#Scriptchat TOPIC: How to tell if your script is ready to pitch to producers… or in the garbage.
Tonight’s chat presented with lots of litmus-test ideas for a script’s readiness. As always, please read both the EURO and USA chats, as the advice often differs across the pond… as do our choices of chat beverage ;) Enjoy! @jeannevb
USA moderator:
@jeannevb, Jeanne Veillette Bowerman
EURO CHAT:
8:00 pm DreamsGrafter: #SCRIPTCHAT O'Clock!
8:01 pm DreamsGrafter: TONIGHT's topic: How to tell if ur script is ready to pitch to producers... or the garbage can! #scriptchat
8:01 pm DreamsGrafter: This is something that I'm figuring out myself, so don't have a wealth of opinions. #scriptchat
8:02 pm filmutopia: Dear tweeps. Sorry for the volume and weirdness of tweets for the next hour. It's #scriptchat a hashtag conversation for screenwriters
8:02 pm DreamsGrafter: Does anyone have any thoughts about when they think their script is ready to send out/pitch to producers? #scriptchat
8:02 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @filmutopia: Dear tweeps. Sorry for the volume and weirdness of tweets for the next hour. It's #scriptchat a hashtag conversation for screenwriters
8:03 pm olilewington: RT @filmutopia: Dear tweeps. Sorry for the volume and weirdness of tweets for the next hour. It's #scriptchat a hashtag conversation for screenwriters
8:03 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat I really believe in professional script reports and coverage. I don't talk to anyone until I've had good feedback from a reader
8:04 pm DreamsGrafter: Does any1 else find tht when they send their script out, they realise tht there's so much more they need 2 do on their script? #scriptchat
8:04 pm scribe_diatribe: @DreamsGrafter Maybe knowing comes with experience.... I ALWAYS think something is ready... until the next time I read it! #scriptchat
8:04 pm DreamsGrafter: So when is it the time to actually stop rewriting and just send your script out? #scriptchat
8:04 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @filmutopia: #scriptchat I really believe in professional script reports and coverage. I don't talk to anyone until I've had good feedback from a reader
8:04 pm olilewington: Evening all - I'm a 1st timer in here, pls be nice! #scriptchat
8:04 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @scribe_diatribe: @DreamsGrafter Maybe knowing comes with experience.... I ALWAYS think something is ready... until the next time I read it! #scriptchat
8:05 pm solshine7: Ditto. RT @DreamsGrafter So when is it the time to actually stop rewriting and just send your script out? #scriptchat
8:05 pm jeannevb: Hi EURO lot! #scriptchat
8:05 pm thewritertype: @DreamsGrafter #scriptchat Every time, I think Aha, this time I'll write the final draft first! But guess what?
8:05 pm scribe_diatribe: Agreed!!! RT @filmutopia: I really believe in professional script reports and coverage. #scriptchat
8:05 pm olilewington: I think "knowing" is one of the hardest things to judge on a script. What's "finished" and what's "good enough"? #scriptchat
8:05 pm jeannevb: @olilewington welcome! We don't bite... that happens at the USA chat later ;) #scriptchat
8:05 pm DreamsGrafter: @filmutopia So you keep rewriting until you get a pass from a professional reader? ... #scriptchat - I guess it is that easy. Ha!
8:06 pm DreamsGrafter: @thewritertype So you've finished the script. You think it's good. But you don't' send it out straight away? Do you wait? #scriptchat
8:06 pm scribe_diatribe: @DreamsGrafter I think that their opinion is not the b-all and end-all... but they can identify specific problems exist still. #scriptchat
8:07 pm DreamsGrafter: @thewritertype And if so, what for? Feedback or distance from your script? #scriptchat
8:07 pm jeannevb: My standards for pitching have gone up since I started. Now I wont pitch anything unless I've gotten multiple readers liking it #scriptchat
8:08 pm DreamsGrafter: @scribe_diatribe Totally agree re experience. Or letting ppl with the experience to let you know. #scriptchat
8:08 pm jeannevb: I do think distance fr script helps a lot. Step back a couple weeks... or month... read it again. Flaws will pop. #scriptchat
8:08 pm olilewington: @jeannevb But which readers' opinions do you value enough to know that? #scriptchat
8:08 pm DreamsGrafter: @scribe_diatribe Am learning that the first flush of excitement that a script is finished doesn't mean it's ready. Ha! #scriptchat
8:08 pm HayleyMckenzie1: If a writer asks me straight out if it's ready to send to producers/agents then I'll always give an honest answer #scriptchat
8:08 pm scribe_diatribe: @jeannevb do you use just 'professional' or friends/family to make that call too? #scriptchat
8:08 pm authorViviAnna: RT @filmutopia: #scriptchat I really believe in professional script reports and coverage. I don't talk to anyone until I've had good feedback from a reader
8:08 pm filmutopia: @DreamsGrafter #scriptchat - I try to have a couple of readers who I know and trust and one industry person who doesn't know me
8:09 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @jeannevb: My standards for pitching have gone up since I started. Now I wont pitch anything unless I've gotten multiple readers liking it #scriptchat
8:09 pm DreamsGrafter: @jeannevb Such a patience game isn't it? ... ;) #scriptchat
8:09 pm HayleyMckenzie1: If I find one through ScriptAngel that is stand-out brilliant and really excites me then I'll pick it up and run with it. #scriptchat
8:09 pm olilewington: I also find distance is good - often try to write a new project 1st draft, then revisited the other one's 1st afterwards. #scriptchat
8:09 pm jeannevb: @olilewington I have a great group now... took yrs to find. But I also have prof readers I'm using now who I respect #scriptchat
8:09 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @filmutopia: @DreamsGrafter #scriptchat - I try to have a couple of readers who I know and trust and one industry person who doesn't know me
8:09 pm authorViviAnna: I've so far gotten 5 reads on my script, I'm in the process of doing a 2nd smaller rewrite, I believe I'll be ready then #scriptchat
8:10 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @HayleyMckenzie1: If a writer asks me straight out if it's ready to send to producers/agents then I'll always give an honest answer #scriptchat
8:10 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb Distance always helps, extra eyes too #scriptchat
8:10 pm jeannevb: YES! ;) RT @DreamsGrafter: @jeannevb Such a patience game isnt it? ... ;) #scriptchat
8:10 pm rachlanger: @jeannevb I am terrified even to send something to a reader sometimes until I feel its really ready. #scriptchat
8:10 pm HayleyMckenzie1: good advice! RT @filmutopia: #scriptchat - I try to have couple of readers who I know and trust and one industry person who doesn't know me
8:11 pm jeannevb: Next Sunday, we're having prof reader panel... u might find some1 there to try ;) http://bit.ly/9eKmuQ #scriptchat
8:11 pm thewritertype: @DreamsGrafter #scriptchat Agree about readings; their job is to show you what you didn't see; your job is to see it, then write again.
8:11 pm DreamsGrafter: @filmutopia Yeah, I like that. Three different pov's. But if two ppl say yes, it's' ready and one doesn't. What do you do? #scriptchat
8:11 pm authorViviAnna: I have two peer readers and I use script coverage for reads as well #scriptchat
8:11 pm olilewington: I have to say, I love reading others' screenplays and offering constructive feedback - it informs my own writing #scriptchat
8:11 pm scribe_diatribe: @thewritertype although sometimes... you kinda know... but just choose to 'ignore' the problem... #scriptchat
8:12 pm DreamsGrafter: @rachlanger If you can't go any further with the script, that's probably a good time to send the script to a reader. #scriptchat
8:12 pm jeannevb: @scribe_diatribe if its friends, its ONLY friends who dont blow smoke up my ass. Prof's can do that too, so choose wisely #scriptchat
8:12 pm HayleyMckenzie1: @rachlanger us professional script editors don't bite - promise! #scriptchat
8:12 pm filmutopia: @DreamsGrafter #scriptchat - I trust my instincts. I don't always agree with script reports or with readers. My project, my call.
8:12 pm PennyAsh: @rachlanger Depends, I have some I send finished stuff and one I trust absolutely I send the first draft stuff #scriptchat
8:12 pm olilewington: Depends what they think is wrong.. RT @DreamsGrafter: @filmutopia But if two ppl say it's' ready & one doesn't. What do you do? #scriptchat
8:12 pm UncompletedWork: RT @rachlanger: am terrified to send script to reader til I feel it's ready #scriptchat [go for it, never ready unless you vet your work]
8:12 pm jeannevb: @PennyAsh Distance is key. I dont even read past scenes while I write first draft so its fresh when I sit down to read it full #scriptchat
8:12 pm scribe_diatribe: @jeannevb LOL I WISH I had friends that DID blow smoke up my ass! #scriptchat
8:13 pm jeannevb: @scribe_diatribe lol... ask ur mum ;) #scriptchat
8:13 pm DreamsGrafter: Tonight's chat seems to be a good lead up to next week's script consultancy panel #scriptchat: http://scriptchat.com/
8:13 pm jeannevb: @rachlanger send it to @covermyscript or @UncompletedWork ;) #scriptchat
8:13 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @UncompletedWork: RT @rachlanger: am terrified to send script to reader til I feel it's ready #scriptchat [go for it, never ready unless you vet your work]
8:14 pm authorViviAnna: RT @filmutopia: @DreamsGrafter #scriptchat - I trust my instincts. I don't always agree with script reports or with readers. My project, my call.
8:14 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @HayleyMckenzie1: good advice! RT @filmutopia: #scriptchat - I try to have couple of readers who I know and trust and one industry person who doesn't know me
8:14 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb Yep, And sometimes I'm pleasantly surprised to fine some of it is actually good :) #scriptchat
8:14 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @thewritertype: @DreamsGrafter #scriptchat Agree about readings; their job is to show you what you didn't see; your job is to see it, then write again.
8:14 pm scribe_diatribe: @jeannevb My mum was pretty critical! lol... jeez they must be baaad scripts! :) #scriptchat
8:15 pm jeannevb: @filmutopia I don't always agree w readers either but sometimes they give advice & I feel stupid for not seeing it myself before #scriptchat
8:15 pm davidpbaker: RT @DreamsGrafter Tonight's chat seems to be a good lead up to next week's script consultancy panel #scriptchat: http://scriptchat.com/
8:15 pm jeannevb: @scribe_diatribe haha... u gotta liquor up your readers more ;) #scriptchat
8:15 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat - The thing with notes is, if they are right it is usually obvious. If they don't feel right there is normally another problem
8:15 pm jeannevb: haha RT @PennyAsh: @jeannevb Yep, And sometimes I'm pleasantly surprised to fine some of it is actually good :) #scriptchat
8:16 pm scribe_diatribe: I've used other writers... can be good - sometimes more specific in criticism than just friends/family/mum! #scriptchat
8:16 pm DreamsGrafter: @filmutopia It's always interesting to see if readers pick up on the same points. #scriptchat
8:16 pm DreamsGrafter: @davidpbaker Thanks David! #scriptchat
8:16 pm jeannevb: I need to multitask & prep dinner. Can't wait for u EURO's to move your clocks already! Is that soon? #scriptchat
8:16 pm scribe_diatribe: @DreamsGrafter I often get people say the diametric OPPOSITE!!! lol #scriptchat
8:16 pm HayleyMckenzie1: Getting prof script feedback does cost so it's ok to find just one whose opinion u totally trust & ask if they think it's ready #scriptchat
8:17 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat - my experience is that readers almost always give contradictory notes. Sometimes it's hilarious.
8:17 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb @filmutopia The thing is to learn when to take advice and when to toss it out, not always easy to do #scriptchat
8:17 pm olilewington: Very true RT @filmutopia: #scriptchat - The thing with notes is, if right it is obvious. If they don't feel right there is another problem
8:17 pm UncompletedWork: RT @authorViviAnna: two readers I've gotten that have been extremely helpful have been @covermyscript and @GoldenAgeofGeek #scriptchat
8:18 pm DreamsGrafter: What happens if it's been a couple of years w/ the same script? Do u keep working on it? Or just put it 2 the side for a while? #scriptchat
8:18 pm rachlanger: @jeannevb Yes @uncompletedwork and @covermyscript are fabulous. Mostly I'm too budget to afford coverage until I'm good & ready #scriptchat
8:18 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @PennyAsh: @jeannevb @filmutopia The thing is to learn when to take advice and when to toss it out, not always easy to do #scriptchat
8:18 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb Always a nice feeling when you realize "Hey this is good" LOL #scriptchat
8:18 pm scribe_diatribe: @PennyAsh Yep.. it comes back to what @filmutopia said about trusting your own instinct and 'story'. #scriptchat
8:19 pm DreamsGrafter: Great to see @UncompletedWork and @olilewington at Euro #Scriptchat!
8:19 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @HayleyMckenzie1: Getting prof script feedback does cost so it's ok to find just one whose opinion u totally trust & ask if they think it's ready #scriptchat
8:19 pm olilewington: @DreamsGrafter Great to be here! It's fab! #scriptchat
8:20 pm DreamsGrafter: @olilewington I'm following you now! ;) #scriptchat
8:20 pm jeannevb: @olilewington you should check out our blog for past transcripts www.scriptchat.com ;) TONS of resources there too #scriptchat
8:20 pm UncompletedWork: RT @DreamsGrafter: Great to see @UncompletedWork and @olilewington at Euro #Scriptchat! [I just stopped in for a bit :-) Taking a day break]
8:20 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @scribe_diatribe: @PennyAsh Yep.. it comes back to what @filmutopia said about trusting your own instinct and 'story'. #scriptchat
8:21 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat - The other factor I consider is the relationship I have with the producer. That alters how polished the script is to pitch.
8:21 pm davidpbaker: writers, filmmakers, peeps are talking #scriptchat
8:21 pm scribe_diatribe: @rachlanger and I recommend @Bang2write - Lucy is great and cheap (in a good way!) #scriptchat
8:21 pm DreamsGrafter: I guess you can also overwrite a script? To the point that you break it. #scriptchat - so it's about know when to stop too.
8:21 pm olilewington: @DreamsGrafter I hope I keep it interesting enough - I should, with the next few projects coming up. #scriptchat
8:21 pm PennyAsh: @scribe_diatribe Exactly, and trusting yourself is a first step toward selling that book or script #scriptchat
8:21 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @filmutopia: #scriptchat - The other factor I consider is the relationship I have with the producer. That alters how polished the script is to pitch.
8:22 pm rachlanger: Thanks! RT @scribe_diatribe: @rachlanger and I recommend @Bang2write - Lucy is great and cheap (in a good way!) #scriptchat
8:22 pm FirstGlanceFilm: Get read by pro readers-FirstGlance Feature http://bit.ly/bNio5y Short Screenplay http://bit.ly/a9ud5J Contests Open #scriptchat #film
8:22 pm DreamsGrafter: @olilewington Cool, looking forward to hearing about them. :) #scriptchat
8:22 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @scribe_diatribe: @rachlanger and I recommend @Bang2write - Lucy is great and cheap (in a good way!) #scriptchat
8:22 pm thewritertype: @jeannevb #scriptchat I've never had a 'wrong' script report - only ones I didn't like.
8:22 pm authorViviAnna: RT @DreamsGrafter: I guess you can also overwrite a script? To the point that you break it. #scriptchat - so it's about know when to stop too.
8:22 pm olilewington: Knowing when you can improve & when to move on. RT @DreamsGrafter: you can also overwrite a script #scriptchat it's about know when to stop
8:23 pm PennyAsh: @DreamsGrafter Yes, you can overwork it until it's dead and the idea is gone #scriptchat
8:23 pm scribe_diatribe: @PennyAsh although I am always scared of being a X-factor contestant - you know the one that CAN'T sing but won't believe it! :) #scriptchat
8:23 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat - Of course it helps when you're a writer/producer. Although I'm very hard on myself at pitch meetings... Ha!
8:24 pm jeannevb: @thewritertype agree. Sometimes I dont like what I hear, but after digesting it, realize they're right.... it still needs work #scriptchat
8:24 pm HayleyMckenzie1: agree! RT @DreamsGrafter: I guess u can also overwrite a script? #scriptchat - so it's about know when to stop too.
8:24 pm olilewington: Aren't we all? RT @scribe_diatribe: always scared of being a X-factor contestant - the one that CAN'T sing but won't believe it!#scriptchat
8:24 pm PennyAsh: @scribe_diatribe LOL that alone assures you won't ever be like that I have the same fear of writing a Mary Sue #scriptchat
8:24 pm jeannevb: @olilewington @dreamsgrafter overwriting is DEF a problem... as is listening to too much advice and f'ing it up further #scriptchat
8:25 pm DreamsGrafter: HA! RT @thewritertype @jeannevb #scriptchat I've never had a 'wrong' script report - only ones I didn't like.
8:25 pm scribe_diatribe: I also recommend reading for other writers - it helps you write better - and you can get them to do the same back for you! #scriptchat
8:25 pm olilewington: @filmutopia Always find pitching myself is far too easy. I don't like to fight with me. #scriptchat
8:25 pm authorViviAnna: I rewrite until it's a prettier shinier version of my original vision #scriptchat if it becomes something else then I know I've gone 2 far
8:25 pm scribe_diatribe: @PennyAsh LOL no Mary Sue for Penny! #scriptchat
8:25 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @jeannevb: @olilewington @dreamsgrafter overwriting is DEF a problem... as is listening to too much advice and f'ing it up further #scriptchat
8:26 pm PennyAsh: @scribe_diatribe Nooo :) Mary Sue is evil #scriptchat
8:26 pm DreamsGrafter: @jeannevb Totally agree! You can listen to too many voices and lose sight of the story. #scriptchat
8:26 pm olilewington: Absolutely RT @scribe_diatribe: reading for other writers - helps you write better - and you can get them to do the same back #scriptchat
8:26 pm scribe_diatribe: @DreamsGrafter even taking advice seems to be a big learning experience - what to take, when to not take etc... it's a toughy #scriptchat
8:27 pm thewritertype: #scriptchat A script is never finished but sometimes you can't make it any better.
8:27 pm DreamsGrafter: Re submission my biggest lesson has been 2 not send a script off as soon as I've finished the draft. Give it a week or 2 first. #scriptchat
8:28 pm covermyscript: Hey, script chatters! Out with @janellerene painting her lawn furniture hot pink! Right on! Will be on later for #scriptchat. Xox
8:28 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @thewritertype: #scriptchat A script is never finished but sometimes you can't make it any better.
8:28 pm filmutopia: @olilewington #scriptchat Well, it's taken me four years to greenlight my ownconcept for production. I am harsh with my own projects.
8:28 pm julianfriedmann: @authorViviAnna Doesn't that mean that your original vision is beyond question? Can't it be wrong? #scriptchat
8:28 pm PennyAsh: @DreamsGrafter @jeannevb Yes, this is why you need a small number of trusted readers, don't let just anyone read it #scriptchat
8:28 pm DreamsGrafter: @scribe_diatribe Yes, I agree. That's why it's so important to know what your story is from the start. #scriptchat
8:29 pm olilewington: @filmutopia Wow, you are. Much harsher than me. Mind you, I've yet to greenlight myself yet, so maybe I'm not such a pushover #scriptchat
8:29 pm HayleyMckenzie1: Developing a good relationship with a prof script editor/producer can help you avoid too many voices problem. #scriptchat
8:29 pm julianfriedmann: @DreamsGrafter Too many other voices: the problem is they need to know exactly what your intention is before reviewing #scriptchat
8:29 pm DreamsGrafter: @scribe_diatribe I've written scripts thinking I knew what the story was but didn't so was confused when I received feedback. #scriptchat
8:29 pm olilewington: That's your moment, then, surely. RT @thewritertype: #scriptchat A script is never finished but sometimes you can't make it any better.
8:29 pm scribe_diatribe: @DreamsGrafter Yeah I think good outlining can really help with cutting down the re-writes... #scriptchat
8:29 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @HayleyMckenzie1: Developing a good relationship with a prof script editor/producer can help you avoid too many voices problem. #scriptchat
8:30 pm covermyscript: @rachlanger aww!! You're fab too! I'm not terribly $$$ but I'm also not going anywhere. Hit me up when ur ready. #scriptchat
8:30 pm julianfriedmann: I won't read a script or ms without knowing synopsis and intention; otherwise likely to bring myself into it rather than respond #scriptchat
8:30 pm jeannevb: In terms of "throwing it in garbage", is why I love outlining. I can see if it wont make a good script before writing damn thing #scriptchat
8:30 pm DreamsGrafter: AGREED! RT @PennyAsh Yes, this is why you need a small number of trusted readers, don't let just anyone read it #scriptchat
8:30 pm authorViviAnna: @julianfriedmann I always trust my vision of something #scriptchat doesn't mean I can't or wont' alter the way I get there
8:31 pm momentsoffilm: Hello all at #scriptchat ~ I'm dropping in late today. Some great points being made. I think good notes are a Godsend if you can get them.
8:31 pm scribe_diatribe: @julianfriedmann interesting... so maybe we should be sending a synopsis to any potential script-reader? #scriptchat
8:31 pm julianfriedmann: One of biggest problems is being objective about your work ie seeing it as others will. Learn to do that and you win #scriptchat
8:32 pm DreamsGrafter: @jeannevb You're really thorough with your outlines aren't you. Great discipline to have! #AnotherPatienceGame #scriptchat
8:32 pm PennyAsh: @DreamsGrafter When my readers give me a "Wow, I love this" I know it's ready to go to an editor #scriptchat
8:32 pm DreamsGrafter: @momentsoffilm Hi Leliana ... Good to see you. :) #scriptchat
8:32 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @julianfriedmann: One of biggest problems is being objective about your work ie seeing it as others will. Learn to do that and you win #scriptchat
8:32 pm julianfriedmann: @thewritertype When you can't make it better do you believe it can still be made better? Get outside help #scriptchat
8:33 pm jeannevb: @DreamsGrafter this script now is 1st i've used detailed outline. I'd never do it any other way again. For ME, it works. #scriptchat
8:33 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @PennyAsh: @DreamsGrafter When my readers give me a "Wow, I love this" I know it's ready to go to an editor #scriptchat
8:33 pm UncompletedWork: UK #scriptchat my Article "Mental Spackle" about what to do when stuck in revision, published in @storydepth http://bit.ly/2DdEX8
8:33 pm PennyAsh: RT @julianfriedmann One of biggest problems is being objective about ur work ie see it as others will Learn to do that you win #scriptchat
8:33 pm jeannevb: @DreamsGrafter i'm at the last 20 scenes of first draft & am STILL tweaking outline haha! BUT, this draft will be like a 4th #scriptchat
8:33 pm julianfriedmann: @scribe_diatribe I prefer to include a synopsis/pitch so they know what to expect. They can always ignore it. #scriptchat
8:34 pm DreamsGrafter: @PennyAsh That must sound awesome to hear! ;) xo #scriptchat i.e. when they're caught in the story they're just enjoying it? #GOLD
8:34 pm HayleyMckenzie1: RT @julianfriedmann: @thewritertype When you can't make it better do you believe it can still be made better? Get outside help #scriptchat
8:34 pm olilewington: That's key - it HAS to work for you. RT @jeannevb: this script now is 1st i've used detailed outline. For ME, it works. #scriptchat
8:34 pm momentsoffilm: Yep! RT @julianfriedmann One of biggest problems is being objective about work, seeing it as others will. Learn that and you win #scriptchat
8:35 pm PennyAsh: @DreamsGrafter Yep :) Even better when the publisher says it :) #scriptchat #GOLD
8:35 pm DreamsGrafter: @jeannevb That's great! If anything because you know where your story is heading so each scene has a point. #scriptchat #noramblingscenes
8:35 pm thewritertype: @julianfriedmann #scriptchat Sure, just because I can't make it better doesn't mean it can't be better. Movies=collaboration.
8:35 pm julianfriedmann: TwelvePoint has many articles on script readers eg Reading a script: a guide to the mind of the reader by Lucy Scher . #scriptchat
8:36 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat - Nobody is ever truly objective, either about their own work or other people's. Most of this business is about experience.
8:36 pm olilewington: RT @thewritertype: @julianfriedmann #scriptchat Sure, just because I can't make it better doesn't mean it can't be better. Movies=collaboration.
8:36 pm UncompletedWork: OK Uk #scriptchat, I have to get back to editing this pilot.Thanks for the diversion!
8:36 pm PennyAsh: Best writing advice I ever got: You're words aren't gold, don't be afraid to cut or change #scriptchat
8:36 pm jeannevb: bottomline: U only get ONE chance to make a 1st impression....dont let urs smell like crap #scriptchat
8:36 pm julianfriedmann: @thewritertype And collaboration shd start early with a selling treatment to estab that the parties are making the same film etc #scriptchat
8:36 pm scribe_diatribe: hey... I'm gonna have to jump out... sorry... 'real people' situation... have fun... I'll be checking the transcript #scriptchat
8:36 pm DreamsGrafter: Yes! ;) RT @PennyAsh @DreamsGrafter Yep :) Even better when the publisher says it :) #scriptchat #GOLD
8:37 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @PennyAsh: Best writing advice I ever got: You're words aren't gold, don't be afraid to cut or change #scriptchat
8:37 pm julianfriedmann: @momentsoffilm I have developed a pitching workshop in wh participants are buyers wh teaches them to be objective abt own work #scriptchat
8:37 pm olilewington: @UncompletedWork You're welcome #scriptchat
8:37 pm DreamsGrafter: @UncompletedWork Good luck with the edit Merrel and thanks for dropping in! #scriptchat
8:37 pm Hans_Karl: RT @filmutopia #scriptchat - Nobody is ever truly objective, either about their own work or others. Most of this biz is about experience.
8:38 pm julianfriedmann: @jeannevb Talking of smelling some script submissions reek of slate tobacco smoke! #scriptchat
8:38 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @julianfriedmann: @thewritertype When you can't make it better do you believe it can still be made better? Get outside help #scriptchat
8:38 pm Chuklz: Its pretty easy to tell if its ready. Pitch your script to an Eight Year Old. If they get it, you're ready. #scriptchat
8:38 pm jeannevb: EWWW RT @julianfriedmann: @jeannevb Talking of smelling some script submissions reek of slate tobacco smoke! #scriptchat
8:39 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @thewritertype: @julianfriedmann #scriptchat Sure, just because I can't make it better doesn't mean it can't be better. Movies=collaboration.
8:39 pm julianfriedmann: @filmutopia The objectivity I like is to do with relating a script to similar shows on TV or movies and the market. #scriptchat
8:39 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @julianfriedmann: TwelvePoint has many articles on script readers eg Reading a script: a guide to the mind of the reader by Lucy Scher . #scriptchat
8:40 pm UncompletedWork: RT @olilewington: @UncompletedWork You're welcome #scriptchat [Follow you by the way!]
8:40 pm DreamsGrafter: @Chuklz Hi ya, that's the pitch but what about the actual script? When do you know your script is ready? #scriptchat
8:41 pm DreamsGrafter: @scribe_diatribe Thanks for jumping in! ;) Enjoyed reading your tweets. #scriptchat
8:41 pm pattyfantasia: RT @julianfriedmann: TwelvePoint has many articles on script readers eg Reading a script: a guide to the mind of the reader by Lucy Scher . #scriptchat
8:41 pm filmutopia: @julianfriedmann I think we're talking about the same thing. You call it objectivity, I call it experience and instinct #scriptchat
8:41 pm julianfriedmann: Bec so difficult to know when it is ready submit a 5th or later draft as a 2nd draft and say it is 2nd. #scriptchat
8:41 pm Chuklz: @dreamsgrafter When your script actually matches your pitch to the 8yo #scriptchat
8:41 pm jeannevb: Here's a new tip I learned. Before u pitch, write a 1pg synopsis. That will DEF show if something is missing in story! #scriptchat
8:42 pm julianfriedmann: Don't submit 17th draft saying 17th bec that = I don't want to do any more work on it. #scriptchat
8:42 pm HayleyMckenzie1: RT @filmutopia: @julianfriedmann I think we're talking about the same thing. You call it objectivity, I call it experience and instinct #scriptchat
8:42 pm joshuascriptmag: RT @jeannevb: Here's a new tip I learned. Before u pitch, write a 1pg synopsis. That will DEF show if something is missing in story! #scriptchat
8:42 pm scriptmag: RT @jeannevb: Here's a new tip I learned. Before u pitch, write a 1pg synopsis. That will DEF show if something is missing in story! #scriptchat
8:42 pm DreamsGrafter: *Heartbreaking* RT @thewritertype #scriptchat A script is never finished but sometimes you can't make it any better
8:42 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat - of course the real answer to the question "when is the script ready?" is "when the cheque clears, baby!"
8:42 pm julianfriedmann: @filmutopia Agree experience hones instinct; esp if experience also involves reading the trades, the BO and ratings regularly #scriptchat
8:43 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @julianfriedmann: Don't submit 17th draft saying 17th bec that = I don't want to do any more work on it. #scriptchat
8:43 pm rachlanger: @filmutopia HA! That's so true. #scriptchat
8:43 pm jeannevb: @julianfriedmann do ppl actually TELL u what draft # it is? Can't imagine doing that. #scriptchat
8:43 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @jeannevb: Here's a new tip I learned. Before u pitch, write a 1pg synopsis. That will DEF show if something is missing in story! #scriptchat
8:43 pm julianfriedmann: @jeannevb Before pitching write 1 pg (begin/mid/end esp end), then trim to 1 para and then 1 line. Verbal pitch the para #scriptchat
8:44 pm jeannevb: RT @filmutopia: #scriptchat - of course real answer to the question "when is script ready?" is "when the cheque clears, baby!" #scriptchat
8:44 pm thewritertype: #scriptchat My definition of objectivity is anyone who isn't me. Sometimes a box of hammers could have spotted stuff I missed.
8:44 pm julianfriedmann: @jeannevb They often do but I need to know how else can I judge it?#scriptchat
8:44 pm Chuklz: True Story->RT @filmutopia: #scriptchat - the real answer to the question "when is the script ready? is "when the cheque clears, baby!"
8:44 pm Sofluid: RT @UncompletedWork: UK #scriptchat my Article "Mental Spackle" about what to do when stuck in revision, published in @storydepth http://bit.ly/2DdEX8
8:44 pm DreamsGrafter: HA! RT @filmutopia #scriptchat - of course the real answer to the question "when is the script ready?" is "when the cheque clears, baby!"
8:44 pm jeannevb: @julianfriedmann exactly! That's what I did w this 1 after detailed outline & found more flaws to fix before starting ;) #scriptchat
8:45 pm filmutopia: @julianfriedmann There are many different varieties of experience. Sometimes you have to know the market to see the holes in it. #scriptchat
8:45 pm MJ_Slide: cant make it 4 #scriptchat tonight, bummed out but planning on def reading the transcript!
8:45 pm DreamsGrafter: @thewritertype But if you give yourself some distance, don't you think you'd be able to see the areas that need developing? #scriptchat
8:45 pm DreamsGrafter: @thewritertype Or does the distance help you find the solutions? #scriptchat
8:46 pm jeannevb: @julianfriedmann "draft" means diff't things to diff't ppl. New draft for some means changing little things. To others, LOTS #scriptchat
8:46 pm julianfriedmann: When the cheque clears = when the producer who may be blind approves of the script. If film fails yr reput is damaged. #scriptchat
8:46 pm jeannevb: @julianfriedmann so I dont see where the value is in knowing the number #scriptchat
8:47 pm rachlanger: When a producer offers to "casually" read something of yours, how should you follow up? Is there such a thing as a casual read? #scriptchat
8:47 pm jeannevb: @MJ_Slide we'll miss you! But I'll have transcript up before I go to bed tonight, promise ;) #scriptchat
8:47 pm julianfriedmann: @jeannevb That's why studio scripts are so multicoloured, bec of the many drafts: a draft = a new pass at script, big or small #scriptchat
8:47 pm BloodForcTrauma: @DreamsGrafter Sorry I won't be joining the #Scriptchat today.. I've got discomfort.. monthly curse..I don't feel much like typing today :)
8:48 pm DreamsGrafter: @filmutopia @julianfriedmann Agree, that's why getting ppl in the industry to read your script is important. #scriptchat #scriptchat
8:48 pm olilewington: @rachlanger Not convinced there is - after all, if they can pick it up, you want them to. Has to be its best I think #scriptchat
8:48 pm thewritertype: @DreamsGrafter #scriptchat Distance helps, experience helps, instinct helps but the best thing I've learned is how to take advice
8:48 pm julianfriedmann: @jeannevb If it is full of holes and typos and is 1st draft = consider if storytelling good; if 5th draft then reject #scriptchat
8:49 pm jeannevb: love that RT @filmutopia: Jo Orton used to write a draft, put the script away for three months, then read it-time away reveals #scriptchat
8:49 pm HayleyMckenzie1: @rachlanger no such thing as casual read - when we read scripts we form judgements about project & writer #scriptchat
8:49 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @jeannevb: love that RT @filmutopia: Jo Orton used to write a draft, put the script away for three months, then read it-time away reveals #scriptchat
8:49 pm jeannevb: @julianfriedmann makes sense #scriptchat
8:49 pm julianfriedmann: @rachlanger Smart writer would rej the idea of being read casually, though difficult to do since getting prods to read is so VIP #scriptchat
8:49 pm HayleyMckenzie1: @rachlanger don't send it to producer (even if they offer) if you don't feel it's good enough #scriptchat
8:50 pm Chuklz: #scriptchat 3 piles. a tiny stack of Def. Yes, and small stack of Def No and Huge stack of If Only It Was Better Id Do Something With It.
8:50 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @thewritertype: @DreamsGrafter #scriptchat Distance helps, experience helps, instinct helps but the best thing I've learned is how to take advice
8:50 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat @julianfriedmann that's why it's important to never work with idiots. It's also the reason I've turned down options on projects.
8:50 pm PennyAsh: @DreamsGrafter Oh yes, and when they laugh or cry in the right places without realizing it #scriptchat #GOLD
8:50 pm Sofluid: @DreamsGrafter: @thewritertype Leave a script aside for a few months. Then you'll see much more clearly what needs to be done! #scriptchat
8:50 pm julianfriedmann: Fascinating that time passing aids objectivity. Not sure why but valuable tool for writers so leave script for as long as poss #scriptchat
8:50 pm jeannevb: I am much more scared some1 will produce my film b4 its ready & it (and I) will get crap reviews. I'd rather not sell it. #scriptchat
8:50 pm DreamsGrafter: @thewritertype taking advice i.e. not taking every word 4 gospel but identifying the real problem and finding yr own solution? #scriptchat
8:51 pm rachlanger: @HayleyMckenzie1 That was my inkling, and why I've been cautious to send prematurely. Thanks! #scriptchat
8:51 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @Sofluid: @DreamsGrafter: @thewritertype Leave a script aside for a few months. Then you'll see much more clearly what needs to be done! #scriptchat
8:51 pm DreamsGrafter: @PennyAsh That is Awesome! #GOLD #scriptchat
8:52 pm julianfriedmann: @HayleyMckenzie1 Agree Hayley but HOW do you know if it is good enough? #scriptchat
8:52 pm jeannevb: @rachlanger exhaust ur trusted writer friends for feedback b4 spending money on pro. Save them for finishing touches #scriptchat
8:52 pm thewritertype: @Chuklz #scriptchat Just pitched my script to an 8 year old as you advised and he said he wasn't looking for drams
8:52 pm momentsoffilm: @julianfriedmann I think objectivity comes with experience more than anything. And understanding the aims of the story. #scriptchat
8:52 pm jeannevb: When I read ppl's work, I write in margins, telling them what moved me, where they lost me, how I felt emotionally #scriptchat
8:52 pm PennyAsh: @DreamsGrafter I've gotten a few reviews like that, I save those :D #GOLD #scriptchat
8:53 pm DreamsGrafter: @jeannevb @rachlanger Agree! Peer review for when you're trying to figure out the story then pro to get script into shape. #scriptchat
8:53 pm olilewington: Funny RT @thewritertype: @Chuklz #scriptchat Just pitched my script to an 8 year old as you advised and he said he wasn't looking for drams
8:53 pm jeannevb: HA RT @thewritertype: @Chuklz #scriptchat Just pitched my script to 8 year old as u advised. he said he wasnt looking for drams #scriptchat
8:53 pm julianfriedmann: Best advice I was given is work with regular group of up to 4 peers and all read everything written by group and give tough love #scriptchat
8:54 pm julianfriedmann: RT @jeannevb: @rachlanger exhaust ur trusted writer friends for feedback b4 spending money on pro. Save for finishing touches #scriptchat
8:54 pm DreamsGrafter: @PennyAsh Do you frame them? I SO would!! Put them up in the corridor and the bathroom for everyone to see. #scriptchat
8:54 pm Chuklz: W8 6 months. RT @thewritertype: #scriptchat Just pitched my script to an 8 year old as you advised and he said he wasn't looking for drams
8:54 pm HayleyMckenzie1: @julianfriedmann having read and edited 1000's of scripts, many of which have been made, u develop that skill & instinct #scriptchat
8:54 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat - I think it's possible to be too precious about this - I believe so strongly in write/make/make mistakes... write something new
8:54 pm thewritertype: @DreamsGrafter #scriptchat Just realizing that sometimes other people can see things you can't. You don't even have to like them.
8:55 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @filmutopia: #scriptchat - I think it's possible to be too precious about this - I believe so strongly in write/make/make mistakes... write something new
8:55 pm julianfriedmann: @HayleyMckenzie1 So how do writers develop the instinct? Maybe reading tons of scripts/ #scriptchat
8:55 pm Sofluid: #scriptchat 1 method of peer feedback is asking questions. Why did/didn't X do this? If same questions come up by diff ppl, it needs fixing!
8:55 pm jeannevb: its also imp to recognize some scripts shld just be a learning exp & dont need to ever get sold. Stick in drawer & move on #scriptchat
8:55 pm PennyAsh: @DreamsGrafter LOL I never thought of that :) I need to do that #scriptchat
8:55 pm julianfriedmann: Script Factory course on how to read a script and writer a report was 1 of best courses I have ever done #scriptchat
8:56 pm DreamsGrafter: @thewritertype Like the ppl or what they can see or you don't? ;) #scriptchat
8:56 pm olilewington: RT @filmutopia: #scriptchat - I think it's possible to be too precious about this - I believe so strongly in write/make/make mistakes... write something new
8:56 pm HayleyMckenzie1: great advice! Peer review 4 when u r trying 2 figure out the story then pro to get script into shape. #scriptchat
8:56 pm filmutopia: RT @jeannevb: some scripts shld just be a learning exp & dont need to ever get sold. Stick in drawer & move on #scriptchat (Amen)
8:57 pm julianfriedmann: When script doesn't seem to work after may drafts and feedback do you go back to test the original idea? #scriptchat
8:57 pm HayleyMckenzie1: Definitely! RT @julianfriedmann: @HayleyMckenzie1 So how do writers develop the instinct? Maybe reading tons of scripts/ #scriptchat
8:57 pm scriptmag: RT @filmutopia: RT @jeannevb: some scripts shld just be a learning exp & dont need to ever get sold. Stick in drawer & move on #scriptchat (Amen)
8:57 pm joshuascriptmag: RT @filmutopia: RT @jeannevb: some scripts shld just be a learning exp & dont need to ever get sold. Stick in drawer & move on #scriptchat (Amen)
8:57 pm jeannevb: @DreamsGrafter @PennyAsh I framed my 1st rejection (lion's gate). He PISSED on the script! haha I was so proud ha #scriptchat
8:57 pm Sofluid: RT @julianfriedmann: Course on how to read a script & write a report was 1 of best courses I have ever done #scriptchat Ditto!
8:58 pm rachlanger: Good to know I'm on the right track RT @HayleyMckenzie1: great advice! Peer review 4 story then pro to get script into shape. #scriptchat
8:58 pm HayleyMckenzie1: v true. RT @jeannevb: some scripts shld just be a learning exp & dont need to ever get sold. Stick in drawer & move on #scriptchat
8:58 pm julianfriedmann: If scripts were ever ready then wouldn't be that much for editors to do (unless all directors are crap wh they are not). #scriptchat
8:58 pm DreamsGrafter: There's a great Peer Review Exchange on @Bang2Write's blog: http://bit.ly/aW7uJV - Such a great idea. #scriptchat
8:59 pm julianfriedmann: Some scripts learning experiences and some ideas shd never have been attempted in first place. #scriptchat
8:59 pm jeannevb: @joshuascriptmag @scriptmag so nice to see u two (hee) here ;) #scriptchat
8:59 pm thewritertype: @filmutopia #scriptchat. Agree. You have to write draft 1 to write draft 2 etc. Each draft has to be the best, knowing it'll change
8:59 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb LOL but you learned something too :) One of my pen names got called a genius in a recent review #scriptchat
8:59 pm olilewington: Right #scriptchat folks, I'm bugging out for tonight - thanks to all & see you next week!
8:59 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @julianfriedmann: Some scripts learning experiences and some ideas shd never have been attempted in first place. #scriptchat
8:59 pm HayleyMckenzie1: RT @DreamsGrafter: There's a great Peer Review Exchange on @Bang2Write's blog: http://bit.ly/aW7uJV - Such a great idea. #scriptchat
8:59 pm julianfriedmann: The way you chose to tell the story (of the many possible)might determine whether the script works. Wrong choice = failure. #scriptchat
9:00 pm DreamsGrafter: @PennyAsh Do it! x #scriptchat
9:00 pm jeannevb: @PennyAsh must have been for ur choice of chaps ;) #scriptchat
9:00 pm julianfriedmann: Ever tried writing each draft to fix 1 identified problem, not fixing them all in the next draft? #scriptchat
9:00 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @julianfriedmann: The way you chose to tell the story (of the many possible)might determine whether the script works. Wrong choice = failure. #scriptchat
9:01 pm julianfriedmann: RT @DreamsGrafter: There's a great Peer Review Exchange on @Bang2Write's blog: http://bit.ly/aW7uJV - Such a great idea. #scriptchat
9:01 pm rachlanger: @joshuascriptmag We like lurkers! #scriptchat @scriptmag
9:01 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @HayleyMckenzie1: Definitely! RT @julianfriedmann: @HayleyMckenzie1 So how do writers develop the instinct? Maybe reading tons of scripts/ #scriptchat
9:01 pm HayleyMckenzie1: happy writing guys. I'm off. back next Sunday for Euro Professional Script Editor Panel #scriptchat
9:01 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @thewritertype: @filmutopia #scriptchat. Agree. You have to write draft 1 to write draft 2 etc. Each draft has to be the best, knowing it'll change
9:02 pm momentsoffilm: Peer notes from writers is enough to make a screenplay work. To work as a commercial prospect is where pro notes are essential. #scriptchat
9:02 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @HayleyMckenzie1: happy writing guys. I'm off. back next Sunday for Euro Professional Script Editor Panel #scriptchat
9:02 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb ROFL it was the fringed pink ones #scriptchat
9:02 pm DreamsGrafter: @HayleyMckenzie1 Thanks for joining in Hayley. Really looking forward to next week. 'Til then, have a great week! #scriptchat
9:02 pm Sofluid: RT @HayleyMckenzie1: 'm off. back next Sunday for Euro Professional Script Editor Panel #scriptchat Thanks Hayley! Look forward to it!
9:03 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @momentsoffilm: Peer notes from writers is enough to make a screenplay work. To work as a commercial prospect is where pro notes are essential. #scriptchat
9:03 pm PennyAsh: @DreamsGrafter LOL I just may, got writing room walls to decorate :) #scriptchat
9:03 pm julianfriedmann: Linda Seger recently did amazing script analysis for what I thought was a very reasonable fee. 17 pages of gold dust.. #scriptchat
9:04 pm jeannevb: Off subject a sec. Lst wk short films. Here's short script by @allegrahuston. Very funny... http://bit.ly/b9OD5v #scriptchat
9:04 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @julianfriedmann: Linda Seger recently did amazing script analysis for what I thought was a very reasonable fee. 17 pages of gold dust.. #scriptchat
9:04 pm grumblecore: @julianfriedmann But it's possible to salvage a bad script's characters &some of its ideas &situations to create a new story. #scriptchat
9:05 pm PennyAsh: RT @jeannevb: Off subject a sec. Lst wk short films. Here's short script by @allegrahuston. Very funny... http://bit.ly/b9OD5v #scriptchat
9:05 pm momentsoffilm: #scriptchat Good night all. Bowing out now as in demand elsewhere... Have a good remainder of the evening. :)
9:06 pm DreamsGrafter: Thanks everyone for joining in tonight's EURO #scriptchat! I have to fly now and grab some dinner. #scriptchat
9:06 pm thewritertype: #scriptchat Thank you for a lovely scriptchat. My supper's ready. Or maybe it just needs a bit more work...
9:06 pm jeannevb: that hour went fast! Thanks everyone for joining.... if u EURO's have insomnia, come get drunk w the US gang at 8pm EST :) #scriptchat
9:07 pm jeannevb: @thewritertype we review dinners too ;) #scriptchat
9:08 pm DreamsGrafter: Ha! Off to have mine too! RT @jeannevb @thewritertype we review dinners too ;) #scriptchat
9:08 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @jeannevb: that hour went fast! Thanks everyone for joining.... if u EURO's have insomnia, come get drunk w the US gang at 8pm EST :) #scriptchat
9:10 pm DreamsGrafter: US #SCRIPTCHAT is picking up the same topic: How do you know when your script is ready? at 8PM EST/5PM PST. (That's Midnight GMT this week)
9:10 pm JLichtenberg: RT @jeannevb: that hour went fast! Thanks everyone for joining.... if u EURO's have insomnia, come get drunk w the US gang at 8pm EST :) #scriptchat
9:10 pm JLichtenberg: @jeannevb Sorry I missed #scriptchat!
9:11 pm davidpbaker: @DreamsGrafter US #SCRIPTCHAT is picking up the same topic: How do you know when your script is ready? at 8PM EST/5PM PST.
9:11 pm JLichtenberg: RT @jeannevb: When I read ppl's work, I write in margins, telling them what moved me, where they lost me, how I felt emotionally #scriptchat
9:11 pm jeannevb: @JLichtenberg just the EURO one.... we still have US ;) 8pm EST #scriptchat
9:12 pm jeannevb: @HonorKnightASA oh yes! Bring ur tequila and a sense of humor :) #scriptchat
9:13 pm grumblecore: Your script may be "ready," but you will find things to change & others will suggest changes. Even "ready," it will evolve. #scriptchat
9:13 pm JLichtenberg: @jeannevb When you read ppl's work, be sure to include HOW TO FIX problems you find, not just personal reactions #scriptchat PS
9:13 pm rabbitandcrow: @julianfriedmann Doing a draft for each fix is a great way to go. But there's often such a time crunch in screenwriting. #scriptchat
9:14 pm JLichtenberg: #scriptchat on critiques, WHAT TO DO TO FIX shows not tells writer source inside writer's mind of what bothers you
9:16 pm jeannevb: @JLichtenberg yes, I include suggestions, but some ppl dont want them, they just want the person's feelings. I ask writer first #scriptchat
AMERICAN CHAT:
jeannevb: It's Scriptchat OCLOCK #scriptchat
yeah_write: @ninehourfilms Catch you next time. Relax and have a drink. #scriptchat
HonorKnightASA: Present and accounted for! #scriptchat
sunspotpictures: Let the #scriptchat -ing begin...
jolenejahnke: RUN! Don't walk. #scriptchat is starting. #scriptchat
jeannevb: TOPIC: How to tell if ur script is ready to pitch to producers... or in the trash #scriptchat
UncompletedWork: /Merrel walks in and places his hat on a hook/ Honey I'm home! #scriptchat
GCGeek: @jeannevb Is this a regular Sunday night event?! #scriptchat
12:01 am jeannevb: Welcome everyone! What tests do you put ur script thru before letting it get in the hands of a producer? #scriptchat
12:01 am yeah_write: Every Sunday 8pm EST RT @GCGeek: @jeannevb Is this a regular Sunday night event?! #scriptchat
12:01 am jeannevb: @GCGeek oh yes indeedy! Every sunday www.scriptchat.com for deets #scriptchat
12:01 am covermyscript: that's my favorite time of day. RT @jeannevb: It's Scriptchat OCLOCK #scriptchat
12:02 am jeannevb: How much do you rewrite before you say "umm... maybe this was a mistake"? #scriptchat
12:02 am HonorKnightASA: Good test is the ability to read your material without vomiting. #scriptchat
12:02 am PennyAsh: @jeannevb If my beta readers get sucked into the story it's ready #scriptchat
12:02 am Timsn: Me too! RT @covermyscript: that's my favorite time of day. RT @jeannevb: It's Scriptchat OCLOCK #scriptchat
12:02 am covermyscript: send scripts to my mom. she's got the soft touch of a mobster. if she says it's good, most likely ready. #scriptchat
12:02 am jeannevb: I give mine to trusted friend readers, then to a pro for polish #scriptchat
12:02 am jeannevb: amen! ;) RT @HonorKnightASA: Good test is the ability to read your material without vomiting. #scriptchat
12:03 am jeannevb: agree RT @PennyAsh: @jeannevb If my beta readers get sucked into the story its ready #scriptchat
12:03 am yeah_write: @PennyAsh But how do you know it's ready for the beta reader? #scriptchat
12:03 am GoldenAgeofGeek: Is the logline/concept great. That's what I want to hear from my beta readers #scriptchat
12:03 am DoubleNW: @SunspotPictures #scriptchat?? What's the topic?
12:03 am thatscriptchick: There is nothing more valuable than a trusted group of writers to rip your script apart so you don't look like a fool #scriptchat
12:03 am jeannevb: u wld ask that ha RT @yeah_write: @PennyAsh But how do you know its ready for the beta reader? #scriptchat
12:03 am UncompletedWork: @jeannevb MAKE SURE IT'S YOUR BEST DRAFT, if you give your producer that crummy 2nd draft, you may have blown an opportunity. #scriptchat
12:04 am markezrastokes: #scriptchat should be fun tonight. Watching insomniac 1-year-old while following the chaos! #scriptchat
12:04 am RickRapier: I've only used a professional reader once; she wanted to change the point of the story as primary note. #scriptchat #scriptchat
12:04 am jeannevb: @DoubleNW how to tell if ur script is ready for producers... or the trash #scriptchat
12:04 am PennyAsh: @yeah_write Usually it goes to the betas when I start asking myself if it's any good #scriptchat
12:04 am covermyscript: having new outline reviewed by writing partner. scared! #scriptchat RT @sdarancette: ur doing that, I will be reading your HM outline.
12:04 am UncompletedWork: RT @covermyscript: send scripts to my mom. she's got soft touch of mobster. if she says it's good, most likely ready. #scriptchat [#whack!]
12:04 am jeannevb: @RickRapier finding the RIGHT prof reader is key! They all aren't great... I've had some bad ones #scriptchat
12:04 am Timsn: My husband and a trusted friend are my starting points #scriptchat
12:04 am yeah_write: RT @thatscriptchick: There is nothing more valuable than trusted grp of writers 2 rip ur script apart so u dont look like a fool #scriptchat
12:04 am TravisLegge: Poking my head into #scriptchat for a few. What's the topic, eh?
12:04 am John_Marlow: #scriptchat I make the script as good as I can, then hand it to my favorite story editor and ask what could be better and why.
12:05 am covermyscript: it's ready when ur done. when u can't move on. RT @yeah_write: @PennyAsh But how do you know it's ready for the beta reader? #scriptchat
12:05 am zacsanford2: One way to tell your draft is not ready for readers... if it is your first, second or third draft. #scriptchat
12:05 am sunspotpictures: @DoubleNW RT @zacsanford How to know when you're script is ready to be submitted or put into the trash. #scriptchat
12:05 am jeannevb: Remember, there is NEVER a second chance to make a 1st impression... dont pitch crap #scriptchat
12:05 am RickRapier: @PennyAsh What the heck is a beta, besides a fighting fish? #scriptchat #scriptchat
12:05 am yeah_write: @TravisLegge Topic: how do you know your script is done? #scriptchat
12:05 am iceberg061: @jeannevb videotape yourself giving a pitch, enthusiasm, know answers to questions even if obscure (color of couch and why) #scriptchat
12:05 am markezrastokes: RT @zacsanford2: One way to tell your draft is not ready for readers... if it is your first, second or third draft. #scriptchat
12:05 am UncompletedWork: RT @jeannevb: Remember, there is NEVER a second chance to make a 1st impression... dont pitch crap #scriptchat
12:05 am booksbelow: RT @jeannevb: Remember, there is NEVER a second chance to make a 1st impression... dont pitch crap #scriptchat
12:05 am LifesizeLD: It's not done until they start shooting. And sometimes not even then, but you still have to make it the best you can! #scriptchat
12:05 am jmiewald: I would say it is ready when it starts to take on a life of its own. #scriptchat
12:06 am jmiewald: You gotta have the "it's alive!" moment. #scriptchat
12:06 am RickRapier: What does the pitch have to do with whether the script is ready? #scriptchat
12:06 am jeannevb: @FiskyJay I overanalyze too. My biggest flaw... and greatest asset ;) #scriptchat (use the hashtag so u can be seen in chat room)
12:06 am zacsanford2: All ProdCos keep a grid of sbmssns good & bad RT @jeannevb: Remember, there is NEVER a second chance to make a 1st impression. #scriptchat
12:06 am PennyAsh: @covermyscript Yep you reach a point where you just know you need that second opinion #scriptchat
12:06 am TravisLegge: When you write the ending? RT @yeah_write @TravisLegge Topic: how do you know your script is done? #scriptchat
12:06 am yeah_write: Great idea RT @iceberg061: @jeannevb videotape yourself giving a pitch, enthusiasm, know answers to questions even if obscure... #scriptchat
12:06 am HonorKnightASA: One person's crap may be anothers great idea though. #scriptchat
12:06 am LifesizeLD: Don't burn bridges. RT @jeannevb: Remember, there is NEVER a second chance to make a 1st impression... dont pitch crap #scriptchat
12:06 am TravisLegge: RT @LifesizeLD: It's not done until they start shooting. And sometimes not even then, but you still have to make it the best you can! #scriptchat
12:06 am Trigonis: Yes! RT @zacsanford2: One way to tell your draft is not ready for readers... if it is your first, second or third draft. #scriptchat
12:06 am dwacon: I do multiple drafts... then peer review... then more drafts... then different review... then rewrite beyond all recognition... #scriptchat
12:06 am TravisLegge: Exactly @LifesizeLD #scriptchat
12:07 am markezrastokes: @jmiewald Sometimes it just needs 2 b put out of its misery when it's alive. #scriptchat
12:07 am yeah_write: I know when I'm reading it and I forget I'm supposed to be editing. I'm in the story that much. #scriptchat
12:07 am jeannevb: @iceberg061 good pitch advice, but we're asking more quality of script #scriptchat
12:07 am AdrienneFord: how do you find a good prof reader? #scriptchat
12:07 am booksbelow: Do friend readers give similar feedback to pro readers? #scriptchat
12:07 am Timsn: RT @yeah_write: Great idea RT @iceberg061: @jeannevb videotape yourself giving a pitch, enthusiasm, know answers to questions even if obscure... #scriptchat
12:07 am LifesizeLD: Not usually. Taste varies, but quality is recognized. RT @HonorKnightASA: One persons crap may be anothers great idea though. #scriptchat
12:07 am GoldenAgeofGeek: @RickRapier The pitch is important because an unsold script is an unproduced script #scriptchat
12:07 am sunspotpictures: #scriptchat hopefully everyone has a reader they know, respect, and are willing to receive necessary criticism from.
12:07 am PennyAsh: @RickRapier A beta reader is someone you trust enough to critique your work before anyone else sees it, I have 2 #scriptchat #scriptchat
12:07 am iceberg061: Read the script out loud...sounds drastically different #scriptchat
12:07 am UncompletedWork: Show when ready. I've blown opportunities by showing a drafts to producers too early when the vision wasn't fully realized. #scriptchat
12:07 am thatscriptchick: How do you know it's done? Hell, it will be in and out of theaters and I'll still be making rewrite notes. #scriptchat
12:07 am TravisLegge: I would say its a very personal thing. When you are happy with it, show it. Change when changes are needed. #scriptchat
12:07 am LifesizeLD: Nope! Friends have an agenda. RT @booksbelow: Do friend readers give similar feedback to pro readers? #scriptchat
12:08 am jeannevb: NEXT WEEK we have prof reader PANEL! http://bit.ly/9eKmuQ #scriptchat
12:08 am KageyNYC: For fiction, went through friend/family readers 1st, then workshop/class readers 2nd. If I still felt good about it, sent it out #scriptchat
12:08 am covermyscript: totes yo. everything should be checked by pro 1st RT @jeannevb: NEVER a second chance to make a 1st impression. dont pitch crap #scriptchat
12:08 am UncompletedWork: RT @sunspotpictures: #scriptchat a reader they know, respect, and are willing to receive necessary criticism from. (I use @covermyscript)
12:08 am sunspotpictures: #scriptchat not just a reader but another screenwriter...
12:08 am GoldenAgeofGeek: Time is the real key. You have to keep going back and going back. And keep looking with fresh eyes #scriptchat
12:08 am Trigonis: This does help immensely. Got me to my 8th draft! RT @ceberg061 Read the script out loud...sounds drastically different #scriptchat
12:08 am mysayyoursay: RT @jeannevb: Remember, there is NEVER a second chance to make a 1st impression... dont pitch crap #scriptchat
12:08 am LifesizeLD: Get feedback from fellow readers who have used them. RT @AdrienneFord: how do you find a good prof reader? #scriptchat
12:08 am RickRapier: Every script is unsold until sold; has nothing to do with quality. Neither does pitch. I've hrd grt pitches for awful scripts #scriptchat
12:08 am John_Marlow: #scriptchat Almost every writer I know started by sending out work before it was ready. The one who didn't sold for $500k.
12:09 am zacsanford2: I run an online screenplay feedback group where we critique two member scripts a month. Some great feedback in there. #scriptchat
12:09 am jeannevb: pssst @LifesizeLD does script reading too! @ her for info #scriptchat
12:09 am sunspotpictures: RT This does help immensely. Got me to my 8th draft! RT @ceberg061 Read the script out loud...sounds drastically different #scriptchat
12:09 am TravisLegge: You MUST do this for dialogue (as much as anything) RT @iceberg061 Read the script out loud...sounds drastically different #scriptchat
12:09 am covermyscript: done when ur beat tired & out of ideas. or is perfect. RT @PennyAsh: u reach a point, u just know you need that 2nd opinion #scriptchat
12:09 am iceberg061: @jeannevb haha I know! Got excited! #scriptchat
12:09 am dwacon: But my first (and only to date) option was a first draft script I & partner wrote without even one read-through. Dumb luck? #scriptchat
12:09 am pulptone: Okay I made it. Took me a few minutes to find the site. #scriptchat
12:09 am thatscriptchick: Having a group of actors do a table read is very eye opening. Problems stick out like a sore thumb. #scriptchat
12:09 am sunspotpictures: #scriptchat Also important to BE PATIENT.
12:09 am yeah_write: @AdrienneFord Attend writer's conferences. Other writers are looking for critique partners too. #scriptchat
12:09 am KageyNYC: Sometimes, the pro world really is last line of reader. Do your absolute best then see if it hits for publication or sale. #scriptchat
12:09 am LifesizeLD: Writing groups can be great, or can add to the problem. #scriptchat
12:09 am jolenejahnke: I like to use the 'speak text' option on my screenwriting software. Hearing your script read to you can be very eye opening. #scriptchat
12:10 am jeannevb: Here's new trick I just did & GREAT! After detailed outline, did 1 pg synopsis. REALLY showed what was missing! #scriptchat
12:10 am richlackey: @Trigonis or in my case, fourth, fifth, not ready, sent to Sharlto Copley (District 9), he read it, passed, missed opportunity #scriptchat
12:10 am PennyAsh: @covermyscript Yep exactly #scriptchat
12:10 am jeannevb: it happens here ;) *hiccup* RT @iceberg061: @jeannevb haha I know! Got excited! #scriptchat
12:10 am sunspotpictures: @dwacon impressive :) #scriptchat
12:10 am zacsanford2: @dwacon Not sure what happened to the email I typed up of your notes, but it wasn't in my sent folder. I'll DM you after chat. #scriptchat
12:10 am LifesizeLD: Getting others to read your stuff aloud is very illuminating as to it's readiness! #scriptchat
12:10 am booksbelow: RT @jeannevb: Heres new trick I just did & GREAT! After detailed outline, did 1 pg synopsis. REALLY showed what was missing! #scriptchat
12:10 am covermyscript: @jeannevb that's such a great idea!! very clever. #scriptchat
12:10 am pulptone: I've been editing since December on and off for the final draft. Just sent it off to an agent tonight. #scriptchat
12:10 am jeannevb: there should be a pill for premature pitching #scriptchat
12:10 am HonorKnightASA: Writing groups usually add to the problem. Too many chefs in the stew. #scriptchat
12:11 am dawnjohnston: @jeannevb I like that one page synopsis after detailed outline idea #scriptchat
12:11 am dirtywhitecandy: RT @jeannevb: Here's new trick I just did & GREAT! After detailed outline, did 1 pg synopsis. REALLY showed what was missing! #scriptchat
12:11 am zacsanford2: If you're writing comedy, I'd try to have some friends do a table read to see if it plays out as funny as you thought. #scriptchat
12:11 am jeannevb: @carlicastellani cool! Congrats! In middle of #scriptchat :)
12:11 am pulptone: Did what others said. I read it over 5 times, had others reader it, proofed it again. Still found errors. Prob still some. #scriptchat
12:11 am covermyscript: @PennyAsh the key is to always go to people you trust. and people who are ruthless and have ur best interest at heart. #scriptchat
12:11 am jeannevb: it was like a headlight on flaws! RT @dawnjohnston: @jeannevb I like that one page synopsis after detailed outline idea #scriptchat
12:11 am Timsn: RT @HonorKnightASA: Writing groups usually add to the problem. Too many chefs in the stew. #scriptchat Depends on the group
12:11 am yeah_write: This could only come from you. lol RT @jeannevb: there should be a pill for premature pitching #scriptchat
12:11 am RickRapier: @HonorKnightASA I've got a script was optioned twice- readers group HATED it. #scriptchat
12:11 am sunspotpictures: @jeannevb Interesting. How so? #scriptchat
12:11 am TravisLegge: Beware of taking any reader input too seriously though. consider all criticisms equally, but dont be a slave to them #scriptchat
12:12 am iceberg061: Be wary of friends & family bc they don't want to hurt your feelings. Let them know ahead of time that you want honest opinions #scriptchat
12:12 am covermyscript: @PennyAsh otherwise, you'll just get undeserved "oh, it's sooooo good" lipservice. #scriptchat
12:12 am pulptone: It's a comic but I did what @jeannevb said. Write a synopsis. Boil it down to the essentials. #scriptchat
12:12 am LifesizeLD: Hey, thanks! :-) RT @jeannevb: pssst @LifesizeLD does script reading too! @ her for info #scriptchat
12:12 am scriptcollector: RT @jeannevb: there should be a pill for premature pitching #scriptchat
12:12 am jeannevb: heehee RT @yeah_write: This could only come from you. lol RT @jeannevb: there should be a pill for premature pitching #scriptchat
12:12 am covermyscript: haha RT @yeah_write: This could only come from you. lol RT @jeannevb: there should be a pill for premature pitching #scriptchat
12:12 am 4D4Films: Reading out loud is great and if we have a strong tagline and short synopsis, we know we're on the right track. #scriptchat
12:12 am yeah_write: Fingers crossed RT @pulptone: Ive been editing since Dec. on and off for the final draft. Just sent it off 2 an agent tonight. #scriptchat
12:12 am HonorKnightASA: @rickrapier Exactly #scriptchat
12:12 am Trigonis: @richlackey Oh man! That's rough! I sent mine in it's 3rd draft 2 studios & they all passed but most gave helpful feedback. #scriptchat
12:13 am covermyscript: cheers! RT @UncompletedWork: RT @sunspotpictures: #scriptchat reader respected receive necessary criticism from. (I use @covermyscript)
12:13 am LifesizeLD: Ha ha! So true! RT @scriptcollector: RT @jeannevb: there should be a pill for premature pitching #scriptchat
12:13 am RickRapier: Groups like Triggerstreet show how writers can be vicious rather than constructive, unless close acquaintances. #scriptchat
12:13 am pulptone: @yeah_write Thanks. It's all going to depend on the readers I think. If they buy issue 1 and it sells it'll get noticed. #scriptchat
12:13 am TravisLegge: RT @4D4Films: Reading out loud is great and if we have a strong tagline and short synopsis, we know we're on the right track. #scriptchat
12:13 am jeannevb: sriptchat viagra at its best ;) RT @scriptcollector: RT @jeannevb: there should be a pill for premature pitching #scriptchat
12:13 am John_Marlow: #scriptchat Best time to do a logline and pitch-sheet is before you write. Keeps you focused and on-track.
12:13 am Trigonis: @richlackey Then I got it to William Morris (by recommendation of my script analyst) & they tore in a new hole! Go figure! #scriptchat
12:13 am PennyAsh: @covermyscript Yes. I'm lucky I have 2 like that #scriptchat
12:13 am 4D4Films: Great point! RT @TravisLegge: Beware of taking any reader input too seriously. consider all criticisms equally, but dont be a... #scriptchat
12:14 am GoldenAgeofGeek: There's a difference if you have a manager/agent. They have to be really jacked about repping the material. #scriptchat
12:14 am TravisLegge: Here's the thing: I detest writing pitches, so I usually have a screenplay done before I EVER start a pitch #scriptchat
12:14 am covermyscript: never rush something just because you met a prod. it's not ready, don't blow it, by rushing a script. it'll suck &they'll pass. #scriptchat
12:14 am richlackey: @Trigonis yeah, I learned my lesson, won't do that again till I know I really have something to put on the table #scriptchat
12:14 am UncompletedWork: .@iceberg061 Re: Friends/family reading your work. Take their criticism/positive feedback w/ a grain of salt, it's likely biased #scriptchat
12:14 am jeannevb: @RickRapier but if they're too close, they can blow smoke up ur ass. I only ask friends who r brutally honest #scriptchat
12:14 am iceberg061: Except failure...but don't give up. Failure improves you're writing. Be persistent w/ your scripts, and repolish as needed/told #scriptchat
12:14 am yeah_write: Just saw this. haha RT @jeannevb: u wld ask that ha RT @yeah_write: @PennyAsh But how do you know its ready for the beta reader? #scriptchat
12:14 am LifesizeLD: Sometimes @screenwritingU hosts free teleconferences on rewriting. Brilliant info! #scriptchat
12:14 am AdrienneFord: here's a thought, is it better to try entering your script into screenwriting contests to see what feedback you get back? #scriptchat
12:14 am dwacon: One script of mine was accepted by the Beverly Hills Film festival. Will definitely gt that to producers & actors. #scriptchat
12:14 am RickRapier: @John_Marlow Right. Poets & novelists can meander; screenwriters must stay on point. #scriptchat
12:14 am jeannevb: Listen to all feedback but weigh what really is worth listening to. #scriptchat
12:14 am pulptone: RT @jeannevb: @RickRapier but if theyre too close, they can blow smoke up ur ass. I only ask friends who r brutally honest #scriptchat
12:15 am zacsanford2: RT @UncompletedWork: @iceberg061 Re: Friends/family reading your work. Take their feedback w/ a grain of salt, its likely biased #scriptchat
12:15 am RickRapier: @jeannevb That's a part of defining friendship for me. :) #scriptchat
12:15 am jeannevb: @AdrienneFord some contests offer paid feedback that's great #scriptchat
12:15 am HonorKnightASA: @jeannevb Brutal honesty can be hard to come by sometimes. #scriptchat
12:15 am LifesizeLD: Yes! Remember it's YOUR vision that matters. RT @jeannevb: Listen to all feedback but weigh what really is worth listening to. #scriptchat
12:15 am indpnt1: RT @covermyscript: never rush something just because you met a prod. it's not ready, don't blow it, by rushing a script. it'll suck &they'll pass. #scriptchat
12:15 am NCP4EVA: Almost late #scriptchat
12:15 am screamtweets: RT @LifesizeLD: Sometimes @screenwritingU hosts free teleconferences on rewriting. Brilliant info! #scriptchat #scriptchat
12:15 am richlackey: @Trigonis I'd rather have someone tear it apart than just tell you it's great, I really watch who I let read early drafts now #scriptchat
12:16 am yeah_write: Some paid readers to the same. RT @pulptone: RT @jeannevb: @RickRapier but if theyre too close, they can blow smoke up ur ass. #scriptchat
12:16 am RickRapier: What's that line about opinions & assholes...? #scriptchat
12:16 am Timsn: I never let friends/family who aren't writers read my work. They just ask when the movie is coming out #scriptchat
12:16 am TravisLegge: Oversensitivity to criticism is the undoing of the weak willed. conversely ignoring all criticism is...ignorant @4D4Films #scriptchat
12:16 am iceberg061: Be a good storyteller...may seem obvious but it's hard for some people. Listen to the way grandparents/family tell stories #scriptchat
12:16 am jeannevb: @HonorKnightASA when ppl ask me to read, I warn them I am brutal. I have no filter w my opinion. Need to work on tact haha #scriptchat
12:16 am markezrastokes: @AdrienneFord Depends on which one. Some are GREAT resources. Look 4 the ones that've been around, with guaranteeds feedback. #scriptchat
12:16 am covermyscript: that's when it's time for a pro. no help with lipservice. RT @PennyAsh: Yes. I'm lucky I have 2 like that #scriptchat
12:16 am GoldenAgeofGeek: Also try to get feedback that's more technical in nature, get somebody to talk about structure, pacing, plot specifics #scriptchat
12:16 am pulptone: @LifesizeLD I've had that and while you know they're not wrong I just disagreed and kept "it" in. You just know it's right. #scriptchat
12:16 am HonorKnightASA: And that's when you know your script is ready: when you've achieved your 'vision'. #scriptchat
12:16 am sunspotpictures: #scriptchat Should be a gamut of over-arching questions you're also asking yourself at the end of process...
12:16 am Donna_Carrick: What's the topic, Jeanne? RT @jeannevb: Listen to all feedback but weigh what really is worth listening to. #scriptchat
12:16 am RickRapier: I.e. consider the source. #scriptchat
12:16 am DoubleNW: @trigonis U just sent ur scripts without representation? I'm suprised they got back @ all. #scriptchat
12:16 am covermyscript: assholes have them? RT @RickRapier: What's that line about opinions & assholes...? #scriptchat
12:16 am yeah_write: lol so true. RT @Timsn: I never let friends/family who arent writers read my work. They just ask when the movie is coming out #scriptchat
12:16 am dwacon: @RickRapier Writer groups look @ scripts differently than industry gatekeepers #scriptchat
12:16 am John_Marlow: #scriptchat If many readers point out the same issues, they may be right.
12:17 am shabanky: Hello all:) #scriptchat
12:17 am jeannevb: @Donna_Carrick how to tell if ur script is ready to pitch to producers... or the trash #scriptchat
12:17 am 4D4Films: So do you seek out writers in the genre you are writing or writers in general? #scriptchat
12:17 am GinySassenach: Hello everyone #scriptchat
12:17 am jeannevb: bingo RT @John_Marlow: #scriptchat If many readers point out the same issues, they may be right. #scriptchat
12:17 am HonorKnightASA: @jeannevb Alwarys prefer brutal to tact. Think I'm going to like you! ;) #scriptchat
12:17 am covermyscript: have gruff bedside manner, for my confection sweet personality. job req. RT @jeannevb: @HonorKnightASA Need to work on tact haha #scriptchat
12:17 am markezrastokes: RT @John_Marlow: #scriptchat If many readers point out the same issues, they may be right. #scriptchat
12:17 am pulptone: As a comic writer I have to say I do let others that don't read comics look at them. They'll see something comic readers don't. #scriptchat
12:17 am PennyAsh: @covermyscript Yep, when the betas get to the "Wow I love this" point it goes to an editor #scriptchat
12:18 am LifesizeLD: @pulptone Yep! You have to be the authority on your own material. But worth noting what is and isn't working for your readers... #scriptchat
12:18 am PennyAsh: @covermyscript The more ruthless the better :) #scriptchat
12:18 am booksbelow: Good question! RT @4D4Films: So do you seek out writers in the genre you are writing or writers in general? #scriptchat
12:18 am sunspotpictures: #scriptchat is this compelling all the way through? Is imagery good? Have I thought thru all scene transitions? Is this reader friendly?
12:18 am screamtweets: Very true. RT @John_Marlow: #scriptchat If many readers point out the same issues, they may be right. #scriptchat
12:18 am jeannevb: woot! I made a guy cry once #yikes RT @HonorKnightASA: @jeannevb Alwarys prefer brutal to tact. Think Im going to like you! ;) #scriptchat
12:18 am richlackey: RT @John_Marlow: #scriptchat If many readers point out the same issues, they may be right.
12:18 am LifesizeLD: @GinySassenach Howdy! #scriptchat
12:18 am UncompletedWork: Also, always remember to tell your grandmother you'll give her a part in the movie, even though you have no control of casting #scriptchat
12:18 am 4D4Films: Yes indeed! RT @markezrastokes: RT @John_Marlow: #scriptchat If many readers point out the same issues, they may be right. #scriptchat
12:18 am jeannevb: @HonorKnightASA but after he dried his tears, he thanked me & dug back in ;) #scriptchat
12:18 am sunspotpictures: #scriptchat You can be your best critic.
12:18 am HonorKnightASA: @covermyscript Good to have balance, lol. #scriptchat
12:18 am yeah_write: Usually same genre for me. RT @4D4Films: So do you seek out writers in the genre you are writing or writers in general? #scriptchat
12:18 am jeannevb: RT @booksbelow: Good question! RT @4D4Films: So do you seek out writers in the genre you are writing or writers in general? #scriptchat
12:18 am Trigonis: @DoubleNW My manager sent it in w/the rec from my analsyt. WM originally passed on it, then I asked them why & BAM! :-/ #scriptchat
12:18 am jolenejahnke: I think it's healthy to take a break between drafts. A little distance can give you a fresh perspective. #scriptchat
12:19 am covermyscript: totally. i only go to the most abusive people. that way i know they're not lying. RT @PennyAsh: The more ruthless the better :) #scriptchat
12:19 am RickRapier: @dwacon Yes, gatekeepers like my work & writers groups don't. LOL #scriptchat
12:19 am pulptone: @LifesizeLD And it's not about being stubborn. I think people can see that as such. Mine wasn't a big plot point either. #scriptchat
12:19 am jeannevb: @4D4Films I just seek out writers I respect. Ones who know structure, story, char dev no matter the genre #scriptchat
12:19 am zacsanford2: Yikes, trying to do a development meeting chat and this chat... it's tough to cover both as this is flying by. #scriptchat
12:19 am GoldenAgeofGeek: Big question, is this script going to really stand out in a pile of 20 to 100 others? #scriptchat
12:19 am sunspotpictures: #scriptchat Any other good questions I'm leaving out?
12:19 am pulptone: RT @jolenejahnke: I think its healthy to take a break between drafts. A little distance can give you a fresh perspective. #scriptchat
12:19 am markezrastokes: Script readers: Strategically picking storytellers known for different means of artistic expression is quite valuable. #scriptchat
12:19 am jeannevb: agree! RT @jolenejahnke: I think its healthy to take a break btwn drafts. A little distance can give you a fresh perspective. #scriptchat
12:19 am LifesizeLD: @booksbelow, @4D4Films I recommend finding someone who has some degree of success/expertise in your genre. #scriptchat
12:19 am yeah_write: She didn't make me cry when she read. @jeannevb But I only subjected her to 10 pages. #scriptchat
12:19 am covermyscript: @HonorKnightASA i'm sorry? balance? um, what? #scriptchat
12:19 am PennyAsh: But did he learn something? :D RT @jeannevb: woot! I made a guy cry once #yikes #scriptchat
12:19 am iceberg061: Don't let other people's opinions sway your storyline. It's your story and only you know how it should occur #scriptchat
12:20 am pulptone: @jolenejahnke So true. Which is why it took me so long to edit. I was also writing other stories/parts/etc. #scriptchat
12:20 am HonorKnightASA: @jeannevb That must have been a hell of a review! #yikes #scriptchat
12:20 am Trigonis: Very true! RT @jolenejahnke I think it's healthy 2 take a break between drafts...distance can give you a fresh perspective. #scriptchat
12:20 am 4D4Films: @jeannevb That would seem the best approach! Structure, story, and char dev are king no matter the genre! #scriptchat
12:20 am yeah_write: RT @iceberg061: Dont let other peoples opinions sway your storyline. Its your story and only you know how it should occur #scriptchat
12:20 am RickRapier: I think consider the source is key to soliciting critiques, in the same way as considering the likes of a producer. #scriptchat
12:20 am LifesizeLD: @pulptone I agree. Often people will know when something's not working, but their suggested "fix" doesn't help! #scriptchat
12:20 am John_Marlow: #scriptchat Seeking feedback from those in your genre is good?but don't limit yourself to that, or you may never transcend the genre.
12:20 am Breezy2345: Working on my final draft of my first script #scriptchat
12:20 am HonorKnightASA: @covermyscript Balance between gruff bedside and sweet personality. ;) #scriptchat
12:21 am jeannevb: Remember, every script has a lesson to learn in writing it. Some SHLD be put in drawer, never to be sold. #scriptchat
12:21 am Donna_Carrick: Thanks! RT @jeannevb: how to tell if ur script is ready to pitch to producers... or the trash #scriptchat
12:21 am LifesizeLD: Yikes! RT @PennyAsh: But did he learn something? :D RT @jeannevb: woot! I made a guy cry once #yikes #scriptchat
12:21 am markezrastokes: @John_Marlow Totally agree! #scriptchat
12:21 am PennyAsh: @GoldenAgeofGeek Yes, do you have a good hook and does it keep the reader's interest #scriptchat
12:21 am dawnjohnston: @Breezy2345 How do you know it's the final draft? #scriptchat
12:21 am jeannevb: @HonorKnightASA I tore it a new ahole #yikes #scriptchat
12:21 am richlackey: Does anyone ever get a third or fourth draft kicked out and then drop it completely? #scriptchat
12:21 am SteferstheGreat: RT @UncompletedWork Always remember to tell grandma you'll give her part in the movie even though you have no control of casting #scriptchat
12:21 am SKCOMEDY: Neil Gaiman makes the point that if someone says "there's something not working," they're almost always right. #scriptchat
12:21 am TravisLegge: Congrats!! RT @Breezy2345 Working on my final draft of my first script #scriptchat
12:21 am covermyscript: or bipolar. potato potatoh. ;-p RT @HonorKnightASA: Balance between gruff bedside and sweet personality. ;) #scriptchat
12:21 am yeah_write: I'm so sore from horse chores today it hurts to type. But I'm motoring on cuz I can't miss #scriptchat
12:21 am markezrastokes: @John_Marlow Otherwise, you're more prone to recycle his/her voice. #scriptchat
12:21 am jeannevb: YES! And dug in rewrite! ;) RT @PennyAsh: But did he learn something? :D RT @jeannevb: woot! I made a guy cry once #yikes #scriptchat
12:21 am HonorKnightASA: @breezy2345 Final draft? There is no such thing with screenplays, lol. #scriptchat
12:22 am Trigonis: That's the question all right! RT @GoldenAgeofGeek Big question, is this script going 2 really stand out in a pile of 20-100? #scriptchat
12:22 am 4D4Films: Stay true to your story! RT @yeah_write: RT @iceberg061: Dont let other peoples opinions sway your storyline. Its your story... #scriptchat
12:22 am zacsanford2: So there's been a lot of points on when you know your'e done, when do people know to throw in the towel on their script? #scriptchat
12:22 am pulptone: @jeannevb In comics they tell you not to have a one track mind. Even if it's a series. But if you write others that don't work.. #scriptchat
12:22 am LifesizeLD: A gr8 reader will help you realize *your* vision as best it can be realized, not change it. #scriptchat
12:22 am AllInky: Bouncing scripts, esp. dialogue problems, off our local theatre groups usually results in good, pertinent feedback. #scriptchat
12:22 am DoubleNW: @Trigonis It is extremely tough 2 get n. U def have 2 have the right ppl. I have great ppl handling my teen/fam drama tv movie #scriptchat
12:22 am thatscriptchick: If you disagree with notes, it doesn't mean that they are wrong - it just means that your vision isn't clear enough on the page #scriptchat
12:22 am PennyAsh: @jeannevb The best kind of critiques :) #yikes #scriptchat
12:22 am TravisLegge: I know ive reached my final draft when the locked, edited movie file is exporting to burn to a DVD master...#scriptchat
12:22 am LifesizeLD: RT @SKCOMEDY: Neil Gaiman makes the point that if someone says "theres something not working," theyre almost always right. #scriptchat
12:22 am yeah_write: @SKCOMEDY I love Neil Gaiman. And hi, good to see you here. #scriptchat
12:22 am RickRapier: Worst mistake re: soliciting critiques? I think, arguing why they're wrong. "Thought you wanted my opinion?" #scriptchat
12:22 am Donna_Carrick: RT @SKCOMEDY: Neil Gaiman makes the point that if someone says "there's something not working," they're almost always right. #scriptchat
12:22 am jeannevb: Here's tougher question: when do you STOP rewriting & say "uncle"... or be stuck in rewrite hell forever? #scriptchat
12:22 am HonorKnightASA: @jeannevb Wow. Almost can't wait for you to read my stuff. Almost. #yikes #scriptchat
12:23 am John_Marlow: @richlackey You bet--the moment a similar film hits the screen. #scriptchat
12:23 am richlackey: RT @4D4Films: Stay true to your story! RT @yeah_write: RT @iceberg061: Dont let other peoples opinions sway your storyline. Its your story... #scriptchat
12:23 am UncompletedWork: Quick poll: Who here: A) Wants an Ipad & B) is interested in the @finaldraftinc app for it. I for one, very interested! #scriptchat
12:23 am pulptone: RT @RickRapier: Worst mistake re: soliciting critiques? I think, arguing why theyre wrong. "Thought you wanted my opinion?" #scriptchat
12:23 am markezrastokes: @zacsanford2 When thinking about it makes you seriously suicidal. Every. Freakin. Time. #scriptchat
12:23 am iceberg061: Grammar and spelling are VERY important! Can distract a reader from story if not used correctly #petpeeve #scriptchat
12:23 am SKCOMEDY: Gaiman adds, "When they tell you exactly what to fix and how to fix it, they're almost always wrong." #scriptchat
12:23 am JillEdmondson: RT @Donna_Carrick: Thanks! RT @jeannevb: how to tell if ur script is ready to pitch to producers... or the trash #scriptchat
12:23 am GoldenAgeofGeek: If at any point it stops being "real" to the writer that's when you should stop #scriptchat
12:23 am jeannevb: haha RT @HonorKnightASA: @jeannevb Wow. Almost cant wait for you to read my stuff. Almost. #yikes #scriptchat
12:23 am pulptone: @jeannevb rewrite as in because it's wrong or making it better? I finally had to tell myself to stop on the 2nd part. #scriptchat
12:23 am jeannevb: RT @iceberg061: Grammar and spelling are VERY important! Can distract a reader from story if not used correctly #petpeeve #scriptchat
12:24 am AllInky: @UncompletedWork Would like to get my fingers on one too. #scriptchat
12:24 am LifesizeLD: @jeannevb ...or when you "lose your libido" for the project! ;-) #scriptchat
12:24 am TravisLegge: I don't give up o ideas. If they arent working at a particular time i shelve them and come back later @jeannevb #scriptchat
12:24 am RickRapier: RT @UncompletedWork: A) Wants an Ipad & B) is interested in the @finaldraftinc app for it. I for one, very interested! Yes. #scriptchat
12:24 am UncompletedWork: More info about the Ipad final draft app. http://www.finaldraft.com/products/ipad/ #scriptchat
12:24 am markezrastokes: Chunk it if your script includes angsty teen vampires with perpetually pouty faces. #scriptchat
12:24 am Thefirstreel: RT @jeannevb:when ppl ask me to read, I warn them I am brutal. I have no filter w my opinion. #scriptchat (I want that!)
12:24 am jeannevb: I found writing detailed outlines 1st helps me decide if story is worth going all the way with #scriptchat
12:25 am Trigonis: @DoubleNW I hear that! WM told me that if I turned the script more into a comedy, they'd take another look! That's a...(1/2) #scriptchat
12:25 am jeannevb: see, we DO need a pill! ;) RT @LifesizeLD: @jeannevb ...or when you "lose your libido" for the project! ;-) #scriptchat
12:25 am RickRapier: Yes! RT @jeannevb: I found writing detailed outlines 1st helps me decide if story is worth going all the way with #scriptchat
12:25 am HonorKnightASA: @lifesizeld Nothing like a lost writing libido, lol. #scriptchat
12:25 am yeah_write: @UncompletedWork Absolutely no interest in iPad. Not sure why. #scriptchat
12:25 am John_Marlow: #scriptchat Don?t spend a lot of time trying to get to know HW people; spend it getting good enough for them to want to know you.
12:25 am Trigonis: @DoubleNW (2/2)...rewrite I wasn't willing to do, though. Not the kind of "funny" they wanted, anyhow. #scriptchat
12:25 am jeannevb: @Thefirstreel in June, I'll read ur "fucking script" ;) #scriptchat
12:26 am PennyAsh: @iceberg061 Yes! For novel writers narrative is *always* grammatical, use dialect/accent in dialog sparring #petpeeve #scriptchat
12:26 am LifesizeLD: @jeannevb Too much outlining kills it for me. I have to find that happy medium. All the story beats, but not too much detail... #scriptchat
12:26 am Donna_Carrick: #scriptchat @jeannevb If unsure, seek crit advice. Also, try to distance self and view it as reader. Then, if ready to pitch to producer...
12:26 am jmiewald: I dont get the iPad. Why do I need an iPhone the size of a pillow? #scriptchat
12:26 am dawnjohnston: RT @markezrastokes: Chunk it if your script includes angsty teen vampires with perpetually pouty faces. -- Rain on my parade! :) #scriptchat
12:26 am Trigonis: Probably 'cause it's not very practical RT @yeah_write @UncompletedWork Absolutely no interest in iPad. Not sure why. #scriptchat
12:26 am jeannevb: If stuck in rewrite hell, start writing something else. Come back to it a few months later #scriptchat
12:26 am markezrastokes: @John_Marlow: Dude, you're like a fortune cookie for screenwriters. Great stuff. Keep 'em coming! #scriptchat
12:27 am yeah_write: My tweetchat just froze up. #scriptchat Is it just me?
12:27 am iceberg061: When finished writing, set it aside for a few days and look at it later with fresh eyes. What a difference a few days make! #scriptchat
12:27 am AdrienneFord: So if you don't trust friends/family, get a paid script analysis? #scriptchat
12:27 am AllInky: Not sure "stopping" is always the answer. The story kernel may be good. Put it in a drawer and revisit. May find the spark. #scriptchat
12:27 am jolenejahnke: RT @jeannevb: If stuck in rewrite hell, start writing something else. Come back to it a few months later #scriptchat
12:27 am markezrastokes: @dawnjohnston All in good fun. Just a matter of personal tastes. ;-) #scriptchat
12:27 am jeannevb: @LifesizeLD Used brief outlines in past, but this time did VERY detailed, then 1 pg synopsis. 1st draft is now like a 4th draft #scriptchat
12:27 am GoldenAgeofGeek: True! RT @jeannevb: If stuck in rewrite hell, start writing something else. Come back to it a few months later #scriptchat
12:27 am zacsanford2: Before you send out your script, ask yourself could someone else in the story be a better MC and would the story be better. #scriptchat
12:27 am dwacon: @jeannevb I have often walked away from a draft to start another... or to do a read and polish of other work. #scriptchat
12:27 am LifesizeLD: RT @jolenejahnke: RT @jeannevb: If stuck in rewrite hell, start writing something else. Come back to it a few months later #scriptchat
12:28 am Donna_Carrick: Me too-tweetdeck's been cranky today. RT @yeah_write: My tweetchat just froze up. #scriptchat Is it just me?
12:28 am TravisLegge: Gotta bounce out #scriptchat lots of good ideas going round. Thanks for having me.
12:28 am pulptone: @LifesizeLD I find that if I outline TOO much the story is stiff & I'm also pleased when it takes a life of it's own. #scriptchat
12:28 am PennyAsh: @covermyscript Definitely, and I never give anyone less than a strong critique #scriptchat
12:28 am zacsanford2: In Hollywood, no script is ever dead. My company is reviving a project with a studio that died two decades ago. #scriptchat
12:28 am RickRapier: RT @jeannevb: Used brief outlines in past, this time did VERY detailed, then 1 pg synopsis. 1st draft is now like a 4th draft #scriptchat
12:28 am jeannevb: RT @zacsanford2: Before u send out ur script, ask yourself could someone else in the story be a better MC & wld story be better. #scriptchat
12:28 am richlackey: what a fantastic group of people... finally people I can relate to! #scriptchat
12:28 am UncompletedWork: RE:i Pad that's a "yes" from @AllInky @RickRapier @GinySassenach and a "no" from @yeah_write @Trigonis @jmiewald #scriptchat
12:28 am dawnjohnston: RT @markezrastokes: @dawnjohnston All in good fun. ;-) -- Joking! No vampires, promise! #scriptchat
12:28 am pulptone: I still have the basic beginning and ending but the in between I let happen naturally #comics #scriptchat
12:28 am GinySassenach: @UncompletedWork Would love an ipad to do that #Scriptchat
12:29 am John_Marlow: @markezrastokes More at http://selfeditingblog.com/ #scriptchat
12:29 am booksbelow: RT @richlackey: what a fantastic group of people... finally people I can relate to! #scriptchat
12:29 am RickRapier: (Tweetchat keeps telling it can't post my tweets... right after it posts my tweets.) #scriptchat
12:29 am jeannevb: @UncompletedWork YES! But I want next generation ipad. I like a seasoned lovah ;) #scriptchat
12:29 am GoldenAgeofGeek: @jeannevb working on a novel now from a 180 page treatment/outline #scriptchat
12:29 am LifesizeLD: @jeannevb A terrific one page is a great place to start. Make the story sound exciting on the one page, then go write it! #scriptchat
12:29 am GinySassenach: @jeannevb What is the address to get to #scriptchat
12:29 am PennyAsh: @jeannevb When it becomes work to even glance at it, stop #scriptchat
12:29 am jeannevb: FYI, my Twitter #scriptchat list FILLED UP at 500! had to start a second one today ;) #scriptchat
12:30 am Trigonis: Good method! RT @jeannevb I found writing detailed outlines 1st helps me decide if story is worth going all the way with #scriptchat
12:30 am LifesizeLD: I think I dated that guy! RT @RickRapier: (Tweetchat keeps telling it cant post my tweets... right after it posts my tweets.) #scriptchat
12:30 am covermyscript: @PennyAsh otherwise no use 2 the writer. how do they improve their craft, grow as a talent, if they r showered w/ false praise. #scriptchat
12:30 am booksbelow: @GinySassenach http://tweetchat.com/room/scriptchat #scriptchat
12:30 am UncompletedWork: RT @jeannevb: @UncompletedWork YES! But I want next generation ipad. I like a seasoned lovah ;) #scriptchat True, I like to wait the kinks!
12:30 am richlackey: @LifesizeLD I like that, get the one page working! #scriptchat
12:30 am jeannevb: @GoldenAgeofGeek holy shit! That sounds harder than a 4hr erection! #scriptchatpill #scriptchat
12:30 am covermyscript: how long for the book? RT @GoldenAgeofGeek: @jeannevb working on a novel now from a 180 page treatment/outline #scriptchat
12:30 am iceberg061: @PennyAsh Note dialect specifications in character description. "Mike, southern accent, etc." Let director do the rest #scriptchat
12:30 am SKCOMEDY: I've had writers argue about EVERY page of script notes session, giving ALL the reasons why it works. I said, "So, why ask me?" #scriptchat
12:30 am Timsn: RT @PennyAsh: @jeannevb When it becomes work to even glance at it, stop #scriptchat
12:31 am markezrastokes: Putting th baby in his crib. Everybody stop chatting for a sec. No really.I'll b more paternal if I know #scriptchat's on pause. #scriptchat
12:31 am covermyscript: @GoldenAgeofGeek final page count, not how long to write. #scriptchat
12:31 am pulptone: RT @jeannevb: FYI, my Twitter #scriptchat list FILLED UP at 500! had to start a second one today ;) #scriptchat
12:31 am jeannevb: @GinySassenach www.tweetchat.com/room/scriptchat #scriptchat
12:31 am Donna_Carrick: #scriptchat Alex also lurking-I'm reading him stream as he drives. @jeannevb
12:31 am AllInky: Physically chopping a script into its scenes often helps me. Moving them about jogs new ideas - or suggests which part to toss! #scriptchat
12:31 am karenquah: @jeannevb whoa, just arrived late (sorry)... What's this about 4-hr erections? #scriptchat
12:31 am UncompletedWork: RT @SKCOMEDY: writers argue abt EVERY page of notes session, giving ALL the reasons why it works. I said, "So, why ask me?" #scriptchat
12:31 am PennyAsh: @iceberg061 Yep, works the same in novels, reading accents is incredibly annoying #scriptchat
12:31 am yeah_write: Welcome. Also check out www.scriptchat.com RT @richlackey: what a fantastic group of people... finally people I can relate to! #scriptchat
12:31 am Thefirstreel: RT @jeannevb: @Thefirstreel in June, I'll read ur "fucking script" ;) #scriptchat (Yeah, I don't have one to give you! So, chill out dude!)
12:32 am markezrastokes: @John_Marlow Thanks! #scriptchat
12:32 am jeannevb: start drinking woman ;) RT @karenquah: @jeannevb whoa, just arrived late (sorry)... Whats this about 4-hr erections? #scriptchat
12:32 am pulptone: @karenquah @jeannevb is on a roll tonight. LOL! #scriptchat
12:32 am AdrienneFord: I like that RT @AllInky: Physically chopping a script into its scenes often helps me. Moving them about jogs new ideas - #scriptchat
12:32 am RickRapier: They can't stop talking bout me. RT @karenquah: @jeannevb whoa, just arrived late (sorry)... Whats this about 4-hr erections? #scriptchat
12:32 am UncompletedWork: RT @jeannevb: @GoldenAgeofGeek holy shit! That sounds harder than a 4hr erection! #scriptchatpill #scriptchat {and I should know!] /rimshot/
12:32 am jeannevb: this deadline is making me punchy ;) RT @pulptone: @karenquah @jeannevb is on a roll tonight. LOL! #scriptchat
12:32 am LifesizeLD: Sheesh! How anyone can drink and follow all this I'll never know! #scriptchat
12:33 am jeannevb: @UncompletedWork heehee #scriptchat
12:33 am GoldenAgeofGeek: @covermyscript intend between 700-800 pages roughly 100K to 160K words pretty standard for a novel these days #scriptchat
12:33 am yeah_write: www.scriptchat.com RT @GinySassenach: @jeannevb What is the address to get to #scriptchat
12:33 am karenquah: @pulptone You know she's gonna keep rolling till she's out of tequila or rules the world, right? @jeannevb #scriptchat
12:33 am jeannevb: @filmutopia... I so wish you were here... ALL the humor happens now ;) #scriptchat
12:33 am Donna_Carrick: #scriptchat If you're fantacizing that your first screenplay will win an Oscar, your script may not be ready. ;-P (via @Alex_Carrick )
12:33 am dawnbierschwal: Last guest gone... ready for #scriptchat
12:33 am GoldenAgeofGeek: @jeannevb No those aren't anywhere near as hard :-p #scriptchat
12:34 am Trigonis: @AdrienneFord Ha! I recently used this "cut up" technique, but mainly for organization & where to put a new scene. Worked great! #scriptchat
12:34 am HonorKnightASA: @LifesizeLD No kidding! An art form, to be sure, lol. #scriptchat
12:34 am SKCOMEDY: What's the big deal. I've had 4-hour erections . . . just not consecutively. #scriptchat
12:34 am GinySassenach: Now this is so much easier #scriptchat #scriptchat
12:34 am jeannevb: @GoldenAgeofGeek HAHA #scriptchat
12:34 am UncompletedWork: RT @SKCOMEDY: What's the big deal. I've had 4-hour erections . . . just not consecutively. #scriptchat [Sounds like years of work]
12:34 am karenquah: @RickRapier wow, i guess viagra really works huh? :) #scriptchat
12:34 am covermyscript: ala half baked "i seen him!" RT @UncompletedWork RT @jeannevb: sounds harder than a 4hr erection! #scriptchat {and I should know!] /rimshot/
12:34 am sunspotpictures: RT @UncompletedWork @SKCOMEDY writers argue abt EVERY pg of notes giving ALL the reasons why it works. I said "So, why ask me?" #scriptchat
12:34 am Donna_Carrick: RT @AllInky: chopping script into its scenes often helps me. Moving them about jogs new ideas - or suggests which part to toss! #scriptchat
12:34 am jeannevb: Another story test: after 1 pg synopsis, do 1 paragraph, then 1 line. If story holds up.. go #scriptchat
12:34 am pulptone: @karenquah More than likely. As long as it's not right off the chair! I need to get a glass of bourbon next time though! #scriptchat
12:35 am covermyscript: @GoldenAgeofGeek godbless. that's a lot of pages. go for it. good luck. #scriptchat
12:35 am jeannevb: I am laughing so hard I may have to stop drinking! #scriptchat
12:35 am pulptone: @dawnbierschwal why do I picture you literally kicking somebody out the door? #scriptchat
12:35 am DoubleNW: @Trigonis I hear ya. They seem 2 always want 2 change urban films also - I haven't had 2 deal with that thank goodness #scriptchat
12:35 am AdrienneFord: @Trigonis I've found that it keeps things fresh for me. I don't get bogged down with writing if I write scene by scene. #scriptchat
12:35 am LifesizeLD: Can't type. Blushing! Jeez @jeannevb! #scriptchat
12:36 am GinySassenach: @jeannevb Is the tequila out? #scriptchat
12:36 am covermyscript: "i seen him!" RT @jeannevb: I am laughing so hard I may have to stop drinking! #scriptchat
12:36 am PennyAsh: @iceberg061 Edited a book once written entirely in Scottish accent. Made me violent #scriptchat
12:36 am Donna_Carrick: #scriptchat @AllInky I'm all for storyboards with scenes that can be shuffled around.
12:36 am RickRapier: Practice, madame, practice. :) RT @karenquah: @RickRapier wow, i guess viagra really works huh? :) #scriptchat
12:36 am GoldenAgeofGeek: @covermyscript you know it's not a sprint its a marathon! #scriptchat
12:36 am dawnbierschwal: Were you spying on me? RT @pulptone: @dawnbierschwal why do I picture you literally kicking somebody out the door? #scriptchat
12:36 am jeannevb: Scene: take each scene & see if there's conflict in it. Did it move story fwd? Did more than 1 thing happen? If not, CUT #scriptchat
12:36 am NCP4EVA: RT @jeannevb: sounds harder than a 4hr erection! #scriptchat
12:36 am pulptone: RT @PennyAsh: @iceberg061 Edited a book once written entirely in Scottish accent. Made me violent (LOL!) #scriptchat
12:36 am jeannevb: THAT was it! HAHA RT @covermyscript: "i seen him!" RT @jeannevb: I am laughing so hard I may have to stop drinking! #scriptchat
12:36 am NCP4EVA: RT @karenquah @RickRapier wow, i guess viagra really works huh? :) #scriptchat
12:36 am pulptone: @dawnbierschwal It's what I would do! #scriptchat
12:37 am GinySassenach: @PennyAsh My hat goes off to you,I'm writing a novel that has scottish accents and the translations is taking most of my time! #scriptchat
12:37 am covermyscript: @GoldenAgeofGeek totally. that's a huge undertaking. what's the genre? #scriptchat
12:37 am jeannevb: come on, u were ALL thinkin it ;) RT @NCP4EVA: RT @jeannevb: sounds harder than a 4hr erection! #scriptchat
12:37 am karenquah: @jeannevb Have only 1 test. Tell story 2 kids. If they start picking nose or talking 2 toys after 2 mins, I know I'm in trouble. #scriptchat
12:37 am Tina_Dunn: RT @PennyAsh Best writing advice I ever got: You're words aren't gold, don't be afraid to cut or change #scriptchat
12:37 am John_Marlow: #scriptchat It also helps to know if similar projects are in development, and whether similar projects failed; either could be a problem.
12:37 am LifesizeLD: So - how is rewriting like viagra again? #scriptchat
12:37 am GoldenAgeofGeek: @covermyscript fantasy/paranormal romance #scriptchat
12:37 am sunspotpictures: RT @jeannevb: take each scene & see if there's conflict in it. Did it move story fwd? Did more than 1 thing happen? If not, CUT #scriptchat
12:37 am RickRapier: So many of the suggestions take me back to @jeannevb 's point: Know what you're going to write before you start scripting. #scriptchat
12:38 am pulptone: RT @Tina_Dunn: RT @PennyAsh Best writing advice I ever got: Youre words arent gold, dont be afraid to cut or change #scriptchat
12:38 am NCP4EVA: RT @Tina_Dunn Best writing advice I ever got: You're words aren't gold, don't be afraid to cut or change #scriptchat
12:38 am diannesalerni: RT @PennyAsh Best writing advice I ever got: You're words aren't gold, don't be afraid to cut or change #scriptchat #scriptchat
12:38 am jeannevb: it goes on and on and on RT @LifesizeLD: So - how is rewriting like viagra again? #scriptchat
12:38 am covermyscript: @jeannevb tee-hee. #scriptchat
12:38 am blankethouse: @jeannevb It takes real talent and an even best script to get that 1 paragraph synopsis! #scriptchat
12:38 am markezrastokes: Is that the official topic now? I'm so confused. RT @LifesizeLD: So - how is rewriting like viagra again? #scriptchat
12:38 am AllInky: Being prepared to write throw-away scenes - things that will happen off-screen - can get a stuck script going again. #scriptchat
12:38 am 4D4Films: RT @RickRapier: So many of the suggestions take me back to @jeannevb 's point: Know what you're going to write before you start. #scriptchat
12:38 am NCP4EVA: RT @karenquah @jeannevb Have only 1 test. Tell story 2 kids. If they start picking nose or talking 2 toys after 2 mins, I know...#scriptchat
12:38 am jeannevb: just ask @zacsanford2 ;) RT @LifesizeLD: So - how is rewriting like viagra again? #scriptchat
12:38 am iceberg061: @PennyAsh WOW! I could imagine how aggravating that could have been. #scriptchat
12:38 am Donna_Carrick: #scriptchat @jeannevb Per @Alex_Carrick If your first instinct is to pitch script using pseudonym, it may not be ready.
12:38 am PennyAsh: @GinySassenach Only thing worse is 1st person present tense with accents lol Be spare with the accent, the readers will get it #scriptchat
12:38 am mjodirector: RT @jeannevb: Another story test: after 1 pg synopsis, do 1 paragraph, then 1 line. If story holds up.. go #scriptchat
12:38 am FyodorFish: RT @pulptone: RT @Tina_Dunn: RT @PennyAsh Best writing advice I ever got: Youre words arent gold, dont be afraid to cut or change #scriptchat
12:38 am GoldenAgeofGeek: It can be really discouraging to go back to a story after leaving it sit and wonder, "Now why the hell is that in there?" #scriptchat
12:38 am RickRapier: "If you experience priapism, contact your doctor." Or @jeannevb. ha #scriptchat
12:39 am Donna_Carrick: Har har! RT @PennyAsh: @iceberg061 Edited a book once written entirely in Scottish accent. Made me violent #scriptchat
12:39 am NCP4EVA: Hehe :-)RT @jeannevb come on, u were ALL thinkin it ;) RT @NCP4EVA: RT @jeannevb: sounds harder than a 4hr erection! #scriptchat
12:39 am covermyscript: @GoldenAgeofGeek that's fascinating. really terrific. i'm sure you're going to do great. :-D #scriptchat
12:39 am jeannevb: @karenquah great test! ;) #scriptchat
12:39 am LifesizeLD: "Official" is a strong word! RT @markezrastokes: Is that the official topic now? Im so confused. #scriptchat
12:39 am DoubleNW: Lots of writers have specific writing times. I just write when the characters start talking. I'm just the writer :) #scriptchat
12:39 am NCP4EVA: Gettin' cross eyed! #scriptchat
12:39 am UncompletedWork: Hey, @lampsreincarnat your around for #scriptchat. You should join in :-)
12:39 am LifesizeLD: Ha! RT @PennyAsh: @iceberg061 Edited a book once written entirely in Scottish accent. Made me violent #scriptchat
12:40 am Trigonis: I rewrite each sequence on a different FDR doc (like a bunch of short films). Helps me see where the tweaks need to go. #scriptchat
12:40 am diannesalerni: RT @GoldenAgeofGeek: Really discouraging to go back to a story after leaving it sit & wonder: Now why the hell is that in there? #scriptchat
12:40 am markezrastokes: @LifesizeLD I bet #scriptchat has a certain corporate sponsor tonight. Selling out to the man!! #scriptchat
12:40 am pulptone: In the book I just set out I've got a High Concept of one graph and then a synopsis less then a page. Roughly 1 page total. #scriptchat
12:40 am 4D4Films: And going back to original character outlines/details can also help shake things loose and get them going again. #scriptchat
12:40 am karenquah: @GoldenAgeofGeek Yeah. Energy is big part of storytelling 4 me. If u go back & don't know why it's there, u've lost the energy. #scriptchat
12:40 am jeannevb: I think I took us on a smut trail... topic is if ur script is good enough or crap... how do u tell? #scriptchat
12:40 am GoldenAgeofGeek: @covermyscript thanks :-) #scriptchat
12:40 am sunspotpictures: #scriptchat If you can't widdle down large blocks of description break up with paragraph breaks. Make it reader friendly!
12:40 am PennyAsh: @Tina_Dunn Thanks for the RT :) #scriptchat
12:40 am GinySassenach: @PennyAsh I think you're right, if I'm reading it &it doesn't make sense reader will not enjoy book!what is this about viagra? #scriptchat
12:40 am pulptone: But it's only for the first 6 parts. Still...in and out. Get them interested with the barest essentials. #scriptchat
12:40 am TWRCtankcom: RT @diannesalerni: RT @PennyAsh Best writing advice I ever got: You're words aren't gold, don't be afraid to cut or change #scriptchat #scriptchat
12:40 am jeannevb: #kickbacks ;) RT @markezrastokes: @LifesizeLD I bet #scriptchat has certain corporate sponsor tonight. Selling out to the man!! #scriptchat
12:41 am John_Marlow: #scriptchat Will post my 'Rewriting' article from 2010 Screenwriter's & Playwright's Market on my blog this week. http://bit.ly/S_E_B
12:41 am RickRapier: How I write: I brutally rewrite the previous day's work before I start writing again. Freelance copywriters have to self-edit. #scriptchat
12:41 am sunspotpictures: lol! @Donna_Carrick #scriptchat
12:41 am yeah_write: @jeannevb I almost had to moderate the moderator. #scriptchat
12:41 am LifesizeLD: @jeannevb: If you go off on a smut trail, it's not ready! #scriptchat
12:41 am iceberg061: I'm gone 5 minutes and #scriptchat turns into Viagra consultations and I have no idea what I missed. Not sure I want to know either!
12:41 am jeannevb: @John_Marlow plz @ me when you do, ok? I'll link it to our scriptchat blog ;) #scriptchat
12:41 am karenquah: Best way to test a script 4 me - Arrange a cold read with actors who don't know you or your work. You learn so much. #scriptchat
12:41 am LifesizeLD: I can only imagine the bots that will be following us all tomorrow. Sigh. #scriptchat
12:41 am richlackey: RT @4D4Films: RT @RickRapier: So many of the suggestions take me back to @jeannevb 's point: Know what you're going to write before you start. #scriptchat
12:42 am JasonDalBianco: Good morning! *Yawns. Stretches.* #scriptchat
12:42 am jeannevb: or maybe it IS! ;) RT @LifesizeLD: @jeannevb: If you go off on a smut trail, its not ready! #scriptchat
12:42 am Thefirstreel: @jeannevb Sans smut. I think if the script is crap it just needs to be set aside and ignored till another script is completed. #scriptchat
12:42 am jeannevb: @iceberg061 HAHA! Sorry, my fault ;) #scriptchat
12:42 am GCGeek: First time in this chat. Fabulous information. I need to learn to read faster, and moving dialogue! #scriptchat
12:42 am robertiwataki: @iceberg061 I hear ya :[ #scriptchat
12:42 am Timsn: RT @karenquah: Best way to test a script 4 me - Arrange a cold read with actors who don't know you or your work. You learn so much. #scriptchat
12:42 am sunspotpictures: RT @karenquah: @GoldenAgeofGeek Energy is big part of story. If u go back & don't know why it's there, u've lost the energy. #scriptchat
12:42 am jeannevb: @JasonDalBianco u slept thru the smut talk, man ;) #scriptchat
12:42 am DoubleNW: @jeannevb If the person reading it gets confused, the story has 2 have a great flow... Crap #scriptchat
12:42 am PennyAsh: @LifesizeLD Smut? Did someone say smut? Writing smut isn't as easy as it looks :D #scriptchat
12:42 am Thefirstreel: @RickRapier Does that affect how long it takes you to complete a script? #scriptchat
12:42 am blankethouse: @jeannevb @yeah_write Keep her in line!! Lol #scriptchat
12:43 am jeannevb: @GCGeek I post a transcript on www.scriptchat.com Will be up within 30 min of chat's end ;) #scriptchat
12:43 am 4D4Films: @GCGeek Yeah, you gotta be on your toes to keep up with everything! #scriptchat
12:43 am GinySassenach: @robertiwataki Hi glad to read you here!:)) #scriptchat
12:43 am LifesizeLD: @GCGeek Just skip the posts with the words "libido" "viagra" "erection" and "smut" in 'em and you'll be caught up in not time. #scriptchat
12:43 am jeannevb: I almost said that ;) RT @PennyAsh: @LifesizeLD Smut? Did someone say smut? Writing smut isnt as easy as it looks :D #scriptchat
12:43 am karenquah: @GCGeek What have you learnt? How to test a script or maintain a 4-hr erection? #scriptchat
12:43 am yeah_write: Okay, peeps, I hate to be the party pooper, but the TOPIC is: How do you know when your script is finished? #scriptchat
12:43 am UncompletedWork: RT @covermyscript: never rush script just b/c u met a prod. it's not ready, don't blow it, by rushing. it'll suck &they'll pass. #scriptchat
12:43 am GoldenAgeofGeek: @karenquah often though, you have reasons for writings things when you're in the moment but cold light of day not so much luv #scriptchat
12:43 am zacsanford2: RT @yeah_write: Okay, peeps, I hate to be the party pooper, but the TOPIC is: How do you know when your script is finished? #scriptchat
12:43 am LifesizeLD: Ooh! RT @yeah_write: Okay, peeps, I hate to be the party pooper, but the TOPIC is: How do you know when your script is finished? #scriptchat
12:43 am PennyAsh: @iceberg061 It was, It taught me to never do that though #scriptchat
12:43 am jeannevb: *giggle* RT @karenquah: @GCGeek What have you learnt? How to test a script or maintain a 4-hr erection? #scriptchat
12:44 am Donna_Carrick: RT @karenquah: Best way to test a script - Arrange a cold read with actors who don't know you or your work. You learn so much. #scriptchat
12:44 am cinemascribe: What did I miss? #scriptchat
12:44 am GCGeek: I apologize for the newbie mistakes. I'll read the transcript. If this chat lasts four hours, I'll call my agent. #scriptchat
12:44 am NCP4EVA: I don't mind they boost ego's ;-) RT @LifesizeLD I can only imagine the bots that will be following us all tomorrow. Sigh. #scriptchat
12:44 am robertiwataki: @GinySassenach I saw u were tweeting it and jumped in. Sorry I've been lurking for several minutes. Didn't know where to jump in #scriptchat
12:44 am dawnjohnston: Time to rewrite when I start congratulating myself on my cleverness #scriptchat
12:44 am John_Marlow: @jeannevb Will-do, thx. #scriptchat
12:44 am pulptone: Gotta cut this short. Have to go finish laundry and then go watch The Pacific. As always talk to all of you during the week! #scriptchat
12:44 am SKCOMEDY: If it's a comedy, create a "reader's" version, with the stage directions being an additional character. (cont.) #scriptchat
12:44 am markezrastokes: Alright. So WHEN is your script crap. Any serious rules u follow? Skirting around that answer. #scriptchat
12:44 am LifesizeLD: You don't want to know! RT @cinemascribe: What did I miss? #scriptchat
12:44 am RickRapier: The pros and cons of priapism. RT @cinemascribe: What did I miss? #scriptchat
12:44 am jeannevb: *serious face* When u feel like torching ur script, walk away. Write something else. Come back later. If STILL hate it, FIRE! #scriptchat
12:44 am GoldenAgeofGeek: I'm out to. By all! #scriptchat
12:45 am Donna_Carrick: Heh heh RT @SunspotPictures: lol! @Donna_Carrick #scriptchat
12:45 am jeannevb: @pulptone DVRing PACIFIC. ;) #scriptchat
12:45 am yeah_write: Isn't that the truth. RT @dawnjohnston: Time to rewrite when I start congratulating myself on my cleverness #scriptchat
12:45 am AdrienneFord: Sounds challenging RT @karenquah: Best way to test a script - Arrange a cold read with actors who dont know you or your work. #scriptchat
12:45 am PennyAsh: @GinySassenach If a reader has to puzzle out what you're saying you've lost them. Not a clue on the viagra thing :) #scriptchat
12:45 am GinySassenach: @dawnjohnston It goes so fast, It's hard to jump in,have to read fast also!;) #scriptchat
12:45 am 4D4Films: I like it! RT @Donna_Carrick: RT @karenquah: Best way to test a script- Arrange cold read w/actors who don't know you/your work. #scriptchat
12:45 am zacsanford2: if you'd rather be doing ANYTHING other than writing your script, it may be time to put it away or kill it. #scriptchat
12:45 am jrea10010: RT @Donna_Carrick: RT @SKCOMEDY: Neil Gaiman makes the point that if someone says "there's something not working," they're almost always right. #scriptchat
12:45 am PennyAsh: @jeannevb LOL I should start giving lessons #scriptchat
12:45 am karenquah: @GoldenAgeofGeek Absolutely! This is why I make it habit not to write and drink or smoke interesting stuff. Cheers Mike :) #scriptchat
12:45 am Donna_Carrick: Bye! RT @GoldenAgeofGeek: I'm out to. By all! #scriptchat
12:45 am Trigonis: @yeah_write I think it's finished, then I have others read it regardless of draft & it still could "use some work." So...(1/2) #scriptchat
12:45 am SKCOMEDY: Just leave in only the essential SD. Then get some people to come over to hear it read. (cont.) #scriptchat
12:45 am jeannevb: RT @PennyAsh: @GinySassenach If a reader has to puzzle out what youre saying youve lost them. Not a clue on the viagra thing :) #scriptchat
12:45 am pulptone: @jeannevb A reviewer in the NYTimes, I was told, said it picks up after the 2nd ep like we were saying. #scriptchat
12:45 am LifesizeLD: @markezrastokes People probably won't come out and just tell you it's crap. I guess if they're avoiding something you can tell. #scriptchat
12:45 am LindsJacks: RT @jeannevb: *serious face* When u feel like torching ur script, walk away. Write something else. Come back later. If STILL hate it, FIRE! #scriptchat
12:46 am jeannevb: @PennyAsh we need a #cowboysmutchat ;) #scriptchat
12:46 am yeah_write: @PennyAsh Funny how you think what's in your head is making it to the page, and it isn't. #scriptchat
12:46 am jeannevb: @pulptone good! #scriptchat
12:46 am GinySassenach: @robertiwataki Yes it is hard to jump in, have to read so fast!:) #scriptchat
12:46 am PennyAsh: @GinySassenach The key is word order and speach patterns, not trying to write the accent #scriptchat
12:46 am SKCOMEDY: Doesn't matter if you have prof. actors. Your friends will laugh at anything for the first 15 minutes. After that, the truth. #scriptchat
12:46 am HonorKnightASA: @jeannevb Very cathartic! Had several I've had to burn over the years. #scriptchat
12:46 am GCGeek: For what it's worth, brutal honesty regardless of tact is the best thing anyone can offer. Otherwise everyone is wasting time. #scriptchat
12:46 am Trigonis: @yeah_write (2/2) ...another question could be how do you know when your script is "overdone"? #scriptchat
12:46 am diannesalerni: RT @yeah_write: @PennyAsh Funny how you think whats in your head is making it to the page, and it isnt. #scriptchat
12:46 am Thefirstreel: RT @zacsanford2: if you'd rather be doing ANYTHING other than writing your script, it may be time to put it away or kill it. #scriptchat
12:46 am markezrastokes: @LifesizeLD In that case, I think 90% of my tweets are crap! #scriptchat
12:47 am NCP4EVA: Just issues about four hour erections, hehe... Nothing much RT @cinemascribe: What did I miss? #scriptchat
12:47 am dawnjohnston: RT @GinySassenach: @robertiwataki Yes it is hard to jump in, have to read so fast!:) (Next time, gravol!) #scriptchat
12:47 am cinemascribe: My scripts are finished when someone writes me a check. Till then I keep making rewrites as I get feedback etc. :) #scriptchat
12:47 am PennyAsh: @yeah_write Definitely. I've learned to put in even the tiniest detail, you can always cut later #scriptchat
12:47 am jeannevb: Is any1 else anal like me and save deleted scenes? And that is NOT an anal joke... #scriptchat
12:47 am yeah_write: True that!! RT @Trigonis: @yeah_write (2/2) ...another question could be how do you know when your script is "overdone"? #scriptchat
12:47 am SKCOMEDY: You'll hear what's alive and what's dead, what's forced and what works that even you weren't aware of. #scriptchat
12:47 am NCP4EVA: RT @jeannevb *giggle* RT @karenquah: @GCGeek What have you learnt? How to test a script or maintain a 4-hr erection? #scriptchat
12:47 am LifesizeLD: @markezrastokes Ha ha! No! Only applies to scripts. #scriptchat
12:47 am GinySassenach: It just stopped? #scriptchat
12:48 am Donna_Carrick: #scriptchat @jeannevb Must go, Jeanne. Thanks for the 4 hour chuckles! & for the great advice as always.
12:48 am 1chicklette: @jeannevb I save everything. #scriptchat
12:48 am covermyscript: this just happened to me. straining out a teen rom com. out of ideas. stopped working. went for a walk. finished another movie. #scriptchat
12:48 am dwacon: @Thefirstreel When Publisher?s Clearinghouse delivers that BIG check... I will be free to spend more of my time writing...! #scriptchat
12:48 am markezrastokes: @Trigonis I think it's overdone when you've got a 100-page montage of cleverness with no emotional resonance. #scriptchat
12:48 am jeannevb: For our new chatters, if ur having a hard time keeping up, that means u need to drink more #tip #scriptchat
12:48 am LifesizeLD: RT @cinemascribe: My scripts are finished when someone writes me a check. Till then I keep making rewrites... #scriptchat
12:48 am zacsanford2: @jeannevb I save every draft and even have a couple "saved scenes" and "saved jokes" folders. #scriptchat
12:48 am yeah_write: An absolute must! RT @jeannevb: Is any1 else anal like me and save deleted scenes? And that is NOT an anal joke... #scriptchat
12:48 am RickRapier: Right.But had a reader thnk it was poor grammar! RT@PennyAsh The key is word order & speach patterns, not trying to write accent #scriptchat
12:48 am diannesalerni: @jeannevb I save deleted scenes. May want pieces of them later. #scriptchat
12:48 am KageyNYC: Love love LOVE #scriptchat but I was just being wonderfully distracted by all kinds of good career/writing news (more deets later).
12:48 am markezrastokes: @LifesizeLD Whew! #scriptchat
12:48 am jeannevb: night! RT @Donna_Carrick: #scriptchat @jeannevb Must go, Jeanne. Thanks for the 4 hour chuckles! & for great advice as always. #scriptchat
12:48 am richlackey: RT @jeannevb: *serious face* When u feel like torching ur script, walk away. Write something else. Come back later. If STILL hate it, FIRE! #scriptchat
12:48 am zacsanford2: Wow, looks like I missed some risque stuff tonight. #scriptchat
12:48 am NCP4EVA: :)RT @LifesizeLD Ooh! RT @yeah_write: Okay, peeps, I hate to be the party pooper, but the TOPIC is: How do you know when your... #scriptchat
12:48 am PennyAsh: @yeah_write Save everything, you never know when it might be useful #scriptchat
12:48 am iHumble: RT @yeah_write RT @iceberg061 Dont let other ppls opinions sway ur storyline. Its ur story and only you know how it should occur #scriptchat
12:48 am LifesizeLD: Where were you? RT @zacsanford2: Wow, looks like I missed some risque stuff tonight. #scriptchat
12:48 am Evenstephen2000: RT @GoldenAgeofGeek: It can be really discouraging to go back to a story after leaving it sit and wonder, "Now why the hell is that in there?" #scriptchat
12:49 am Trigonis: @GCGeek Well-stated. I like brutal honesty too (& frequently dish it out) but I keep in mind that it's ALWAYS subjective. #scriptchat
12:49 am JasonDalBianco: You know me too well. RT @jeannevb u slept thru the smut talk, man ;) #scriptchat
12:49 am karenquah: @GCGeek Agree. Brutal honesty is best. Better than producers cutting u off, endless rejection or worse, folk leaving the theater #scriptchat
12:49 am blankethouse: @jeannevb I will do a SAVE AS, then start a new one, before I delete on an unfinished project. #scriptchat
12:49 am sunspotpictures: RT @diannesalerni: @jeannevb I save deleted scenes. May want pieces of them later. #scriptchat
12:49 am John_Marlow: #scriptchat Many people in HW will definitely come out and say it's crap--or simply never get back to you, which often means the same thing.
12:49 am jeannevb: Did u all know @KageyNYC launched her NEW BLOG this week!? http://www.kgarland.com/ #scriptchat
12:49 am yeah_write: Yup, I had 2 step up & get them back on topic. Bad @jeannevb RT @zacsanford2: Wow, looks like I missed some risque stuff tonight #scriptchat
12:49 am LifesizeLD: OMG! I'm going to have to get better at speed reading just to hang out in this room! #scriptchat
12:50 am sunspotpictures: @yeah_write Yes, but they can quickly pile into an overwhelming mountain! #scriptchat
12:50 am PennyAsh: @jeannevb LOLOL absolutely #cowboysmutchat #scriptchat
12:50 am UncompletedWork: RT @jeannevb: Did u all know @KageyNYC launched her NEW BLOG this week!? http://bit.ly/cuz1vs #scriptchat Looking sharp!
12:50 am John_Marlow: #scriptchat Naturally, not getting back to you mean many other things as well--but statistically...most scripts are just not good.
12:50 am RickRapier: U have to feel confident about UR work. RT @yeah_write: Okay...the TOPIC is: How do you know when your... #scriptchat
12:50 am jeannevb: @diannesalerni @blankethouse @SunspotPictures yep, compulsive saver here too ;) #scriptchat
12:50 am zacsanford2: @LifesizeLD Writers meeting with @Djordanknight for a new project with a new co-writer. #scriptchat
12:50 am karenquah: @Donna_Carrick Aw, missed u Donna. Got here late. Glad u got some chuckles out of it though. :) #scriptchat
12:50 am lampsreincarnat: @jeannevb I'm grabbing a Bud Light now #tip #scriptchat
12:50 am LifesizeLD: Yep. @yeah_write had to crack the whip. (I say that, even though I'm afraid of what @jeannevb will do with that word, "whip.") #scriptchat
12:50 am yeah_write: True, but need them if gone. lol RT @sunspotpictures: @yeah_write Yes, but they can quickly pile into an overwhelming mountain! #scriptchat
12:51 am mjodirector: Best writing advice I ever got-Write everyday being aware of info u receive from people u come in contact with . #scriptchat
12:51 am cinemascribe: I really like rewrites actually. Getting the main draft complete is usually my harder work then I can rewrite to hearts content #scriptchat
12:51 am zacsanford2: For me, I have a couple friends who will be brutally honest and know the marketplace read my scripts. #scriptchat
12:51 am iHumble: RT @GoldenAgeofGeek: If at any point it stops being "real" to the writer that's when you should stop #scriptchat
12:51 am yeah_write: @LifesizeLD lol #scriptchat
12:51 am DoubleNW: I agree with u all as well. Honesty is so important - I was always told never let ur friends read ur script #scriptchat
12:51 am LifesizeLD: @zacsanford2 writers meeting during scriptchat? Is that legal? #scriptchat
12:51 am NCP4EVA: RT @jeannevb Is any1 else anal like me and save deleted scenes? And that is NOT an anal joke... #scriptchat
12:51 am blankethouse: Is doing an outline, the reason not to get stuck or off track? I know I'm not he only one doing that, right? #scriptchat
12:51 am jeannevb: @LifesizeLD @yeah_write Did someone say WHIP!!!!! ;) #scriptchat
12:51 am zacsanford2: @LifesizeLD It started at four and just ended a little while ago. #scriptchat
12:52 am NCP4EVA: I'm lmao'ing RT @jeannevb For our new chatters, if ur having a hard time keeping up, that means u need to drink more #tip #scriptchat
12:52 am jeannevb: as long as they arent underaged RT @LifesizeLD: @zacsanford2 writers meeting during scriptchat? Is that legal? #scriptchat
12:52 am jolenejahnke: I can only imagine the number of new spam bots @jeannevb will have following her after tonight's #scriptchat
12:52 am yeah_write: hahaha RT @jeannevb: @LifesizeLD @yeah_write Did someone say WHIP!!!!! ;) #scriptchat
12:52 am RickRapier: @zacsanford2 U make a good point about saving drafts - Frees me up to go new direction w/o angst. Can go bk. #scriptchat
12:52 am drmstream: Smart. RT @cinemascribe: My scripts r finished when I get a check. Till then I keep making rewrites as I get feedback etc. :) #scriptchat
12:52 am diannesalerni: RT @cinemascribe I really like rewrites. Getting the main draft complete is my harder work.I can rewrite to hearts content #scriptchat
12:52 am GinySassenach: @jeannevb Yes I'm very anal #scriptchat
12:52 am PennyAsh: @jeannevb I have a huge file of deleted scenes and lines #scriptchat
12:52 am jeannevb: 7 so far ;) RT @jolenejahnke: I can only imagine the number of new spam bots @jeannevb will have following her after tonight's #scriptchat
12:52 am markezrastokes: @iceberg061 Such is the magic of #scriptchat--not to be missed. #scriptchat
12:53 am zacsanford2: Perfect1 RT @cinemascribe: My scripts r finished when I get a check. Till then I keep making rewrites as I get feedback etc. :) #scriptchat
12:53 am cinemascribe: @SKCOMEDY #scriptchat I agree. I had a couple of lines that a few actors agreed were not working and when I saw it performed. It was clear
12:53 am LifesizeLD: @jeannevb needs a serious twitter intervention tonight! #scriptchat
12:53 am RickRapier: From Viagra to anal. Wow. RT @GinySassenach: @jeannevb Yes Im very anal #scriptchat
12:53 am jeannevb: Fave part of rewriting is finding those little details that make the scenes & chars POP #scriptchat
12:53 am Thefirstreel: @blankethouse I found doing a basic outline helpful. But I am trying a detailed outline on newest script. #scriptchat
12:54 am iceberg061: @jeannevb lol figures! Too much tequila? #scriptchat
12:54 am zacsanford2: I recommend to never kill an idea or script completely. If it isn't working, work on something else and come back to it later. #scriptchat
12:54 am jeannevb: I dare u ;) RT @LifesizeLD: @jeannevb needs a serious twitter intervention tonight! #scriptchat
12:54 am diannesalerni: RT @jeannevb: Fave part of rewriting is finding those little details that make the scenes & chars POP #scriptchat
12:54 am karenquah: RT @jeannevb Did u all know @KageyNYC launched her NEW BLOG this week!? http://www.kgarland.com/ #scriptchat #scriptchat
12:54 am LifesizeLD: Careful what you say to her! She's a loose cannon tonight. RT @GinySassenach: @jeannevb Yes Im very anal #scriptchat
12:54 am GinySassenach: @RickRapier missed the viagra episode!: #scriptchat
12:54 am jeannevb: YEAH!RT @Thefirstreel: @blankethouse I found doing a basic outline helpful. But I am trying a detailed outline on newest script. #scriptchat
12:54 am PennyAsh: @zacsanford2 Yes, same here, One writes one doesnt but both know the market and will rip a piece if needed #scriptchat
12:54 am KageyNYC: It's been a helluva week! :) RT @jeannevb: Did u all know @KageyNYC launched her NEW BLOG this week!? http://www.kgarland.com/ #scriptchat
12:54 am jeannevb: @KageyNYC cant wait to hear the new deets ;) #scriptchat
12:55 am John_Marlow: #scriptchat Staging a reading can also get you new lines you'd never have come up with yourself, as the actors improvise.
12:55 am karenquah: @KageyNYC Congrats! Will visit soon. #scriptchat
12:55 am LifesizeLD: RT @jeannevb: Did u all know @KageyNYC launched her NEW BLOG this week!? http://www.kgarland.com/ #scriptchat
12:55 am yeah_write: And the setup/payoffs. RT @jeannevb: Fave part of rewriting is finding those little details that make the scenes & chars POP #scriptchat
12:55 am Trigonis: @zacsanford2 Excellent advice. There are no agents or studio readers in the script afterlife! #scriptchat
12:55 am dawnjohnston: @Thefirstreel How detailed is detailed? #scriptchat
12:56 am AllInky: I put deleted scenes, stuck scripts, pictures, whatever, into boxes and rummage through them from time to time. #scriptchat
12:56 am NCP4EVA: See it's not all play no work on #scriptchat, join the fun RT @jeannevb Fave part of rewriting is finding those little details that make ...
12:56 am jeannevb: If u need ppl to read ur work, look right here for writers to help #justsayin #scriptchat
12:56 am KageyNYC: Lesson learned though - if at first you don't succeed, consider a new angle then pitch again! #scriptchat
12:56 am SKCOMEDY: @John_Marlow And the great part is, if the improvised line is great, you own it! #scriptchat
12:56 am 4D4Films: We're done rewriting when I yell "that's a wrap" on principle photography AND we've made it through post. #scriptsareneverdone #scriptchat
12:56 am RickRapier: Used to loathe treatments - thot excuse for prods not 2 read script. Then had opportunity to sell treatment. Now always do 1st. #scriptchat
12:56 am mjodirector: Others read 4 input scriptRT @jeannevb I think I took us onsmut trail. is if ur script is good enough or crap... how do u tell? #scriptchat
12:56 am covermyscript: RT @zacsanford2: never kill an idea or script completely. If it isn't working, work on something else and come back to it later. #scriptchat
12:56 am LifesizeLD: First draft has a bunch of payoffs. Second draft gets a bunch of setups added! #scriptchat
12:56 am zacsanford2: Wow I show up and the chat dies down. *sniff sniff* #scriptchat
12:56 am karenquah: @John_Marlow Absolutely. They also ask you questions that need to be answered & reveal a thing or 2 about your characters. #scriptchat
12:56 am sunspotpictures: @jeannevb For me favorite part is highlighting and strengthening structure. And CUTTING. #scriptchat
12:56 am UncompletedWork: @KageyNYC New York is a helluva drug! #scriptchat
12:56 am mjodirector: RT @jeannevb: If u need ppl to read ur work, look right here for writers to help #justsayin #scriptchat
12:56 am LifesizeLD: We're exhausted! RT @zacsanford2: Wow I show up and the chat dies down. *sniff sniff* #scriptchat
12:57 am yeah_write: RT @4D4Films: Were done rewriting when I yell "thats a wrap" on principle photography AND weve made it through post. #scriptchat
12:57 am jeannevb: the pill must be wearing off! RT @zacsanford2: Wow I show up and the chat dies down. *sniff sniff* #scriptchat
12:57 am covermyscript: writing 4 u, use detailed outline. makes sciript easy. RT @Thefirstreel @blankethouse trying a detailed outline 4 newest script. #scriptchat
12:57 am markezrastokes: @zacsanford2 No tears. Perfect timing. #scriptchat
12:57 am mjodirector: RT @4D4Films: We're done rewriting when I yell "that's a wrap" on principle photography AND we've made it through post. #scriptsareneverdone #scriptchat
12:57 am Timsn: RT @UncompletedWork: @KageyNYC New York is a helluva drug! #scriptchat
12:57 am Thefirstreel: @dawnjohnston Honestly I would take a scene and write a paragraph of action and character interaction. #scriptchat
12:57 am karenquah: Haha, spoken like a true writer. RT @SKCOMEDY: @John_Marlow And the great part is, if the improvised line is great, you own it! #scriptchat
12:57 am KageyNYC: @UncompletedWork Was that... a Rick James reference!?!?!? OMG, I love you. #scriptchat
12:58 am jeannevb: @sunspotpictures w outline, I feel structure is solid, but some deets missing, so I find them as chars open mouths. Love that #scriptchat
12:58 am sunspotpictures: @jeannevb Using a red pen to strike out what isn't needed is a great feeling. Great satisfaction in page heavy w/ red marks. #scriptchat
12:58 am UncompletedWork: RT @jeannevb: I dare u ;) RT @LifesizeLD: @jeannevb needs a serious twitter intervention tonight! #scriptchat [You mean #twittervention]
12:58 am diannesalerni: @jeannevb Hee, hee, hee! #scriptchat
12:58 am Thefirstreel: RT @zacsanford2: Wow I show up and the chat dies down. *sniff sniff* #scriptchat (Yeah, that happens when smut goes away! Poser followers!)
12:58 am LifesizeLD: Ur scaring me! ;-) RT @jeannevb: I dare u ;) RT @LifesizeLD: @jeannevb needs a serious twitter intervention tonight! #scriptchat
12:58 am PennyAsh: I rarely outline, it depends on the project, and never a detailed outline #scriptchat
12:58 am covermyscript: ideas all have a time. never toss something ever. just keep in story file until you need it. never know what could happen. #scriptchat
12:58 am jeannevb: @sunspotpictures totally agree! I cut 3 scenes today ;) #scriptchat
12:59 am RickRapier: How long to wrt 1st drfts? RT @PennyAsh: I rarely outline, it depends on the project, and never a detailed outline #scriptchat
12:59 am jeannevb: #gunsmokemusic ;) RT @PennyAsh: I rarely outline, it depends on the project, and never a detailed outline #scriptchat
12:59 am lampsreincarnat: RT @covermyscript: ideas all have a time. never toss something ever. just keep in story file until you need it. never know what could happen. #scriptchat
12:59 am 4D4Films: Didn't either in the past, but now... RT @PennyAsh: I rarely outline, it depends on the project, and never a detailed outline #scriptchat
12:59 am Timsn: The energy in NYC is amazing for writing. Constant stimulus for ideas, dialogue, etc. #scriptchat
12:59 am sunspotpictures: @jeannevb No wonder you're drinking. It's a celebration! #scriptchat
12:59 am ttimechitchat: See @scriptdreric http://tinyurl.com/scriptcontest RT @jeannevb: @AdrienneFord some contests offer paid feedback thats great #scriptchat
12:59 am John_Marlow: #scriptchat There are several actors' groups in LA that stage weekly or monthly readings of unproduced scripts. Likely the same elsewhere.
12:59 am karenquah: @PennyAsh Me neither. I'm one of those freaks who like to start with a blank page. That is why TV doesn't really work for me. #scriptchat
12:59 am jeannevb: @MrSpiddy welcome! we're talking how to tell if ur script is ready to pitch to prod or garbage #scriptchat
12:59 am LifesizeLD: @MrSpiddy Welcome! We're talking about how to know when the script is finished, and a bunch of other unwholesome stuff. #scriptchat
12:59 am PennyAsh: @covermyscript Yes. Kept an old story & later discovered it was actually several stories #scriptchat
12:59 am markezrastokes: @MrSpiddy "When shld u stop rewriting or kill your script?" #scriptchat
1:00 am yeah_write: @MrSpiddy You are catching the end. but it's about how to know your script is ready to send out/be read. #scriptchat
1:00 am jeannevb: For all u newbies, don't be scared... come on in... mwhahaha *hands u tequila* #scriptchat
1:00 am dawnjohnston: @Thefirstreel same here: simple --> detailed including conflict, scene desire, subtext etc. #scriptchat
1:00 am blankethouse: @covermyscript Oh ya, I have ideas that r 10 years old, but good ones so don't want to toss them. #scriptchat
1:00 am NCP4EVA: In the process... :-) RT @KageyNYC Lesson learned though - if at first you don't succeed, consider a new angle then pitch again! #scriptchat
1:00 am 4D4Films: @Timsn And even if you aren't in a metro area, just get out and observe people, tons of great ideas out there! #scriptchat
1:00 am PennyAsh: @karenquah Yep I start with a scene and it isn't always the opening scene :) #scriptchat
1:00 am GinySassenach: I think If I lived in NYC I'd be a better writer - just being in the town:))) LOL #scriptchat
1:00 am covermyscript: u never kno what an idea will yield. RT @PennyAsh: Kept an old story & later discovered it was actually several stories #scriptchat
1:00 am HonorKnightASA: @jeannevb Have to agree with @pennyash on that one. Outline cans sometimes get in the way #scriptchat
1:00 am dawnjohnston: RT @jeannevb: For all u newbies, don't be scared... come on in... mwhahaha *hands u tequila* #scriptchat Now you're talkin'!
1:00 am LifesizeLD: Don't drink it! Don't drink it! RT @jeannevb: For all u newbies, dont be scared... come on in... mwhahaha *hands u tequila* #scriptchat
1:01 am jeannevb: Seriously, the script u can't stand, still taught u something, so pay homage to it... but dont give it to a producer! #scriptchat
1:01 am AllInky: Collaboration with the right person can keep a script on-track. You remind each other of "the point" as you go. #scriptchat
1:01 am diannesalerni: RT @KageyNYC Lesson learned though - if at first you dont succeed, consider a new angle then pitch again! #scriptchat
1:01 am LorraineSF: RT @jeannevb: If u need ppl to read ur work, look right here for writers to help #justsayin #scriptchat
1:01 am KageyNYC: Not a newbie but I'll take your tequila! RT @jeannevb: For all newbies, don't be scared...come on in...mwhaha *hands u tequila* #scriptchat
1:01 am diannesalerni: RT @AllInky: Collaboration with the right person can keep a script on-track. You remind each other of "the point" as you go. #scriptchat
1:01 am robertiwataki: I outline the basics of a story. I find writing a treatment helps concise the idea down & smooths it out abit, making it clearer #scriptchat
1:01 am SKCOMEDY: 'Night, all! #scriptchat
1:01 am yeah_write: @blankethouse The really good ideas you don't even need to write down. They stay with you for years and years. #scriptchat
1:01 am jeannevb: @HonorKnightASA @pennyash Outlining is DEF not for every1. I just happen to like it, esp when working w writing partner #scriptchat
1:01 am zacsanford2: My first three scripts will never be read by anyone. Knowing what I write now compared to then, it embarasses me. #scriptchat
1:02 am LifesizeLD: K. Off to feed the fam. 'Night! #scriptchat
1:02 am PennyAsh: @jeannevb @4D4Films LOL Outlining takes the spontenaity out of it for me #gunsmokemusic #scriptchat
1:02 am KageyNYC: RT @jeannevb: Srsly the script u can't stand, still taught u something, so pay homage to it... but dont give it to a producer! #scriptchat
1:02 am DoubleNW: Although, my sis was my 1st editor. She did a wonderful job on my works. #scriptchat she def would've told me if they were crap :)
1:02 am markezrastokes: @SKCOMEDY Night! #scriptchat
1:02 am yeah_write: @SKCOMEDY good night. #scriptchat
1:02 am zacsanford2: RT @AllInky: Collaboration with the right person can keep a script on-track. You remind each other of "the point" as you go. #scriptchat
1:02 am jeannevb: @dawnjohnston @KageyNYC *hands u tequila* #scriptchat
1:02 am 4D4Films: It's painless once the booze kicks in! RT @jeannevb For all newbies, don't be scared... come on in... mwhahaha *hands u tequila* #scriptchat
1:02 am MrSpiddy: Question is, should I postpone the consultation and get it fixed or put my hand up and say I'd value feedback? #scriptchat
1:02 am sunspotpictures: #scriptchat What is it that truly makes you feel GOOD about your script? Answering that question might also give you insights.
1:02 am zacsanford2: @jeannevb @HonorKnightASA @pennyash For screenwriting since you only have so many pages, outlines help more than hinder. #scriptchat
1:02 am GinySassenach: @jeannevb Hey, I didn't get any tequela? #scriptchat
1:02 am covermyscript: matthew weiner, 12 years 4 mad men 2 b realized. don draper started as a 2ndary movie character, in a movie that never got made. #scriptchat
1:02 am blankethouse: @zacsanford2 @jeannevb Dont feel bad, Jean was taking us ona bus ride down a crazy path & "some1" put the bus back on track! Lol #scriptchat
1:02 am yeah_write: I had my first script read early in the process, not to see if it was any good, but to see if I knew what I was doing. #scriptchat
1:02 am zacsanford2: G'night @SKCOMEDY #scriptchat
1:03 am diannesalerni: Good night, all! I showed up late, but it was still enlightening! #scriptchat
1:03 am UncompletedWork: Alright folks, I have to get back to working on this doc. pilot. the cut is shaping up nicely. Soon I will see daylight again! #scriptchat
1:03 am jeannevb: HEY... #screenwriterkaraoke http://www.screenwriterkaraoke.com This thursday at Sardo's in Burbank 8:30 There's a BAR #scriptchat
1:03 am RickRapier: @zacsanford2: I happened to mention 1st script re Nicholl to a prodcr. Wanted to read it. I said no way! #scriptchat
1:03 am dawnjohnston: @jeannevb Thankin' you #scriptchat
1:03 am karenquah: Absolutely! RT @covermyscript u never know what an idea will yield. @PennyAsh #scriptchat
1:03 am markezrastokes: Alright. Inspired. Gonna actually WRITE a little while I'm awake. Thnx #scriptchattweeps! #scriptchat
1:03 am zacsanford2: @MrSpiddy postpone the feedback. You want it in the best shape when you give it to them, otherwise they may point out obv fixes. #scriptchat
1:03 am John_Marlow: #scriptchat If you can?t come up with a smooth, compelling logline that can be spoken in ten seconds or less?the script isn?t ready.
1:04 am dawnjohnston: Thanks all! First time here and it was great fun and informative. Night! #scriptchat
1:04 am jeannevb: awesome! RT @markezrastokes: Alright. Inspired. Gonna actually WRITE a little while Im awake. Thnx #scriptchattweeps! #scriptchat
1:04 am Thefirstreel: @zacsanford2 How many scripts do you have? I kind of want to feel inferior for a moment! #scriptchat
1:04 am GinySassenach: @UncompletedWork Bye #scriptchat
1:04 am PennyAsh: @covermyscript Exactly #scriptchat
1:04 am jeannevb: Our hour is up, & I'm shocked I havent gotten locked out! ;) #scriptchat
1:04 am yeah_write: @MrSpiddy If you aren't on the 4-5th draft, your script probably isn't ready for consultation, unless checking for format &such. #scriptchat
1:04 am UncompletedWork: RT @Timsn: energy in NYC is amazing for writing. Constant stimulus for ideas, dialogue, etc. #scriptchat [Wrote a couple scripts that way!]
1:04 am GinySassenach: @dawnjohnston Good night #scriptchat
1:04 am covermyscript: thats y when a script isn't working, the story isn't quite right, you shelve it until it is. that's how you know when it's good #scriptchat
1:04 am markezrastokes: @dawnjohnston Glad u had fun. Give my best 2 ur angsty teen vampires! ;-) #scriptchat
1:04 am GCGeek: Spent most of the night reading, trying to catch up before finding the actual chat. Love the vibe. I'll contribute next week. TY #scriptchat
1:04 am Thefirstreel: @LifesizeLD Night, thanks for keeping our moderator under control! #scriptchat
1:05 am DoubleNW: #ScriptChat is Awesome!!!
1:05 am 4D4Films: RT @John_Marlow: #scriptchat If you can?t come up w/smooth+compelling logline that can be spoken in 10 secs or less?the script isn?t ready.
1:05 am jeannevb: AMEN, BABY! ;) RT @DoubleNW: #ScriptChat is Awesome!!! #scriptchat
1:05 am GinySassenach: Good night my muses!:)) #scriptchat
1:05 am PennyAsh: @jeannevb Yep, that's what makes writing so much fun, it's different for everyone #scriptchat
1:06 am zacsanford2: @Thefirstreel 5 completed, 2 more in rewrites, 2 more in 1st draft stage and 2 more in outline/development stage. #scriptchat
1:06 am jeannevb: I wld go to the theatre & pay 10 bucks to watch #scriptchat
1:06 am dawnjohnston: @markezrastokes Haha! [licking lips] Thanks. Sorry, forgot my ;-) earlier #scriptchat
1:06 am jeannevb: @GinySassenach U forgot ur tequila! ;) #scriptchat
1:06 am blankethouse: @yeah_write Oh, so u say'n the ones I wrote down suck! Lol #scriptchat
1:06 am PennyAsh: @zacsanford2 I'm looking at it like the script is the outline only with dialog #scriptchat
1:06 am yeah_write: lol RT @RickRapier: Sometimes this has been like trying to understand that fast talking guy from the old Wendy's commercials. #scriptchat
1:06 am zacsanford2: @thefirstreel that doesn't include the 5 projects at work I'm currently developing/writing. #scriptchat
1:06 am AllInky: Good time to stop-or postpone? When you don't like it, have better ideas, or have a western when 14 new westerns come out. #scriptchat
1:07 am GinySassenach: @jeannevb Next time! #scriptchat
1:07 am jeannevb: @Thefirstreel that @zacsanford2 is the First Dude of #scriptchat
1:07 am karenquah: @PennyAsh Love that. Once i started with scene that i realized later was the last scene. Lots of tequila ensued :) #scriptchat
1:07 am RickRapier: I don't agree about the logline litmus. Many great scripts aren't hi concept, so test only for hi concept, not script readiness #scriptchat
1:07 am jeannevb: As always, thx to my #treefort @zacsanford @yeah_write @kageynyc @dreamsgrafter (EURO moderator) for all their hard work #scriptchat
1:08 am yeah_write: Pretty sure they do. lol Just joking! RT @blankethouse: @yeah_write Oh, so u say'n the ones I wrote down suck! Lol #scriptchat
1:08 am covermyscript: RT @jeannevb: thx to my #treefort @zacsanford @yeah_write @kageynyc @dreamsgrafter (EURO moderator) for all their hard work #scriptchat
1:08 am zacsanford2: So we're actually on open chat. Feel free to ask any questions or chat freely. Once again, sorry I missed the "fun". #scriptchat
1:08 am GinySassenach: If I do become a good script writer, does that mean I have to start drinking tequela and smoking cigarettes? #scriptchat
1:08 am RickRapier: Does concurrently working on more than 1 script help w/gaining objectivity? Does me. #scriptchat
1:08 am jeannevb: @RickRapier i agree, logline hook has nothing to do w script readiness #scriptchat
1:08 am Thefirstreel: RT @jeannevb: @Thefirstreel that @zacsanford2 is the First Dude of #scriptchat (Like I said, I want to be inferior for a moment!)
1:08 am John_Marlow: @RickRapier Hmmm, let's say 90% of all commercial scripts, how's that? #scriptchat
1:08 am PennyAsh: @karenquah Me too, love the "wait how did I get here" process #scriptchat
1:08 am KageyNYC: That's screenwriter talk for sexy ;) RT @zacsanford2 @Thefirstreel 5 complete, 2 in rewrites, 2 1st draft & 2 outline/dev stage #scriptchat
1:09 am jeannevb: @zacsanford2 ur in the #treefort, man, u never miss the "fun" ;) #scriptchat
1:09 am yeah_write: @MrSpiddy Can you reschedule? For like 6 months from now? #scriptchat
1:09 am sunspotpictures: RT @GinySassenach: If I do become a good script writer, does that mean I have to start drinking tequela and smoking cigarettes? #scriptchat
1:09 am jeannevb: @Thefirstreel haha #scriptchat
1:09 am zacsanford2: @Thefirstreel The one thing that helps with my writing, I'm actually paid to be creative and the "biz" is my day job. #scriptchat
1:10 am AllInky: @RickRapier Agree completely on the lack of high-concept still being successful. "Big" can be about many things. #scriptchat
1:10 am GCGeek: I'm new to #scriptchat but I appreciate your replies and help! @Trigonis @NCP4EVA @karenquah @4D4Films @jeannevb @yeah_write @LifesizeLD
1:10 am zacsanford2: @thefirstreel Of course one day I hope to write and produce on my own, but can't complain being the Veep of an Indie ProdCo #scriptchat
1:10 am KageyNYC: Woot! RT @jeannevb: As always, thx to my #treefort @zacsanford @yeah_write @kageynyc @dreamsgrafter for all their hard work #scriptchat
1:10 am yeah_write: making my head spin. RT @zacsanford2 @Thefirstreel 5 complete, 2 in rewrites, 2 1st draft & 2 outline/dev stage #scriptchat
1:10 am sunspotpictures: @GinySassenach Only if you believe all those movies about writers. #scriptchat
1:10 am Thefirstreel: @zacsanford2 Yeah, I would think that helps. Only doing this at night wears me down! #scriptchat
1:10 am jeannevb: Before I pull the transcript, does any1 have anything brilliant to say? Or complain about? Or drink recipe to share? #scriptchat
1:10 am RickRapier: Still off point to script readiness.RT @John_Marlow: @RickRapier Hmmm, lets say 90% of all commercial scripts, hows that? #scriptchat
1:10 am zacsanford2: I wouldn't really recommend ever trying to sell your first script, like any skill, you get better with each draft/script. #scriptchat
1:10 am DoubleNW: @GinySassenach U can pass on that 1. Ur choice :) #scriptchat
1:11 am ttimechitchat: @scriptchat gang another good learning experience. Night all! #scriptchat
1:11 am NCP4EVA: I almost Tweeted something incredibly inappropriate about viagras and staff. #scriptchat
1:11 am Thefirstreel: @zacsanford2 But I feel good in the fact I am more focused now and progressing nicely. #scriptchat
1:11 am yeah_write: @GCGeek We hope you enjoyed your hour with us. Check out the web site www.scriptchat.com for more great stuff. #scriptchat
1:11 am zacsanford2: @Thefirstreel Working in development is grinding. 8 to 12+ hour days and then try to write my own stuff night/weekends. #scriptchat
1:11 am RickRapier: Bows, refills ladie's tumbler. RT @jeannevb: @RickRapier i agree, logline hook has nothing to do w script readiness #scriptchat
1:11 am jeannevb: Dont forget @zacsanford2 is @zacsanford ... follow him & @ him so he'll follow back #scriptchat
1:11 am jeannevb: what stopped u!? RT @NCP4EVA: I almost Tweeted something incredibly inappropriate about viagras and staff. #scriptchat
1:11 am MrSpiddy: @yeah_write Yeah, can do. Feel duff about having to cancel, but know it'll be better to offer a more explosive script than poop. #scriptchat
1:11 am jeannevb: @RickRapier *curtsy* #scriptchat
1:11 am zacsanford2: As always, I'm really @zacsanford... argh, @jeannevb beat me to it. #scriptchat
1:12 am yeah_write: @Thefirstreel @zacsanford2 You have to do what works for you. Some people can only focus on one project at a time. #scriptchat
1:12 am sunspotpictures: Good night, and good luck to all with your writing this week! #scriptchat
1:12 am John_Marlow: #scriptchat If you're classically structured (which nearly all commerical films are), the logline litmus likely applies, some indies aside.
1:12 am zacsanford2: Don't be afraid of someone ripping apart your script. Find a reader you trust and you'll grow by leaps and bounds. #scriptchat
1:12 am jeannevb: @GCGeek THRILLED to have more screenwriters in our tribe ;) Did u see our blog? http://bit.ly/b7OJdI #scriptchat Transcripts posted
1:12 am jeannevb: @sunspotpictures goodnight! #scriptchat
1:12 am zacsanford2: @yeah_write @thefirststeel the other thing that helps balance so many projects, I have 3 different cowriters. #scriptchat
1:12 am jeannevb: RT @zacsanford2: Dont be afraid of some1 ripping apart your script. Find a reader you trust & youll grow by leaps and bounds. #scriptchat
1:13 am yeah_write: @zacsanford2 @KageyNYC @jeannevb Rocking the #treefort tonight. Great chat. #scriptchat
1:13 am Thefirstreel: @zacsanford2 I understand. I think you have the benefit of knowing what works . #scriptchat Which is why when you talk I listen!
1:13 am sunspotpictures: RT @zacsanford2: Dont be afraid of someone ripping apart your script. Find reader you trust and you'll grow by leaps and bounds #scriptchat
1:13 am GinySassenach: @jeannevb @Zacsanford Thanks for sharing and I will not be late next Sunday, sorry I missed the Viagra discussion!:)) #scriptchat
1:13 am jolenejahnke: Great to see so many new faces at #scriptchat tonight! #worlddomination #scriptchat
1:13 am John_Marlow: #scriptchat Also on loglines: if you can't do that, your job of selling is 1000x harder, regardless of script quality or readiness.
1:13 am RickRapier: Whether your story is marketable has nothing to do with the quality of a draft of a script. #scriptchat
1:13 am GCGeek: @jeannevb Sure did! It's what got me to the chat room. I was following #scriptchat with Twitter search at first. Yikes!
1:13 am DoubleNW: @SunspotPictures I personally have falling n luv with my characters/their stories. Even the bad guys :) #scriptchat
1:14 am Dealfatigue: @jeannevb agreed. get someone with actual coverage exp. who gives written notes and story analysis (and I say this as a lawyer) #scriptchat
1:14 am zacsanford2: No writer ever gained experience by being told they were great, but by being told where the problems are & how to fix them. #scriptchat
1:14 am karenquah: @PennyAsh We share same creative process. Think we established that during talk of characters changing sex & lost in desert ;) #scriptchat
1:14 am Thefirstreel: @zacsanford2 How many solos? Do co-writers help or hinder? #scriptchat
1:14 am jeanneveillette: yes, I got locked out of #scriptchat ;)
1:14 am dawnbierschwal: Yes! RT @John_Marlow: Loglines: if you cant do that, u job of selling is 1000x harder, regardless of script quality/readiness. #scriptchat
1:15 am jeanneveillette: I AM the pimp MASTER ;) RT @zacsanford2: As always, I'm really @zacsanford... argh, @jeannevb beat me to it. #scriptchat
1:15 am RickRapier: Mixed bag. RT @Thefirstreel: @zacsanford2 How many solos? Do co-writers help or hinder? #scriptchat
1:15 am PennyAsh: @karenquah LOL yep #scriptchat
1:15 am jeanneveillette: I think I saw a monkey fall out RT @yeah_write: @zacsanford2 @KageyNYC @jeannevb Rocking the #treefort tonight. Great chat. #scriptchat
1:15 am zacsanford2: @Thefirstreel Good co-writers help while the bad ones hurt you more than help. #scriptchat
1:15 am yeah_write: @John_Marlow Loglines and pitching are harder than the actual script writing. #scriptchat
1:16 am sunspotpictures: @DoubleNW Great sign! Empathy for all your characters extremely important! Makes for grt conflict when things start colliding #scriptchat
1:16 am zacsanford2: @Thefirstreel Only solo on the past scripts and some of the ones being beaten out. Script Frenzy will be a solo project. #scriptchat
1:16 am John_Marlow: #scriptchat The problem is, without a logline, someone has to actually read your script to judge potential--and almost no one reads.
1:16 am RickRapier: Choosing a high concept is advantageous for a sale IF the draft you let out is good. But that's not been the question 2nite. #scriptchat
1:16 am zacsanford2: Having a solid logline can help. If you check out @spechaser you can see loglines good and bad that are professional specs. #scriptchat
1:17 am RickRapier: Sorry @jeannevb.... #scriptchat
1:17 am yeah_write: @Dealfatigue @jeannevb Did someone say lawyer? Oh, entertainment lawyer! It's all good! lol #scriptchat
1:17 am Thefirstreel: @John_Marlow I find that the logline makes it easier to understand the story. Which in turn makes it easier to write out! #scriptchat
1:17 am jeanneveillette: @John_Marlow Yes, they're critical but if the script cant back up the great logline, whats the point of submitting it #scriptchat
1:17 am zacsanford2: @john_marlow many people can have solid loglines or pitches, but the execution of the draft kills it. #scriptchat
1:18 am TheJudalina: RT @jeannevb: RT @zacsanford2: Dont be afraid of some1 ripping apart your script. Find a reader you trust & youll grow by leaps and bounds. #scriptchat
1:18 am Divacat60: @Donna_Carrick Not hoping to win an Oscar, but maybe a contest. #scriptchat
1:18 am John_Marlow: @yeah_write All part of the package. I actually write loglines and pitches for others, so I guess a lot of folks feel that way. #scriptchat
1:18 am RickRapier: RT @zacsanford2: @john_marlow many people can have solid loglines or pitches, but the execution of the draft kills it. #scriptchat
1:18 am covermyscript: k, have a client tonight. no more goofing. fun #scriptchat. thanks #treefort for being such hospitable hosts!
1:18 am zacsanford2: I go to pitchfests all the time. I'm stoked to check out a script someone pitched me, but feel the pitch and product were 2 diff #scriptchat
1:18 am NCP4EVA: I saw th light hehe RT @jeannevb what stopped u!? RT @NCP4EVA: I almost Tweeted something incredibly inappropriate about viag ...#scriptchat
1:18 am jeanneveillette: I'm in twitter jail ha RT @yeah_write: @Dealfatigue @jeannevb Did some1 say lawyer? Oh, entertainment lawyer! Its all good! lol #scriptchat
1:18 am allegrahuston: Title seq of WATCHMEN: Neil Armstrong says "Good luck Mr Gorski" - does anyone know Zack Snyder? He might like my Gorskis. #scriptchat
1:18 am yeah_write: RT @John_Marlow: #scriptchat The problem is, w/out a logline, sum1 has 2 actually read yr script 2 judge potential--and almost no 1 reads.
1:18 am zacsanford2: I'm be happy with an MTV movie award. RT @Divacat60: @Donna_Carrick Not hoping to win an Oscar, but maybe a contest. #scriptchat
1:19 am purelycarrie: @PennyAsh Came in late #scriptchat May have had a Mojito or two ... Is it silly time yet?
1:19 am jeanneveillette: Thanks everyone for joining #scriptchat... going to pull transcript now. Next week is PROF READER PANEL!!!!
1:19 am zacsanford2: Yippy! Can't wait for the Professional Reader panel next week! #scriptchat
1:20 am RickRapier: Thanks @jeannevb @zacsanford @KageyNYC It's been an informative pleasure! #scriptchat
1:20 am John_Marlow: #scriptchat There are great loglines for terrible scripts--but even so, the logline proves there's a viable concept there.
1:20 am zacsanford2: Also there may be a giveaway next week, I just need to run it by the #treefort today or tomorrow. #scriptchat
1:20 am PennyAsh: @purelycarrie LOL been silly time for awhile now #scriptchat
1:20 am John_Marlow: #scriptchat 'Night all!
1:20 am zacsanford2: And Yeah_write :) RT @RickRapier: Thanks @jeannevb @zacsanford @KageyNYC Its been an informative pleasure! #scriptchat
1:20 am yeah_write: @zacsanford2 I did that with early novels. Queried and got great response, then novel didn't live up to query. #scriptchat
1:20 am jeanneveillette: @allegrahuston yeah! U made it! It's @jeannevb... got locked out for overtweeting ha... imagine that ;) #scriptchat
1:21 am RickRapier: And @yah_write Sorry! #scriptchat
1:21 am NCP4EVA: Pimps and Pimpettes reality calls... It is the transcript I shall hook myself up with in the later-on. #scriptchat
1:21 am RickRapier: Sorry RT And @yeah_write Sorry! #scriptchat
1:21 am jeanneveillette: thx for RTing @allegrahuston's short script! I'm in jail ;( #scriptchat
1:21 am yeah_write: @zacsanford2 @Donna_Carrick @Divacat60 I'd be happy to have the darn thing make it to the big screen. #scriptchat
1:21 am zacsanford2: Out of about 40 scripts requested from multiple pitchfests, only 2 lived up to the pitch. #scriptchat
1:22 am jeanneveillette: If #scriptchat peeps want to read a short film script: chck out @allegrahuston's short: http://www.allegrahuston.com/gorski.html
