A robust chat tonight with our scriptchatters sharing tons of tips on their outlining (or pantser) processes. One thing is clear: There's no one way to break story. Enjoy the variety of advice! @jeannevb
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Sunday, May 22, 2016
#Scriptchat Transcript Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas - Theme, Structure, Outlining May 22, 2016
Tonight's guest was producer Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas talking theme, structure and outlining. Storify site wasn't working, so I had to copy the transcript from Twitter. To read, please scroll down to the bottom and read backwards. If the site starts working, I'll grab an easier transcript to read. Apologies! @jeannevb
REMINDER: Next week, there's no chat due to Memorial Day.
 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 34m34 minutes ago
Last pice of advice - structure is right there at the end of your arm. stretch out your right arm, point fingers up: screenplay! #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 34m34 minutes ago
Thanks for joining us, everyone. Any future topic ideas, feel free to message me! Grabbing the transcript now... #scriptchat
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 J Gideon Sarantinos @jgsarantinos 34m34 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas @jeannevb #scriptchat tequila looks like water
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 34m34 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas @jeannevb you are so welcome back any time. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 35m35 minutes ago
@jeannevb @jgsarantinos @BigBigIdeas Traditions matter #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 35m35 minutes ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas SO flattered to be here. except for the spelling stress! thx of the good questions #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 35m35 minutes ago
Thank you all for the wonderful advice & your time chatting! #scriptchat @jeannevb @BigBigIdeas
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 35m35 minutes ago
Good night everybody. #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 35m35 minutes ago
@jgsarantinos tequila is the official drink :) @BigBigIdeas #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 35m35 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas many thanks for fielding our questions #scriptchat
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 Sarah Newman @SarahAlexis4 35m35 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas Thanks for being here. All the best with the book! #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 36m36 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas thanks so much for your perspectives and advice! #scriptchat
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 J Gideon Sarantinos @jgsarantinos 36m36 minutes ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas #scriptchat water I hope?
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 36m36 minutes ago
HBO Exec Chris Salvaterra dishes career/writing advice. #scriptchat #screenwriting http://www.scriptmag.com/features/hbo-chris-salvattera-business-of-screenwriting …

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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 36m36 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas If it wasn't for that, you'd get the book done in only one month! #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 36m36 minutes ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas Most of us. Never touch the stuff myself. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 36m36 minutes ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas Dang - you did not tell med that JVB. On my way to dinner and Hookah bar now! #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 37m37 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas this is why we drink while we chat. :) #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 37m37 minutes ago
wow that went fast - but given how clumsy a typist I am, I nearly broke a sweat. #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 37m37 minutes ago
NO #scriptchat next week. Happy Memorial Day!
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 Tamawil @Tamawil 38m38 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas @Tamawil thank you. sorry for the retweet. >_< #scriptchat
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 Tamawil @Tamawil 38m38 minutes ago
@bigbigideas Would practicing on short scripts help hone theme, structure, and outlining? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 38m38 minutes ago
@Tamawil @BigBigIdeas I think it could be a good way to build muscle. #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 38m38 minutes ago
Our #scriptchat topic/guest schedule is here: http://scriptchat.blogspot.com/p/chat-topic-schedule.html … #bookmarkit
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 Adrienne Aiken @AdrienneAiken 38m38 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas @blueneumann like query letters! Haha #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 38m38 minutes ago
@JLalliWriter yes essentially, pinch is a significant plot point that indicates shift in hero, arc, stakes, tone, escalation #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 39m39 minutes ago
@jgsarantinos I do that. I also do a lot of icons and so on for stuff like music, action, etc... #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 39m39 minutes ago
@Al_1701 Great set u pis lean, everything there for a reason. And theme is there too. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 40m40 minutes ago
@Al_1701 @blueneumann @jgsarantinos yes, inciting incident, torque in goal of hero, tonal shift - a escalation + higher stakes #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 40m40 minutes ago
Like Act 1 is introducing us to characters and setting, and then comes the main conflict to signal Act 2 starts. #scriptchat
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 J Gideon Sarantinos @jgsarantinos 40m40 minutes ago
@blueneumann #scriptchat u can also color code for each plot line.
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 Adrienne Aiken @AdrienneAiken 40m40 minutes ago
@blueneumann @BigBigIdeas yeah - but in my case, currently full 90 min #scriptchat
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 Joanne Lalli @JLalliWriter 40m40 minutes ago
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Pinch = plot point? #scriptchat
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Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas
@blueneumann @jgsarantinos Act 1, Act 2: 1st pinch, midpoint, second pinch, Act 3 #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 41m41 minutes ago
@AdrienneAiken @BigBigIdeas @blueneumann synopses suck - good way for people to get out of reading your work but necessary evil #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 41m41 minutes ago
For all the TV I watch, you'd think I'd have figured this out by osmosis by now #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 41m41 minutes ago
@blueneumann @jgsarantinos I would think acts change when there has been a major shakeup in story what it's doing. #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 42m42 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas But what if I want to bust that myth? Let me Adam Savage that stuff. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 42m42 minutes ago
@blueneumann @jgsarantinos Act 1, Act 2: 1st pinch, midpoint, second pinch, Act 3 #scriptchat
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 Adrienne Aiken @AdrienneAiken 42m42 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas @blueneumann I agree, totally! But for example, some contests ask for short description of acts.. so have to define #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 43m43 minutes ago
@jgsarantinos Yeah, one per scene, thinking how to group them into acts, you know? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 43m43 minutes ago
@blueneumann great to lean what works well for you. Just many #s you learn online are myths. Like the 25 word LL> #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 43m43 minutes ago
I'd just like a framework to test, see if it works. The 70 works well for me w/ movies and 5-act structure #scriptchat
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 J Gideon Sarantinos @jgsarantinos 43m43 minutes ago
@blueneumann #scriptchat based on 1 per scene
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 Adrienne Aiken @AdrienneAiken 44m44 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas no, 90 min.... Some places say 5 acts for tv.... or 4 + teaser...#scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 44m44 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas @AdrienneAiken and you mean full 30 and 60, not 22 and 45 like in the states, right? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 44m44 minutes ago
@blueneumann I think it's what you need to get your story structured. Numbers can be arbitrary. #scriptchat
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 Chris Hadley @filmwritr4 44m44 minutes ago
@blueneumann I've never thought about that. #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 45m45 minutes ago
I'm actually curious how many index cards are needed for an hour-long (or half hour) show. I've heard 70 for features, though #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 45m45 minutes ago
@filmwritr4 @BigBigIdeas @jeannevb They can be convenient for spacing your peaks and valleys. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 45m45 minutes ago
@AdrienneAiken hour long? 1/2 hour? #scriptchat
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 Christopher Phillips @byChrisPhillips 45m45 minutes ago
@dramseysmith14 @byChrisPhillips @BigBigIdeas Not all are perfect, but you can learn a lot in a writing group #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 45m45 minutes ago
@AdrienneAiken Not familiar enough with specific but you still need a three act structure - it may be broken up into more pieces #scriptchat
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 Chris Hadley @filmwritr4 46m46 minutes ago
@Al_1701 @BigBigIdeas @jeannevb I know! :) #scriptchat
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 Adrienne Aiken @AdrienneAiken 46m46 minutes ago
OK, so re TV series. I'm in the UK. So there's BBC (no ad breaks) & all else. What's the view on act structure + incl. teaser? #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 46m46 minutes ago
@dramseysmith14 finding a #screenwriting group is great to keep you motivated, writing & improving @byChrisPhillips #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 47m47 minutes ago
@filmwritr4 @BigBigIdeas @jeannevb Prepare for commerical breaks. #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 47m47 minutes ago
@AdrienneAiken what's the Q? #scriptchat
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 Chris Hadley @filmwritr4 47m47 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas @jeannevb Thanks so much! Any tips on outlining for TV? #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 47m47 minutes ago
@AdrienneAiken feel free to ask again. It's easy to miss a question #scriptchat
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 Dena Smith @dramseysmith14 47m47 minutes ago
@byChrisPhillips @BigBigIdeas Taken a few classes and have read a ton of books and scripts, but no groups yet. #scriptchat
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 Adrienne Aiken @AdrienneAiken 48m48 minutes ago
I don't feel I really got an answer re my acts question (unless I missed it?) #scriptchat
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 Leslie @SoCalScriptShop 48m48 minutes ago
Here's what you won't learn at a $400 weekend seminar: there is no advice better than reading spec scripts. #scriptchat
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 Chris Hadley @filmwritr4 48m48 minutes ago
@AdrienneAiken Doing great. I had a wonderful time over the weekend at my sister's wedding. It was beautiful in every way. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 48m48 minutes ago
@filmwritr4 @jeannevb @BigBigIdeas Here's the deal - they are all interconnected - must all be there in successful story #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 48m48 minutes ago
Joooiiiiin us! #scriptchat
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 Chris Hadley @filmwritr4 49m49 minutes ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas Like, would you do one by character arc? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 49m49 minutes ago
@dramseysmith14 @BigBigIdeas June 10-12 in LA. Tiki Bar Seminar Info: http://bit.ly/1XxJoOz Pic: http://bit.ly/24yOiwK #scriptchat
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 LindaScarlett @ZotBakingCo 49m49 minutes ago
Thank you for all the great information tonight!!! : ) #scriptchat
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 Chris Hadley @filmwritr4 49m49 minutes ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas In terms of structuring an outline, would you suggest a trad beat outline or by character stories? #scriptchat
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 Adrienne Aiken @AdrienneAiken 49m49 minutes ago
@filmwritr4 *waves back* good thanks. You? #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 49m49 minutes ago
Where are you located? Where can I catch one of your seminars in person? #scriptchat @BigBigIdeas
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 50m50 minutes ago
15 more minutes with @BigBigIdeas. Tonight's topic: Theme, structure & outlining #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 50m50 minutes ago
so..theme.... #scriptchat
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 Dena Smith @dramseysmith14 50m50 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas I might be your new student then.  #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 50m50 minutes ago
@filmwritr4 @byChrisPhillips hey fellow Chris. You're late. #scriptchat
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 Christopher Phillips @byChrisPhillips 50m50 minutes ago
@dramseysmith14 @BigBigIdeas Have you looked for http://Meetup.com screenwriting groups in your area? #scriptchat
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 Chris Hadley @filmwritr4 51m51 minutes ago
@blueneumann @ByChrisPhillips Hey! *waves* How are you guys? #scriptchat
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 Chris Hadley @filmwritr4 51m51 minutes ago
@AdrienneAiken Hey Adrienne! *waves* How are you? #scriptchat
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 Adrienne Aiken @AdrienneAiken 51m51 minutes ago
HI @filmwritr4 #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 51m51 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas @dramseysmith14 @DoctorOddity @byChrisPhillips pros are smart, facile but willing to work hard, eager 4 feedback #scriptchat
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 Chris Hadley @filmwritr4 51m51 minutes ago
@jeannevb @DoctorOddity Thanks for having @BigBigIdeas on tonight's chat! I'll try to read the transcript myself. #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 51m51 minutes ago
Did the chat just die down or is it just me? #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 52m52 minutes ago
@DoctorOddity chat every Sunday@ 5pm PT for an hour. Been doing it since 2009. Transcripts are all here: http://scriptchat.com #scriptchat
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 Chris Hadley @filmwritr4 52m52 minutes ago
Hey guys, sorry I'm late. How's everyone? Great to see @BigBigIdeas here. Welcome! *waves* #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 53m53 minutes ago
Also i'm sorry for stumbling into this chat #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 53m53 minutes ago
@dramseysmith14 @BigBigIdeas Big Ideas seminar comes with 6 months of mentorship. i believe in mentorship feedback is essential #scriptchat
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 Dena Smith @dramseysmith14 54m54 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas I need a mentor.been figuring out a lot of stuff on my own. #scriptchat
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 Michael Herst @mherst1014 54m54 minutes ago
BEHIND THE LINES WITH @byDougRich: #Screenwriting Advice - Asked & Answered @scriptmag http://bit.ly/1UG1eP3 #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 54m54 minutes ago
@byChrisPhillips @DoctorOddity @BigBigIdeas Thanks for the link #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 55m55 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas @dramseysmith14 pros never have to thing about fundamentals - it's ingrained. also have great film vocabularies #scriptchat
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 Christopher Phillips @byChrisPhillips 55m55 minutes ago
@DoctorOddity @BigBigIdeas http://bigbigideas.com/my-story/ #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 55m55 minutes ago
@dramseysmith14 @BigBigIdeas I've been fortunate to work with Oscar nominees as well as newbies. #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 56m56 minutes ago
I apologize @BigbigIdeas but I don't know most of the content you have produced where can I watch it? #scriptchat
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 Sarah Newman @SarahAlexis4 56m56 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas Q: Thoughts on how to choose one's next project from a list of ideas, especially from your POV as a producer? #scriptchat
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 Dena Smith @dramseysmith14 56m56 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas Just want to know who you could recommend that comments on their process and is willing to be helpful. If anyone? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 57m57 minutes ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas I'm about starting on a single page with header on top then expanding. grasp the basics & use post its #scriptchat
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 Douglas Eboch @dougeboch 57m57 minutes ago
Do you have to live in LA to be a #screenwriter? I address the question in my latest blog post. http://letsschmooze.blogspot.com/2016/05/do-you-have-to-live-in-los-angeles.html?spref=tw … #scriptchat
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 Dena Smith @dramseysmith14 57m57 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas Which writers do you know that seem to have a smooth process for getting stories off the ground? #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 58m58 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas how about some outlining tips? Index cards, bulletin board, color-coding? How do you get writers organized? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 58m58 minutes ago
@CatOfDarkComedy @BigBigIdeas Thank you. Can't wait to get back to it. So much done already. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 59m59 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas @DoctorOddity concept > theme > character > arc > structure That's the big giveaway here for building stories #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 59m59 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas Cool! Good luck on that! :) #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 60m60 minutes ago
@CatOfDarkComedy @BigBigIdeas Will be taking two months off this year to finish the book. Outline all done! #scriptchat
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 Chris Posen @ChrisPosen 1h1 hour ago
Don't just wish upon a star. Reach for it. #winning #writingprompts #writing #filmmaking #scriptchat #dreams #goals

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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas You just have to read the stuff so you want it to be good #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@DoctorOddity S'ok read all about me - I"m charming! #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas Very cool, I'll have to read that when it's released. Is it released? Thank you. :) #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@DoctorOddity @BigBigIdeas I am not a screenwriter. I am a producer who loves story and loves working with writers #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 1h1 hour ago
sorry for the questions #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
Also for any of you lurking in #scriptchat tonight... speak up! We don't bite! ...hard.
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 1h1 hour ago
@SoCalScriptShop Plot -> philosophy? How would you even do that? And why? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@DoctorOddity @BigBigIdeas http://bigbigideas.com/my-story/ #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 1h1 hour ago
has @bigbigideas written a script I could read? #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
I learned the value of structure in a college essay writing class. Why didn't they teach me that in HIGH SCHOOL!? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@DoctorOddity @BigBigIdeas http://gallery.mailchimp.com/ac0e341bea6fdf5a41177db37/files/Barri_Evins_credits_logos_3.13.pdf … #scriptchat
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 Leslie @SoCalScriptShop 1h1 hour ago
For anyone lurking on #scriptchat tonight--also beware of retrofitting a plot into a philosophy. Works in novels, not scripts.
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@CatOfDarkComedy @BigBigIdeas I am writing a book on story & used my structure template. Even outline my @scriptmag columns #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas Thank you :) #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas for us that dont know you #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 1h1 hour ago
@bigbigideas can you talk about what you've done #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@CatOfDarkComedy @BigBigIdeas I am a producer using what I have learned from eons in development and setting up projects. BUT #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 1h1 hour ago
Theme also helps make sure your beats connect with each other and how, right? #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 1h1 hour ago
How do structure your own personal outline before writing? #scriptchat @BigBigIdeas
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas those 5 beats are the spine of the story, arc of the character, illustration of how they change = theme #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 1h1 hour ago
.@BigBigIdeas has a great column on @scriptmag here: http://www.scriptmag.com/author/barrievins/ … Tons of insights & tips. #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@DoctorOddity Any of it helpful? #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 1h1 hour ago
so many people giving advice. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@blueneumann Bravo! #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas I'm looking for the 5 big beats and if they work #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
I've said it before, I took all my old ideas and stripped 'em down, discovered real interesting things about my process #scriptchat
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 Dena Smith @dramseysmith14 1h1 hour ago
@blueneumann @Al_1701 Don't know, because those aren't my kind of movies, but I can ask my son when he's done skating. #scriptchat #nmkom
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas there are times you can make a script "more better" but often you gotta go from the ground up #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas @SarahAlexis4 Ain't nothin' wrong with a system reboot! #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@jgsarantinos fits with the jaws example - fearful, fearless, respectful fear of the water #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas let's talk a bit about rewrites & how you tackle structure problems to get a script back on track #scriptchat
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 Hamish Dwyer @HamishD10 1h1 hour ago
#scriptchat Which would be good examples of memorable subplots?
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 J Gideon Sarantinos @jgsarantinos 1h1 hour ago
#scriptchat u can think of theme as a debate topic and each char explores it differently.
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@SarahAlexis4 @BigBigIdeas big one. I say strip it down to the bare bones. then start from the ground up #scriptchat
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 Christopher Phillips @byChrisPhillips 1h1 hour ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas Yes. Subplots are often reflections of the main theme... #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@blueneumann I think that can work. It depends on if that thinking works for you #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@DoctorOddity @Al_1701 @dramseysmith14 "America is awesome. How awesome? THIS awesome!" #scriptchat
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 Sarah Newman @SarahAlexis4 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas Q: Thoughts on how to diagnose & remedy the problem(s) with a structure that just isn't working in a screenplay? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas re: Mr. Bay #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
BOOM! CUT CUT CUT BOOM! $$$ #scriptchat
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 Adrienne Aiken @AdrienneAiken 1h1 hour ago
@blueneumann: @jeannevb @BigBigIdeas @jgsarantinos The neverending burden of creative impulse. #scriptchat Quite! As in 1.25am for starters!
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
Any thought to the idea that creativity is problem solving, so the theme could be a question? #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 1h1 hour ago
@blueneumann @dramseysmith14 Military worship, hot chicks, explosions, juvenile behavior, and inappropriate behavior. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@dramseysmith14 look at the work of great writers & big movie stars who can choose their project & you often see recurring theme #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 1h1 hour ago
@blueneumann @Al_1701 @dramseysmith14 Adventure! #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@Al_1701 @dramseysmith14 What would you say Michael Bay's theme is? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@blueneumann @jeannevb @BigBigIdeas @jgsarantinos Creative impulse great. But it needs to channeled to construct a screenplay #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 1h1 hour ago
@dramseysmith14 Seems to work for Michael Bay. #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@dramseysmith14 I'm worried it's hard not to do that. #scriptchat
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 Dena Smith @dramseysmith14 1h1 hour ago
I've always thought you could make a career out of proving the same theme, over and over again, just dress it up differently. #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas @jgsarantinos The neverending burden of creative impulse. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas @jgsarantinos and if you do... please move out of the house and stop mooching off me! #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas @jgsarantinos A big piece of life advice JVB #scriptchat
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 J Gideon Sarantinos @jgsarantinos 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas #scriptchat know your truth.
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@SarahAlexis4 @BigBigIdeas People jumping in before ready. Unfocused stories. Stories that don't have the essential elements #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas @jgsarantinos Me to kids: "Don't be a writer. And if you do, god help you." :) #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 1h1 hour ago
some Loglines-genre nets: spectre of dead child rapist haunts the children of parents who murdered him, killing in their dreams. #scriptchat
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 Adrienne Aiken @AdrienneAiken 1h1 hour ago
@CatOfDarkComedy @BigBigIdeas I would. Creative = Creator. I create my world (s) #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@jgsarantinos To students w/kids: if you were never going to see them again & give only 1 piece of advice what would you say? #scriptchat
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 Sarah Newman @SarahAlexis4 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas Q: In what ways/what "missteps" do you most often see muddle the theme and/or structure along the writing process? #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas @DoctorOddity thanks! it came to me after one of these #scriptchat sessions, actually!
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@jgsarantinos I like that. But it has to be wisdom you believe in. #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 1h1 hour ago
Would you consider writing a story like creating a universe all your own? @BigBigIdeas #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 1h1 hour ago
@SarahAlexis4 you are definitely a fellow #treeforter #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@blueneumann @DoctorOddity nice metaphor. a little *egdy* #scriptchat
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 J Gideon Sarantinos @jgsarantinos 1h1 hour ago
#scriptchat i once heard theme defined as the wisdom of the story.
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 Sarah Newman @SarahAlexis4 1h1 hour ago
@jeannevb Only because you and the other treefort folks give us this opportunity to ask questions! :) #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@DoctorOddity I like the idea of logline as a samurai sword: the movie refined to the sharpest, most elegant, effective form #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
Great LL is hero, flaw, conflict, stakes and IMPLIES theme, #scriptchat
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 LindaScarlett @ZotBakingCo 1h1 hour ago
@blueneumann @ZotBakingCo @jeannevb @BigBigIdeas It helps me think. : ) #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 1h1 hour ago
@DoctorOddity a good logline shows a lot more than just genre. It's about character, conflict & what they have to overcome #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@ZotBakingCo @jeannevb @BigBigIdeas Interesting, I haven't heard 8 acts before #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas That should very cool. Whatever helps you visualize! #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 1h1 hour ago
Logine is more for genre than Theme #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
I make students refine the header until they really know their story. Then move to big plot points, major plot points. #scriptchat
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 LindaScarlett @ZotBakingCo 1h1 hour ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas I have a six foot white board in my office. I have it broken into 8 acts with my theme across the top. #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 1h1 hour ago
@SarahAlexis4 @CatOfDarkComedy Sarah is the question queen :) #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
Yes, @jeannevb, there is a logline there too! #scriptchat
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 Sarah Newman @SarahAlexis4 1h1 hour ago
@CatOfDarkComedy Thank you :) #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
I do subscribe tot he theory that we hear the theme or the antithesis of it early in Act 1. We establish the heart of the story #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas a lot of people also stick a logline somewhere to always refer to #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
The headers is genre, tone, character, arc and theme. So you never lose site of them #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 1h1 hour ago
.@SarahAlexis4 @BigBigIdeas I really like this question. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
At the top is a header that will pop up no matter how many pages you add. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
My Big Ideas Seminar Students learn structure, watch structure then get a template to work on their new idea. #scriptchat
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 J Gideon Sarantinos @jgsarantinos 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas #scriptchat it should given that it should involve an interaction with the main char.
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 dody @dody_dodaaa 1h1 hour ago
#scriptchat how to keep surprises in script while we are writing?
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 Sarah Newman @SarahAlexis4 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas Q: After completing a 1st draft, how do you suggest mining for areas where theme & structure can be strengthened? #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 1h1 hour ago
What do you do when you 'pre-write,' @BigBigIdeas? What are some of the techniques you use? #scriptchat Thank you. :)
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
Wow - no one is going to go for my simple formula - tie it all together??? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
Sublot can also illuminate an aspect of the theme #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas So when it comes to structure, are you a beat-sheet fan? Writing a quick synopsis? Tips for staying focused? #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 1h1 hour ago
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Gotcha! ;-) #scriptchat
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Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas
If you are working on structure or outline and you're telling me the color of their shirt--you not seeing the big picture. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
Yes #jeannevb #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
YES - I say *pre-writing* all the time! #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas great to carry over themes into subplots too #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
If you are working on structure or outline and you're telling me the color of their shirt--you not seeing the big picture. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
I think structure is the big steal beams - the foundation. #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@rdlln @BigBigIdeas This. You need to spend time on the pre-writing! #scriptchat
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 J Gideon Sarantinos @jgsarantinos 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas #scriptchat but it's still the one theme. it's messy if ur exploring fear and forgiveness or love in the same film.
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 1h1 hour ago
Some people think I'm funny and enjoyable @blueneumann #scriptchat
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 R.D. @rdlln 1h1 hour ago
I figure out the moral premise early on in the prewriting stage @BigBigIdeas #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 1h1 hour ago
How technical & structured do you get when creating the bones of your story? Are you very detail oriented? #scriptchat @BigBigIdeas
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 J Gideon Sarantinos @jgsarantinos 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas #scriptchat it prob means you haven't nailed what ur story is about.
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
But it i still the same theme. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
Yes, variations. For instance in JAWS the three main characters echo different perspectives on the same theme: fear #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas there can be VARIATIONS on a theme, I think, but that's probably it. #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 1h1 hour ago
I love this. #scriptchat @BigBigIdeas
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@DoctorOddity Are you just going to be quoting that movie all night? #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 1h1 hour ago
"he says that we have to realize that we all write in a genre, and we must find our originality within that genre." #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
I think a script with multiple themes would be tricky to pull off successfully and less impactful if you did. #scriptchat
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 Tamawil @Tamawil 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas con't: that you enjoyed? #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas Theme informs how the work is structured and the structure is used to build the outline. Right? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
Theme should be meaningful to you. In my seminar, we figure out every writer's personal thematic, the message that drives them. #scriptchat
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 Sarah Newman @SarahAlexis4 1h1 hour ago
@DoctorOddity I love that quote from Adaptation. :) #scriptchat
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 Tamawil @Tamawil 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas Have you ever had a script with multiple themes? #scriptchat
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 Tamawil @Tamawil 1h1 hour ago
@Al_1701 Thank you! #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
OK want to see how all these pieces fit together? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
Think about your all time favorite movies. The reason you love them is bcs they speak to you, resonate with you, it's the theme #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@Al_1701 @AdrienneAiken I agree. Sometimes the whole season of a show will be structured (Game Of Thrones is a big example) #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
Theme should be specific. #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 1h1 hour ago
To begin... To begin... How to start? I'm hungry. I should get coffee. Coffee would help me think. #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 1h1 hour ago
For late arrivers, we're talking with @BIgBigIdeas (Barri Evins) about theme, outlining & structure. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
TV is different from film, formats have different requirements. But still beginning middle end #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 1h1 hour ago
How vague or specific should a story theme be in your experience? @BigBigIdeas #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@AdrienneAiken Netflix shows get a bit leisurely, but I like having things move along at a nice, even pace #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 1h1 hour ago
@blueneumann @AdrienneAiken I think it goes with peaks and valleys in the actions. #scriptchat
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 J Gideon Sarantinos @jgsarantinos 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas #scriptchat you'd be surprised. some writers think the theme will emerge during writing.
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 R.D. @rdlln 1h1 hour ago
@DoctorOddity outlining, structure #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 2h2 hours ago
Just a reminder, the easiest site to chat from is here: http://www.tchat.io/rooms/scriptchat … Auto-adds the hashtag. #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 2h2 hours ago
@AdrienneAiken I'm real curious how structure works (or tricks regarding it) in no-commercial-break works. #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 2h2 hours ago
Forget the "take". #scriptchat
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 Adrienne Aiken @AdrienneAiken 2h2 hours ago
Hi, so re TV series. I'm in the UK. So there's BBC (no ad breaks) & all else. What's the view on act structure + incl. teaser? #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 2h2 hours ago
@BigBigIdeas You can't take? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 2h2 hours ago
How can you outline when you don't know what you want to say? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 2h2 hours ago
YES #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 2h2 hours ago
What you know about the human condition and believe is important #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 2h2 hours ago
@bigbigideas in terms of process, do you consider your theme before starting the outline? #scriptchat
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 J Gideon Sarantinos @jgsarantinos 2h2 hours ago
hey y'all #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 2h2 hours ago
Yes, theme is the message, what you want to say, the universal appeal, what you the writer want to convey with your story. #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 2h2 hours ago
#theme is? #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 2h2 hours ago
Hey everyone! #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 2h2 hours ago
@BigBigIdeas Isn't the theme the overarching the idea of the work? #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 2h2 hours ago
@BigBigIdeas let’s get the ball rolling! #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 2h2 hours ago
Lions and tigers and bears! But in this case theme, structure and outlining are almost all one thing. #scriptchat
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 Dena Smith @dramseysmith14 2h2 hours ago
Hi everyone #scriptchat
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 Sarah Newman @SarahAlexis4 2h2 hours ago
@Tamawil Welcome! #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 2h2 hours ago
Theme, structure, and outline. Fun. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 2h2 hours ago
Warning: great talker. terrible typist! #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 2h2 hours ago
sweet app #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 2h2 hours ago
My FIRST TOO. #scriptchat
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 Tamawil @Tamawil 2h2 hours ago
Hello! My first #scriptchat. Hope everyone is well tonight.
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 2h2 hours ago
Thanks for joining us! Gotta question? #scriptchat
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 Sarah Newman @SarahAlexis4 2h2 hours ago
@BigBigIdeas Welcome! Thanks for joining us. #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 2h2 hours ago
@BigBigIdeas Hey #scriptchat
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 Sarah Newman @SarahAlexis4 2h2 hours ago
Time for #scriptchat with guest @BigBigIdeas talking theme, structure, outlining.
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 2h2 hours ago
Howdy script chatters! #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 2h2 hours ago
IT’S #SCRIPTCHAT O'CLOCK w/ @BigBigIdeas talking theme, structure, outlining. Chat here: http://www.tchat.io/rooms/scriptchat …
REMINDER: Next week, there's no chat due to Memorial Day.
 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 34m34 minutes ago
Last pice of advice - structure is right there at the end of your arm. stretch out your right arm, point fingers up: screenplay! #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 34m34 minutes ago
Thanks for joining us, everyone. Any future topic ideas, feel free to message me! Grabbing the transcript now... #scriptchat
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 J Gideon Sarantinos @jgsarantinos 34m34 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas @jeannevb #scriptchat tequila looks like water
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 34m34 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas @jeannevb you are so welcome back any time. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 35m35 minutes ago
@jeannevb @jgsarantinos @BigBigIdeas Traditions matter #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 35m35 minutes ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas SO flattered to be here. except for the spelling stress! thx of the good questions #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 35m35 minutes ago
Thank you all for the wonderful advice & your time chatting! #scriptchat @jeannevb @BigBigIdeas
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 35m35 minutes ago
Good night everybody. #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 35m35 minutes ago
@jgsarantinos tequila is the official drink :) @BigBigIdeas #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 35m35 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas many thanks for fielding our questions #scriptchat
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 Sarah Newman @SarahAlexis4 35m35 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas Thanks for being here. All the best with the book! #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 36m36 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas thanks so much for your perspectives and advice! #scriptchat
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 J Gideon Sarantinos @jgsarantinos 36m36 minutes ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas #scriptchat water I hope?
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 36m36 minutes ago
HBO Exec Chris Salvaterra dishes career/writing advice. #scriptchat #screenwriting http://www.scriptmag.com/features/hbo-chris-salvattera-business-of-screenwriting …

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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 36m36 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas If it wasn't for that, you'd get the book done in only one month! #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 36m36 minutes ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas Most of us. Never touch the stuff myself. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 36m36 minutes ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas Dang - you did not tell med that JVB. On my way to dinner and Hookah bar now! #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 37m37 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas this is why we drink while we chat. :) #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 37m37 minutes ago
wow that went fast - but given how clumsy a typist I am, I nearly broke a sweat. #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 37m37 minutes ago
NO #scriptchat next week. Happy Memorial Day!
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 Tamawil @Tamawil 38m38 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas @Tamawil thank you. sorry for the retweet. >_< #scriptchat
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 Tamawil @Tamawil 38m38 minutes ago
@bigbigideas Would practicing on short scripts help hone theme, structure, and outlining? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 38m38 minutes ago
@Tamawil @BigBigIdeas I think it could be a good way to build muscle. #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 38m38 minutes ago
Our #scriptchat topic/guest schedule is here: http://scriptchat.blogspot.com/p/chat-topic-schedule.html … #bookmarkit
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 Adrienne Aiken @AdrienneAiken 38m38 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas @blueneumann like query letters! Haha #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 38m38 minutes ago
@JLalliWriter yes essentially, pinch is a significant plot point that indicates shift in hero, arc, stakes, tone, escalation #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 39m39 minutes ago
@jgsarantinos I do that. I also do a lot of icons and so on for stuff like music, action, etc... #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 39m39 minutes ago
@Al_1701 Great set u pis lean, everything there for a reason. And theme is there too. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 40m40 minutes ago
@Al_1701 @blueneumann @jgsarantinos yes, inciting incident, torque in goal of hero, tonal shift - a escalation + higher stakes #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 40m40 minutes ago
Like Act 1 is introducing us to characters and setting, and then comes the main conflict to signal Act 2 starts. #scriptchat
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 J Gideon Sarantinos @jgsarantinos 40m40 minutes ago
@blueneumann #scriptchat u can also color code for each plot line.
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 Adrienne Aiken @AdrienneAiken 40m40 minutes ago
@blueneumann @BigBigIdeas yeah - but in my case, currently full 90 min #scriptchat
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 Joanne Lalli @JLalliWriter 40m40 minutes ago
Joanne Lalli Retweeted Barri Evins
Pinch = plot point? #scriptchat
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@blueneumann @jgsarantinos Act 1, Act 2: 1st pinch, midpoint, second pinch, Act 3 #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 41m41 minutes ago
@AdrienneAiken @BigBigIdeas @blueneumann synopses suck - good way for people to get out of reading your work but necessary evil #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 41m41 minutes ago
For all the TV I watch, you'd think I'd have figured this out by osmosis by now #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 41m41 minutes ago
@blueneumann @jgsarantinos I would think acts change when there has been a major shakeup in story what it's doing. #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 42m42 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas But what if I want to bust that myth? Let me Adam Savage that stuff. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 42m42 minutes ago
@blueneumann @jgsarantinos Act 1, Act 2: 1st pinch, midpoint, second pinch, Act 3 #scriptchat
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 Adrienne Aiken @AdrienneAiken 42m42 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas @blueneumann I agree, totally! But for example, some contests ask for short description of acts.. so have to define #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 43m43 minutes ago
@jgsarantinos Yeah, one per scene, thinking how to group them into acts, you know? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 43m43 minutes ago
@blueneumann great to lean what works well for you. Just many #s you learn online are myths. Like the 25 word LL> #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 43m43 minutes ago
I'd just like a framework to test, see if it works. The 70 works well for me w/ movies and 5-act structure #scriptchat
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 J Gideon Sarantinos @jgsarantinos 43m43 minutes ago
@blueneumann #scriptchat based on 1 per scene
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 Adrienne Aiken @AdrienneAiken 44m44 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas no, 90 min.... Some places say 5 acts for tv.... or 4 + teaser...#scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 44m44 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas @AdrienneAiken and you mean full 30 and 60, not 22 and 45 like in the states, right? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 44m44 minutes ago
@blueneumann I think it's what you need to get your story structured. Numbers can be arbitrary. #scriptchat
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 Chris Hadley @filmwritr4 44m44 minutes ago
@blueneumann I've never thought about that. #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 45m45 minutes ago
I'm actually curious how many index cards are needed for an hour-long (or half hour) show. I've heard 70 for features, though #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 45m45 minutes ago
@filmwritr4 @BigBigIdeas @jeannevb They can be convenient for spacing your peaks and valleys. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 45m45 minutes ago
@AdrienneAiken hour long? 1/2 hour? #scriptchat
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 Christopher Phillips @byChrisPhillips 45m45 minutes ago
@dramseysmith14 @byChrisPhillips @BigBigIdeas Not all are perfect, but you can learn a lot in a writing group #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 45m45 minutes ago
@AdrienneAiken Not familiar enough with specific but you still need a three act structure - it may be broken up into more pieces #scriptchat
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 Chris Hadley @filmwritr4 46m46 minutes ago
@Al_1701 @BigBigIdeas @jeannevb I know! :) #scriptchat
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 Adrienne Aiken @AdrienneAiken 46m46 minutes ago
OK, so re TV series. I'm in the UK. So there's BBC (no ad breaks) & all else. What's the view on act structure + incl. teaser? #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 46m46 minutes ago
@dramseysmith14 finding a #screenwriting group is great to keep you motivated, writing & improving @byChrisPhillips #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 47m47 minutes ago
@filmwritr4 @BigBigIdeas @jeannevb Prepare for commerical breaks. #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 47m47 minutes ago
@AdrienneAiken what's the Q? #scriptchat
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 Chris Hadley @filmwritr4 47m47 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas @jeannevb Thanks so much! Any tips on outlining for TV? #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 47m47 minutes ago
@AdrienneAiken feel free to ask again. It's easy to miss a question #scriptchat
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 Dena Smith @dramseysmith14 47m47 minutes ago
@byChrisPhillips @BigBigIdeas Taken a few classes and have read a ton of books and scripts, but no groups yet. #scriptchat
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 Adrienne Aiken @AdrienneAiken 48m48 minutes ago
I don't feel I really got an answer re my acts question (unless I missed it?) #scriptchat
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 Leslie @SoCalScriptShop 48m48 minutes ago
Here's what you won't learn at a $400 weekend seminar: there is no advice better than reading spec scripts. #scriptchat
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 Chris Hadley @filmwritr4 48m48 minutes ago
@AdrienneAiken Doing great. I had a wonderful time over the weekend at my sister's wedding. It was beautiful in every way. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 48m48 minutes ago
@filmwritr4 @jeannevb @BigBigIdeas Here's the deal - they are all interconnected - must all be there in successful story #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 48m48 minutes ago
Joooiiiiin us! #scriptchat
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 Chris Hadley @filmwritr4 49m49 minutes ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas Like, would you do one by character arc? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 49m49 minutes ago
@dramseysmith14 @BigBigIdeas June 10-12 in LA. Tiki Bar Seminar Info: http://bit.ly/1XxJoOz Pic: http://bit.ly/24yOiwK #scriptchat
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 LindaScarlett @ZotBakingCo 49m49 minutes ago
Thank you for all the great information tonight!!! : ) #scriptchat
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 Chris Hadley @filmwritr4 49m49 minutes ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas In terms of structuring an outline, would you suggest a trad beat outline or by character stories? #scriptchat
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 Adrienne Aiken @AdrienneAiken 49m49 minutes ago
@filmwritr4 *waves back* good thanks. You? #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 49m49 minutes ago
Where are you located? Where can I catch one of your seminars in person? #scriptchat @BigBigIdeas
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 50m50 minutes ago
15 more minutes with @BigBigIdeas. Tonight's topic: Theme, structure & outlining #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 50m50 minutes ago
so..theme.... #scriptchat
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 Dena Smith @dramseysmith14 50m50 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas I might be your new student then.  #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 50m50 minutes ago
@filmwritr4 @byChrisPhillips hey fellow Chris. You're late. #scriptchat
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 Christopher Phillips @byChrisPhillips 50m50 minutes ago
@dramseysmith14 @BigBigIdeas Have you looked for http://Meetup.com screenwriting groups in your area? #scriptchat
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 Chris Hadley @filmwritr4 51m51 minutes ago
@blueneumann @ByChrisPhillips Hey! *waves* How are you guys? #scriptchat
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 Chris Hadley @filmwritr4 51m51 minutes ago
@AdrienneAiken Hey Adrienne! *waves* How are you? #scriptchat
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 Adrienne Aiken @AdrienneAiken 51m51 minutes ago
HI @filmwritr4 #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 51m51 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas @dramseysmith14 @DoctorOddity @byChrisPhillips pros are smart, facile but willing to work hard, eager 4 feedback #scriptchat
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 Chris Hadley @filmwritr4 51m51 minutes ago
@jeannevb @DoctorOddity Thanks for having @BigBigIdeas on tonight's chat! I'll try to read the transcript myself. #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 51m51 minutes ago
Did the chat just die down or is it just me? #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 52m52 minutes ago
@DoctorOddity chat every Sunday@ 5pm PT for an hour. Been doing it since 2009. Transcripts are all here: http://scriptchat.com #scriptchat
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 Chris Hadley @filmwritr4 52m52 minutes ago
Hey guys, sorry I'm late. How's everyone? Great to see @BigBigIdeas here. Welcome! *waves* #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 53m53 minutes ago
Also i'm sorry for stumbling into this chat #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 53m53 minutes ago
@dramseysmith14 @BigBigIdeas Big Ideas seminar comes with 6 months of mentorship. i believe in mentorship feedback is essential #scriptchat
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 Dena Smith @dramseysmith14 54m54 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas I need a mentor.been figuring out a lot of stuff on my own. #scriptchat
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 Michael Herst @mherst1014 54m54 minutes ago
BEHIND THE LINES WITH @byDougRich: #Screenwriting Advice - Asked & Answered @scriptmag http://bit.ly/1UG1eP3 #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 54m54 minutes ago
@byChrisPhillips @DoctorOddity @BigBigIdeas Thanks for the link #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 55m55 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas @dramseysmith14 pros never have to thing about fundamentals - it's ingrained. also have great film vocabularies #scriptchat
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 Christopher Phillips @byChrisPhillips 55m55 minutes ago
@DoctorOddity @BigBigIdeas http://bigbigideas.com/my-story/ #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 55m55 minutes ago
@dramseysmith14 @BigBigIdeas I've been fortunate to work with Oscar nominees as well as newbies. #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 56m56 minutes ago
I apologize @BigbigIdeas but I don't know most of the content you have produced where can I watch it? #scriptchat
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 Sarah Newman @SarahAlexis4 56m56 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas Q: Thoughts on how to choose one's next project from a list of ideas, especially from your POV as a producer? #scriptchat
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 Dena Smith @dramseysmith14 56m56 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas Just want to know who you could recommend that comments on their process and is willing to be helpful. If anyone? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 57m57 minutes ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas I'm about starting on a single page with header on top then expanding. grasp the basics & use post its #scriptchat
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 Douglas Eboch @dougeboch 57m57 minutes ago
Do you have to live in LA to be a #screenwriter? I address the question in my latest blog post. http://letsschmooze.blogspot.com/2016/05/do-you-have-to-live-in-los-angeles.html?spref=tw … #scriptchat
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 Dena Smith @dramseysmith14 57m57 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas Which writers do you know that seem to have a smooth process for getting stories off the ground? #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 58m58 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas how about some outlining tips? Index cards, bulletin board, color-coding? How do you get writers organized? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 58m58 minutes ago
@CatOfDarkComedy @BigBigIdeas Thank you. Can't wait to get back to it. So much done already. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 59m59 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas @DoctorOddity concept > theme > character > arc > structure That's the big giveaway here for building stories #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 59m59 minutes ago
@BigBigIdeas Cool! Good luck on that! :) #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 60m60 minutes ago
@CatOfDarkComedy @BigBigIdeas Will be taking two months off this year to finish the book. Outline all done! #scriptchat
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 Chris Posen @ChrisPosen 1h1 hour ago
Don't just wish upon a star. Reach for it. #winning #writingprompts #writing #filmmaking #scriptchat #dreams #goals

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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas You just have to read the stuff so you want it to be good #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@DoctorOddity S'ok read all about me - I"m charming! #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas Very cool, I'll have to read that when it's released. Is it released? Thank you. :) #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@DoctorOddity @BigBigIdeas I am not a screenwriter. I am a producer who loves story and loves working with writers #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 1h1 hour ago
sorry for the questions #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
Also for any of you lurking in #scriptchat tonight... speak up! We don't bite! ...hard.
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 1h1 hour ago
@SoCalScriptShop Plot -> philosophy? How would you even do that? And why? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@DoctorOddity @BigBigIdeas http://bigbigideas.com/my-story/ #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 1h1 hour ago
has @bigbigideas written a script I could read? #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
I learned the value of structure in a college essay writing class. Why didn't they teach me that in HIGH SCHOOL!? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@DoctorOddity @BigBigIdeas http://gallery.mailchimp.com/ac0e341bea6fdf5a41177db37/files/Barri_Evins_credits_logos_3.13.pdf … #scriptchat
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 Leslie @SoCalScriptShop 1h1 hour ago
For anyone lurking on #scriptchat tonight--also beware of retrofitting a plot into a philosophy. Works in novels, not scripts.
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@CatOfDarkComedy @BigBigIdeas I am writing a book on story & used my structure template. Even outline my @scriptmag columns #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas Thank you :) #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas for us that dont know you #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 1h1 hour ago
@bigbigideas can you talk about what you've done #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@CatOfDarkComedy @BigBigIdeas I am a producer using what I have learned from eons in development and setting up projects. BUT #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 1h1 hour ago
Theme also helps make sure your beats connect with each other and how, right? #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 1h1 hour ago
How do structure your own personal outline before writing? #scriptchat @BigBigIdeas
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas those 5 beats are the spine of the story, arc of the character, illustration of how they change = theme #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 1h1 hour ago
.@BigBigIdeas has a great column on @scriptmag here: http://www.scriptmag.com/author/barrievins/ … Tons of insights & tips. #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@DoctorOddity Any of it helpful? #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 1h1 hour ago
so many people giving advice. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@blueneumann Bravo! #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas I'm looking for the 5 big beats and if they work #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
I've said it before, I took all my old ideas and stripped 'em down, discovered real interesting things about my process #scriptchat
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 Dena Smith @dramseysmith14 1h1 hour ago
@blueneumann @Al_1701 Don't know, because those aren't my kind of movies, but I can ask my son when he's done skating. #scriptchat #nmkom
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas there are times you can make a script "more better" but often you gotta go from the ground up #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas @SarahAlexis4 Ain't nothin' wrong with a system reboot! #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@jgsarantinos fits with the jaws example - fearful, fearless, respectful fear of the water #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas let's talk a bit about rewrites & how you tackle structure problems to get a script back on track #scriptchat
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 Hamish Dwyer @HamishD10 1h1 hour ago
#scriptchat Which would be good examples of memorable subplots?
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 J Gideon Sarantinos @jgsarantinos 1h1 hour ago
#scriptchat u can think of theme as a debate topic and each char explores it differently.
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@SarahAlexis4 @BigBigIdeas big one. I say strip it down to the bare bones. then start from the ground up #scriptchat
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 Christopher Phillips @byChrisPhillips 1h1 hour ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas Yes. Subplots are often reflections of the main theme... #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@blueneumann I think that can work. It depends on if that thinking works for you #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@DoctorOddity @Al_1701 @dramseysmith14 "America is awesome. How awesome? THIS awesome!" #scriptchat
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 Sarah Newman @SarahAlexis4 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas Q: Thoughts on how to diagnose & remedy the problem(s) with a structure that just isn't working in a screenplay? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas re: Mr. Bay #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
BOOM! CUT CUT CUT BOOM! $$$ #scriptchat
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 Adrienne Aiken @AdrienneAiken 1h1 hour ago
@blueneumann: @jeannevb @BigBigIdeas @jgsarantinos The neverending burden of creative impulse. #scriptchat Quite! As in 1.25am for starters!
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
Any thought to the idea that creativity is problem solving, so the theme could be a question? #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 1h1 hour ago
@blueneumann @dramseysmith14 Military worship, hot chicks, explosions, juvenile behavior, and inappropriate behavior. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@dramseysmith14 look at the work of great writers & big movie stars who can choose their project & you often see recurring theme #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 1h1 hour ago
@blueneumann @Al_1701 @dramseysmith14 Adventure! #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@Al_1701 @dramseysmith14 What would you say Michael Bay's theme is? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@blueneumann @jeannevb @BigBigIdeas @jgsarantinos Creative impulse great. But it needs to channeled to construct a screenplay #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 1h1 hour ago
@dramseysmith14 Seems to work for Michael Bay. #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@dramseysmith14 I'm worried it's hard not to do that. #scriptchat
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 Dena Smith @dramseysmith14 1h1 hour ago
I've always thought you could make a career out of proving the same theme, over and over again, just dress it up differently. #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas @jgsarantinos The neverending burden of creative impulse. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas @jgsarantinos and if you do... please move out of the house and stop mooching off me! #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas @jgsarantinos A big piece of life advice JVB #scriptchat
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 J Gideon Sarantinos @jgsarantinos 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas #scriptchat know your truth.
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@SarahAlexis4 @BigBigIdeas People jumping in before ready. Unfocused stories. Stories that don't have the essential elements #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas @jgsarantinos Me to kids: "Don't be a writer. And if you do, god help you." :) #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 1h1 hour ago
some Loglines-genre nets: spectre of dead child rapist haunts the children of parents who murdered him, killing in their dreams. #scriptchat
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 Adrienne Aiken @AdrienneAiken 1h1 hour ago
@CatOfDarkComedy @BigBigIdeas I would. Creative = Creator. I create my world (s) #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@jgsarantinos To students w/kids: if you were never going to see them again & give only 1 piece of advice what would you say? #scriptchat
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 Sarah Newman @SarahAlexis4 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas Q: In what ways/what "missteps" do you most often see muddle the theme and/or structure along the writing process? #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas @DoctorOddity thanks! it came to me after one of these #scriptchat sessions, actually!
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@jgsarantinos I like that. But it has to be wisdom you believe in. #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 1h1 hour ago
Would you consider writing a story like creating a universe all your own? @BigBigIdeas #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 1h1 hour ago
@SarahAlexis4 you are definitely a fellow #treeforter #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@blueneumann @DoctorOddity nice metaphor. a little *egdy* #scriptchat
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 J Gideon Sarantinos @jgsarantinos 1h1 hour ago
#scriptchat i once heard theme defined as the wisdom of the story.
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 Sarah Newman @SarahAlexis4 1h1 hour ago
@jeannevb Only because you and the other treefort folks give us this opportunity to ask questions! :) #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@DoctorOddity I like the idea of logline as a samurai sword: the movie refined to the sharpest, most elegant, effective form #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
Great LL is hero, flaw, conflict, stakes and IMPLIES theme, #scriptchat
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 LindaScarlett @ZotBakingCo 1h1 hour ago
@blueneumann @ZotBakingCo @jeannevb @BigBigIdeas It helps me think. : ) #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 1h1 hour ago
@DoctorOddity a good logline shows a lot more than just genre. It's about character, conflict & what they have to overcome #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@ZotBakingCo @jeannevb @BigBigIdeas Interesting, I haven't heard 8 acts before #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas That should very cool. Whatever helps you visualize! #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 1h1 hour ago
Logine is more for genre than Theme #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
I make students refine the header until they really know their story. Then move to big plot points, major plot points. #scriptchat
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 LindaScarlett @ZotBakingCo 1h1 hour ago
@jeannevb @BigBigIdeas I have a six foot white board in my office. I have it broken into 8 acts with my theme across the top. #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 1h1 hour ago
@SarahAlexis4 @CatOfDarkComedy Sarah is the question queen :) #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
Yes, @jeannevb, there is a logline there too! #scriptchat
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 Sarah Newman @SarahAlexis4 1h1 hour ago
@CatOfDarkComedy Thank you :) #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
I do subscribe tot he theory that we hear the theme or the antithesis of it early in Act 1. We establish the heart of the story #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas a lot of people also stick a logline somewhere to always refer to #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
The headers is genre, tone, character, arc and theme. So you never lose site of them #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 1h1 hour ago
.@SarahAlexis4 @BigBigIdeas I really like this question. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
At the top is a header that will pop up no matter how many pages you add. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
My Big Ideas Seminar Students learn structure, watch structure then get a template to work on their new idea. #scriptchat
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 J Gideon Sarantinos @jgsarantinos 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas #scriptchat it should given that it should involve an interaction with the main char.
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 dody @dody_dodaaa 1h1 hour ago
#scriptchat how to keep surprises in script while we are writing?
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 Sarah Newman @SarahAlexis4 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas Q: After completing a 1st draft, how do you suggest mining for areas where theme & structure can be strengthened? #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 1h1 hour ago
What do you do when you 'pre-write,' @BigBigIdeas? What are some of the techniques you use? #scriptchat Thank you. :)
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
Wow - no one is going to go for my simple formula - tie it all together??? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
Sublot can also illuminate an aspect of the theme #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas So when it comes to structure, are you a beat-sheet fan? Writing a quick synopsis? Tips for staying focused? #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 1h1 hour ago
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Gotcha! ;-) #scriptchat
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Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas
If you are working on structure or outline and you're telling me the color of their shirt--you not seeing the big picture. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
Yes #jeannevb #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
YES - I say *pre-writing* all the time! #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas great to carry over themes into subplots too #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
If you are working on structure or outline and you're telling me the color of their shirt--you not seeing the big picture. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
I think structure is the big steal beams - the foundation. #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@rdlln @BigBigIdeas This. You need to spend time on the pre-writing! #scriptchat
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 J Gideon Sarantinos @jgsarantinos 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas #scriptchat but it's still the one theme. it's messy if ur exploring fear and forgiveness or love in the same film.
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 1h1 hour ago
Some people think I'm funny and enjoyable @blueneumann #scriptchat
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 R.D. @rdlln 1h1 hour ago
I figure out the moral premise early on in the prewriting stage @BigBigIdeas #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 1h1 hour ago
How technical & structured do you get when creating the bones of your story? Are you very detail oriented? #scriptchat @BigBigIdeas
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 J Gideon Sarantinos @jgsarantinos 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas #scriptchat it prob means you haven't nailed what ur story is about.
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
But it i still the same theme. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
Yes, variations. For instance in JAWS the three main characters echo different perspectives on the same theme: fear #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas there can be VARIATIONS on a theme, I think, but that's probably it. #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 1h1 hour ago
I love this. #scriptchat @BigBigIdeas
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@DoctorOddity Are you just going to be quoting that movie all night? #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 1h1 hour ago
"he says that we have to realize that we all write in a genre, and we must find our originality within that genre." #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
I think a script with multiple themes would be tricky to pull off successfully and less impactful if you did. #scriptchat
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 Tamawil @Tamawil 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas con't: that you enjoyed? #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas Theme informs how the work is structured and the structure is used to build the outline. Right? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
Theme should be meaningful to you. In my seminar, we figure out every writer's personal thematic, the message that drives them. #scriptchat
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 Sarah Newman @SarahAlexis4 1h1 hour ago
@DoctorOddity I love that quote from Adaptation. :) #scriptchat
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 Tamawil @Tamawil 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas Have you ever had a script with multiple themes? #scriptchat
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 Tamawil @Tamawil 1h1 hour ago
@Al_1701 Thank you! #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
OK want to see how all these pieces fit together? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
Think about your all time favorite movies. The reason you love them is bcs they speak to you, resonate with you, it's the theme #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@Al_1701 @AdrienneAiken I agree. Sometimes the whole season of a show will be structured (Game Of Thrones is a big example) #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
Theme should be specific. #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 1h1 hour ago
To begin... To begin... How to start? I'm hungry. I should get coffee. Coffee would help me think. #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 1h1 hour ago
For late arrivers, we're talking with @BIgBigIdeas (Barri Evins) about theme, outlining & structure. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 1h1 hour ago
TV is different from film, formats have different requirements. But still beginning middle end #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 1h1 hour ago
How vague or specific should a story theme be in your experience? @BigBigIdeas #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 1h1 hour ago
@AdrienneAiken Netflix shows get a bit leisurely, but I like having things move along at a nice, even pace #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 1h1 hour ago
@blueneumann @AdrienneAiken I think it goes with peaks and valleys in the actions. #scriptchat
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 J Gideon Sarantinos @jgsarantinos 1h1 hour ago
@BigBigIdeas #scriptchat you'd be surprised. some writers think the theme will emerge during writing.
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 R.D. @rdlln 1h1 hour ago
@DoctorOddity outlining, structure #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 2h2 hours ago
Just a reminder, the easiest site to chat from is here: http://www.tchat.io/rooms/scriptchat … Auto-adds the hashtag. #scriptchat
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 Chris Neumann @blueneumann 2h2 hours ago
@AdrienneAiken I'm real curious how structure works (or tricks regarding it) in no-commercial-break works. #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 2h2 hours ago
Forget the "take". #scriptchat
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 Adrienne Aiken @AdrienneAiken 2h2 hours ago
Hi, so re TV series. I'm in the UK. So there's BBC (no ad breaks) & all else. What's the view on act structure + incl. teaser? #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 2h2 hours ago
@BigBigIdeas You can't take? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 2h2 hours ago
How can you outline when you don't know what you want to say? #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 2h2 hours ago
YES #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 2h2 hours ago
What you know about the human condition and believe is important #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 2h2 hours ago
@bigbigideas in terms of process, do you consider your theme before starting the outline? #scriptchat
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 J Gideon Sarantinos @jgsarantinos 2h2 hours ago
hey y'all #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 2h2 hours ago
Yes, theme is the message, what you want to say, the universal appeal, what you the writer want to convey with your story. #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 2h2 hours ago
#theme is? #scriptchat
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 Elena @CatOfDarkComedy 2h2 hours ago
Hey everyone! #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 2h2 hours ago
@BigBigIdeas Isn't the theme the overarching the idea of the work? #scriptchat
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 Jeanne V Bowerman @jeannevb 2h2 hours ago
@BigBigIdeas let’s get the ball rolling! #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 2h2 hours ago
Lions and tigers and bears! But in this case theme, structure and outlining are almost all one thing. #scriptchat
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 Dena Smith @dramseysmith14 2h2 hours ago
Hi everyone #scriptchat
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 Sarah Newman @SarahAlexis4 2h2 hours ago
@Tamawil Welcome! #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 2h2 hours ago
Theme, structure, and outline. Fun. #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 2h2 hours ago
Warning: great talker. terrible typist! #scriptchat
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 Doctor Oddity @DoctorOddity 2h2 hours ago
sweet app #scriptchat
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 2h2 hours ago
My FIRST TOO. #scriptchat
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 Tamawil @Tamawil 2h2 hours ago
Hello! My first #scriptchat. Hope everyone is well tonight.
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 2h2 hours ago
Thanks for joining us! Gotta question? #scriptchat
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 Sarah Newman @SarahAlexis4 2h2 hours ago
@BigBigIdeas Welcome! Thanks for joining us. #scriptchat
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 David A. Youngquist @Al_1701 2h2 hours ago
@BigBigIdeas Hey #scriptchat
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 Sarah Newman @SarahAlexis4 2h2 hours ago
Time for #scriptchat with guest @BigBigIdeas talking theme, structure, outlining.
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 Barri Evins @BigBigIdeas 2h2 hours ago
Howdy script chatters! #scriptchat
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IT’S #SCRIPTCHAT O'CLOCK w/ @BigBigIdeas talking theme, structure, outlining. Chat here: http://www.tchat.io/rooms/scriptchat …
Sunday, October 25, 2015
Jungle Software #Scriptchat Transcript October 25, 2015
Jungle Software @junglesoftware was our guest tonight, giving great tips and advice on all their vast array of software for screenwriters and filmmakers.
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Use the code "scriptchat" on Jungle Software site to get discounts!
Read the transcript below or on Storify site.
Sunday, September 12, 2010
Character Development and Plot Transcript September 13, 2010
#Scriptchat TOPIC: How character development and choices affects plot
One of the great benefits of getting a group of writers together is hearing the varying opinions on craft. There was indeed no shortage tonight. Read on to learn the global view and strategies of how to use both plot and characters to drive your story forward. @jeannevb
EURO moderator: Mina Zaher, @DreamsGrafter
USA moderator: Jeanne Veillette Bowerman, @jeannevb
EURO CHAT:
7:00 pm DreamsGrafter: #SCRIPTCHAT O'CLOCK!
7:01 pm DreamsGrafter: Tonight we're talking about how character development & choices affects plot. Everyone welcome! Feel free to jump in ... :) #scriptchat
7:02 pm DreamsGrafter: Haha, I was enjoying catching up w/ tweeps I almost forgot the time. ;) #scriptchat
7:03 pm davidpbaker: RT @DreamsGrafter: Tonight we're talking about how character development & choices affects plot. Everyone welcome! Feel free to jump in ... :) #scriptchat
7:04 pm maidenmatt: @DreamsGrafter I suppose character development is what defines the direction of your plot decisions even the basics like gender. #scriptchat
7:05 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @maidenmatt: @DreamsGrafter I suppose character development is what defines the direction of your plot decisions even the basics like gender. #scriptchat
7:06 pm DreamsGrafter: @maidenmatt Absolutely. Character is story. #scriptchat
7:06 pm CuttingRoomMRB: @jeannevb Hope you caught the beginning of the show with @entrancetohell. Gave #scriptchat a heavy plug. http://bit.ly/biFm0B
7:06 pm DreamsGrafter: @maidenmatt Though have you ever written something that was so plotty, the characters didn't ring true. #scriptchat - I have. ;s
7:06 pm maidenmatt: Eg. Would you kill off a female character in as graphic detail as a male character? #scriptchat
7:07 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @maidenmatt: Eg. Would you kill off a female character in as graphic detail as a male character? #scriptchat
7:07 pm rpg3000: RT @DreamsGrafter: Tonight we're talking about how character development & choices affects plot. Everyone welcome! Feel free to jump in ... :) #scriptchat
7:08 pm DreamsGrafter: @maidenmatt That's a really good point. Same w/ jokes about rape (I know it's not plot) but there is fine line w/ gender. #scriptchat
7:08 pm rpg3000: Hey #scriptchat. I reckon character and plot are best treated as one and inseparable. That's when great drama really works.
7:09 pm DreamsGrafter: #SCRIPTCHAT: Talking about how character development & choices affects plot. Everyone welcome! Feel free to jump in ... :) #scriptchat
7:09 pm SharkGoddess: @CuttingRoomMRB Thank you! I just started in this biz & it's help me quite a bit! #ScriptChat has also given me a web of support too! Love!
7:10 pm maidenmatt: @DreamsGrafter I've written pieces where I've tried to take a general perception of a character in a new direction and failed. #scriptchat
7:10 pm DreamsGrafter: @rpg3000 As a starting point, which do you look at first? #scriptchat
7:11 pm DreamsGrafter: @maidenmatt Audience expectation is a powerful thing i.e. genres. But what about SALT -That was originally written 4 Tom Cruise. #scriptchat
7:11 pm LisaFromNYC: I think u have to consider a char flaws to plot his/her growth. ex: a selfish char could end in a sacrifice of some sort. #ScriptChat
7:11 pm john_hunter: #Scriptchat Where do you start? Character or plot?
7:12 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @LisaFromNYC: I think u have to consider a char flaws to plot his/her growth. ex: a selfish char could end in a sacrifice of some sort. #ScriptChat
7:12 pm rpg3000: @DreamsGrafter In an ideal world, character first. Works best when everything comes from there. Always exceptions of course. #scriptchat
7:12 pm maidenmatt: Start w/ the Protagonist and develop his/her story RT @DreamsGrafter: @rpg3000 As a starting point, which do you look at first? #scriptchat
7:12 pm DreamsGrafter: @john_hunter John! You've made it. :)) #scriptchat Welcome. x
7:12 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @john_hunter: #Scriptchat Where do you start? Character or plot?
7:13 pm rpg3000: Think it was John York I first heard say: "characters are what they do, not what they say..." #scriptchat
7:13 pm DreamsGrafter: Where do you start? RT @john_hunter: #Scriptchat Where do you start? Character or plot?
7:13 pm rpg3000: Then I like to add: "...and what characters do is the plot." Makes it seem so simple. #scriptchat
7:14 pm mmilam44: I think characters and knowing their path is key to the story in some ways. #scriptchat It's an issue i'm battling with.
7:14 pm john_hunter: I guess I'll get idea about plot/setting/genre - ie. It's an action movie with a city under siege from sentient lamp posts etc #scriptchat
7:14 pm LisaFromNYC: @DreamsGrafter U have a plot defined, but for me the character chosen would dictate the decisions/direction. #ScriptChat
7:14 pm DreamsGrafter: @rpg3000 I start w/ chars but a few times w/ feedbk, it's abt fixing the plot. Then I focus on the plot then it becomes plotty. #scriptchat
7:15 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @mmilam44: I think characters and knowing their path is key to the story in some ways. #scriptchat It's an issue i'm battling with.
7:15 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @LisaFromNYC: @DreamsGrafter U have a plot defined, but for me the character chosen would dictate the decisions/direction. #ScriptChat
7:15 pm LisaFromNYC: If u dictate primarily on plot. Then your character may make decisions that contradict who they are, then it feels forced #ScriptChat
7:16 pm john_hunter: THEN I'll work out who character to defeat lamp posts is + shape of plot happens by working out character's story. Or something #scriptchat
7:16 pm janetvaneeden: #scriptchat Must be honest I find an appealing character is almost always the place start. If I don't love my character, I'm not drawn in
7:16 pm DreamsGrafter: @john_hunter So where does your character come from and how does the film become his or her story? #scriptchat
7:16 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @rpg3000: Think it was John York I first heard say: "characters are what they do, not what they say..." #scriptchat
7:16 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @rpg3000: Then I like to add: "...and what characters do is the plot." Makes it seem so simple. #scriptchat
7:16 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @maidenmatt: Start w/ the Protagonist and develop his/her story RT @DreamsGrafter: @rpg3000 As a starting point, which do you look at first? #scriptchat
7:17 pm chained: RT @DreamsGrafter: #SCRIPTCHAT: Talking about how character development & choices affects plot. Everyone welcome! Feel free to jump in ... :) #scriptchat
7:17 pm DreamsGrafter: @LisaFromNYC I love the character's flaws ... means s/he has potential for growth - and that's the story. #scriptchat
7:18 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @LisaFromNYC: If u dictate primarily on plot. Then your character may make decisions that contradict who they are, then it feels forced #ScriptChat
7:18 pm sweettweenie: hello everyone, just lurking tonight :-) #scriptchat
7:18 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @janetvaneeden: #scriptchat Must be honest I find an appealing character is almost always the place start. If I don't love my character, I'm not drawn in
7:18 pm maidenmatt: Must admit when writing at College I would often create an abnormal environment and then try to find normal people to put in it. #scriptchat
7:18 pm rpg3000: @DreamsGrafter Yeah, I think genre can influence how difficult/easy this can be. But never "easy"! #scriptchat
7:19 pm DreamsGrafter: @janetvaneeden That's a good point - and if you don't love your character who else will? #scriptchat
7:19 pm maidenmatt: That was a few years ago now though! ;-) #scriptchat
7:19 pm LisaFromNYC: @DreamsGrafter I agree. Flaws are the biggest thing for me. Makes a more compelling char. #ScriptChat
7:20 pm janetvaneeden: @DreamsGrafter #scriptchat Character is the place I start. Almost always. If chars intrigue me, they're more likely to intrigue others.
7:21 pm DreamsGrafter: @sweettweenie Hey there ... :) #scriptchat
7:21 pm DreamsGrafter: @sweettweenie Hey there ... :) #scriptchat
7:21 pm CuttingRoomMRB: @scriptchat Did just that. Check out the replay - plug for #scriptchat was the first order of business today. http://bit.ly/aT4LZN
7:21 pm john_hunter: Once you have genre/vague premise sorted, I was taught nice character exercise: Make them the MOST *something* ever #scriptchat
7:21 pm chained: #scriptchat there are 6billion people alive that's enough characters to help u but please no more #CIA or assassins it's been done too much
7:21 pm TaroJ: #scriptchat I find it hard to separate . Plot comes first but how it develops depends on the characters but I often get stuck
7:21 pm janetvaneeden: @DreamsGrafter #scriptchat Yes, & then the char must have a need to make a journey. Plot springs out of the chars journey & int/ext needs.
7:21 pm LisaFromNYC: RT @janetvaneeden: @DreamsGrafter #scriptchat Character is the place I start. Almost always. If chars intrigue me, they're more likely to intrigue others.
7:22 pm scriptchat: RT @CuttingRoomMRB: @scriptchat Did just that. Check out the replay - plug for #scriptchat was the first order of business today. http://bit.ly/aT4LZN
7:22 pm jeannevb: RT @CuttingRoomMRB: @scriptchat Did just that. Check out the replay - plug for #scriptchat was the first order of business today. http://bit.ly/aT4LZN
7:23 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @janetvaneeden: @DreamsGrafter #scriptchat Yes, & then the char must have a need to make a journey. Plot springs out of the chars journey & int/ext needs.
7:23 pm DreamsGrafter: @janetvaneeden My very favourite point in a script is the midpoint - when the want/need are in direct conflict w/ each other. #scriptchat
7:24 pm DreamsGrafter: @TaroJ Get stuck how? #scriptchat
7:24 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @john_hunter: Once you have genre/vague premise sorted, I was taught nice character exercise: Make them the MOST *something* ever #scriptchat
7:25 pm john_hunter: If you make your character the MOST *something* (racist, agoraphobic, oppressed etc) then your plot is them becoming opposite #scriptchat
7:25 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat sorry to pimp and run, but I use character development spread sheets. I wrote about it here http://tinyurl.com/ylhp2ry
7:25 pm DreamsGrafter: @john_hunter Great advice. I just thought, make them the nicest person ever & instantly thought of the possible conflicts. #scriptchat
7:26 pm jeannevb: I'm TAKING THE PLUNGE! @ScreenwritingU's Pro Series is my nxt challenge. Who has guts to join me? http://bit.ly/90pjuF #scriptchat
7:26 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat. i don't normally do that, but I'm pressed for time tonight
7:26 pm scriptchat: RT @jeannevb: I'm TAKING THE PLUNGE! @ScreenwritingU's Pro Series is my nxt challenge. Who has guts to join me? http://bit.ly/90pjuF #scriptchat
7:27 pm TaroJ: #scriptchat stuck as in a lot of unfinished ideas and scripts. Just need to get my head down stop tinkering and start finishing
7:27 pm janetvaneeden: @DreamsGrafter #scriptchat Good point re midpoint. Yes. :)
7:27 pm janetvaneeden: RT @DreamsGrafter: @janetvaneeden My very favourite point in a script is the midpoint - when the want/need are in direct conflict w/ each other. #scriptchat
7:27 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @john_hunter: I guess I'll get idea about plot/setting/genre - ie. It's an action movie with a city under siege from sentient lamp posts etc #scriptchat
7:27 pm john_hunter: @DreamsGrafter That's a really nice point on liking the mid-point! (Usually I'm too annoyed with script by then ;-) #scriptchat
7:28 pm DreamsGrafter: @mmilam44 How's the battling going? How's your character doing? #scriptchat
7:28 pm RaidPoint: @johnhunter but plot of the becoming the opposite is the "most obvious" direction to go. which is what we try to avoid #scriptchat
7:29 pm DreamsGrafter: @john_hunter Midpoint's my fave point but that's when the shit really hits the fan ... the need - the inner self takes over. #scriptchat
7:29 pm mmilam44: @DreamsGrafter Well, what I am writing is a dysfunctional romance script in my head. #scriptchat
7:29 pm RaidPoint: RT @john_hunter: @DreamsGrafter That's a really nice point on liking the mid-point! (Usually I'm too annoyed with script by then #scriptchat
7:30 pm mmilam44: @DreamsGrafter My main character the victim-prone nice guy whose good nature gets him used up. He doesn't really see his nature #scriptchat
7:30 pm mmilam44: @DreamsGrafter as being a negative, but he soon will see how far his good behavior will get him #scriptchat
7:30 pm rpg3000: @john_hunter I wonder if that works better for film and maybe not so much for TV. What do you think? #scriptchat
7:30 pm janetvaneeden: RT @DreamsGrafter: @john_hunter Midpoint's my fave point but that's when the shit really hits the fan ... the need - the inner self takes over. #scriptchat
7:31 pm john_hunter: @RaidPoint Sure, it's *obvious* but I'm talking about a start point for shaping your plot. Your protagonist overcoming something #scriptchat
7:31 pm janetvaneeden: RT @HayleyMckenzie1: West Yorkshire Playhouse is now accepting unsolicited scripts: http://bit.ly/dkSDTB #scriptchat #writing #theatre
7:31 pm john_hunter: @rpg3000 Yeah, I think that's definitely film in a broad sence #scriptchat
7:32 pm DreamsGrafter: @john_hunter I love sending my character to their lowest point. It's the first half of act 2 I struggle w/. #scriptchat *tht sounds evil* :s
7:32 pm CuttingRoomMRB: If you decide on the kinds of people you want to have in your story, the plot evolves from the personality types #scriptchat.
7:32 pm rpg3000: With TV, Breaking Bad a great example of char actions/choices being the whole story with no external plot device. #scriptchat
7:32 pm DreamsGrafter: @DomCarver Hi Dom, it's #scriptchat o'clock. We're talking characters and plotting. Feel free to join in. :)
7:32 pm rpg3000: And FlashForward great example of empty plot device with no interesting chars taking no action at all. #scriptchat
7:32 pm john_hunter: @rpg3000 With TV characters, I think it's best when aspect is introduced when defeated in episode but character core stays same #scriptchat
7:33 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @rpg3000: And FlashForward great example of empty plot device with no interesting chars taking no action at all. #scriptchat
7:33 pm RaidPoint: @john_hunter ok. not my usual route. but can get what u mean #scriptchat
7:33 pm john_hunter: @rpg3000 Crass example: We learn Mulder is scared of fire but overcomes pyrophobia in same episode. Quest for Truth continues #scriptchat
7:34 pm LisaFromNYC: @DreamsGrafter the 1st pt of act 2 is a beast for me. That's when the subplot has to kick in. Need conflict 2 create a bridge #ScriptChat
7:34 pm mmilam44: @rpg3000 @DreamsGrafter See, I didn't get into Flash Forward. I just thought by the premise, so what? #scriptchat
7:34 pm john_hunter: @RaidPoint Obviously, I'm just telling you what *I*do...not *the* way to do it!! :-) #scriptchat
7:34 pm DreamsGrafter: @mmilam44 Does he have a strong goal? Right now, it sounds quite internal - *am wondering how his character affects plot* #scriptchat
7:34 pm mmilam44: What I'm afraid more than not being original, is not being interesting. #scriptchat
7:35 pm LisaFromNYC: RT @rpg3000: With TV, Breaking Bad a great example of char actions/choices being the whole story with no external plot device. #scriptchat
7:35 pm KrisTheScript: @john_hunter Blake Synder has a good theory about that being the journey and lesson learnt. Worth reading. #scriptchat
7:35 pm maidenmatt: I enjoy creating a normal character in a normal World and then throwing him into a unique scenario. E.g. War of the Worlds. #scriptchat
7:35 pm janetvaneeden: @dreamsgrafter #scriptchat Not getting updates here Mina. Think twitter over capacity so checking out now. Sorry. Good to say hello though
7:35 pm mmilam44: @DreamsGrafter See the goal for me was for him to have some strength in life. Breaking this relationship is one of them #scriptchat
7:35 pm LisaFromNYC: yep. boring is bad RT @mmilam44: What Im afraid more than not being original, is not being interesting. #ScriptChat
7:35 pm TaroJ: RT @mmilam44: What I'm afraid more than not being original, is not being interesting. #scriptchat
7:36 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @LisaFromNYC: @DreamsGrafter the 1st pt of act 2 is a beast for me. That's when the subplot has to kick in. Need conflict 2 create a bridge #ScriptChat
7:36 pm rpg3000: @mmilam44 Exactly. Thought it was poorly executed myself. High concept but lacking any solid characters to explore it. #scriptchat
7:36 pm mmilam44: @DreamsGrafter My whole point of this story is that sometimes a person can get lost in a relationship #scriptchat
7:36 pm DreamsGrafter: @LisaFromNYC That's a really good point about the subplot. Though sometimes, I've had subplots take over. #scriptchat
7:36 pm RaidPoint: @mmilam44 originality is nice but interesting is paramount. so good fear to have :)! nothing worse than a boring original story #scriptchat
7:36 pm DreamsGrafter: @LisaFromNYC How do you make sure the protagonist stays in the limelight and is still more interesting? #scriptchat
7:37 pm john_hunter: @KrisTheScript Ive read 2 of his books. Don't agree with everything but agree that character journey = plot pretty much #scriptchat
7:37 pm DreamsGrafter: @mmilam44 But doesn't a character have to be doing something. #scriptchat
7:38 pm DreamsGrafter: @mmilam44 If he has a goal then he'll have obstacles, conflict and then he'll grow because he learns something about himself. #scriptchat
7:38 pm john_hunter: RT @rpg3000: With TV, Breaking Bad a great example of char actions/choices being the whole story with no external plot device. #scriptchat
7:38 pm john_hunter: RT @rpg3000: And FlashForward great example of empty plot device with no interesting chars taking no action at all. #scriptchat
7:38 pm mmilam44: @DreamsGrafter yeah and that's my problem. I really should get into the first draft of it before I start panicking. #scriptchat.
7:38 pm timstubinski: I can find character development challenging because as in real life, we always don't come out of situations wiser #scriptchat
7:38 pm DreamsGrafter: @mmilam44 *just trying to provoke thought* ;) #scriptchat
7:40 pm LisaFromNYC: @DreamsGrafter I create a subplot char who conflicts with pro or brings out pros flaws etc. Sub char is designed to affect. hard #ScriptChat
7:40 pm KageyNYC: Crazy Sunday but lurking at Euro #scriptchat (hi!). @DreamsGrafter always throws one helluva chat. Will be free & clear for US chat tonight.
7:40 pm john_hunter: @rpg3000 Breaking Bad is great example. Plot/premise doesn't change but he crosses new moral boundaries/hang-ups every few eps #scriptchat
7:41 pm john_hunter: Breaking Bad is great example. Plot/premise doesn't change but Walter crosses new moral boundaries/hang-ups every few eps #scriptchat
7:41 pm JLichtenberg: RT @KageyNYC: Crazy Sunday but lurking at Euro #scriptchat (hi!). @DreamsGrafter always throws one helluva chat. Will be free & clear for US chat tonight.
7:41 pm LisaFromNYC: @john_hunter Breaking Bad has gr8 conflicting pros (white/jesse). So their subplots are intriguing. #ScriptChat
7:42 pm DreamsGrafter: @filmutopia I was thinking about yr spreadsheets. I was thinking Clive loves character/plotting. Hope yr having a gd night! x #scriptchat
7:42 pm john_hunter: @DreamsGrafter I think I struggle with all of it :-D #scriptchat
7:43 pm DreamsGrafter: Kim's part of the #scriptchat #treefort guys! xoxo RT @KageyNYC: Crazy Sunday but lurking at Euro #scriptchat (hi!).
7:43 pm rpg3000: @john_hunter Yeah, long-term character growth at its best. From Mr Chips to Scarface! #scriptchat
7:43 pm JLichtenberg: RT @DreamsGrafter: Kim's part of the #scriptchat #treefort guys! xoxo RT @KageyNYC: Crazy Sunday but lurking at Euro #scriptchat (hi!).
7:43 pm DreamsGrafter: @KageyNYC Thanks for dropping and saying hi! Enjoy tonight. :) xo #scriptchat
7:43 pm mmilam44: I think it's time to write. Get this idea out of my head and into a document. Later #scriptchat
7:44 pm DreamsGrafter: @john_hunter I've just finished Season 1 of #BreakingBad - really looking for to Season 2. Was gutted it was only 7 eps. #scriptchat
7:45 pm DreamsGrafter: @mmilam44 Good luck! *chucks over more inspiration* ;) #scriptchat
7:45 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @rpg3000: @john_hunter Yeah, long-term character growth at its best. From Mr Chips to Scarface! #scriptchat
7:45 pm john_hunter: @LisaFromNYC Absolutely. And Walter becomes catalyst for other characters too. Just saw brill scene between just Skyler+Hank #scriptchat
7:46 pm DreamsGrafter: @timstubinski A newbie to Euro #scriptchat. Welcome! :)
7:46 pm john_hunter: @DreamsGrafter Started 1st disc of series 2 last night. Thank you, lovefilm! #scriptchat
7:46 pm DreamsGrafter: @timstubinski Don't they say that in drama, if the character doesn't learn then it's a tragedy. *no catharthis* #scriptchat
7:47 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @LisaFromNYC: @DreamsGrafter I create a subplot char who conflicts with pro or brings out pros flaws etc. Sub char is designed to affect. hard #ScriptChat
7:47 pm timstubinski: @DreamsGrafter Thanks kindly, I am Canadian but love hearing and sharing perspective with everyone #scriptchat
7:47 pm LisaFromNYC: @john_hunter It was nice to see Skyler getting some growth in S3. Conflicts heighten & she was more interesting #ScriptChat
7:47 pm RaidPoint: RT DreamsGrafter @timstubinski Don't they say that in drama, if the character doesn't learn then it's a tragedy. *no catharthis* #scriptchat
7:48 pm john_hunter: I think soaps can sometimes clearly be someone's idea for a plot stapled to a character (but so can all dramas I suppose) #scriptchat
7:48 pm JLichtenberg: RT @rpg3000: @john_hunter Yeah, long-term character growth at its best. From Mr Chips to Scarface! #scriptchat
7:48 pm rpg3000: @DreamsGrafter @john_hunter Will try not to spoil you! #scriptchat
7:49 pm john_hunter: I guess you come up with the story idea and then find your way INTO it with the character #scriptchat
7:50 pm rpg3000: Any other good examples of characters driving plot? What do we think about Mad Men? #scriptchat
7:50 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @filmutopia: #scriptchat sorry to pimp and run, but I use character development spread sheets. I wrote about it here http://tinyurl.com/ylhp2ry
7:50 pm john_hunter: If you're tackling a (eg) domestic violence story, I'd use same process whether my character was Pat Butcher or Superman #scriptchat
7:50 pm DreamsGrafter: #scriptchat RT @JLichtenberg: @john_hunter Ur right about "soaps" - poetry happens when plot is not "stapled" to a character
7:50 pm JLichtenberg: @john_hunter #scriptchat U never know what order bits of a composition will surface into consciousness. Mastery means handling all orders
7:51 pm DreamsGrafter: #scriptchat RT @JLichtenberg "Character's Journey" is the "plot" & "story" - ideally story (internal conflict) is mirror image of plot (ext)
7:51 pm JLichtenberg: RT @filmutopia: #scriptchat sorry to pimp and run, but I use character development spread sheets. I wrote about it here http://tinyurl.com/ylhp2ry
7:52 pm booksbelow: Good example! RT @rpg3000: Any other good examples of characters driving plot? What do we think about Mad Men? #scriptchat
7:52 pm timstubinski: @DreamsGrafter Valid point on catharsis. There has to be payoff/realization/epiphany one way or another. #scriptchat
7:53 pm DreamsGrafter: @mmilam44 If I were you, I'd rewrite a one pager. It'll help you see if he's got a strong goal/something to aim for. #scriptchat
7:53 pm bourbonroad: Claude Chabrol, R.I.P. http://bit.ly/bZKvUA #scriptchat #frenchfilm
7:53 pm DreamsGrafter: @JLichtenberg Thank you for joining in w/ #scriptchat! Always great to see you on here. :)
7:53 pm JLichtenberg: @booksbelow #scriptchat @booksbelow Sherlock Holmes was THE "character" who drove every plot to resolution 4 client
7:54 pm DreamsGrafter: @janetvaneeden Wishing you a good start to the week Janet. Thanks for dropping into #scriptchat! :)
7:54 pm LisaFromNYC: RT @timstubinski: @DreamsGrafter Valid point on catharsis. There has to be payoff/realization/epiphany one way or another. #ScriptChat
7:54 pm 9Cups: @DreamsGrafter Plot/Story-in-pictures is an irresistible subject area for me. LOVE #scriptchat
7:55 pm john_hunter: @JLichtenberg Aye. Sometimes a nice idea for a character comes first. So then you just and figure out how you can piss them off #scriptchat
7:55 pm jeannevb: @timstubinski listening in on EURO &/or reading past transcripts is great way to get the global view on screenwriting ;) #scriptchat
7:55 pm booksbelow: Yes. RT @JLichtenberg: @booksbelow Sherlock Holmes was THE "character" who drove every plot to resolution 4 client #scriptchat
7:55 pm DreamsGrafter: @rpg3000 I need to give Mad Men a chance. I dipped into an episode 4 a few mins. Didn't grab me but I hear u have to st fr ep 1. #scriptchat
7:56 pm JLichtenberg: @LisaFromNYC #scriptchat "catharsis" has to originate in the SETUP
7:56 pm timstubinski: @jeannevb yes, totally loving this ;) #scriptchat
7:57 pm booksbelow: @rpg3000 @DreamsGrafter Might be something very American about Mad Men, I lived through those years and resonates for me. #scriptchat
7:57 pm LisaFromNYC: I've never seen Mad Men. Have to give a chance #ScriptChat
7:57 pm Watson_MD: RT:@booksbelow #scriptchat @booksbelow Sherlock Holmes was THE "character" who drove every plot to re... http://tinyurl.com/266o2t9 #holmes
7:57 pm JLichtenberg: @john_hunter #scriptchat the recipe for pissing off a great character is "What is THE WORST thing that can happen to this guy" - make it so
7:58 pm DreamsGrafter: @booksbelow Mad Men's very big over here. I know loadsa ppl who love it - esp. the press. #scriptchat *good drama is universal*
7:58 pm jeannevb: It is THE best drama on TV right now IMO RT @LisaFromNYC: Ive never seen Mad Men. Have to give a chance #scriptchat
7:59 pm DreamsGrafter: @booksbelow I'm more of an adrenaline junkie re drama i.e. The Wire and Battlestar Galactica but plan to give Mad Men a chance. #scriptchat
7:59 pm LisaFromNYC: @jeannevb Better than Breaking Bad? That's my fav. #ScriptChat
7:59 pm jeannevb: @LisaFromNYC but I wld recommend renting past seasons first bc as a writer, you'll want to see the entire char evolution #scriptchat
8:00 pm DreamsGrafter: Woot we have another member of #scriptchat #treefort in the house: @jeannevb ... :)
8:00 pm jeannevb: U try Mad Men, I'll try Breaking Bad :) RT @LisaFromNYC: @jeannevb Better than Breaking Bad? Thats my fav. #scriptchat
8:00 pm rpg3000: @booksbelow So far I just think there's a bit too much naval-gazing (Betty & shrink), not enough active characters. #scriptchat
8:00 pm LisaFromNYC: @DreamsGrafter Battlestar is my fav show of all time. I gravitate toward dark tones. #ScriptChat
8:00 pm booksbelow: I think Mad Men is just a rip off of Darrin and Larry Tate in 'Bewitched' :-) #scriptchat
8:01 pm timstubinski: Sadly I admit I have never watched it either RT@lisafromnyc I've never seen Mad Men. Have to give a chance #ScriptChat
8:01 pm JLichtenberg: RT @john_hunter: @JLichtenberg Yes! If you're the most belittled, aquaphobic Police Chief in Amity, out to sea to take control+stop shark you go #scriptchat
8:01 pm LisaFromNYC: @jeannevb lol Sounds good. It's always good to add another quality show. #ScriptChat
8:01 pm jameskick: RT @jeannevb: It is THE best drama on TV right now IMO RT @LisaFromNYC: Ive never seen Mad Men. Have to give a chance #scriptchat
8:01 pm DreamsGrafter: @LisaFromNYC Me too! :) I love #BreakingBad too - just finished Season 1 the other day. Can't wait to watch Season 2. #scriptchat
8:01 pm JLichtenberg: @john_hunter #scriptchat "belittled aquaphobic" etc - yep, that's IT!
8:02 pm jeannevb: I'm avoiding cleaning the pantry ha RT @DreamsGrafter: Woot we have another member of #scriptchat #treefort in the house: @jeannevb ... :)
8:02 pm maidenmatt: Mad Men is high on my rental list at LoveFilm along with Spooks, 24 and Bones - Haven't seen early seasons of any of these. #scriptchat
8:02 pm edwardvirtually: lol! RT @booksbelow: I think Mad Men is just a rip off of Darrin and Larry Tate in 'Bewitched' :-) #scriptchat
8:02 pm jeannevb: @LisaFromNYC I tend to try shows other writers recommend before any other ;) Thx #scriptchat
8:02 pm DreamsGrafter: @LisaFromNYC I've said the same about Mad Men - I need to give it a chance. #scriptchat
8:02 pm LisaFromNYC: I just put Mad Men on my netflix queue. Season 1. Start from the beginning! #ScriptChat
8:03 pm Alex_Carrick: RT @booksbelow I think Mad Men a rip off of Darrin & Larry Tate in 'Bewitched' :-) #scriptchat < Mad Men is very well done, but it's a soap
8:03 pm JLichtenberg: @rpg3000 @booksbelow #scriptchat "not enough active characters" - writers often START WRITING way too soon, and get that naval-gazing effect
8:03 pm DreamsGrafter: @booksbelow I LOVE Bewitched ... I was hooked on it as a child. Wasn't keen on the new Darren though. #scriptchat
8:03 pm jeannevb: @maidenmatt I got tired of 24 after 1 season. Same ol, same ol. I prefer char driven shows more than action. Just my taste #scriptchat
8:03 pm JLichtenberg: RT @LisaFromNYC: I just put Mad Men on my netflix queue. Season 1. Start from the beginning! #ScriptChat
8:03 pm jeannevb: WOOT! RT @LisaFromNYC: I just put Mad Men on my netflix queue. Season 1. Start from the beginning! #scriptchat
8:03 pm jeannevb: HA! RT @edwardvirtually: lol! RT @booksbelow: I think Mad Men is just a rip off of Darrin and Larry Tate in Bewitched :-) #scriptchat
8:04 pm rpg3000: @jeannevb BrBa is better IMO, but AMC is cleary where it's at for you Americans. :) #scriptchat
8:04 pm timstubinski: Actually I just started watching 'Nurse Jackie' not too long ago. Very well done and Edie Falco is remarkable #scriptchat
8:04 pm JLichtenberg: RT @edwardvirtually: lol! RT @booksbelow: I think Mad Men is just a rip off of Darrin and Larry Tate in 'Bewitched' :-) #scriptchat
8:04 pm maidenmatt: What makes a show like CSI last for 10+ seasons?! #scriptchat
8:04 pm jeannevb: I'll def check it out :) RT @rpg3000: @jeannevb BrBa is better IMO, but AMC is cleary where its at for you Americans. :) #scriptchat
8:05 pm LisaFromNYC: @jeannevb My parents rarely watch TV. So I went 2 their house w/BB dvd & we had dinner watching BB. They're addicted now #ScriptChat
8:05 pm jeannevb: oops... I need to stop talking or I'll be in #twitterjail during the USA #scriptchat
8:05 pm JLichtenberg: #scriptchat what do U think TV show producers feel about ppl WAITING to watch whole seasons at a time?
8:05 pm booksbelow: @DreamsGrafter I'm still psychologically damaged from them sticking in new Darrin with no explanation- haunted me all my life! #scriptchat
8:05 pm timstubinski: Not to mention I think without a doubt the dramedy is the hardest sell for any writer with networks #scriptchat
8:05 pm john_hunter: If you're the most belittled, aquaphobic Police Chief in Amity, out to sea to take control+stop shark you go :-) #scriptchat
8:05 pm JLichtenberg: RT @jeannevb: oops... I need to stop talking or I'll be in #twitterjail during the USA #scriptchat
8:05 pm DreamsGrafter: Character or procedure? *never watched it* Give The Wire! ;) RT @maidenmatt: What makes a show like CSI last for 10+ seasons?! #scriptchat
8:05 pm Alex_Carrick: RT @LisaFromNYC @jeannevb #ScriptChat < We've watched Breaking Bad from start. Stunningly creative; great writing; actors wear their parts.
8:06 pm JLichtenberg: RT @maidenmatt: What makes a show like CSI last for 10+ seasons?! #scriptchat
8:06 pm Lauraann1061: RT @Alex_Carrick: RT @booksbelow I think Mad Men a rip off of Darrin & Larry Tate in 'Bewitched' :-) #scriptchat < Mad Men is very well done, but it's a soap
8:06 pm DreamsGrafter: @maidenmatt But totally, there's a reason for that level of success. #scriptchat
8:06 pm booksbelow: Very open ended concept, lots of possibilites. RT @maidenmatt: What makes a show like CSI last for 10+ seasons?! #scriptchat
8:06 pm JLichtenberg: @maidenmatt #scriptchat long-running TV shows start with popular SETTING, then delve ever deeper into RELATIONSHIPS among estab. chrcts
8:07 pm LisaFromNYC: Anyone going to watch THE EVENT #ScriptChat
8:07 pm JLichtenberg: @maidenmatt #scriptchat It's the promise of WHAT WILL BE REVEALED that makes long-running shows. SEE: White Collar
8:07 pm timstubinski: @maidenmatt Formula and familiarity (which are virtually the same). #scriptchat
8:07 pm DreamsGrafter: @JLichtenberg Are they happy about DVD sales? - in an age when DVD sales are at a low point? #scriptchat
8:08 pm DreamsGrafter: @booksbelow Haha! :) #scriptchat
8:08 pm JLichtenberg: RT @timstubinski: Not to mention I think without a doubt the dramedy is the hardest sell for any writer with networks #scriptchat
8:08 pm rpg3000: Sorry I seem to have derailed #scriptchat topic with TV talk. So -- characters and plot...
8:08 pm DreamsGrafter: *makes note* RT @LisaFromNYC: Anyone going to watch THE EVENT #ScriptChat
8:09 pm DreamsGrafter: Guys, I'm going to let you run with this. Absolutely LOVED tonight's chat. Thanks so much for such a great one! x #scriptchat
8:10 pm DreamsGrafter: Also, welcome to the #scriptchat newbies. Please feel free to drop in again ... :)
8:10 pm LisaFromNYC: Great chat tweeps. U guys got me to give MM a chance. lol Char driven stories are the best #ScriptChat
8:10 pm DreamsGrafter: *ha ha* ;) x RT @rpg3000: Sorry I seem to have derailed #scriptchat topic with TV talk. So -- characters and plot...
8:10 pm rpg3000: When setting out, I always repeat to myself: Characters are what they do, not what they say. And what characters do is the plot. #scriptchat
8:10 pm JLichtenberg: #scriptchat success in Big or Small screen depends maybe more on not having any TURNOFFS than on GOOD STUFF
8:10 pm ambigfoot: I think the main protagonist has to be rigidly defined using complex allegorical metaphors in order to add dynamism to the plot #scriptchat
8:11 pm JLichtenberg: RT @LisaFromNYC: Great chat tweeps. U guys got me to give MM a chance. lol Char driven stories are the best #ScriptChat
8:11 pm gibbzer: RT @rpg3000: When setting out, I always repeat to myself: Characters are what they do, not what they say. And what characters do is the plot. #scriptchat
8:11 pm JLichtenberg: @LisaFromNYC #scriptchat Character-driven stories are second best. RELATIONSHIP driven plots skyrocket
8:12 pm KrisTheScript: @JLichtenberg @john_hunter Blake Snyder called this 'covenant of the arc'. An amusing play on words. #scriptchat
8:12 pm JLichtenberg: RT @ambigfoot: I think the main protagonist has to be rigidly defined using complex allegorical metaphors in order to add dynamism to the plot #scriptchat
8:13 pm john_hunter: Awesome point! JLichtenberg @LisaFromNYC #scriptchat Character-driven stories are second best. RELATIONSHIP driven plots skyrocket
8:13 pm john_hunter: Ducking out of #scriptchat now. Pleasure doing business with you ;-)
8:13 pm JLichtenberg: @ambigfoot #scriptchat Yes MAIN protag must have most depth, & be "reflected" in co-stars (Kirk-Spock-McCoy Scotty-Uhura-Chekov)
8:13 pm lizziside: RT @ambigfoot: I think the main protagonist has to be rigidly defined using complex allegorical metaphors in order to add dynamism to the plot #scriptchat
8:14 pm lizziside: RT @JLichtenberg: @LisaFromNYC #scriptchat Character-driven stories are second best. RELATIONSHIP driven plots skyrocket
8:14 pm JLichtenberg: @john_hunter #scriptchat but U can't have RELATIONSHIP DRIVEN PLOT w/o deep characters who DRIVE their lives athwart each other's
8:15 pm JLichtenberg: @john_hunter #scriptchat creating that ensemble of characters to contrast-compare is the poetic artform behind storytelling
8:16 pm rpg3000: Thanks all at #scriptchat - I'm off. Carry on my wayward sons.
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jeannevb: It's #scriptchat O'CLOCK
jeannevb: TOPIC: how character development & choices affects plot #scriptchat
jeannevb: bring it on, baby #scriptchat
KageyNYC: Ditto RT @yeah_write Please ignore my tweets for the next hour if you aren't interested in screenwriting. Because it's time for #scriptchat
yeah_write: traffic is about the only thing I don't miss about living in CA #scriptchat
GinySassenach: @yeah_write Yes I always copy yours. SHHHHH lol #scriptchat
dwacon: @jeannevb ooh rah! #scriptchat
Jonathan_Peace: AAH.... getting more JD, puttin down the articles, the writing assignments and the 2011 script notes so I'm finally able to hit #scriptchat
TheWriteScript: We need a #scriptchat "ching-ching" like Law and Order. #scriptchat
12:01 am ozzywood: Hello from Sydney to all at #scriptchat
12:01 am booksbelow: @Jonathan_Peace How character development & choices affects plot #scriptchat
12:01 am KageyNYC: But if screenwriting is your thing, please join in! RT @jeannevb: TOPIC: how character development & choices affects plot #scriptchat
12:01 am jeannevb: when stuck in vast hell of Act 2, I always think "what's the worst thing that cld happen to my prot?" Usually it's about wound #scriptchat
12:01 am GinySassenach: @ozzywood Hello *waving* #scriptchat
12:01 am jeannevb: well put ;) RT @dwacon: @jeannevb ooh rah! #scriptchat
12:02 am Jonathan_Peace: Wow... finally made a scriptchat in about a month!!! #scriptchat
12:02 am jeannevb: *tackles* RT @ozzywood: Hello from Sydney to all at #scriptchat
12:02 am yeah_write: did we start already? #scriptchat
12:02 am jeannevb: apologize to all new followers, but I will be very annoying the next hour if you aren't a screenwriter - & maybe even if u r ;) #scriptchat
12:02 am GinySassenach: @Jonathan_Peace Good to meet you. #scriptchat
12:02 am yeah_write: Hello down there! RT @ozzywood: Hello from Sydney to all at #scriptchat
12:02 am KageyNYC: You get audio w your #scriptchat? I'm geting hosed! ;) RT @TheWriteScript: We need a #scriptchat "ching-ching" like Law and Order.
12:03 am ozzywood: Here's a starter: ?There?s no such thing as character development. All there is, is action?-D.Mamet http://bit.ly/9GLDj4 (LOL) #scriptchat
12:03 am jeannevb: @yeah_write nope, it's 8:02 #scriptchat
12:03 am yeah_write: On deck, covered in bug spray, enjoying the night with my chat. #scriptchat
12:03 am KageyNYC: *tackles her tackling him* (oy, his back) RT @jeannevb: *tackles* RT @ozzywood: Hello from Sydney to all at #scriptchat
12:03 am hhdavid65: If screenwriting's not your thing, ignore my tweets for the next hour, 'cos it's #scriptchat o'clock at my place. :)
12:03 am GinySassenach: RT @ozzywood: : ?There?s no such thing as character development. All there is, is action?-D.Mamet http://bit.ly/9GLDj4 (LOL) #scriptchat
12:03 am SharkGoddess: Now if you'll excuse me I have a meeting on Twitter to attend to, #Scriptchat time!
12:04 am Jonathan_Peace: Just putting finishing touches to The Rift script I got HIRED to write *just saying* And weirdly enough adding character touches #scriptchat
12:04 am jeannevb: Some #treefort news: @thembob is guesting NEXT WEEK, so mark ur calendars! #scriptchat
12:04 am mLori71: RT @Jonathan_Peace: Just putting finishing touches to The Rift script I got HIRED to write *just saying* And weirdly enough adding character touches #scriptchat
12:04 am yeah_write: I put co-founder of Scriptchat in my resume with my Inktip query. lol #scriptchat
12:04 am GinySassenach: It seems my dialogue is badddd. So if I have more action and development of the character.....will dialogue not matter? #scriptchat
12:04 am SharkGoddess: RT @HayleyMckenzie1: West Yorkshire Playhouse is now accepting unsolicited scripts: http://bit.ly/dkSDTB #scriptchat #writing #theatre
12:04 am jeannevb: @Jonathan_Peace people PAY writers? *scratches head* #scriptchat
12:05 am Jonathan_Peace: RT @yeah_write: I put co-founder of Scriptchat in my resume with my Inktip query. lol #scriptchat
12:05 am jeannevb: WOOHOO! RT @yeah_write: I put co-founder of Scriptchat in my resume with my Inktip query. lol #scriptchat
12:05 am art1032: Forgot today was Sunday O.o. lol #Scriptchat
12:05 am Jonathan_Peace: @jeannevb It's weird! Who knew!!!? #scriptchat
12:05 am yeah_write: FYI @thembob next week's guest, is the original writer for the movie KILLERS. He's awesome. #scriptchat
12:05 am TheWriteScript: A visual medium requires action. Develop the character thru action so we can see them grow/change. #scriptchat
12:05 am GinySassenach: That is going to be Gr8 RT @jeannevb: Some #treefort news: @thembob is guesting NEXT WEEK, so mark ur calendars! #scriptchat
12:06 am ozzywood: Early drafts put character in the dialogue. Then you externalize it into action.RT @GinySassenach: will dialogue not matter? #scriptchat
12:07 am GinySassenach: RT @TheWriteScript: A visual medium requires action. Develop the character thru action so we can see them grow/change. #scriptchat
12:07 am The_Jodi: @jeannevb Drinking the usual? :) #scriptchat
12:07 am Jonathan_Peace: Apologies if I miss a few mentions/DM's etc. Things have gotten CWAZY lately. Wll get back in touch individually eventually LOL #scriptchat
12:07 am yeah_write: Tonight's topic is character development and how it relates to plot development, or something like that. #scriptchat
12:07 am jeannevb: PIMP commercial: if ur LA writer @writeononline has new writing retreat coming up http://writeontrackla.com/writing-retreat/ #scriptchat
12:07 am KageyNYC: Often occupation is used to show char & create opps for plot. Watched I Love You, Man & his job helped move story along. #scriptchat
12:08 am jeannevb: @SilverScriptz get ur ass to #scriptchat then. On now http://tweetchat.com/room/scriptchat
12:08 am sunspotpictures: What about the other way around? -- Molding plot to influence character development. Often happens when adhering to set theme #scriptchat
12:08 am dwacon: I am starting with green tea... to be followed by a pomegranate green tea... #scriptchat
12:08 am yeah_write: @KageyNYC I just watched New in Town, and job was the center of the character and plot. #scriptchat
12:08 am Jonathan_Peace: I found (especially on a short script) that every word is so important be it dialogue/action to show characterisation. #scriptchat
12:08 am sunspotpictures: RT @GinySassenach: RT @TheWriteScript: A visual medium requires action. Develop the character thru action so we can see them grow/change. #scriptchat
12:08 am jeannevb: RT @sunspotpictures: What abou other way around? -Molding plot to influence char dev. Often happens when adhering to set theme #scriptchat
12:09 am jeannevb: yep ;) RT @The_Jodi: @jeannevb Drinking the usual? :) #scriptchat
12:09 am TheWriteScript: If there's no visible change, then it's a novel, not a movie. #scriptchat
12:09 am Jonathan_Peace: BUT my rule is story is everything. DON'T make a plot out of character. DON'T try to mould character to plot. STORY is the key. #scriptchat
12:09 am KageyNYC: Haven't seen it. Good? RT @yeah_write: @KageyNYC I just watched New in Town, and job was the center of the character and plot. #scriptchat
12:09 am ozzywood: Plot consists of EVENTS and ACTIONS, for each character. ACTIONS must always reveal what the character stands for. #scriptchat
12:09 am LisaFromNYC: RT @TheWriteScript: A visual medium requires action. Develop the character thru action so we can see them grow/change. #ScriptChat
12:10 am jeannevb: use plot to push the char as far as possible... torture her & give her tough choices until she has no choice but to evolve #scriptchat
12:10 am sdarancette: Hiya, scriptchatters #scriptchat. I am working, but will lurk and chime in time to time.
12:10 am sam_gurney: Can't sleep, so following #scriptchat for a while. (gone 1AM in UK)
12:10 am yeah_write: @KageyNYC It was not great, but it was easy to watch. For a romcom, the 2 main chars weren't together much. #scriptchat
12:11 am ozzywood: Different writers have different approaches: some start from plot, others from character. This should not affect the end result. #scriptchat
12:11 am Jonathan_Peace: You can ADD charcaterisations (diiferent to character) to AUGMENT the story but you can't add story to build character #scriptchat
12:11 am Samuel_Clemons: RT @yeah_write Tonight's topic is character development and how it relates to plot development, #scriptchat (whew, character dev my fav!)
12:11 am KayleeT: RT @ozzywood: Different writers have different approaches: some start from plot, others from character. This should not affect the end result. #scriptchat
12:11 am jeannevb: no sleep happening here ;) RT @sam_gurney: Cant sleep, so following #scriptchat for a while. (gone 1AM in UK) #scriptchat
12:11 am sunspotpictures: RT @jeannevb: use plot 2 push char as far as possible... torture her & give tough choices until she has no choice bt 2 evolve #scriptchat
12:12 am Jonathan_Peace: btw: I hate the word PLOT. To me it's too RIGID. INFLEXIBLE. sorry for the caps but trying to hammer home key words. Damn JD #scriptchat
12:12 am Jonathan_Peace: Hey @sam_gurney fellow UK resident #scriptchat
12:13 am TheWriteScript: Plot-driven stories = children's literature. Big people want deep, character-driven stories rather than just "how does it end?" #scriptchat
12:13 am sam_gurney: @KageyNYC Another good example of this is Trish from 40 Yr Old Virgin owning the eBay store. Forces Andy to grow up. #scriptchat
12:13 am ozzywood: A thought: Plot structure is more restrictive when characters change. When they don't, you have more structural freedom. Anyone? #scriptchat
12:13 am yeah_write: I'm now writing straight through from FADE IN to FADE OUT without editing, so my chars develop with the story. #scriptchat
12:13 am jeannevb: How do you all start? I start w the hook, then char dev, then see how to push char dev & choices further w plot points #scriptchat
12:13 am dwacon: @Jonathan_Peace PLOT is like the lines on the road. You follow them until speed vs. curve = major world shifting event. #scriptchat
12:14 am dwacon: @jeannevb I have the story in my head before writing a single page. When I start to write, it is really a page one rewrite. #scriptchat
12:14 am Jonathan_Peace: RT @TheWriteScript: Plot-driven stories = 'kids' literature. 'adults' want character-driven stories not just "how does it end?" #scriptchat
12:14 am timstubinski: Hi all. For me plot and dialogue push the story, sometimes spontaneous lines can prompt different avenues #scriptchat
12:14 am jeannevb: we've had so many guests & script nights, it feels good to be talking craft again :) #justsayin #scriptchat
12:14 am GinySassenach: Watched "Sunshine Cleaning" the other day. It seem to be very easy to pick up on characters. Made the film more injoyable. #scriptchat
12:14 am Jonathan_Peace: @dwacon ooooo.... I like that analogy #scriptchat
12:14 am yeah_write: I get idea for hook, premise, then I outline, and draw light char bio, then plot it out by scene. Write, then rewrite. #scriptchat
12:15 am JohnMiewald: Another good place to start is with how this script is going to make you money. :) Build it around the profit-model. #scriptchat
12:15 am jeannevb: @dwacon sweet! I've had children, so my memory came out with the placenta. I have to write it all down ;) hee #scriptchat
12:15 am KageyNYC: @sam_gurney Great example I read script & she had diff job (can't remember now) but it didn't create bridge btn his world & hers #scriptchat
12:15 am dwacon: @ozzywood Either way, though... you get some pleasant surprises... either the character changes or the world changes... or both! #scriptchat
12:15 am Jonathan_Peace: But I still say STORY is everything. #scriptchat
12:15 am TheWriteScript: @JohnMiewald LOL #scriptchat
12:15 am ozzywood: Interesting... RT @TheWriteScript: Plot-driven stories = childrens literature. Big people want character-driven stories #scriptchat
12:15 am sam_gurney: @Jonathan_Peace Hey there. Following things with heavy eyelids, or a night person? :) #scriptchat
12:15 am LisaFromNYC: @jeannevb Similiar to u. Hook. Char flaw which creates irony/conflict, which then creates a theme. #ScriptChat
12:15 am dwacon: @jeannevb My shampoo has placenta. But I only use it on my chin. What does that mean? #scriptchat
12:16 am Cacotopos: @ozzywood Agree. I often find (and enjoy) chars running off & doing their own thing. They can end up fighting my rails. #scriptchat
12:16 am Jonathan_Peace: NEVER RT @JohnMiewald: A good place to start is with how this script is going to make you money Build it around the profit-model #scriptchat
12:16 am GinySassenach: Yes my problem RT @jeannevb: @dwacon sweet! Ive had children, so my memory came out with the placenta. write it all down ;) hee #scriptchat
12:16 am art1032: I do too :)@dwacon @jeannevb I have the story in my head before writing a single page. . #scriptchat
12:16 am jeannevb: @JohnMiewald I think profitability of script is something a writer doesn't "get" until after writing a few... that don't sell :) #scriptchat
12:16 am ozzywood: = CONCEPT. Holds character & plot RT @JohnMiewald: Another good place to start is how this script is going to make you money. #scriptchat
12:16 am timstubinski: @Jonathan_Peace I agree, story rules #scriptchat
12:16 am Jonathan_Peace: @sam_gurney To quote Bon Jovi: I'll live while Iim alive. I'll sleep when I'm dead! LOL #scriptchat
12:16 am dwacon: @Jonathan_Peace A former manager had me take my story and change three major characters, add two others. Interesting experiment. #scriptchat
12:17 am jeannevb: @LisaFromNYC yes, THEME, and how the char's (even supporting char) choices show the theme as well as drive the plot #scriptchat
12:17 am ozzywood: RT @jeannevb: @JohnMiewald profitability is something a writer doesnt get until after writing a few scripts... that dont sell :) #scriptchat
12:17 am jeannevb: *snort* RT @dwacon: @jeannevb My shampoo has placenta. But I only use it on my chin. What does that mean? #scriptchat
12:17 am dwacon: @Jonathan_Peace Thanks! #scriptchat
12:18 am sunspotpictures: RT @jeannevb: @LisaFromNYC yes THEME, and how the char's (even supporting char) choices show the theme as well as drive the plot #scriptchat
12:18 am sam_gurney: @KageyNYC Ooh that's interesting. Just goes to show that writing is re-writing! #scriptchat
12:18 am LisaFromNYC: challenging RT @dwacon: @Jonathan_Peace A former manager had me take my story and change three major characters, add two others. #ScriptChat
12:19 am Story_Craft: #StoryCraft ers interested in screenwriting - don't forget #scriptchat - it's on now!
12:19 am The_Jodi: Heh! RT@JohnMiewald profitability of script is something a writer doesn't "get" until after writing a few... that don't sell :) #scriptchat
12:19 am jeannevb: fyi, I'm taking @ScreenwritingU's 6-mo pro series starting next weekend. Will be giving full report ;) http://bit.ly/90pjuF #scriptchat
12:19 am SilverScriptz: @jeannevb Yes, $$$s... this for me becomes important after you've written one that is fab but not flavour of the month. #scriptchat
12:19 am LisaFromNYC: RT @jeannevb: @LisaFromNYC yes, THEME, and how the chars (even supporting char) choices show the theme as well as drive the plot #ScriptChat
12:19 am jeannevb: join us! RT @Story_Craft: #StoryCraft ers interested in screenwriting - dont forget #scriptchat - its on now! #scriptchat
12:19 am booksbelow: You can have a movie without plot or even story, but you can't really have a movie without characters. #scriptchat
12:19 am sunspotpictures: @jeannevb Agreed, theme is very important. A compass through the process if you've established it before writing. #scriptchat
12:19 am yeah_write: @tvscriptdoctor Join us for #scriptchat going on now. We are talking character development.
12:19 am Jonathan_Peace: @dwacon Why? #scriptchat
12:19 am GinySassenach: I thought it was understood - writing is rewriting.....:-) #scriptchat
12:20 am jeannevb: I see some virgins out there ;) #woot Welcome! #scriptchat
12:20 am ozzywood: In transformational stories, all you need to worry about is plot. Char. journey should be clear 4 the writer. Plot expresses it. #scriptchat
12:20 am dwacon: I like the Bon Jovi quote. 1/3 of my scripts were deciphered from dreams. The unconscious is a valuable asset in screenwriting. #scriptchat
12:20 am KageyNYC: @sam_gurney I thought it was a cool change, why I remembered. He valued action figures as a child would, she did as an adult ($) #scriptchat
12:20 am dwacon: @Jonathan_Peace Notice I referred to her as a FORMER manager.... #scriptchat
12:20 am ozzywood: Disagreed. RT @booksbelow: You can have a movie without plot or even story, but you cant really have a movie without characters. #scriptchat
12:21 am jeannevb: I wrote an article for @PeevishPenman on editing. Will go live tomorrow. I'll tweet link. How I cut 25 pages of SBAN #scriptchat
12:21 am SharkGoddess: I'm learning that. :) RT @GinySassenach I thought it was understood - writing is rewriting.....:-) #scriptchat
12:21 am Jonathan_Peace: @dwacon YAY! #scriptchat
12:21 am sdarancette: RT @jeannevb: I see some virgins out there ;) #woot Welcome! #scriptchat- Virgin sacrifices is THIS WEEK? I thought it was next week.
12:21 am jeannevb: @SunspotPictures the sweet spot is finding ways to show theme w all main chars. Gives me goosebumps #nerd ;) #scriptchat
12:21 am ozzywood: To express character you need action = plot. Even W.Allen knows. RT @booksbelow: You can have a movie without plot or even story #scriptchat
12:22 am JohnMiewald: AND there are some people new to #scriptchat, too. @jeannevb I see some virgins out there ;) #woot Welcome! #scriptchat
12:22 am jeannevb: @sdarancette I knew you'd stop working if I mentioned virgin ;) #woot #scriptchat
12:22 am SilverScriptz: @jeannevb 'I see some virgins out there ;) #woot Welcome!' - How did you know it was me? thanks for the welcome.! lol Hi all! #scriptchat
12:22 am dwacon: @Jonathan_Peace I do like the way that script came out though... but strange to have 2 variations with same lead characters... #scriptchat
12:22 am sunspotpictures: Kismet! RT @jeannevb: the sweet spot is finding ways to show theme w all main chars. Gives me goosebumps #nerd ;) #scriptchat
12:22 am KageyNYC: Hobbies can show char traits & externalize the internal. On Caprica, boxing showed char's internal fight (+ avoid talking heads) #scriptchat
12:23 am booksbelow: @ozzywood Even Woody Allen? LOL! I was mostly rabble rousing with that statement. :-) #scriptchat
12:23 am dwacon: @LisaFromNYC Now, if only I could sell one of the two versions of the script, LOL... #scriptchat
12:23 am jeannevb: @SilverScriptz great to "have" you :) Transcripts for past chats & TONS of resources are on our blog http://scriptchat.com #scriptchat
12:23 am Jonathan_Peace: I am RIGHT NOW going over a script (deadline 13 Sept) to make sure characterisation adheres to STORY #scriptchat
12:23 am jeannevb: :) RT @JohnMiewald: AND there are some people new to #scriptchat, too. @jeannevb I see some virgins out there ;) #woot Welcome! #scriptchat
12:23 am Jonathan_Peace: @dwacon bear with me 1 sec. trying to catch up on messages. LOL #scriptchat
12:24 am yeah_write: I took today off from jewelry making and worked on screenwriting all day. I'm working out plot holes by looking at my characters #scriptchat
12:24 am brionykidd: Any thoughts on writing epiphany moment? (ie.lightbulb moment where character works something out, finally gets it, learns) #scriptchat
12:24 am jeannevb: @LesannSartor I'll be reviewing the @ScreenwritingU course for @WriteOnOnline :) Keep your eyes out... #scriptchat
12:24 am ozzywood: His characters' dialogue = lies. Their action = truth/character. RT @booksbelow: Even Woody Allen? #scriptchat
12:24 am sam_gurney: @jeannevb Hell yes, pulling all major characters arcs into the theme is amazingly satisfying! #neeerrrddd #scriptchat
12:25 am ozzywood: How do you do this practically? RT @Jonathan_Peace: make sure characterisation adheres to STORY #scriptchat
12:25 am yeah_write: Hey, @LesannSartor is from my RWA screenwriting chapter. Please give her a warm welcome. #scriptchat
12:25 am readerproof: You can learn a lot about the epiphany moment from watching House RT @brionykidd: Any thoughts on writing epiphany moment? #scriptchat
12:25 am sunspotpictures: @Jonathan_Peace How might characterization not adhere to story? #scriptchat
12:25 am SilverScriptz: @jeannevb Thanks for the 'roadmap' to transcripts! It's moving so fast here. Hey guys, get off ma foot! Ouch!! lol #scriptchat
12:25 am Todfilm: Might as well say hi, since I'm gonna be writing a lot more this coming year. #scriptchat
12:25 am booksbelow: RT @ozzywood: His characters dialogue = lies. Their action = truth/character. RT @booksbelow: Even Woody Allen? #scriptchat
12:25 am jeannevb: Is any1 stuck in their script & want to workshop it? Maybe we need to have smaller #scriptchat workshops #scriptchat
12:25 am Jonathan_Peace: Surely that's part of the fun of weaving words: finding the cool unique obscure ways to SHOW story through character actions? #scriptchat
12:26 am jeannevb: *waves* RT @Todfilm: Might as well say hi, since Im gonna be writing a lot more this coming year. #scriptchat
12:26 am KageyNYC: Re: writing for $, unless u find non-profit ProdCo, there's reality of $. See more dramas in theaters & more will get bought. #scriptchat
12:26 am ozzywood: Will have to bail in 5mins... Deadline for script consultancy looming. Exciting to know the script WILL make it to the screen! #scriptchat
12:26 am readerproof: Awesome idea! RT @jeannevb: Maybe we need to have smaller #scriptchat workshops #scriptchat
12:27 am GCGeek: All 4 it RT @jeannevb: Is any1 stuck in their script & want to workshop it? Maybe we need to have smaller #scriptchat workshops #scriptchat
12:27 am jeannevb: If ur stuck on char dev, think about ur own life. Changes u've made ALL came fr torture. True for me. #scriptchat
12:27 am GCGeek: And a belated hello! #scriptchat
12:27 am Jonathan_Peace: @sunspotpictures If it doesn't in someway intensify the overall STORY. imho (wow... starting to use kid-lingo) #scriptchat
12:27 am GinySassenach: That would be fun! RT @jeannevb: Is any1 stuck in their script & Maybe we need to have smaller #scriptchat workshops #scriptchat
12:27 am ozzywood: RT @jeannevb: If ur stuck on char dev, think about ur own life. Changes uve made ALL came fr torture. True for me. #scriptchat
12:27 am jeannevb: WOOT! ;) #treefort? RT @readerproof: Awesome idea! RT @jeannevb: Maybe we need to have smaller #scriptchat workshops #scriptchat
12:28 am GinySassenach: @ozzywood Congrats! #scriptchat
12:28 am sunspotpictures: @brionykidd Epiphany moment is typically pretty magical... no pressure ;) #scriptchat
12:28 am Timsn: Yes! RT @jeannevb: Is any1 stuck in their script & want to workshop it? Maybe we need to have smaller #scriptchat workshops #scriptchat
12:28 am Todfilm: I am an old fashioned aristotelian, I believe character is revealed through action and choices rather than through dialogue. #scriptchat
12:28 am ozzywood: How about STORY sessions? Based on synopsis/outline? RT @jeannevb: Maybe we need to have smaller #scriptchat workshops #scriptchat
12:28 am Jonathan_Peace: btw: I will NEVER write for $$$$. All my scripts are written on spec. I live or die by MY written word. #scriptchat
12:28 am yeah_write: If you aren't putting your character in deeper, and then even deeper shit, you aren't developing your plot. #scriptchat
12:29 am art1032: Great idea :) @readerproof Awesome idea! RT @jeannevb: Maybe we need to have smaller #scriptchat workshops #scriptchat
12:29 am ozzywood: Thanks! :) Doesn't make the work easier, though... RT @GinySassenach: @ozzywood Congrats! #scriptchat
12:29 am jeannevb: @ozzywood let's def talk about this idea :) I'm diggin it #scriptchat
12:29 am ozzywood: BRAVE RT @Jonathan_Peace: btw: I will NEVER write for $$$. All my scripts are written on spec. I live or die by MY written word. #scriptchat
12:29 am The_Jodi: Sounds good! RT @jeannevb: Is any1 stuck in their script & want to workshop it? Maybe we need to have smaller #scriptchat workshops
12:29 am Jonathan_Peace: If I don't write good... I don't make a dime. To me that's honest writing and forces me to learn to improve. #scriptchat
12:29 am GinySassenach: I think that is what my script needs an "epiphany moment" #scriptchat
12:30 am OShop: RT @ozzywood: BRAVE RT @Jonathan_Peace: btw: I will NEVER write for $$$. All my scripts are written on spec. I live or die by MY written word. #scriptchat
12:30 am jeannevb: workshopped my new script w @the_jodi & others ! Stony Brook. ALL learned fr ea other. Will def try to make it happen for u #scriptchat
12:30 am Jonathan_Peace: @ozzywood Brave... maybe. Stupid n this climate, possibly. Honest,,, you better damn believe it! LOL #scriptchat
12:31 am brionykidd: RT @nortypig @brionykidd I've always thought of it as a falling sensation... #scriptchat
12:31 am blankethouse: Ugh! Twitter keeps closing me out. I've tried 3 times to comment - fail #scriptchat
12:31 am brionykidd: RT @nortypig like being spun on a round-a-bout in a playground.. and disembarking at X :-) #scriptchat
12:31 am GCGeek: RT @yeah_write: If you arent putting your character in deeper, and then even deeper shit, you arent developing your plot. #scriptchat
12:31 am ozzywood: Gotta go. Ciao, friends! Expect a barrage of blog updates @ Story Dept. (http://bit.ly/tsdUS) in a few hours... Catching up ;) #scriptchat
12:31 am art1032: RT @jeannevb: workshopped my new script w @the_jodi & others ! Stony Brook. ALL learned fr ea other. Will def try to make it happen for u #scriptchat
12:31 am jeannevb: @blankethouse try tweetchat http://tweetchat.com/room/scriptchat #scriptchat
12:31 am GinySassenach: I like that RT@Todfilm: I am old fashioned aristotelian,believe character is revealed through action choices than dialogue. #scriptchat
12:32 am sam_gurney: @Todfilm Indeed. The Long Good Friday was based around Aristotlian tragedy. Bob Hoskins character highlighted through story. #scriptchat
12:32 am brionykidd: RT @sunspotpictures: @brionykidd Epiphany moment is typically pretty magical... no pressure ;) #scriptchat
12:32 am MonaLiNYC: "@jeannevb: Wanted to say hello to the group *you guys are great - watches from afar* #scriptchat"
12:32 am dwacon: @KageyNYC I have a friend who makes $$$ selling scripts via Mandy and Craigslist. All non-WGA... but money is money. #scriptchat
12:32 am sunspotpictures: @Jonathan_Peace Interesting. Good sign of this is there's probably a lot to cut from script for next revision #scriptchat
12:32 am TheWriteScript: @ozzywood See ya! Great comments, btw. #scriptchat
12:32 am jeannevb: @ozzywood bye! Let's talk later... xo #scriptchat
12:32 am brionykidd: @readerproof So how do they do it? While since I watched House #scriptchat
12:32 am sunspotpictures: RT @jeannevb: If ur stuck on char dev, think about ur own life. Changes u've made ALL came fr torture. True for me. #scriptchat
12:32 am SharkGoddess: Huh?? @Jonathan_Peace: btw: I will NEVER write for $$$. All my scripts are written on spec. I live or die by MY written word. #scriptchat
12:32 am dklon: @jeannevb Just thought I would sit back w/popcorn this time and read. #scriptchat
12:32 am jeannevb: @dwacon that just feels dirty @KageyNYC #scriptchat
12:33 am The_Jodi: (That @jeannevb, she's always thinking!) Must be the #tequila. #scriptchat
12:33 am brionykidd: @SunspotPictures Yes, that's what I mean ;-)...epiphanies -such a key moment, you can't afford for it to be on the nose #scriptchat
12:33 am jeannevb: the best ;) RT @dklon: @jeannevb Just thought I would sit back w/popcorn this time and read. #scriptchat
12:33 am yeah_write: My characters are with me all the time when I work on a project. Terrified I might start talking to them in public. #scriptchat
12:33 am jeannevb: hi! ;) RT @MonaLiNYC: "@jeannevb: Wanted to say hello to the group *you guys are great - watches from afar* #scriptchat"
12:33 am GCGeek: @ozzywood Congrats! See you for longer next time (I was late!) :-) #scriptchat
12:33 am GinySassenach: @Shanipedia Thanks #scriptchat
12:33 am dwacon: @jeannevb What wazzit David Mamet said about us all being whores? #scriptchat
12:34 am jeannevb: If we have any new ppl who found us via @scriptmag, don't be shy, take that shot of tequila & jump in! #scriptchat
12:34 am blankethouse: RT "@yeah_write: If you aren't putting your character in deeper, and then even deeper shit, you aren't developing your plot. #scriptchat"
12:34 am SilverScriptz: RT @sunspotpictures: RT @jeannevb: If ur stuck on char dev, think about ur own life. True for me. - This works for me also. #scriptchat
12:34 am readerproof: @brionykidd Every episode of house has that epiphany moment. Right at the end. Sometimes it's natural, sometimes not. #scriptchat
12:34 am sam_gurney: @Jonathan_Peace And you sell on spec? Good on you! #scriptchat
12:34 am Jonathan_Peace: @SharkGoddess I write the script, the STORY I want to 1st. THEN I try to sell. If it doesn't, that's my fault. Time to learn. #scriptchat
12:34 am jeannevb: <3 RT @yeah_write: My characters are w me all the time ... Terrified I might start talking to them in public #scriptchat
12:34 am yeah_write: @dwacon I don't mind being a whore if I get paid enough for it. lol #scriptchat
12:34 am SharkGoddess: To? RT @dwacon @KageyNYC I have a friend who makes $$$ selling scripts via Mandy & Craigslist. All non-WGA. but money is money. #scriptchat
12:35 am readerproof: @brionykidd It's good practice to judge that moment and see if they did it right. #scriptchat
12:35 am jeannevb: they also have seizures :) RT @readerproof: @brionykidd Every episode of house has that epiphany moment. Right at the end... #scriptchat
12:35 am jeannevb: Bumper Sticker ;) RT @yeah_write: @dwacon I dont mind being a whore if I get paid enough for it. lol #scriptchat
12:35 am sunspotpictures: @brionykidd ha - right. Can't be on the nose, but has to nail it. Usually comes from an epiphany of your own... #scriptchat
12:35 am yeah_write: BTW for those of you not in the chat, the whore comment was about writing for money. Just sayin' #scriptchat
12:35 am GCGeek: LOL indeed. I call it corporate life. RT @yeah_write: @dwacon I dont mind being a whore if I get paid enough for it. lol #scriptchat
12:35 am GinySassenach: @jeannevb Oh I do talk to them in public LOL @Yeah Write #scriptchat
12:35 am Todfilm: Biggest mistake was making a short film w/o a feature length script ready.Had a bunch of producers offering money but no script. #scriptchat
12:36 am jeannevb: As I've said many times, if you can't evolve in your own life & keep repeating mistakes, you cannot evolve ur char. Get therapy #scriptchat
12:36 am brionykidd: @readerproof I'm interested mechanics of how good scripts actually do it...ie.look in the eyes, or something cleverer? #scriptchat #epiphany
12:36 am readerproof: @jeannevb Almost every episode yes, lol #scriptchat
12:36 am brionykidd: @readerproof Good suggestion, thanks...I will try it. #scriptchat
12:36 am jeannevb: RT @Todfilm: Biggest mistake was making short film w/o feature script ready.Had bunch of producers offering money but no script. #scriptchat
12:37 am Todfilm: BTW House is one of the most successful TV shows around the world after CSI and Law and Order. #scriptchat
12:37 am yeah_write: So has anyone changed the direction of a story because of a character change along the way? #scriptchat
12:37 am Jonathan_Peace: Woah... Missing loads of messages/DM's. sorry if I don'[t get back straght away. Please bear with me.... wow. Humbled. *grin* #scriptchat
12:37 am The_Jodi: Hee! RT@yeah_write: @dwacon I don't mind being a whore if I get paid enough for it. lol #scriptchat #nocheapwhorezone
12:37 am booksbelow: 'House' usually has several epiphany moments, but they all turn out to be false except the last one. #scriptchat
12:37 am dynatec54: RT @HayleyMckenzie1: West Yorkshire Playhouse is now accepting unsolicited scripts: http://bit.ly/dkSDTB #scriptchat #writing #theatre
12:38 am booksbelow: :-) RT @yeah_write: BTW for those of you not in the chat, the whore comment was about writing for money. Just sayin #scriptchat
12:38 am Jonathan_Peace: @sam_gurney I AIM to sell on spec. To me that's the honest way of writing. Write it first. Put the time in. Then see... #scriptchat
12:38 am jeannevb: @yeah_write yes! Needed to push prot further, so gave him some great plot points originally intended for supporting char #scriptchat
12:38 am yeah_write: @SharkGoddess If you are wanting to write for a network show, you have to give them a spec for another show, not theirs. #scriptchat
12:38 am blankethouse: I know where my main character(s) need to get to, its the othet characters and elements that challenge their goals. = fun times! #scriptchat
12:39 am Jonathan_Peace: @SharkGoddess Yeah, if that's that story you want to tell and they are the best avenue to distrbute. Maybe it could be a novel? #scriptchat
12:39 am art1032: Love it-lol- @jeannevb Bumper Sticker ;) RT @yeah_write: @dwacon I dont mind being a whore if I get paid enough for it. lol #scriptchat
12:39 am dwacon: @SharkGoddess AFAIK to small producers who may or may not get a film made and may or may not get distributed. #scriptchat
12:39 am jeannevb: Does some1 have a prob w their char they want to throw out there & see if we can help? #scriptchat
12:39 am Jonathan_Peace: @SharkGoddess But they have to request you write for them first. #scriptchat
12:39 am TheWriteScript: @yeah_write No, only because I am lazy and only want to craft the story once. But, characters tend to become more well-rounded. #scriptchat
12:39 am GinySassenach: @Todfilm Yes House is running out of good plots....tho' #scriptchat
12:40 am sam_gurney: @Jonathan_Peace That's the dream? #scriptchat
12:40 am yeah_write: Okay, so has anyone changed a character because they really wanted the plot to work better? #scriptchat
12:40 am jeannevb: *bangs hammer* we're getting a tad off topic here. CHAR DEVELOPMENT driving PLOT #scriptchat
12:40 am dianewms: I like it 2 RT@Todfilm: I am old fashioned aristotelian,believe character is revealed through action choices than dialogue. #scriptchat
12:40 am yeah_write: @TheWriteScript I plot and outline extensively now before writing a word, saves me a lot of grief. Changes made in outline. #scriptchat
12:41 am sunspotpictures: @brionykidd Good epiphanies are clever by nature. Surprises for the audience as much as they are for the character. #scriptchat
12:41 am Jonathan_Peace: But don't get me wrong. If Mr Bruckheimer came to me and said "Write me a new Armageddon" for $$$$$ I'd bite his arm off!!!! LOL #scriptchat
12:41 am susiemccray: RT @yeah_write: If you aren't putting your character in deeper, and then even deeper shit, you aren't developing your plot. #scriptchat
12:41 am dwacon: @Todfilm So you are saying I should take a feature script and make a short film out of it? Hmm... maybe a CGI short? #scriptchat
12:41 am jeannevb: How many of you use a beat sheet of some kind before writing draft 1? #scriptchat
12:41 am Todfilm: @GinySassenach True. Good television is like lightning in a bottle. It's hard to keep it going. #scriptchat
12:41 am sam_gurney: In the 2nd draft of my feature script I added a brand new character to provide a great dimension to hero & story. V liberating. #scriptchat
12:42 am sunspotpictures: RT @yeah_write: @TheWriteScript I plot and outline extensively now before writing a word, saves me a lot of grief. Changes made in outline. #scriptchat
12:42 am Jonathan_Peace: @yeah_write love the organic blossoming of a script. Shit, that sounds gay! I like to write freehand sometimes rather than plan #scriptchat
12:42 am sunspotpictures: RT @susiemccray: RT @yeah_write: If you aren't putting your character in deeper, and then even deeper shit, you aren't developing your plot. #scriptchat
12:42 am jeannevb: RT @sam_gurney: In 2nd draft I added a brand new character to provide a great dimension to hero & story. V liberating. #scriptchat
12:42 am yeah_write: STC beat sheet, then I hammer out the individual scenes. #scriptchat
12:42 am dwacon: @jeannevb Ouch! Don't hammer me *there* -- ways to grow character? Adversity. Desire. Threat of death. And... ? #scriptchat
12:42 am brionykidd: RT @sunspotpictures: @brionykidd Good epiphanies are clever by nature. Surprises for the audience as much as they are for the character. #scriptchat
12:43 am SilverScriptz: RT @yeah_write: STC beat sheet, then I hammer out the individual scenes. Yes! #scriptchat
12:43 am jeannevb: I'm a big believer in plotting beforehand. Had a 31-page scene-by-scene outline for #slaverybyanothername #scriptchat
12:43 am Todfilm: @dwacon It's worked for a lot of ppl. Look at Neill Blomkapp with District 9. Not saying it's the only option. Just one option. #scriptchat
12:43 am yeah_write: @Jonathan_Peace I used to write "seat of my pants" but it was such a waste of time, and I'd forget where I was going. #scriptchat
12:43 am ScriptScribbler: I think that as you get 2 know your chars, the way they react 2 the situations you put em in may change so the plot follows.y/n #scriptchat
12:43 am Jonathan_Peace: @Shanipedia Losng flow of convo. What's not true? LOL sorry, having trouble keeping up with streams tonight #scriptchat
12:43 am dianewms: @jeannevb use a beat sheet of some kind before writing draft 1? #scriptchat I've a family history that I need to adapt to beats in progress.
12:43 am blankethouse: @jeannevb yup, that's how I start every script. It sometime changes after writing. #scriptchat
12:44 am jeannevb: I use Hero's 2 Journeys RT @yeah_write: STC beat sheet, then I hammer out the individual scenes. #scriptchat
12:44 am sam_gurney: @jeannevb All I have before draft 1 is a book full of scribbled notes. The more organised stuff comes later? #scriptchat
12:44 am Jonathan_Peace: @yeah_write I beat sheet the 27 hits I want and then let her loose. #scriptchat
12:44 am brionykidd: @readerproof @SunspotPictures I suppose where it's about the character learning it's harder though, emotional journey stuff... #scriptchat
12:44 am jeannevb: #treefort #teaser: In a coming chat, we'll have a guest fr STC :) #scriptchat
12:45 am yeah_write: @sam_gurney I have a crap ton of scribbled notes and crazy bits in my small recorder. lol #scriptchat
12:45 am DoubleNW: I think it's important 2 listen 2 ur main character/go n the direction he or she wants 2 take u. Gotta b open minded #scriptchat
12:45 am Jonathan_Peace: btw my beat sheet = 3 acts. Each act has a beginning, middle end and so do they. Therefore 27 beats. #scriptchat
12:45 am brionykidd: @readerproof @SunspotPictures eg."Ah, now I understand. My parents never loved me so I've been hating myself" ... #scriptchat
12:45 am dklon: @jeannevb What about being 3 sheets to the wind before hitting the keys? #scriptchat
12:45 am GCGeek: @jeannevb Do you change your plot/scenes if the character(s) take you there as you really get into them & the story? #scriptchat
12:45 am Jonathan_Peace: My more detailed notes are scribbled in pencil onto the rough draft/rewrite drafts. #scriptchat
12:45 am brionykidd: @readerproof @SunspotPictures I mean, you probably have to say that in words, but comes out a bit Touched by An Angel #scriptchat
12:45 am yeah_write: For those who don't know what STC is, it's SAVE THE CAT by Blake Snyder. An incredible series of books. #scriptchat
12:46 am jeannevb: yes! RT @GCGeek: @jeannevb Do u change ur plot/scenes if character(s) take you there as you really get into them & the story? #scriptchat
12:46 am yeah_write: That works too. RT @dklon: @jeannevb What about being 3 sheets to the wind before hitting the keys? #scriptchat
12:46 am blankethouse: RT @jeannevb: *bangs hammer* we're getting a tad off topic here. CHAR DEVELOPMENT driving PLOT #scriptchat
12:46 am Jonathan_Peace: @Shanipedia Never tried a pilot. Had a few ideas but nothing worth going for. #scriptchat
12:46 am jeannevb: @GCGeek in editing article I wrote for @PeevishPenman, I go into detail on how I make changes. Will @ u when it goes live Monday #scriptchat
12:46 am yeah_write: @LesannSartor Exactly. Seat of the pants just means 300 more rewrites! #scriptchat
12:47 am sunspotpictures: @brionykidd seems the most powerful character learning epiphanies are subtle ones, because they force aud to ponder significance #scriptchat
12:47 am jeannevb: aww, u know me so well :) RT @dklon: @jeannevb What about being 3 sheets to the wind before hitting the keys? #scriptchat
12:47 am Todfilm: @jeannevb I am using a technique I learned from a class at AFI, outline, wrict Act 1, then Act 3, then go back and rewrite Act 1 #scriptchat
12:47 am jeannevb: RT @yeah_write: For those who dont know what STC is, its SAVE THE CAT by Blake Snyder. An incredible series of books. #scriptchat
12:47 am sunspotpictures: @brionykidd The Soprano's always did this superbly #scriptchat
12:47 am brionykidd: RT @Phobophilia @brionykidd understatement is key, I reckon. Walk your audience towards it... #scriptchat #epiphany
12:47 am GinySassenach: I wish I had someone working with me...I could bounce thought off them and get info #scriptchat
12:47 am yeah_write: @LesannSartor And I find that my story doesn't make as much sense either. Because it's developed over too long a span of time #scriptchat
12:48 am dklon: @jeannevb So you use the Patron beat sheet method too, eh? #scriptchat
12:48 am brionykidd: RT @Phobophilia but let them find it for themselves at same time as character. #scriptchat #epiphany
12:48 am jeannevb: @Todfilm interesting. Last script, I rewrote Act 1 & 2 before writing Act 3 #scriptchat
12:48 am bfogle75: @jeannevb #scriptchat I always use index cards, and make an outline. Whether that plans holds through the end of the draft is another thing.
12:48 am GCGeek: @jeannevb I would love that. Thank you! #scriptchat
12:48 am blankethouse: @yeah_write: Okay, so has anyone changed a character because they really wanted the plot to work better? #scriptchat good question. Not yet
12:49 am Todfilm: Write drunk, edit sober - Ernest Hemmingway #scriptchat
12:49 am ScriptScribbler: @jeannevb Ooooooo... I did that once and Act 3 was a disaster! #scriptchat
12:49 am brionykidd: @readerproof Yes, I agree....but seems to always come up in sort of scripts I write, so thought should try to do some work on it #scriptchat
12:49 am DevonEllington: @yeah_write I find when I trust my characters, they lead me to the best places. #scriptchat
12:49 am jeannevb: @KageyNYC & I r testing new kind of "collaboration". I think u'll like it @GinySassenach. Will discuss on writing partner night #scriptchat
12:49 am brionykidd: RT @sunspotpictures: @brionykidd seems the most powerful character learning epiphanies are subtle ones, because they force aud to ponder significance #scriptchat
12:49 am ScriptScribbler: RT @Todfilm: Write drunk, edit sober - Ernest Hemmingway #scriptchat
12:50 am Jonathan_Peace: I just saw that the writer of Killers (@thembob) is now following me. Wow. What a great night! #scriptchat
12:50 am jeannevb: I wrote the book ;) RT @dklon: @jeannevb So you use the Patron beat sheet method too, eh? #scriptchat
12:50 am yeah_write: While everyone is still here. Mark your calendars for next Sunday when our guest will be @thembob writer of feature film KILLERS #scriptchat
12:50 am brionykidd: @SunspotPictures I like that idea. So maybe you're not really sure what it means at that moment, but you start to ponder it. #scriptchat
12:50 am yeah_write: So true! RT @DevonEllington: @yeah_write I find when I trust my characters, they lead me to the best places. #scriptchat
12:50 am jeannevb: @bfogle75 I used notecards after the 1st draft to see how I could move scenes around, pick up pace & change stakes #scriptchat
12:50 am Jonathan_Peace: Here, here. (or is that Hear, Hear!) RT @Todfilm: Write drunk, edit sober - Ernest Hemmingway #scriptchat
12:50 am dianewms: @jeannevb "What about being 3 sheets to the wind before hitting the keys?" #scriptchat -- yeah, that's what I need!
12:50 am jeannevb: @bfogle75 it was 1st time I had used them. Loved it! :) #scriptchat
12:51 am yeah_write: I love Hemmingway for that statement. RT @ScriptScribbler: RT @Todfilm: Write drunk, edit sober - Ernest Hemmingway #scriptchat
12:51 am Todfilm: We all know Act 2 is the most difficult part of the script to get right. At least it is for me. #scriptchat
12:51 am dwacon: @jeannevb STC is very good in building character background -- Michael Hauge has another good technique that I use. #scriptchat
12:51 am sunspotpictures: @brionykidd Yes, exactly. Very gratifying for an audience member to "get it" #scriptchat
12:51 am jeannevb: fyi, if you're new to the chat, don't fret, TRANSCRIPT is posted on our blog after http://scriptchat.com #scriptchat
12:51 am KageyNYC: All the fun, none of the grief! RT @jeannevb: @KageyNYC & I r testing new kind of "collaboration". #scriptchat
12:51 am Jonathan_Peace: See my last tweet LOL RT @yeah_write: Mark your calendars for next Sunday when our guest will be @thembob writer of KILLERS #scriptchat
12:52 am yeah_write: I write everything out longhand in a notebook. Number the scenes, then put them on a "board" in my notebook. #scriptchat
12:52 am bfogle75: I'm not a huge fan of Snyder's book. The guy wrote lame movies, and his formula is just that...a formula. #scriptchat
12:52 am brionykidd: @Phobophilia Agree...difficult though because it's imperative the aud gets it, can't be ambiguous if it's a plot point. #scriptchat
12:52 am sam_gurney: @DevonEllington Yeah I've gotten some great scenes out of just following my characters. Important to have boundaries though. #scriptchat
12:52 am FilmThreat: Edit!?! RT @Todfilm: Write drunk, edit sober - Ernest Hemmingway #scriptchat
12:52 am GCGeek: YES! RT @jeannevb: @KageyNYC @GinySassenach. & I r testing new kind of "collaboration". Will discuss on writing partner night #scriptchat
12:52 am KageyNYC: RT @yeah_write: While everyone is here. Mark ur calendars for nxt Sunday - guest will be @thembob writer of feature film KILLERS #scriptchat
12:52 am ElysabethW: RT @yeah_write:I love Hemmingway for that statement RT @ScriptScribbler RT @Todfilm: Write drunk, edit sober - Ernest Hemmingway #scriptchat
12:52 am GinySassenach: @Shanipedia Thanks will do. #scriptchat
12:52 am jeannevb: @dwacon Love Michael Hauge's roadmap. Live by it. #scriptchat
12:52 am HollyGhere: WHAT are you talking about?! RT @GinySassenach: This is last tweet until #scriptchat the twitter police are on my tail.
12:52 am jeannevb: :) RT @KageyNYC: All the fun, none of the grief! RT @jeannevb: @KageyNYC & I r testing new kind of "collaboration". #scriptchat
12:52 am dianewms: @jeannevb #scriptchat Since I'm writing a based on true story script, my character has to be based on his actions. I have no dialog to use.
12:53 am GCGeek: In Ink. RT @yeah_write: Mark your calendars for next Sunday when our guest will be @thembob writer of feature film KILLERS #scriptchat
12:53 am brionykidd: @SunspotPictures Well, that is promising idea. Seems like they would do that a lot on shows like THE WIRE...not spoonfeeding.#scriptchat
12:53 am jeannevb: @thembob is NEXT WEEK's #scriptchat GUEST! Bio here: http://bit.ly/9dwVWM
12:53 am Jonathan_Peace: @yeah_write I've just made it 'policy' to write rough drafts longhand now. #scriptchat
12:53 am jeannevb: @dianewms we had no dialogue for #slaverybyanothername either. Also true events. Loved it. #scriptchat
12:54 am art1032: A smartboard would be so nice for outlining :) @jeannevb @bfogle75 it was 1st time I had used them. Loved it! :) #scriptchat
12:54 am Todfilm: Another concept of Aristotle is that conflict derives from the character of the lead actor. Their choices cause the crisis. #scriptchat
12:54 am dklon: Careful when you go to a bar. You never know when the editor for a paper is sitting next to you. #scriptchat
12:54 am Loglinecreator: @Jonathan_Peace, if you're writing a beat sheet check out my Synopsis Engine, http://bit.ly/dapeyT #scriptchat #screenwriting #indiefilm
12:54 am jeannevb: YES! RT @art1032: A smartboard would be so nice for outlining :) @jeannevb @bfogle75 it was 1st time I had used them. Loved it! #scriptchat
12:54 am yeah_write: I know @thembob is really looking forward to being our guest. Be sure to tweet it out this week. #scriptchat
12:54 am jeannevb: 5 more minutes... man, this flew #scriptchat
12:54 am theworldhour: RT @Jonathan_Peace: Here, here. (or is that Hear, Hear!) RT @Todfilm: Write drunk, edit sober - Ernest Hemmingway #scriptchat
12:54 am sam_gurney: @dianewms Always room for artistic license though! #scriptchat
12:54 am LiaKeyes: @jeannevb Is there a link to Michael Hauge's roadmap? #ScriptChat
12:55 am bfogle75: @jeannevb Sweet! Tried the latest version of Final Draft? Best feature is the notecard drag and drop. #scriptchat
12:55 am jeannevb: RT @Todfilm: Another concept of Aristotle is conflict derives fr character of the lead actor. Their choices cause the crisis. #scriptchat
12:55 am brionykidd: @nortypig Reminds me of the push/pull in Hitchcock films, VERTIGO shot (also in JAWS)...good philosophy for horror/thrillers. #scriptchat
12:55 am yeah_write: I am dying from the smell of bug spray. But it's either that or mosquito bites or go inside. I like it out here. #scriptchat
12:55 am Jonathan_Peace: 2am here in UK.... got a few hrs before have to 'hand' in rough draft of script to director. Time for Signs/The Happening #scriptchat
12:55 am jeannevb: @Todfilm I dig that. U have me thinking ;) #Aristotle #scriptchat
12:55 am GCGeek: Can you develop writing partner like a great character? Or kill 'em off? RT @KageyNYC: All the fun, none of the grief! @jeannevb #scriptchat
12:56 am kingisafink: RT @jeannevb: @thembob is NEXT WEEK's #scriptchat GUEST! Bio here: http://bit.ly/9dwVWM
12:56 am dianewms: Next Sunday guest will be @thembob writer of KILLERS #scriptchat I liked Killers & #TomSelleck. Just got DVD. Like #RobLuketic too.
12:56 am jeannevb: I created one in Word. DM me ur email & I'll send it ;) RT @LiaKeyes: @jeannevb Is there a link to Michael Hauge's roadmap? #ScriptChat
12:56 am Todfilm: Example: The Matrix, it is in Neo's character to have to figure things out and that leads him to the central crisis. #scriptchat
12:56 am GinySassenach: In script I started with one character being the main one then while writing another cropped up just as important....What to do? #scriptchat
12:56 am jeannevb: I think I'm about to be in #twitterjail #scriptchat
12:56 am dianewms: @yeah_write Use a citronella candle? #scriptchat
12:56 am LiaKeyes: RT @Todfilm: Another concept of Aristotle is conflict derives fr character of the lead actor. Their choices cause the crisis. #scriptchat
12:56 am yeah_write: If you are attending next week's chat with @thembob, get here early to get a good seat. lol #scriptchat
12:57 am brionykidd: @Andrew_W_Harper The moment where they finally "get it" ie. could be major reveal or that they finally understand emotionally #scriptchat
12:57 am CtKscribe: I think everyone should write amazing characters & plots that make me quiver. But I don't know if that's too much to ask? #ScriptChat
12:57 am Todfilm: Many situations in movies where most people would walk away and give up. But for this person, they can't b/c of who they are. #scriptchat
12:57 am sam_gurney: @Jonathan_Peace You're a trooper. More JD will help. #scriptchat
12:57 am SilverScriptz: @jeannevb Thanks so much for the invite... wanted to get that in b/f closing time! Cheers, Kaz #scriptchat
12:57 am Andrew_W_Harper: @brionykidd @SunspotPictures @brionykidd #scriptchat must also be composed of already existing script elements or it's a deus ex machina
12:58 am Jonathan_Peace: Question: do we write our scripts or do they write us? #scriptchat
12:58 am GinySassenach: Loved it @dianewms Next Sunday guest will be @thembob writer of KILLERS #scriptchat I liked Killers & #TomSelleck. ust got DVD. #scriptchat
12:58 am SharkGoddess: SharkGoddess @Todfilm Right or wrong the characters choice should propel the plot forward #Scriptchat
12:58 am jeannevb: @SilverScriptz *smooch* #scriptchat
12:58 am dianewms: @jeannevb #slaverybyanothername Is it sold? In production? Available to read? #scriptchat
12:58 am yeah_write: @dianewms I have that too. The mosquitoes in Iowa are mutant. Cross between fairies and vampires. Hard to kill. lol #scriptchat
12:58 am Jonathan_Peace: @yeah_write Booking it now!! #scriptchat
12:58 am jeannevb: Some great nuggets tonight, everyone! #scriptchat
12:58 am Todfilm: @GinySassenach Don't fight the story. Go with where it leads you. It may be more interesting in the long run. #scriptchat
12:58 am GinySassenach: @yeah_write Now Im nervous....will have to be here extra early for seat next to #treefort and @thembob #scriptchat
12:59 am SharkGoddess: @CtKscribe It's harder than you might think. #scriptchat
12:59 am bfogle75: Fo sho! RT @jeannevb: Some great nuggets tonight, everyone! #scriptchat
12:59 am Jonathan_Peace: btw: does anyone else get those: just finished a script blues? #scriptchat
12:59 am yeah_write: @jeannevb will be in twitter jail soon, but she'll reappear as her alter ego. #scriptchat
12:59 am sunspotpictures: Good point! RT @Andrew_W_Harper: @brionykidd #scriptchat must also be composed of already existing script elements or it's a deus ex machina
12:59 am SharkGoddess: I'm trying to show a man who is the ultimate evil, any thoughts? He's a vampire, elite background. #scriptchat
12:59 am dianewms: @yeah_write What time does #scriptchat start Sept. 20? 7pm Eastern?
12:59 am jeannevb: @dianewms not sold, but being read by prod co's ;) #slaverybyanothername #scriptchat
12:59 am DanaFukazawa: RT @FilmThreat: Edit!?! RT @Todfilm: Write drunk, edit sober - Ernest Hemmingway #scriptchat
12:59 am CtKscribe: ;) C'mon, Genius is a dime a dozen! No? RT @SharkGoddess: @CtKscribe It's harder than you might think. #scriptchat
12:59 am Jonathan_Peace: Thanks to uber-pimpangel @jeannevb fpor another great #scriptchat #scriptchat
1:00 am booksbelow: @jeannevb Where's the link to your article on editing? #scriptchat
1:00 am KageyNYC: @GCGeek We're running it like getting advice from your mom: Listen to her but in the end do whatever the hell you want @jeannevb #scriptchat
1:00 am Jonathan_Peace: RT @Todfilm: @GinySassenach Dont fight the story. Go with where it leads you. It may be more interesting in the long run. #scriptchat
1:00 am jeannevb: @dianewms if u want to talk about adapting true story, DM me ur email. Happy to tell u our process. #slaverybyanothername #scriptchat
1:00 am GinySassenach: Oh no now 9:00! #scriptchat
1:00 am brionykidd: @Andrew_W_Harper How do you write that moment so it's not obvious/preachy, without big close up of eyes lighting up & 'aha!' #scriptchat
1:00 am jeannevb: It'll be live tomorrow on @PeevishPenman :) RT @booksbelow: @jeannevb Where's the link to your article on editing? #scriptchat
1:00 am sam_gurney: ?@Jonathan_Peace: Question: do we write our scripts or do they write us? #scriptchat *head explodes*
1:00 am dwacon: This was fun. Thanks, all. Off to brew my cuppa pomegranate green tea. #scriptchat
1:00 am GinySassenach: @Shanipedia One is the antagonist #scriptchat
1:01 am jeannevb: Don't forget @thembob next week! #scriptchat
1:01 am Jonathan_Peace: I need gratuitous firepower and possibly flagrant nudity. Suggestions? #scriptchat
1:01 am brionykidd: @Andrew_W_Harper Yes, definitely. You have to have put the info in there somewhere leading up to epiphany #scriptchat
1:01 am jeannevb: 9/19 8pm ET RT @dianewms: @yeah_write What time does #scriptchat start Sept. 20? 7pm Eastern? #scriptchat
1:01 am SharkGoddess: Learned alot. I'll have to go back over it all and ponder.. Ultimately every writer must find what works best for them, right? #scriptchat
1:01 am bfogle75: @SharkGoddess have him eat a child. #scriptchat
1:02 am jeannevb: *shiver* Say it isn't so! Handcuffs are off now, people. Run wild & free! RT @GinySassenach: Oh no now 9:00! #scriptchat
1:02 am LiaKeyes: Yeah, baby! :) RT @Jonathan_Peace: Thanks to uber-pimpangel @jeannevb fpor another great #scriptchat #scriptchat
1:02 am SharkGoddess: @CtKscribe If it were only that easy. #scriptchat
1:02 am jeannevb: *curtsy* RT @LiaKeyes: Yeah, baby! :) RT @Jonathan_Peace: Thanks to uber-pimpangel @jeannevb fpor another great #scriptchat #scriptchat
1:02 am GCGeek: Punchline overload RT @CtKscribe: I think everyone should write amazing characters & plots that make me quiver-too much to ask? #scriptchat
1:02 am yeah_write: @dianewms It's Sept. 19th and always at 5pm PST #scriptchat
1:02 am GinySassenach: Thanks again to @jeannevb and #treefort and all the wondeful people on tonight! #scriptchat
1:03 am jeannevb: fyi, @LiaKeyes is in the house, moderator of @scribechat on Thursday nights. Last chat talked pushing past fears in writing #scriptchat
1:03 am bfogle75: @Jonathan_Peace Only if I read my draft. #scriptchat
1:03 am GCGeek: I like that! I'm sure it's great advice, too. Really looking forward to it. @KageyNYC: @jeannevb #scriptchat
1:03 am jeannevb: HAHA RT @bfogle75: @SharkGoddess have him eat a child. #scriptchat
1:03 am Todfilm: @SharkGoddess I love writing bad guys. I think all great villains have an essence of twisted humanity that we can identify with. #scriptchat
1:03 am sam_gurney: Holy crap, all that reading & thinking was just what I needed. Thanks #scriptchat Sleep now?
1:03 am SharkGoddess: @Shanipedia Okay, got you. Thank you! Ive; got alot to learn.. #scriptchat
1:04 am Jonathan_Peace: @SharkGoddess Definatelty. for my 'rules' of screenwriting hit my blog at http://jonathan-peace.posterouos.com (blatant pimp) #scriptchat
1:04 am Andrew_W_Harper: @brionykidd use sound more? Epiphany is lateral in nature. Revelation is already there; one sees it differently to notice it. #scriptchat
1:04 am Todfilm: @SharkGoddess And most evil people don't think of themselves as evil. They have justified their actions to themselves. #scriptchat
1:04 am RickRapier: Me too. RT @jeannevb: I'm a big believer in plotting beforehand. Had a 31-page scene-by-scene outline for #slaverybyanothername #scriptchat
1:04 am Jonathan_Peace: RT @GinySassenach: Thanks again to @jeannevb and #treefort and all the wondeful people on tonight! #scriptchat
1:04 am Shanipedia: @GinySassenach they can be equally important/interesting. Look at Die Hard. Just try to make them near complete opposites. #scriptchat
1:04 am writeononline: THX @jeannevb PIMP commercial if ur LA writer @writeononline has writing retreat soon http://writeontrackla.com/writing-retreat/ #scriptchat
1:05 am SharkGoddess: @bfogle75 Well he does, rape a child, 17? But eat one, yes, I think that'd be good..Thanks! #scriptchat
1:05 am jeannevb: *curtsy* ur welcome RT @GinySassenach: Thanks again to @jeannevb and #treefort and all the wondeful people on tonight! #scriptchat
1:05 am GinySassenach: @Shanipedia Thanks for all the help! #scriptchat
1:05 am jamesgalenz: RT @yeah_write: If you aren't putting your character in deeper, and then even deeper shit, you aren't developing your plot. #scriptchat
1:05 am scripteach: Amen to that! RT @jeannevb: I'm a big believer in plotting beforehand. Had a 31-page scene-by-scene outline for SBAN #scriptchat
1:05 am yeah_write: Thanks everyone for another wonderful #scriptchat Now I must go for a run. Good night.
1:05 am LiaKeyes: *Waves* Thanks for the welcome! RT @jeannevb: fyi, @LiaKeyes is in the house, moderator of #scribechat on Thursday nights. #scriptchat
1:06 am brionykidd: RT @Andrew_W_Harper: @brionykidd use sound more? Epiphany is lateral in nature. Revelation is already there; one sees it differently to notice it. #scriptchat
1:06 am jeannevb: Sorry if I missed anyone's @'s ... drinking, chatting & moderating ain't easy ;) Clearly, I'm a very developed character #scriptchat
1:06 am RickRapier: My life keeps getting in the way of #scriptchat! For me, character & theme definitely drive the plot.
1:06 am Jonathan_Peace: @SharkGoddess try http://jonathan-peace.posterous.com instead. Damn Mr D!! #scriptchat
1:07 am bfogle75: @SharkGoddess Winner! #scriptchat
1:07 am brionykidd: @Andrew_W_Harper That's good. Lateral ways to reveal being actually more realistic #scriptchat
1:07 am jeannevb: @scripteach always late for the party... you hanging out at H&M again? :) #scriptchat
1:07 am Shanipedia: @GinySassenach np hope it helps. never stop writing at the end of a scene, either. #scriptchat
1:07 am TheWriteScript: Thanks, everyone! See you all next time. #scriptchat
1:07 am jeannevb: @yeah_write night, Jamie! :) xo #scriptchat
1:07 am RickRapier: But in weird way, plot dictates character at the outset. I look at how premise can best be exploited by right character. #scriptchat
1:07 am Jonathan_Peace: @yeah_write A run... it's 2am.... oh wait... I'm a damn Brit! LOL #timezonemadness #scriptchat
1:07 am SharkGoddess: @Todfilm Great thought! Yes, he has a strong sense of family might be the only humanity left in him, I'll push that. #scriptchat
1:08 am jeannevb: Going quiet for bit to see if transcript is working... chat away, but save some tequila for me ;) #scriptchat
1:08 am brionykidd: Yes! so it's knowing your theme I guess RT @Phobophilia foreshadow it with a key word or phrase earlier in story, perhaps? #scriptchat
1:08 am SharkGoddess: RT @Todfilm: @SharkGoddess I love writing bad guys. I think all great villains have an essence of twisted humanity that we can identify with. #scriptchat
1:08 am GCGeek: Thanks! RT @GinySassenach: Thanks again to @jeannevb and #treefort and all the wondeful people on tonight! @yeah_write @KageyNYC #scriptchat
1:09 am Todfilm: Gnight all. Twas fun. #scriptchat
1:09 am GCGeek: Fave character! RT @jeannevb: ... drinking, chatting & moderating aint easy ;) Clearly, Im a very developed character #scriptchat
1:09 am dianewms: #scriptchat Sunday, Sept. 19 at 8 pm with Killers screenwriter @thembob, Bob DeRosa!
1:09 am scripteach: Ha-ha! Literally just got home from Adirondacks. RT @jeannevb: always late for the party... you hanging out at H&M again? :) #scriptchat
1:10 am brionykidd: @Phobophilia Yes, it's the neonlit part that worries me. I guess it's just skill & experience #scriptchat
1:10 am KageyNYC: Amen, brother. RT @RickRapier: My life keeps getting in the way of #scriptchat! For me, character & theme definitely drive the plot.
1:10 am Jonathan_Peace: Okay all. Gotta go get these last pages checked over. Love to all, and remember... Keep It Simple... #scriptchat
1:10 am LConoscenti: RT @Todfilm: Another concept of Aristotle is that conflict derives from the character of the lead actor. Their choices cause the crisis. #scriptchat
1:11 am brionykidd: Thanks #scriptchat !!!
1:11 am SilverScriptz: G'night all... *grabs the mop and cleans the floor - whistlin' a happy tune* #scriptchat
1:11 am jeannevb: Excellent. Transcript is working. Off to tuck the kids in. Thanks again for joining us tonight! #scriptchat
1:11 am KageyNYC: I got a hubby, booze and a full DVR. Goodnight #scriptchat. Peace!
1:11 am SharkGoddess: @Jonathan_Peace OK, thank you very much. I'm just starting out #scriptchat
1:12 am jeannevb: Will post transcript in next 30 minutes. See you all with @thembob next Sunday. As always, you guys were amazing. #scriptchat
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