DVD sales are at a low point? #scriptchat

8:08 pm             DreamsGrafter:             @booksbelow Haha! :) #scriptchat

8:08 pm             JLichtenberg:             RT @timstubinski: Not to mention I think without a doubt the dramedy is the hardest sell for any writer with networks #scriptchat

8:08 pm             rpg3000:             Sorry I seem to have derailed #scriptchat topic with TV talk. So -- characters and plot...

8:08 pm             DreamsGrafter:             *makes note* RT @LisaFromNYC: Anyone going to watch THE EVENT #ScriptChat

8:09 pm             DreamsGrafter:             Guys, I'm going to let you run with this. Absolutely LOVED tonight's chat. Thanks so much for such a great one! x #scriptchat

8:10 pm             DreamsGrafter:             Also, welcome to the #scriptchat newbies. Please feel free to drop in again ... :)

8:10 pm             LisaFromNYC:             Great chat tweeps. U guys got me to give MM a chance. lol Char driven stories are the best #ScriptChat

8:10 pm             DreamsGrafter:             *ha ha* ;) x RT @rpg3000: Sorry I seem to have derailed #scriptchat topic with TV talk. So -- characters and plot...

8:10 pm             rpg3000:             When setting out, I always repeat to myself: Characters are what they do, not what they say. And what characters do is the plot. #scriptchat

8:10 pm             JLichtenberg:             #scriptchat success in Big or Small screen depends maybe more on not having any TURNOFFS than on GOOD STUFF

8:10 pm             ambigfoot:             I think the main protagonist has to be rigidly defined using complex allegorical metaphors in order to add dynamism to the plot #scriptchat

8:11 pm             JLichtenberg:             RT @LisaFromNYC: Great chat tweeps. U guys got me to give MM a chance. lol Char driven stories are the best #ScriptChat

8:11 pm             gibbzer:             RT @rpg3000: When setting out, I always repeat to myself: Characters are what they do, not what they say. And what characters do is the plot. #scriptchat

8:11 pm             JLichtenberg:             @LisaFromNYC #scriptchat Character-driven stories are second best. RELATIONSHIP driven plots skyrocket

8:12 pm             KrisTheScript:             @JLichtenberg @john_hunter Blake Snyder called this 'covenant of the arc'. An amusing play on words. #scriptchat

8:12 pm             JLichtenberg:             RT @ambigfoot: I think the main protagonist has to be rigidly defined using complex allegorical metaphors in order to add dynamism to the plot #scriptchat

8:13 pm             john_hunter:             Awesome point! JLichtenberg @LisaFromNYC #scriptchat Character-driven stories are second best. RELATIONSHIP driven plots skyrocket

8:13 pm             john_hunter:             Ducking out of #scriptchat now. Pleasure doing business with you ;-)

8:13 pm             JLichtenberg:             @ambigfoot #scriptchat Yes MAIN protag must have most depth, & be "reflected" in co-stars (Kirk-Spock-McCoy Scotty-Uhura-Chekov)

8:13 pm             lizziside:             RT @ambigfoot: I think the main protagonist has to be rigidly defined using complex allegorical metaphors in order to add dynamism to the plot #scriptchat

8:14 pm             lizziside:             RT @JLichtenberg: @LisaFromNYC #scriptchat Character-driven stories are second best. RELATIONSHIP driven plots skyrocket

8:14 pm             JLichtenberg:             @john_hunter #scriptchat but U can't have RELATIONSHIP DRIVEN PLOT w/o deep characters who DRIVE their lives athwart each other's

8:15 pm             JLichtenberg:             @john_hunter #scriptchat creating that ensemble of characters to contrast-compare is the poetic artform behind storytelling

8:16 pm             rpg3000:             Thanks all at #scriptchat - I'm off. Carry on my wayward sons.

USA CHAT:

jeannevb:                It's #scriptchat O'CLOCK

            jeannevb:             TOPIC: how character development & choices affects plot #scriptchat

            jeannevb:             bring it on, baby #scriptchat

            KageyNYC:             Ditto RT @yeah_write Please ignore my tweets for the next hour if you aren't interested in screenwriting. Because it's time for #scriptchat

            yeah_write:             traffic is about the only thing I don't miss about living in CA #scriptchat

            GinySassenach:             @yeah_write Yes I always copy yours. SHHHHH lol #scriptchat

            dwacon:             @jeannevb ooh rah! #scriptchat

            Jonathan_Peace:             AAH.... getting more JD, puttin down the articles, the writing assignments and the 2011 script notes so I'm finally able to hit #scriptchat

            TheWriteScript:             We need a #scriptchat "ching-ching" like Law and Order. #scriptchat

12:01 am             ozzywood:             Hello from Sydney to all at #scriptchat

12:01 am             booksbelow:             @Jonathan_Peace How character development & choices affects plot #scriptchat

12:01 am             KageyNYC:             But if screenwriting is your thing, please join in! RT @jeannevb: TOPIC: how character development & choices affects plot #scriptchat

12:01 am             jeannevb:             when stuck in vast hell of Act 2, I always think "what's the worst thing that cld happen to my prot?" Usually it's about wound #scriptchat

12:01 am             GinySassenach:             @ozzywood Hello *waving* #scriptchat

12:01 am             jeannevb:             well put ;) RT @dwacon: @jeannevb ooh rah! #scriptchat

12:02 am             Jonathan_Peace:             Wow... finally made a scriptchat in about a month!!! #scriptchat

12:02 am             jeannevb:             *tackles* RT @ozzywood: Hello from Sydney to all at #scriptchat

12:02 am             yeah_write:             did we start already? #scriptchat

12:02 am             jeannevb:             apologize to all new followers, but I will be very annoying the next hour if you aren't a screenwriter - & maybe even if u r ;) #scriptchat

12:02 am             GinySassenach:             @Jonathan_Peace Good to meet you. #scriptchat

12:02 am             yeah_write:             Hello down there! RT @ozzywood: Hello from Sydney to all at #scriptchat

12:02 am             KageyNYC:             You get audio w your #scriptchat? I'm geting hosed! ;) RT @TheWriteScript: We need a #scriptchat "ching-ching" like Law and Order.

12:03 am             ozzywood:             Here's a starter: ?There?s no such thing as character development. All there is, is action?-D.Mamet http://bit.ly/9GLDj4 (LOL) #scriptchat

12:03 am             jeannevb:             @yeah_write nope, it's 8:02 #scriptchat

12:03 am             yeah_write:             On deck, covered in bug spray, enjoying the night with my chat. #scriptchat

12:03 am             KageyNYC:             *tackles her tackling him* (oy, his back) RT @jeannevb: *tackles* RT @ozzywood: Hello from Sydney to all at #scriptchat

12:03 am             hhdavid65:             If screenwriting's not your thing, ignore my tweets for the next hour, 'cos it's #scriptchat o'clock at my place. :)

12:03 am             GinySassenach:             RT @ozzywood: : ?There?s no such thing as character development. All there is, is action?-D.Mamet http://bit.ly/9GLDj4 (LOL) #scriptchat

12:03 am             SharkGoddess:             Now if you'll excuse me I have a meeting on Twitter to attend to, #Scriptchat time!

12:04 am             Jonathan_Peace:             Just putting finishing touches to The Rift script I got HIRED to write *just saying* And weirdly enough adding character touches #scriptchat

12:04 am             jeannevb:             Some #treefort news: @thembob is guesting NEXT WEEK, so mark ur calendars! #scriptchat

12:04 am             mLori71:             RT @Jonathan_Peace: Just putting finishing touches to The Rift script I got HIRED to write *just saying* And weirdly enough adding character touches #scriptchat

12:04 am             yeah_write:             I put co-founder of Scriptchat in my resume with my Inktip query. lol #scriptchat

12:04 am             GinySassenach:             It seems my dialogue is badddd. So if I have more action and development of the character.....will dialogue not matter? #scriptchat

12:04 am             SharkGoddess:             RT @HayleyMckenzie1: West Yorkshire Playhouse is now accepting unsolicited scripts: http://bit.ly/dkSDTB #scriptchat #writing #theatre

12:04 am             jeannevb:             @Jonathan_Peace people PAY writers? *scratches head* #scriptchat

12:05 am             Jonathan_Peace:             RT @yeah_write: I put co-founder of Scriptchat in my resume with my Inktip query. lol #scriptchat

12:05 am             jeannevb:             WOOHOO! RT @yeah_write: I put co-founder of Scriptchat in my resume with my Inktip query. lol #scriptchat

12:05 am             art1032:             Forgot today was Sunday O.o. lol #Scriptchat

12:05 am             Jonathan_Peace:             @jeannevb It's weird! Who knew!!!? #scriptchat

12:05 am             yeah_write:             FYI @thembob next week's guest, is the original writer for the movie KILLERS. He's awesome. #scriptchat

12:05 am             TheWriteScript:             A visual medium requires action. Develop the character thru action so we can see them grow/change. #scriptchat

12:05 am             GinySassenach:             That is going to be Gr8 RT @jeannevb: Some #treefort news: @thembob is guesting NEXT WEEK, so mark ur calendars! #scriptchat

12:06 am             ozzywood:             Early drafts put character in the dialogue. Then you externalize it into action.RT @GinySassenach: will dialogue not matter? #scriptchat

12:07 am             GinySassenach:             RT @TheWriteScript: A visual medium requires action. Develop the character thru action so we can see them grow/change. #scriptchat

12:07 am             The_Jodi:             @jeannevb Drinking the usual? :) #scriptchat

12:07 am             Jonathan_Peace:             Apologies if I miss a few mentions/DM's etc. Things have gotten CWAZY lately. Wll get back in touch individually eventually LOL #scriptchat

12:07 am             yeah_write:             Tonight's topic is character development and how it relates to plot development, or something like that. #scriptchat

12:07 am             jeannevb:             PIMP commercial: if ur LA writer @writeononline has new writing retreat coming up http://writeontrackla.com/writing-retreat/ #scriptchat

12:07 am             KageyNYC:             Often occupation is used to show char & create opps for plot. Watched I Love You, Man & his job helped move story along. #scriptchat

12:08 am             jeannevb:             @SilverScriptz get ur ass to #scriptchat then. On now http://tweetchat.com/room/scriptchat

12:08 am             sunspotpictures:             What about the other way around? -- Molding plot to influence character development. Often happens when adhering to set theme #scriptchat

12:08 am             dwacon:             I am starting with green tea... to be followed by a pomegranate green tea... #scriptchat

12:08 am             yeah_write:             @KageyNYC I just watched New in Town, and job was the center of the character and plot. #scriptchat

12:08 am             Jonathan_Peace:             I found (especially on a short script) that every word is so important be it dialogue/action to show characterisation. #scriptchat

12:08 am             sunspotpictures:             RT @GinySassenach: RT @TheWriteScript: A visual medium requires action. Develop the character thru action so we can see them grow/change. #scriptchat

12:08 am             jeannevb:             RT @sunspotpictures: What abou other way around? -Molding plot to influence char dev. Often happens when adhering to set theme #scriptchat

12:09 am             jeannevb:             yep ;) RT @The_Jodi: @jeannevb Drinking the usual? :) #scriptchat

12:09 am             TheWriteScript:             If there's no visible change, then it's a novel, not a movie. #scriptchat

12:09 am             Jonathan_Peace:             BUT my rule is story is everything. DON'T make a plot out of character. DON'T try to mould character to plot. STORY is the key. #scriptchat

12:09 am             KageyNYC:             Haven't seen it. Good? RT @yeah_write: @KageyNYC I just watched New in Town, and job was the center of the character and plot. #scriptchat

12:09 am             ozzywood:             Plot consists of EVENTS and ACTIONS, for each character. ACTIONS must always reveal what the character stands for. #scriptchat

12:09 am             LisaFromNYC:             RT @TheWriteScript: A visual medium requires action. Develop the character thru action so we can see them grow/change. #ScriptChat

12:10 am             jeannevb:             use plot to push the char as far as possible... torture her & give her tough choices until she has no choice but to evolve #scriptchat

12:10 am             sdarancette:             Hiya, scriptchatters #scriptchat. I am working, but will lurk and chime in time to time.

12:10 am             sam_gurney:             Can't sleep, so following #scriptchat for a while. (gone 1AM in UK)

12:10 am             yeah_write:             @KageyNYC It was not great, but it was easy to watch. For a romcom, the 2 main chars weren't together much. #scriptchat

12:11 am             ozzywood:             Different writers have different approaches: some start from plot, others from character. This should not affect the end result. #scriptchat

12:11 am             Jonathan_Peace:             You can ADD charcaterisations (diiferent to character) to AUGMENT the story but you can't add story to build character #scriptchat

12:11 am             Samuel_Clemons:             RT @yeah_write Tonight's topic is character development and how it relates to plot development, #scriptchat (whew, character dev my fav!)

12:11 am             KayleeT:             RT @ozzywood: Different writers have different approaches: some start from plot, others from character. This should not affect the end result. #scriptchat

12:11 am             jeannevb:             no sleep happening here ;) RT @sam_gurney: Cant sleep, so following #scriptchat for a while. (gone 1AM in UK) #scriptchat

12:11 am             sunspotpictures:             RT @jeannevb: use plot 2 push char as far as possible... torture her & give tough choices until she has no choice bt 2 evolve #scriptchat

12:12 am             Jonathan_Peace:             btw: I hate the word PLOT. To me it's too RIGID. INFLEXIBLE. sorry for the caps but trying to hammer home key words. Damn JD #scriptchat

12:12 am             Jonathan_Peace:             Hey @sam_gurney fellow UK resident #scriptchat

12:13 am             TheWriteScript:             Plot-driven stories = children's literature. Big people want deep, character-driven stories rather than just "how does it end?" #scriptchat

12:13 am             sam_gurney:             @KageyNYC Another good example of this is Trish from 40 Yr Old Virgin owning the eBay store. Forces Andy to grow up. #scriptchat

12:13 am             ozzywood:             A thought: Plot structure is more restrictive when characters change. When they don't, you have more structural freedom. Anyone? #scriptchat

12:13 am             yeah_write:             I'm now writing straight through from FADE IN to FADE OUT without editing, so my chars develop with the story. #scriptchat

12:13 am             jeannevb:             How do you all start? I start w the hook, then char dev, then see how to push char dev & choices further w plot points #scriptchat

12:13 am             dwacon:             @Jonathan_Peace PLOT is like the lines on the road. You follow them until speed vs. curve = major world shifting event. #scriptchat

12:14 am             dwacon:             @jeannevb I have the story in my head before writing a single page. When I start to write, it is really a page one rewrite. #scriptchat

12:14 am             Jonathan_Peace:             RT @TheWriteScript: Plot-driven stories = 'kids' literature. 'adults' want character-driven stories not just "how does it end?" #scriptchat

12:14 am             timstubinski:             Hi all. For me plot and dialogue push the story, sometimes spontaneous lines can prompt different avenues #scriptchat

12:14 am             jeannevb:             we've had so many guests & script nights, it feels good to be talking craft again :) #justsayin #scriptchat

12:14 am             GinySassenach:             Watched "Sunshine Cleaning" the other day. It seem to be very easy to pick up on characters. Made the film more injoyable. #scriptchat

12:14 am             Jonathan_Peace:             @dwacon ooooo.... I like that analogy #scriptchat

12:14 am             yeah_write:             I get idea for hook, premise, then I outline, and draw light char bio, then plot it out by scene. Write, then rewrite. #scriptchat

12:15 am             JohnMiewald:             Another good place to start is with how this script is going to make you money. :) Build it around the profit-model. #scriptchat

12:15 am             jeannevb:             @dwacon sweet! I've had children, so my memory came out with the placenta. I have to write it all down ;) hee #scriptchat

12:15 am             KageyNYC:             @sam_gurney Great example I read script & she had diff job (can't remember now) but it didn't create bridge btn his world & hers #scriptchat

12:15 am             dwacon:             @ozzywood Either way, though... you get some pleasant surprises... either the character changes or the world changes... or both! #scriptchat

12:15 am             Jonathan_Peace:             But I still say STORY is everything. #scriptchat

12:15 am             TheWriteScript:             @JohnMiewald LOL #scriptchat

12:15 am             ozzywood:             Interesting... RT @TheWriteScript: Plot-driven stories = childrens literature. Big people want character-driven stories #scriptchat

12:15 am             sam_gurney:             @Jonathan_Peace Hey there. Following things with heavy eyelids, or a night person? :) #scriptchat

12:15 am             LisaFromNYC:             @jeannevb Similiar to u. Hook. Char flaw which creates irony/conflict, which then creates a theme. #ScriptChat

12:15 am             dwacon:             @jeannevb My shampoo has placenta. But I only use it on my chin. What does that mean? #scriptchat

12:16 am             Cacotopos:             @ozzywood Agree. I often find (and enjoy) chars running off & doing their own thing. They can end up fighting my rails. #scriptchat

12:16 am             Jonathan_Peace:             NEVER RT @JohnMiewald: A good place to start is with how this script is going to make you money Build it around the profit-model #scriptchat

12:16 am             GinySassenach:             Yes my problem RT @jeannevb: @dwacon sweet! Ive had children, so my memory came out with the placenta. write it all down ;) hee #scriptchat

12:16 am             art1032:             I do too :)@dwacon @jeannevb I have the story in my head before writing a single page. . #scriptchat

12:16 am             jeannevb:             @JohnMiewald I think profitability of script is something a writer doesn't "get" until after writing a few... that don't sell :) #scriptchat

12:16 am             ozzywood:             = CONCEPT. Holds character & plot RT @JohnMiewald: Another good place to start is how this script is going to make you money. #scriptchat

12:16 am             timstubinski:             @Jonathan_Peace I agree, story rules #scriptchat

12:16 am             Jonathan_Peace:             @sam_gurney To quote Bon Jovi: I'll live while Iim alive. I'll sleep when I'm dead! LOL #scriptchat

12:16 am             dwacon:             @Jonathan_Peace A former manager had me take my story and change three major characters, add two others. Interesting experiment. #scriptchat

12:17 am             jeannevb:             @LisaFromNYC yes, THEME, and how the char's (even supporting char) choices show the theme as well as drive the plot #scriptchat

12:17 am             ozzywood:             RT @jeannevb: @JohnMiewald profitability is something a writer doesnt get until after writing a few scripts... that dont sell :) #scriptchat

12:17 am             jeannevb:             *snort* RT @dwacon: @jeannevb My shampoo has placenta. But I only use it on my chin. What does that mean? #scriptchat

12:17 am             dwacon:             @Jonathan_Peace Thanks! #scriptchat

12:18 am             sunspotpictures:             RT @jeannevb: @LisaFromNYC yes THEME, and how the char's (even supporting char) choices show the theme as well as drive the plot #scriptchat

12:18 am             sam_gurney:             @KageyNYC Ooh that's interesting. Just goes to show that writing is re-writing! #scriptchat

12:18 am             LisaFromNYC:             challenging RT @dwacon: @Jonathan_Peace A former manager had me take my story and change three major characters, add two others. #ScriptChat

12:19 am             Story_Craft:             #StoryCraft ers interested in screenwriting - don't forget #scriptchat - it's on now!

12:19 am             The_Jodi:             Heh! RT@JohnMiewald profitability of script is something a writer doesn't "get" until after writing a few... that don't sell :) #scriptchat

12:19 am             jeannevb:             fyi, I'm taking @ScreenwritingU's 6-mo pro series starting next weekend. Will be giving full report ;) http://bit.ly/90pjuF #scriptchat

12:19 am             SilverScriptz:             @jeannevb Yes, $$$s... this for me becomes important after you've written one that is fab but not flavour of the month. #scriptchat

12:19 am             LisaFromNYC:             RT @jeannevb: @LisaFromNYC yes, THEME, and how the chars (even supporting char) choices show the theme as well as drive the plot #ScriptChat

12:19 am             jeannevb:             join us! RT @Story_Craft: #StoryCraft ers interested in screenwriting - dont forget #scriptchat - its on now! #scriptchat

12:19 am             booksbelow:             You can have a movie without plot or even story, but you can't really have a movie without characters. #scriptchat

12:19 am             sunspotpictures:             @jeannevb Agreed, theme is very important. A compass through the process if you've established it before writing. #scriptchat

12:19 am             yeah_write:             @tvscriptdoctor Join us for #scriptchat going on now. We are talking character development.

12:19 am             Jonathan_Peace:             @dwacon Why? #scriptchat

12:19 am             GinySassenach:             I thought it was understood - writing is rewriting.....:-) #scriptchat

12:20 am             jeannevb:             I see some virgins out there ;) #woot Welcome! #scriptchat

12:20 am             ozzywood:             In transformational stories, all you need to worry about is plot. Char. journey should be clear 4 the writer. Plot expresses it. #scriptchat

12:20 am             dwacon:             I like the Bon Jovi quote. 1/3 of my scripts were deciphered from dreams. The unconscious is a valuable asset in screenwriting. #scriptchat

12:20 am             KageyNYC:             @sam_gurney I thought it was a cool change, why I remembered. He valued action figures as a child would, she did as an adult ($) #scriptchat

12:20 am             dwacon:             @Jonathan_Peace Notice I referred to her as a FORMER manager.... #scriptchat

12:20 am             ozzywood:             Disagreed. RT @booksbelow: You can have a movie without plot or even story, but you cant really have a movie without characters. #scriptchat

12:21 am             jeannevb:             I wrote an article for @PeevishPenman on editing. Will go live tomorrow. I'll tweet link. How I cut 25 pages of SBAN #scriptchat

12:21 am             SharkGoddess:             I'm learning that. :) RT @GinySassenach I thought it was understood - writing is rewriting.....:-) #scriptchat

12:21 am             Jonathan_Peace:             @dwacon YAY! #scriptchat

12:21 am             sdarancette:             RT @jeannevb: I see some virgins out there ;) #woot Welcome! #scriptchat- Virgin sacrifices is THIS WEEK? I thought it was next week.

12:21 am             jeannevb:             @SunspotPictures the sweet spot is finding ways to show theme w all main chars. Gives me goosebumps #nerd ;) #scriptchat

12:21 am             ozzywood:             To express character you need action = plot. Even W.Allen knows. RT @booksbelow: You can have a movie without plot or even story #scriptchat

12:22 am             JohnMiewald:             AND there are some people new to #scriptchat, too. @jeannevb I see some virgins out there ;) #woot Welcome! #scriptchat

12:22 am             jeannevb:             @sdarancette I knew you'd stop working if I mentioned virgin ;) #woot #scriptchat

12:22 am             SilverScriptz:             @jeannevb 'I see some virgins out there ;) #woot Welcome!' - How did you know it was me? thanks for the welcome.! lol Hi all! #scriptchat

12:22 am             dwacon:             @Jonathan_Peace I do like the way that script came out though... but strange to have 2 variations with same lead characters... #scriptchat

12:22 am             sunspotpictures:             Kismet! RT @jeannevb: the sweet spot is finding ways to show theme w all main chars. Gives me goosebumps #nerd ;) #scriptchat

12:22 am             KageyNYC:             Hobbies can show char traits & externalize the internal. On Caprica, boxing showed char's internal fight (+ avoid talking heads) #scriptchat

12:23 am             booksbelow:             @ozzywood Even Woody Allen? LOL! I was mostly rabble rousing with that statement. :-) #scriptchat

12:23 am             dwacon:             @LisaFromNYC Now, if only I could sell one of the two versions of the script, LOL... #scriptchat

12:23 am             jeannevb:             @SilverScriptz great to "have" you :) Transcripts for past chats & TONS of resources are on our blog http://scriptchat.com #scriptchat

12:23 am             Jonathan_Peace:             I am RIGHT NOW going over a script (deadline 13 Sept) to make sure characterisation adheres to STORY #scriptchat

12:23 am             jeannevb:             :) RT @JohnMiewald: AND there are some people new to #scriptchat, too. @jeannevb I see some virgins out there ;) #woot Welcome! #scriptchat

12:23 am             Jonathan_Peace:             @dwacon bear with me 1 sec. trying to catch up on messages. LOL #scriptchat

12:24 am             yeah_write:             I took today off from jewelry making and worked on screenwriting all day. I'm working out plot holes by looking at my characters #scriptchat

12:24 am             brionykidd:             Any thoughts on writing epiphany moment? (ie.lightbulb moment where character works something out, finally gets it, learns) #scriptchat

12:24 am             jeannevb:             @LesannSartor I'll be reviewing the @ScreenwritingU course for @WriteOnOnline :) Keep your eyes out... #scriptchat

12:24 am             ozzywood:             His characters' dialogue = lies. Their action = truth/character. RT @booksbelow: Even Woody Allen? #scriptchat

12:24 am             sam_gurney:             @jeannevb Hell yes, pulling all major characters arcs into the theme is amazingly satisfying! #neeerrrddd #scriptchat

12:25 am             ozzywood:             How do you do this practically? RT @Jonathan_Peace: make sure characterisation adheres to STORY #scriptchat

12:25 am             yeah_write:             Hey, @LesannSartor is from my RWA screenwriting chapter. Please give her a warm welcome. #scriptchat

12:25 am             readerproof:             You can learn a lot about the epiphany moment from watching House RT @brionykidd: Any thoughts on writing epiphany moment? #scriptchat

12:25 am             sunspotpictures:             @Jonathan_Peace How might characterization not adhere to story? #scriptchat

12:25 am             SilverScriptz:             @jeannevb Thanks for the 'roadmap' to transcripts! It's moving so fast here. Hey guys, get off ma foot! Ouch!! lol #scriptchat

12:25 am             Todfilm:             Might as well say hi, since I'm gonna be writing a lot more this coming year. #scriptchat

12:25 am             booksbelow:             RT @ozzywood: His characters dialogue = lies. Their action = truth/character. RT @booksbelow: Even Woody Allen? #scriptchat

12:25 am             jeannevb:             Is any1 stuck in their script & want to workshop it? Maybe we need to have smaller #scriptchat workshops #scriptchat

12:25 am             Jonathan_Peace:             Surely that's part of the fun of weaving words: finding the cool unique obscure ways to SHOW story through character actions? #scriptchat

12:26 am             jeannevb:             *waves* RT @Todfilm: Might as well say hi, since Im gonna be writing a lot more this coming year. #scriptchat

12:26 am             KageyNYC:             Re: writing for $, unless u find non-profit ProdCo, there's reality of $. See more dramas in theaters & more will get bought. #scriptchat

12:26 am             ozzywood:             Will have to bail in 5mins... Deadline for script consultancy looming. Exciting to know the script WILL make it to the screen! #scriptchat

12:26 am             readerproof:             Awesome idea! RT @jeannevb: Maybe we need to have smaller #scriptchat workshops #scriptchat

12:27 am             GCGeek:             All 4 it RT @jeannevb: Is any1 stuck in their script & want to workshop it? Maybe we need to have smaller #scriptchat workshops #scriptchat

12:27 am             jeannevb:             If ur stuck on char dev, think about ur own life. Changes u've made ALL came fr torture. True for me. #scriptchat

12:27 am             GCGeek:             And a belated hello! #scriptchat

12:27 am             Jonathan_Peace:             @sunspotpictures If it doesn't in someway intensify the overall STORY. imho (wow... starting to use kid-lingo) #scriptchat

12:27 am             GinySassenach:             That would be fun! RT @jeannevb: Is any1 stuck in their script & Maybe we need to have smaller #scriptchat workshops #scriptchat

12:27 am             ozzywood:             RT @jeannevb: If ur stuck on char dev, think about ur own life. Changes uve made ALL came fr torture. True for me. #scriptchat

12:27 am             jeannevb:             WOOT! ;) #treefort? RT @readerproof: Awesome idea! RT @jeannevb: Maybe we need to have smaller #scriptchat workshops #scriptchat

12:28 am             GinySassenach:             @ozzywood Congrats! #scriptchat

12:28 am             sunspotpictures:             @brionykidd Epiphany moment is typically pretty magical... no pressure ;) #scriptchat

12:28 am             Timsn:             Yes! RT @jeannevb: Is any1 stuck in their script & want to workshop it? Maybe we need to have smaller #scriptchat workshops #scriptchat

12:28 am             Todfilm:             I am an old fashioned aristotelian, I believe character is revealed through action and choices rather than through dialogue. #scriptchat

12:28 am             ozzywood:             How about STORY sessions? Based on synopsis/outline? RT @jeannevb: Maybe we need to have smaller #scriptchat workshops #scriptchat

12:28 am             Jonathan_Peace:             btw: I will NEVER write for $$$$. All my scripts are written on spec. I live or die by MY written word. #scriptchat

12:28 am             yeah_write:             If you aren't putting your character in deeper, and then even deeper shit, you aren't developing your plot. #scriptchat

12:29 am             art1032:             Great idea :) @readerproof Awesome idea! RT @jeannevb: Maybe we need to have smaller #scriptchat workshops #scriptchat

12:29 am             ozzywood:             Thanks! :) Doesn't make the work easier, though... RT @GinySassenach: @ozzywood Congrats! #scriptchat

12:29 am             jeannevb:             @ozzywood let's def talk about this idea :) I'm diggin it #scriptchat

12:29 am             ozzywood:             BRAVE RT @Jonathan_Peace: btw: I will NEVER write for $$$. All my scripts are written on spec. I live or die by MY written word. #scriptchat

12:29 am             The_Jodi:             Sounds good! RT @jeannevb: Is any1 stuck in their script & want to workshop it? Maybe we need to have smaller #scriptchat workshops

12:29 am             Jonathan_Peace:             If I don't write good... I don't make a dime. To me that's honest writing and forces me to learn to improve. #scriptchat

12:29 am             GinySassenach:             I think that is what my script needs an "epiphany moment" #scriptchat

12:30 am             OShop:             RT @ozzywood: BRAVE RT @Jonathan_Peace: btw: I will NEVER write for $$$. All my scripts are written on spec. I live or die by MY written word. #scriptchat

12:30 am             jeannevb:             workshopped my new script w @the_jodi & others ! Stony Brook. ALL learned fr ea other. Will def try to make it happen for u #scriptchat

12:30 am             Jonathan_Peace:             @ozzywood Brave... maybe. Stupid n this climate, possibly. Honest,,, you better damn believe it! LOL #scriptchat

12:31 am             brionykidd:             RT @nortypig @brionykidd I've always thought of it as a falling sensation... #scriptchat

12:31 am             blankethouse:             Ugh! Twitter keeps closing me out. I've tried 3 times to comment - fail #scriptchat

12:31 am             brionykidd:             RT @nortypig like being spun on a round-a-bout in a playground.. and disembarking at X :-) #scriptchat

12:31 am             GCGeek:             RT @yeah_write: If you arent putting your character in deeper, and then even deeper shit, you arent developing your plot. #scriptchat

12:31 am             ozzywood:             Gotta go. Ciao, friends! Expect a barrage of blog updates @ Story Dept. (http://bit.ly/tsdUS) in a few hours... Catching up ;) #scriptchat

12:31 am             art1032:             RT @jeannevb: workshopped my new script w @the_jodi & others ! Stony Brook. ALL learned fr ea other. Will def try to make it happen for u #scriptchat

12:31 am             jeannevb:             @blankethouse try tweetchat http://tweetchat.com/room/scriptchat #scriptchat

12:31 am             GinySassenach:             I like that RT@Todfilm: I am old fashioned aristotelian,believe character is revealed through action choices than dialogue. #scriptchat

12:32 am             sam_gurney:             @Todfilm Indeed. The Long Good Friday was based around Aristotlian tragedy. Bob Hoskins character highlighted through story. #scriptchat

12:32 am             brionykidd:             RT @sunspotpictures: @brionykidd Epiphany moment is typically pretty magical... no pressure ;) #scriptchat

12:32 am             MonaLiNYC:             "@jeannevb: Wanted to say hello to the group *you guys are great - watches from afar* #scriptchat"

12:32 am             dwacon:             @KageyNYC I have a friend who makes $$$ selling scripts via Mandy and Craigslist. All non-WGA... but money is money. #scriptchat

12:32 am             sunspotpictures:             @Jonathan_Peace Interesting. Good sign of this is there's probably a lot to cut from script for next revision #scriptchat

12:32 am             TheWriteScript:             @ozzywood See ya! Great comments, btw. #scriptchat

12:32 am             jeannevb:             @ozzywood bye! Let's talk later... xo #scriptchat

12:32 am             brionykidd:             @readerproof So how do they do it? While since I watched House #scriptchat

12:32 am             sunspotpictures:             RT @jeannevb: If ur stuck on char dev, think about ur own life. Changes u've made ALL came fr torture. True for me. #scriptchat

12:32 am             SharkGoddess:             Huh?? @Jonathan_Peace: btw: I will NEVER write for $$$. All my scripts are written on spec. I live or die by MY written word. #scriptchat

12:32 am             dklon:             @jeannevb Just thought I would sit back w/popcorn this time and read. #scriptchat

12:32 am             jeannevb:             @dwacon that just feels dirty @KageyNYC #scriptchat

12:33 am             The_Jodi:             (That @jeannevb, she's always thinking!) Must be the #tequila. #scriptchat

12:33 am             brionykidd:             @SunspotPictures Yes, that's what I mean ;-)...epiphanies -such a key moment, you can't afford for it to be on the nose #scriptchat

12:33 am             jeannevb:             the best ;) RT @dklon: @jeannevb Just thought I would sit back w/popcorn this time and read. #scriptchat

12:33 am             yeah_write:             My characters are with me all the time when I work on a project. Terrified I might start talking to them in public. #scriptchat

12:33 am             jeannevb:             hi! ;) RT @MonaLiNYC: "@jeannevb: Wanted to say hello to the group *you guys are great - watches from afar* #scriptchat"

12:33 am             GCGeek:             @ozzywood Congrats! See you for longer next time (I was late!) :-) #scriptchat

12:33 am             GinySassenach:             @Shanipedia Thanks #scriptchat

12:33 am             dwacon:             @jeannevb What wazzit David Mamet said about us all being whores? #scriptchat

12:34 am             jeannevb:             If we have any new ppl who found us via @scriptmag, don't be shy, take that shot of tequila & jump in! #scriptchat

12:34 am             blankethouse:             RT "@yeah_write: If you aren't putting your character in deeper, and then even deeper shit, you aren't developing your plot. #scriptchat"

12:34 am             SilverScriptz:             RT @sunspotpictures: RT @jeannevb: If ur stuck on char dev, think about ur own life. True for me. - This works for me also. #scriptchat

12:34 am             readerproof:             @brionykidd Every episode of house has that epiphany moment. Right at the end. Sometimes it's natural, sometimes not. #scriptchat

12:34 am             sam_gurney:             @Jonathan_Peace And you sell on spec? Good on you! #scriptchat

12:34 am             Jonathan_Peace:             @SharkGoddess I write the script, the STORY I want to 1st. THEN I try to sell. If it doesn't, that's my fault. Time to learn. #scriptchat

12:34 am             jeannevb:             <3 RT @yeah_write: My characters are w me all the time ... Terrified I might start talking to them in public #scriptchat

12:34 am             yeah_write:             @dwacon I don't mind being a whore if I get paid enough for it. lol #scriptchat

12:34 am             SharkGoddess:             To? RT @dwacon @KageyNYC I have a friend who makes $$$ selling scripts via Mandy & Craigslist. All non-WGA. but money is money. #scriptchat

12:35 am             readerproof:             @brionykidd It's good practice to judge that moment and see if they did it right. #scriptchat

12:35 am             jeannevb:             they also have seizures :) RT @readerproof: @brionykidd Every episode of house has that epiphany moment. Right at the end... #scriptchat

12:35 am             jeannevb:             Bumper Sticker ;) RT @yeah_write: @dwacon I dont mind being a whore if I get paid enough for it. lol #scriptchat

12:35 am             sunspotpictures:             @brionykidd ha - right. Can't be on the nose, but has to nail it. Usually comes from an epiphany of your own... #scriptchat

12:35 am             yeah_write:             BTW for those of you not in the chat, the whore comment was about writing for money. Just sayin' #scriptchat

12:35 am             GCGeek:             LOL indeed. I call it corporate life. RT @yeah_write: @dwacon I dont mind being a whore if I get paid enough for it. lol #scriptchat

12:35 am             GinySassenach:             @jeannevb Oh I do talk to them in public LOL @Yeah Write #scriptchat

12:35 am             Todfilm:             Biggest mistake was making a short film w/o a feature length script ready.Had a bunch of producers offering money but no script. #scriptchat

12:36 am             jeannevb:             As I've said many times, if you can't evolve in your own life & keep repeating mistakes, you cannot evolve ur char. Get therapy #scriptchat

12:36 am             brionykidd:             @readerproof I'm interested mechanics of how good scripts actually do it...ie.look in the eyes, or something cleverer? #scriptchat #epiphany

12:36 am             readerproof:             @jeannevb Almost every episode yes, lol #scriptchat

12:36 am             brionykidd:             @readerproof Good suggestion, thanks...I will try it. #scriptchat

12:36 am             jeannevb:             RT @Todfilm: Biggest mistake was making short film w/o feature script ready.Had bunch of producers offering money but no script. #scriptchat

12:37 am             Todfilm:             BTW House is one of the most successful TV shows around the world after CSI and Law and Order. #scriptchat

12:37 am             yeah_write:             So has anyone changed the direction of a story because of a character change along the way? #scriptchat

12:37 am             Jonathan_Peace:             Woah... Missing loads of messages/DM's. sorry if I don'[t get back straght away. Please bear with me.... wow. Humbled. *grin* #scriptchat

12:37 am             The_Jodi:             Hee! RT@yeah_write: @dwacon I don't mind being a whore if I get paid enough for it. lol #scriptchat #nocheapwhorezone

12:37 am             booksbelow:             'House' usually has several epiphany moments, but they all turn out to be false except the last one. #scriptchat

12:37 am             dynatec54:             RT @HayleyMckenzie1: West Yorkshire Playhouse is now accepting unsolicited scripts: http://bit.ly/dkSDTB #scriptchat #writing #theatre

12:38 am             booksbelow:             :-) RT @yeah_write: BTW for those of you not in the chat, the whore comment was about writing for money. Just sayin #scriptchat

12:38 am             Jonathan_Peace:             @sam_gurney I AIM to sell on spec. To me that's the honest way of writing. Write it first. Put the time in. Then see... #scriptchat

12:38 am             jeannevb:             @yeah_write yes! Needed to push prot further, so gave him some great plot points originally intended for supporting char #scriptchat

12:38 am             yeah_write:             @SharkGoddess If you are wanting to write for a network show, you have to give them a spec for another show, not theirs. #scriptchat

12:38 am             blankethouse:             I know where my main character(s) need to get to, its the othet characters and elements that challenge their goals. = fun times! #scriptchat

12:39 am             Jonathan_Peace:             @SharkGoddess Yeah, if that's that story you want to tell and they are the best avenue to distrbute. Maybe it could be a novel? #scriptchat

12:39 am             art1032:             Love it-lol- @jeannevb Bumper Sticker ;) RT @yeah_write: @dwacon I dont mind being a whore if I get paid enough for it. lol #scriptchat

12:39 am             dwacon:             @SharkGoddess AFAIK to small producers who may or may not get a film made and may or may not get distributed. #scriptchat

12:39 am             jeannevb:             Does some1 have a prob w their char they want to throw out there & see if we can help? #scriptchat

12:39 am             Jonathan_Peace:             @SharkGoddess But they have to request you write for them first. #scriptchat

12:39 am             TheWriteScript:             @yeah_write No, only because I am lazy and only want to craft the story once. But, characters tend to become more well-rounded. #scriptchat

12:39 am             GinySassenach:             @Todfilm Yes House is running out of good plots....tho' #scriptchat

12:40 am             sam_gurney:             @Jonathan_Peace That's the dream? #scriptchat

12:40 am             yeah_write:             Okay, so has anyone changed a character because they really wanted the plot to work better? #scriptchat

12:40 am             jeannevb:             *bangs hammer* we're getting a tad off topic here. CHAR DEVELOPMENT driving PLOT #scriptchat

12:40 am             dianewms:             I like it 2 RT@Todfilm: I am old fashioned aristotelian,believe character is revealed through action choices than dialogue. #scriptchat

12:40 am             yeah_write:             @TheWriteScript I plot and outline extensively now before writing a word, saves me a lot of grief. Changes made in outline. #scriptchat

12:41 am             sunspotpictures:             @brionykidd Good epiphanies are clever by nature. Surprises for the audience as much as they are for the character. #scriptchat

12:41 am             Jonathan_Peace:             But don't get me wrong. If Mr Bruckheimer came to me and said "Write me a new Armageddon" for $$$$$ I'd bite his arm off!!!! LOL #scriptchat

12:41 am             susiemccray:             RT @yeah_write: If you aren't putting your character in deeper, and then even deeper shit, you aren't developing your plot. #scriptchat

12:41 am             dwacon:             @Todfilm So you are saying I should take a feature script and make a short film out of it? Hmm... maybe a CGI short? #scriptchat

12:41 am             jeannevb:             How many of you use a beat sheet of some kind before writing draft 1? #scriptchat

12:41 am             Todfilm:             @GinySassenach True. Good television is like lightning in a bottle. It's hard to keep it going. #scriptchat

12:41 am             sam_gurney:             In the 2nd draft of my feature script I added a brand new character to provide a great dimension to hero & story. V liberating. #scriptchat

12:42 am             sunspotpictures:             RT @yeah_write: @TheWriteScript I plot and outline extensively now before writing a word, saves me a lot of grief. Changes made in outline. #scriptchat

12:42 am             Jonathan_Peace:             @yeah_write love the organic blossoming of a script. Shit, that sounds gay! I like to write freehand sometimes rather than plan #scriptchat

12:42 am             sunspotpictures:             RT @susiemccray: RT @yeah_write: If you aren't putting your character in deeper, and then even deeper shit, you aren't developing your plot. #scriptchat

12:42 am             jeannevb:             RT @sam_gurney: In 2nd draft I added a brand new character to provide a great dimension to hero & story. V liberating. #scriptchat

12:42 am             yeah_write:             STC beat sheet, then I hammer out the individual scenes. #scriptchat

12:42 am             dwacon:             @jeannevb Ouch! Don't hammer me *there* -- ways to grow character? Adversity. Desire. Threat of death. And... ? #scriptchat

12:42 am             brionykidd:             RT @sunspotpictures: @brionykidd Good epiphanies are clever by nature. Surprises for the audience as much as they are for the character. #scriptchat

12:43 am             SilverScriptz:             RT @yeah_write: STC beat sheet, then I hammer out the individual scenes. Yes! #scriptchat

12:43 am             jeannevb:             I'm a big believer in plotting beforehand. Had a 31-page scene-by-scene outline for #slaverybyanothername #scriptchat

12:43 am             Todfilm:             @dwacon It's worked for a lot of ppl. Look at Neill Blomkapp with District 9. Not saying it's the only option. Just one option. #scriptchat

12:43 am             yeah_write:             @Jonathan_Peace I used to write "seat of my pants" but it was such a waste of time, and I'd forget where I was going. #scriptchat

12:43 am             ScriptScribbler:             I think that as you get 2 know your chars, the way they react 2 the situations you put em in may change so the plot follows.y/n #scriptchat

12:43 am             Jonathan_Peace:             @Shanipedia Losng flow of convo. What's not true? LOL sorry, having trouble keeping up with streams tonight #scriptchat

12:43 am             dianewms:             @jeannevb use a beat sheet of some kind before writing draft 1? #scriptchat I've a family history that I need to adapt to beats in progress.

12:43 am             blankethouse:             @jeannevb yup, that's how I start every script. It sometime changes after writing. #scriptchat

12:44 am             jeannevb:             I use Hero's 2 Journeys RT @yeah_write: STC beat sheet, then I hammer out the individual scenes. #scriptchat

12:44 am             sam_gurney:             @jeannevb All I have before draft 1 is a book full of scribbled notes. The more organised stuff comes later? #scriptchat

12:44 am             Jonathan_Peace:             @yeah_write I beat sheet the 27 hits I want and then let her loose. #scriptchat

12:44 am             brionykidd:             @readerproof @SunspotPictures I suppose where it's about the character learning it's harder though, emotional journey stuff... #scriptchat

12:44 am             jeannevb:             #treefort #teaser: In a coming chat, we'll have a guest fr STC :) #scriptchat

12:45 am             yeah_write:             @sam_gurney I have a crap ton of scribbled notes and crazy bits in my small recorder. lol #scriptchat

12:45 am             DoubleNW:             I think it's important 2 listen 2 ur main character/go n the direction he or she wants 2 take u. Gotta b open minded #scriptchat

12:45 am             Jonathan_Peace:             btw my beat sheet = 3 acts. Each act has a beginning, middle end and so do they. Therefore 27 beats. #scriptchat

12:45 am             brionykidd:             @readerproof @SunspotPictures eg."Ah, now I understand. My parents never loved me so I've been hating myself" ... #scriptchat

12:45 am             dklon:             @jeannevb What about being 3 sheets to the wind before hitting the keys? #scriptchat

12:45 am             GCGeek:             @jeannevb Do you change your plot/scenes if the character(s) take you there as you really get into them & the story? #scriptchat

12:45 am             Jonathan_Peace:             My more detailed notes are scribbled in pencil onto the rough draft/rewrite drafts. #scriptchat

12:45 am             brionykidd:             @readerproof @SunspotPictures I mean, you probably have to say that in words, but comes out a bit Touched by An Angel #scriptchat

12:45 am             yeah_write:             For those who don't know what STC is, it's SAVE THE CAT by Blake Snyder. An incredible series of books. #scriptchat

12:46 am             jeannevb:             yes! RT @GCGeek: @jeannevb Do u change ur plot/scenes if character(s) take you there as you really get into them & the story? #scriptchat

12:46 am             yeah_write:             That works too. RT @dklon: @jeannevb What about being 3 sheets to the wind before hitting the keys? #scriptchat

12:46 am             blankethouse:             RT @jeannevb: *bangs hammer* we're getting a tad off topic here. CHAR DEVELOPMENT driving PLOT #scriptchat

12:46 am             Jonathan_Peace:             @Shanipedia Never tried a pilot. Had a few ideas but nothing worth going for. #scriptchat

12:46 am             jeannevb:             @GCGeek in editing article I wrote for @PeevishPenman, I go into detail on how I make changes. Will @ u when it goes live Monday #scriptchat

12:46 am             yeah_write:             @LesannSartor Exactly. Seat of the pants just means 300 more rewrites! #scriptchat

12:47 am             sunspotpictures:             @brionykidd seems the most powerful character learning epiphanies are subtle ones, because they force aud to ponder significance #scriptchat

12:47 am             jeannevb:             aww, u know me so well :) RT @dklon: @jeannevb What about being 3 sheets to the wind before hitting the keys? #scriptchat

12:47 am             Todfilm:             @jeannevb I am using a technique I learned from a class at AFI, outline, wrict Act 1, then Act 3, then go back and rewrite Act 1 #scriptchat

12:47 am             jeannevb:             RT @yeah_write: For those who dont know what STC is, its SAVE THE CAT by Blake Snyder. An incredible series of books. #scriptchat

12:47 am             sunspotpictures:             @brionykidd The Soprano's always did this superbly #scriptchat

12:47 am             brionykidd:             RT @Phobophilia @brionykidd understatement is key, I reckon. Walk your audience towards it... #scriptchat #epiphany

12:47 am             GinySassenach:             I wish I had someone working with me...I could bounce thought off them and get info #scriptchat

12:47 am             yeah_write:             @LesannSartor And I find that my story doesn't make as much sense either. Because it's developed over too long a span of time #scriptchat

12:48 am             dklon:             @jeannevb So you use the Patron beat sheet method too, eh? #scriptchat

12:48 am             brionykidd:             RT @Phobophilia but let them find it for themselves at same time as character. #scriptchat #epiphany

12:48 am             jeannevb:             @Todfilm interesting. Last script, I rewrote Act 1 & 2 before writing Act 3 #scriptchat

12:48 am             bfogle75:             @jeannevb #scriptchat I always use index cards, and make an outline. Whether that plans holds through the end of the draft is another thing.

12:48 am             GCGeek:             @jeannevb I would love that. Thank you! #scriptchat

12:48 am             blankethouse:             @yeah_write: Okay, so has anyone changed a character because they really wanted the plot to work better? #scriptchat good question. Not yet

12:49 am             Todfilm:             Write drunk, edit sober - Ernest Hemmingway #scriptchat

12:49 am             ScriptScribbler:             @jeannevb Ooooooo... I did that once and Act 3 was a disaster! #scriptchat

12:49 am             brionykidd:             @readerproof Yes, I agree....but seems to always come up in sort of scripts I write, so thought should try to do some work on it #scriptchat

12:49 am             DevonEllington:             @yeah_write I find when I trust my characters, they lead me to the best places. #scriptchat

12:49 am             jeannevb:             @KageyNYC & I r testing new kind of "collaboration". I think u'll like it @GinySassenach. Will discuss on writing partner night #scriptchat

12:49 am             brionykidd:             RT @sunspotpictures: @brionykidd seems the most powerful character learning epiphanies are subtle ones, because they force aud to ponder significance #scriptchat

12:49 am             ScriptScribbler:             RT @Todfilm: Write drunk, edit sober - Ernest Hemmingway #scriptchat

12:50 am             Jonathan_Peace:             I just saw that the writer of Killers (@thembob) is now following me. Wow. What a great night! #scriptchat

12:50 am             jeannevb:             I wrote the book ;) RT @dklon: @jeannevb So you use the Patron beat sheet method too, eh? #scriptchat

12:50 am             yeah_write:             While everyone is still here. Mark your calendars for next Sunday when our guest will be @thembob writer of feature film KILLERS #scriptchat

12:50 am             brionykidd:             @SunspotPictures I like that idea. So maybe you're not really sure what it means at that moment, but you start to ponder it. #scriptchat

12:50 am             yeah_write:             So true! RT @DevonEllington: @yeah_write I find when I trust my characters, they lead me to the best places. #scriptchat

12:50 am             jeannevb:             @bfogle75 I used notecards after the 1st draft to see how I could move scenes around, pick up pace & change stakes #scriptchat

12:50 am             Jonathan_Peace:             Here, here. (or is that Hear, Hear!) RT @Todfilm: Write drunk, edit sober - Ernest Hemmingway #scriptchat

12:50 am             dianewms:             @jeannevb "What about being 3 sheets to the wind before hitting the keys?" #scriptchat -- yeah, that's what I need!

12:50 am             jeannevb:             @bfogle75 it was 1st time I had used them. Loved it! :) #scriptchat

12:51 am             yeah_write:             I love Hemmingway for that statement. RT @ScriptScribbler: RT @Todfilm: Write drunk, edit sober - Ernest Hemmingway #scriptchat

12:51 am             Todfilm:             We all know Act 2 is the most difficult part of the script to get right. At least it is for me. #scriptchat

12:51 am             dwacon:             @jeannevb STC is very good in building character background -- Michael Hauge has another good technique that I use. #scriptchat

12:51 am             sunspotpictures:             @brionykidd Yes, exactly. Very gratifying for an audience member to "get it" #scriptchat

12:51 am             jeannevb:             fyi, if you're new to the chat, don't fret, TRANSCRIPT is posted on our blog after http://scriptchat.com #scriptchat

12:51 am             KageyNYC:             All the fun, none of the grief! RT @jeannevb: @KageyNYC & I r testing new kind of "collaboration". #scriptchat

12:51 am             Jonathan_Peace:             See my last tweet LOL RT @yeah_write: Mark your calendars for next Sunday when our guest will be @thembob writer of KILLERS #scriptchat

12:52 am             yeah_write:             I write everything out longhand in a notebook. Number the scenes, then put them on a "board" in my notebook. #scriptchat

12:52 am             bfogle75:             I'm not a huge fan of Snyder's book. The guy wrote lame movies, and his formula is just that...a formula. #scriptchat

12:52 am             brionykidd:             @Phobophilia Agree...difficult though because it's imperative the aud gets it, can't be ambiguous if it's a plot point. #scriptchat

12:52 am             sam_gurney:             @DevonEllington Yeah I've gotten some great scenes out of just following my characters. Important to have boundaries though. #scriptchat

12:52 am             FilmThreat:             Edit!?! RT @Todfilm: Write drunk, edit sober - Ernest Hemmingway #scriptchat

12:52 am             GCGeek:             YES! RT @jeannevb: @KageyNYC @GinySassenach. & I r testing new kind of "collaboration". Will discuss on writing partner night #scriptchat

12:52 am             KageyNYC:             RT @yeah_write: While everyone is here. Mark ur calendars for nxt Sunday - guest will be @thembob writer of feature film KILLERS #scriptchat

12:52 am             ElysabethW:             RT @yeah_write:I love Hemmingway for that statement RT @ScriptScribbler RT @Todfilm: Write drunk, edit sober - Ernest Hemmingway #scriptchat

12:52 am             GinySassenach:             @Shanipedia Thanks will do. #scriptchat

12:52 am             jeannevb:             @dwacon Love Michael Hauge's roadmap. Live by it. #scriptchat

12:52 am             HollyGhere:             WHAT are you talking about?! RT @GinySassenach: This is last tweet until #scriptchat the twitter police are on my tail.

12:52 am             jeannevb:             :) RT @KageyNYC: All the fun, none of the grief! RT @jeannevb: @KageyNYC & I r testing new kind of "collaboration". #scriptchat

12:52 am             dianewms:             @jeannevb #scriptchat Since I'm writing a based on true story script, my character has to be based on his actions. I have no dialog to use.

12:53 am             GCGeek:             In Ink. RT @yeah_write: Mark your calendars for next Sunday when our guest will be @thembob writer of feature film KILLERS #scriptchat

12:53 am             brionykidd:             @SunspotPictures Well, that is promising idea. Seems like they would do that a lot on shows like THE WIRE...not spoonfeeding.#scriptchat

12:53 am             jeannevb:             @thembob is NEXT WEEK's #scriptchat GUEST! Bio here: http://bit.ly/9dwVWM

12:53 am             Jonathan_Peace:             @yeah_write I've just made it 'policy' to write rough drafts longhand now. #scriptchat

12:53 am             jeannevb:             @dianewms we had no dialogue for #slaverybyanothername either. Also true events. Loved it. #scriptchat

12:54 am             art1032:             A smartboard would be so nice for outlining :) @jeannevb @bfogle75 it was 1st time I had used them. Loved it! :) #scriptchat

12:54 am             Todfilm:             Another concept of Aristotle is that conflict derives from the character of the lead actor. Their choices cause the crisis. #scriptchat

12:54 am             dklon:             Careful when you go to a bar. You never know when the editor for a paper is sitting next to you. #scriptchat

12:54 am             Loglinecreator:             @Jonathan_Peace, if you're writing a beat sheet check out my Synopsis Engine, http://bit.ly/dapeyT #scriptchat #screenwriting #indiefilm

12:54 am             jeannevb:             YES! RT @art1032: A smartboard would be so nice for outlining :) @jeannevb @bfogle75 it was 1st time I had used them. Loved it! #scriptchat

12:54 am             yeah_write:             I know @thembob is really looking forward to being our guest. Be sure to tweet it out this week. #scriptchat

12:54 am             jeannevb:             5 more minutes... man, this flew #scriptchat

12:54 am             theworldhour:             RT @Jonathan_Peace: Here, here. (or is that Hear, Hear!) RT @Todfilm: Write drunk, edit sober - Ernest Hemmingway #scriptchat

12:54 am             sam_gurney:             @dianewms Always room for artistic license though! #scriptchat

12:54 am             LiaKeyes:             @jeannevb Is there a link to Michael Hauge's roadmap? #ScriptChat

12:55 am             bfogle75:             @jeannevb Sweet! Tried the latest version of Final Draft? Best feature is the notecard drag and drop. #scriptchat

12:55 am             jeannevb:             RT @Todfilm: Another concept of Aristotle is conflict derives fr character of the lead actor. Their choices cause the crisis. #scriptchat

12:55 am             brionykidd:             @nortypig Reminds me of the push/pull in Hitchcock films, VERTIGO shot (also in JAWS)...good philosophy for horror/thrillers. #scriptchat

12:55 am             yeah_write:             I am dying from the smell of bug spray. But it's either that or mosquito bites or go inside. I like it out here. #scriptchat

12:55 am             Jonathan_Peace:             2am here in UK.... got a few hrs before have to 'hand' in rough draft of script to director. Time for Signs/The Happening #scriptchat

12:55 am             jeannevb:             @Todfilm I dig that. U have me thinking ;) #Aristotle #scriptchat

12:55 am             GCGeek:             Can you develop writing partner like a great character? Or kill 'em off? RT @KageyNYC: All the fun, none of the grief! @jeannevb #scriptchat

12:56 am             kingisafink:             RT @jeannevb: @thembob is NEXT WEEK's #scriptchat GUEST! Bio here: http://bit.ly/9dwVWM

12:56 am             dianewms:             Next Sunday guest will be @thembob writer of KILLERS #scriptchat I liked Killers & #TomSelleck. Just got DVD. Like #RobLuketic too.

12:56 am             jeannevb:             I created one in Word. DM me ur email & I'll send it ;) RT @LiaKeyes: @jeannevb Is there a link to Michael Hauge's roadmap? #ScriptChat

12:56 am             Todfilm:             Example: The Matrix, it is in Neo's character to have to figure things out and that leads him to the central crisis. #scriptchat

12:56 am             GinySassenach:             In script I started with one character being the main one then while writing another cropped up just as important....What to do? #scriptchat

12:56 am             jeannevb:             I think I'm about to be in #twitterjail #scriptchat

12:56 am             dianewms:             @yeah_write Use a citronella candle? #scriptchat

12:56 am             LiaKeyes:             RT @Todfilm: Another concept of Aristotle is conflict derives fr character of the lead actor. Their choices cause the crisis. #scriptchat

12:56 am             yeah_write:             If you are attending next week's chat with @thembob, get here early to get a good seat. lol #scriptchat

12:57 am             brionykidd:             @Andrew_W_Harper The moment where they finally "get it" ie. could be major reveal or that they finally understand emotionally #scriptchat

12:57 am             CtKscribe:             I think everyone should write amazing characters & plots that make me quiver. But I don't know if that's too much to ask? #ScriptChat

12:57 am             Todfilm:             Many situations in movies where most people would walk away and give up. But for this person, they can't b/c of who they are. #scriptchat

12:57 am             sam_gurney:             @Jonathan_Peace You're a trooper. More JD will help. #scriptchat

12:57 am             SilverScriptz:             @jeannevb Thanks so much for the invite... wanted to get that in b/f closing time! Cheers, Kaz #scriptchat

12:57 am             Andrew_W_Harper:             @brionykidd @SunspotPictures @brionykidd #scriptchat must also be composed of already existing script elements or it's a deus ex machina

12:58 am             Jonathan_Peace:             Question: do we write our scripts or do they write us? #scriptchat

12:58 am             GinySassenach:             Loved it @dianewms Next Sunday guest will be @thembob writer of KILLERS #scriptchat I liked Killers & #TomSelleck. ust got DVD. #scriptchat

12:58 am             SharkGoddess:             SharkGoddess @Todfilm Right or wrong the characters choice should propel the plot forward #Scriptchat

12:58 am             jeannevb:             @SilverScriptz *smooch* #scriptchat

12:58 am             dianewms:             @jeannevb #slaverybyanothername Is it sold? In production? Available to read? #scriptchat

12:58 am             yeah_write:             @dianewms I have that too. The mosquitoes in Iowa are mutant. Cross between fairies and vampires. Hard to kill. lol #scriptchat

12:58 am             Jonathan_Peace:             @yeah_write Booking it now!! #scriptchat

12:58 am             jeannevb:             Some great nuggets tonight, everyone! #scriptchat

12:58 am             Todfilm:             @GinySassenach Don't fight the story. Go with where it leads you. It may be more interesting in the long run. #scriptchat

12:58 am             GinySassenach:             @yeah_write Now Im nervous....will have to be here extra early for seat next to #treefort and @thembob #scriptchat

12:59 am             SharkGoddess:             @CtKscribe It's harder than you might think. #scriptchat

12:59 am             bfogle75:             Fo sho! RT @jeannevb: Some great nuggets tonight, everyone! #scriptchat

12:59 am             Jonathan_Peace:             btw: does anyone else get those: just finished a script blues? #scriptchat

12:59 am             yeah_write:             @jeannevb will be in twitter jail soon, but she'll reappear as her alter ego. #scriptchat

12:59 am             sunspotpictures:             Good point! RT @Andrew_W_Harper: @brionykidd #scriptchat must also be composed of already existing script elements or it's a deus ex machina

12:59 am             SharkGoddess:             I'm trying to show a man who is the ultimate evil, any thoughts? He's a vampire, elite background. #scriptchat

12:59 am             dianewms:             @yeah_write What time does #scriptchat start Sept. 20? 7pm Eastern?

12:59 am             jeannevb:             @dianewms not sold, but being read by prod co's ;) #slaverybyanothername #scriptchat

12:59 am             DanaFukazawa:             RT @FilmThreat: Edit!?! RT @Todfilm: Write drunk, edit sober - Ernest Hemmingway #scriptchat

12:59 am             CtKscribe:             ;) C'mon, Genius is a dime a dozen! No? RT @SharkGoddess: @CtKscribe It's harder than you might think. #scriptchat

12:59 am             Jonathan_Peace:             Thanks to uber-pimpangel @jeannevb fpor another great #scriptchat #scriptchat

1:00 am             booksbelow:             @jeannevb Where's the link to your article on editing? #scriptchat

1:00 am             KageyNYC:             @GCGeek We're running it like getting advice from your mom: Listen to her but in the end do whatever the hell you want @jeannevb #scriptchat

1:00 am             Jonathan_Peace:             RT @Todfilm: @GinySassenach Dont fight the story. Go with where it leads you. It may be more interesting in the long run. #scriptchat

1:00 am             jeannevb:             @dianewms if u want to talk about adapting true story, DM me ur email. Happy to tell u our process. #slaverybyanothername #scriptchat

1:00 am             GinySassenach:             Oh no now 9:00! #scriptchat

1:00 am             brionykidd:             @Andrew_W_Harper How do you write that moment so it's not obvious/preachy, without big close up of eyes lighting up & 'aha!' #scriptchat

1:00 am             jeannevb:             It'll be live tomorrow on @PeevishPenman :) RT @booksbelow: @jeannevb Where's the link to your article on editing? #scriptchat

1:00 am             sam_gurney:             ?@Jonathan_Peace: Question: do we write our scripts or do they write us? #scriptchat *head explodes*

1:00 am             dwacon:             This was fun. Thanks, all. Off to brew my cuppa pomegranate green tea. #scriptchat

1:00 am             GinySassenach:             @Shanipedia One is the antagonist #scriptchat

1:01 am             jeannevb:             Don't forget @thembob next week! #scriptchat

1:01 am             Jonathan_Peace:             I need gratuitous firepower and possibly flagrant nudity. Suggestions? #scriptchat

1:01 am             brionykidd:             @Andrew_W_Harper Yes, definitely. You have to have put the info in there somewhere leading up to epiphany #scriptchat

1:01 am             jeannevb:             9/19 8pm ET RT @dianewms: @yeah_write What time does #scriptchat start Sept. 20? 7pm Eastern? #scriptchat

1:01 am             SharkGoddess:             Learned alot. I'll have to go back over it all and ponder.. Ultimately every writer must find what works best for them, right? #scriptchat

1:01 am             bfogle75:             @SharkGoddess have him eat a child. #scriptchat

1:02 am             jeannevb:             *shiver* Say it isn't so! Handcuffs are off now, people. Run wild & free! RT @GinySassenach: Oh no now 9:00! #scriptchat

1:02 am             LiaKeyes:             Yeah, baby! :) RT @Jonathan_Peace: Thanks to uber-pimpangel @jeannevb fpor another great #scriptchat #scriptchat

1:02 am             SharkGoddess:             @CtKscribe If it were only that easy. #scriptchat

1:02 am             jeannevb:             *curtsy* RT @LiaKeyes: Yeah, baby! :) RT @Jonathan_Peace: Thanks to uber-pimpangel @jeannevb fpor another great #scriptchat #scriptchat

1:02 am             GCGeek:             Punchline overload RT @CtKscribe: I think everyone should write amazing characters & plots that make me quiver-too much to ask? #scriptchat

1:02 am             yeah_write:             @dianewms It's Sept. 19th and always at 5pm PST #scriptchat

1:02 am             GinySassenach:             Thanks again to @jeannevb and #treefort and all the wondeful people on tonight! #scriptchat

1:03 am             jeannevb:             fyi, @LiaKeyes is in the house, moderator of @scribechat on Thursday nights. Last chat talked pushing past fears in writing #scriptchat

1:03 am             bfogle75:             @Jonathan_Peace Only if I read my draft. #scriptchat

1:03 am             GCGeek:             I like that! I'm sure it's great advice, too. Really looking forward to it. @KageyNYC: @jeannevb #scriptchat

1:03 am             jeannevb:             HAHA RT @bfogle75: @SharkGoddess have him eat a child. #scriptchat

1:03 am             Todfilm:             @SharkGoddess I love writing bad guys. I think all great villains have an essence of twisted humanity that we can identify with. #scriptchat

1:03 am             sam_gurney:             Holy crap, all that reading & thinking was just what I needed. Thanks #scriptchat Sleep now?

1:03 am             SharkGoddess:             @Shanipedia Okay, got you. Thank you! Ive; got alot to learn.. #scriptchat

1:04 am             Jonathan_Peace:             @SharkGoddess Definatelty. for my 'rules' of screenwriting hit my blog at http://jonathan-peace.posterouos.com (blatant pimp) #scriptchat

1:04 am             Andrew_W_Harper:             @brionykidd use sound more? Epiphany is lateral in nature. Revelation is already there; one sees it differently to notice it. #scriptchat

1:04 am             Todfilm:             @SharkGoddess And most evil people don't think of themselves as evil. They have justified their actions to themselves. #scriptchat

1:04 am             RickRapier:             Me too. RT @jeannevb: I'm a big believer in plotting beforehand. Had a 31-page scene-by-scene outline for #slaverybyanothername #scriptchat

1:04 am             Jonathan_Peace:             RT @GinySassenach: Thanks again to @jeannevb and #treefort and all the wondeful people on tonight! #scriptchat

1:04 am             Shanipedia:             @GinySassenach they can be equally important/interesting. Look at Die Hard. Just try to make them near complete opposites. #scriptchat

1:04 am             writeononline:             THX @jeannevb PIMP commercial if ur LA writer @writeononline has writing retreat soon http://writeontrackla.com/writing-retreat/ #scriptchat

1:05 am             SharkGoddess:             @bfogle75 Well he does, rape a child, 17? But eat one, yes, I think that'd be good..Thanks! #scriptchat

1:05 am             jeannevb:             *curtsy* ur welcome RT @GinySassenach: Thanks again to @jeannevb and #treefort and all the wondeful people on tonight! #scriptchat

1:05 am             GinySassenach:             @Shanipedia Thanks for all the help! #scriptchat

1:05 am             jamesgalenz:             RT @yeah_write: If you aren't putting your character in deeper, and then even deeper shit, you aren't developing your plot. #scriptchat

1:05 am             scripteach:             Amen to that! RT @jeannevb: I'm a big believer in plotting beforehand. Had a 31-page scene-by-scene outline for SBAN #scriptchat

1:05 am             yeah_write:             Thanks everyone for another wonderful #scriptchat Now I must go for a run. Good night.

1:05 am             LiaKeyes:             *Waves* Thanks for the welcome! RT @jeannevb: fyi, @LiaKeyes is in the house, moderator of #scribechat on Thursday nights. #scriptchat

1:06 am             brionykidd:             RT @Andrew_W_Harper: @brionykidd use sound more? Epiphany is lateral in nature. Revelation is already there; one sees it differently to notice it. #scriptchat

1:06 am             jeannevb:             Sorry if I missed anyone's @'s ... drinking, chatting & moderating ain't easy ;) Clearly, I'm a very developed character #scriptchat

1:06 am             RickRapier:             My life keeps getting in the way of #scriptchat! For me, character & theme definitely drive the plot.

1:06 am             Jonathan_Peace:             @SharkGoddess try http://jonathan-peace.posterous.com instead. Damn Mr D!! #scriptchat

1:07 am             bfogle75:             @SharkGoddess Winner! #scriptchat

1:07 am             brionykidd:             @Andrew_W_Harper That's good. Lateral ways to reveal being actually more realistic #scriptchat

1:07 am             jeannevb:             @scripteach always late for the party... you hanging out at H&M again? :) #scriptchat

1:07 am             Shanipedia:             @GinySassenach np hope it helps. never stop writing at the end of a scene, either. #scriptchat

1:07 am             TheWriteScript:             Thanks, everyone! See you all next time. #scriptchat

1:07 am             jeannevb:             @yeah_write night, Jamie! :) xo #scriptchat

1:07 am             RickRapier:             But in weird way, plot dictates character at the outset. I look at how premise can best be exploited by right character. #scriptchat

1:07 am             Jonathan_Peace:             @yeah_write A run... it's 2am.... oh wait... I'm a damn Brit! LOL #timezonemadness #scriptchat

1:07 am             SharkGoddess:             @Todfilm Great thought! Yes, he has a strong sense of family might be the only humanity left in him, I'll push that. #scriptchat

1:08 am             jeannevb:             Going quiet for bit to see if transcript is working... chat away, but save some tequila for me ;) #scriptchat

1:08 am             brionykidd:             Yes! so it's knowing your theme I guess RT @Phobophilia foreshadow it with a key word or phrase earlier in story, perhaps? #scriptchat

1:08 am             SharkGoddess:             RT @Todfilm: @SharkGoddess I love writing bad guys. I think all great villains have an essence of twisted humanity that we can identify with. #scriptchat

1:08 am             GCGeek:             Thanks! RT @GinySassenach: Thanks again to @jeannevb and #treefort and all the wondeful people on tonight! @yeah_write @KageyNYC #scriptchat

1:09 am             Todfilm:             Gnight all. Twas fun. #scriptchat

1:09 am                GCGeek:                Fave character! RT @jeannevb: ... drinking, chatting & moderating aint easy ;) Clearly, Im a very developed character #scriptchat

1:09 am             dianewms:             #scriptchat Sunday, Sept. 19 at 8 pm with Killers screenwriter @thembob, Bob DeRosa!

1:09 am             scripteach:             Ha-ha! Literally just got home from Adirondacks. RT @jeannevb: always late for the party... you hanging out at H&M again? :) #scriptchat

1:10 am             brionykidd:             @Phobophilia Yes, it's the neonlit part that worries me. I guess it's just skill & experience #scriptchat

1:10 am             KageyNYC:             Amen, brother. RT @RickRapier: My life keeps getting in the way of #scriptchat! For me, character & theme definitely drive the plot.

1:10 am             Jonathan_Peace:             Okay all. Gotta go get these last pages checked over. Love to all, and remember... Keep It Simple... #scriptchat

1:10 am             LConoscenti:             RT @Todfilm: Another concept of Aristotle is that conflict derives from the character of the lead actor. Their choices cause the crisis. #scriptchat

1:11 am             brionykidd:             Thanks #scriptchat !!!

1:11 am             SilverScriptz:             G'night all... *grabs the mop and cleans the floor - whistlin' a happy tune* #scriptchat

1:11 am             jeannevb:             Excellent. Transcript is working. Off to tuck the kids in. Thanks again for joining us tonight! #scriptchat

1:11 am             KageyNYC:             I got a hubby, booze and a full DVR. Goodnight #scriptchat. Peace!

1:11 am             SharkGoddess:             @Jonathan_Peace OK, thank you very much. I'm just starting out #scriptchat

1:12 am             jeannevb:             Will post transcript in next 30 minutes. See you all with @thembob next Sunday. As always, you guys were amazing. #scriptchat