Sunday, December 6, 2009

ScriptChat 12.06.09 - Who Reads Your Script? How to Handle Feedback

#SCRIPTCHAT TOPIC: Who reads ur script? How 2 handle/give feedback. What do you learn by reading produced/unproduced
EURO chat: Moderator: @DreamsGrafter, Mina ZaherAMERICAN chat: Moderator: @jeannevb, Jeanne Veillette Bowerman

EURO chat:
2:00 pm DreamsGrafter: #SCRIPTCHAT TOPIC: Who reads ur script? How 2 handle/give feedback. What do you learn by reading produced/unproduced scripts?
2:01 pm DreamsGrafter: Feedback is v. important but equally important is receiving feedback from the right people. #scriptchat
2:02 pm DreamsGrafter: @KrisTheScript Hi Kris, you gonna join #scriptchat? :) Today's topic: Who reads ur script? How 2 handle/give feedback ...
2:03 pm jeannevb: and being OPEN to feedback. Putting ego aside & hearing it real #scriptchat
2:03 pm Bang2write: Too many readers & feedback-givers believe their PERSONAL PREFERENCES for the story are what's right for the story #scriptchat
2:04 pm jeannevb: EURO #scriptchat is on now discussing giving/getting feedback
2:05 pm jeannevb: when I get feedback, I dont want it sugarcoated. I want it BRUTAL #scriptchat
2:05 pm aspiringmama: RT @jeannevb: EURO #scriptchat is on now discussing giving/getting feedback
2:05 pm jeannevb: I dont always take the advice, but i always listen to it, digest it, then decide what feels right to me #scriptchat
2:05 pm DreamsGrafter: @Bang2write Totally agree! #scriptchat
2:06 pm Bang2write: Good feedback doesn't have to be brutal, it just has to be insightful - you can do that any way #scriptchat
2:06 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb Exactly, I want the truth, I want to know I hit my goal or not, where does it need work, all that #scriptchat
2:06 pm DreamsGrafter: @JonathanBart I just discovered Power of 3 network today on Facebook ... How are you building that? #scriptchat
2:06 pm jeannevb: @Bang2write agree! #scriptchat
2:07 pm jeannevb: I also like to know how the reader feels emotionally throughout the script #scriptchat
2:07 pm Bang2write: Too many readers "tick the boxes": why haven't we got a turning pt on THIS PAGE? Why isn't this character "likable"? #scriptchat
2:08 pm DreamsGrafter: Great thing about my MA course was that it was on workshopping scripts ... Developed important skills as a result #scriptchat
2:08 pm jeannevb: when i give feedback, I write on the script how I FEEL in ea scene, if i'm liking the MC or bored or excited, then I mail script #scriptchat
2:08 pm anabalentovic: true in all cases RT @DreamsGrafter Feedback is v. important but equally important is receiving feedback from the right people #scriptchat
2:08 pm DreamsGrafter: At the same time, it's important to read scripts, produced and unproduced. Find I learn a lot about my writing through reading #scriptchat
2:09 pm talented_boy: she gives really heartfelt, real notes and you can tell she cares...and the mailed copy is a blessing =) @jeannevb #scriptchat
2:09 pm jeannevb: where are our usual EURO sidekicks today? Might take a while for peeps to get the time change #scriptchat
2:09 pm Bang2write: Every (well-crafted) script has own logic: you might *want* various things to happen & be disappointed... Don't mean it's bad #scriptchat
2:09 pm PennyAsh: For feedback don't tell me what you think I want to hear, tell me the truth #scriptchat
2:10 pm DreamsGrafter: Workshopping other ppl's scripts u can inadvertently discover u have the same problems which is difficult to see in yr own work. #scriptchat
2:10 pm mfeige: @jeannevb is #scriptchat going on now?!
2:10 pm Ludovicaa: #scriptchat you get so close 2 the story & youre so prepared for negativity that if ppl say positive things you think theyre just being nice
2:10 pm jeannevb: @PennyAsh my prob in giving feedback is i'm not always PC about it : ) #scriptchat
2:10 pm Bang2write: @nausea18 Absolutely. Personal preference has no place in a script editor's mind when feeding bk on story #scriptchat
2:10 pm jeannevb: RT @PennyAsh: For feedback dont tell me what you think I want to hear, tell me the truth #scriptchat
2:11 pm jeannevb: @talented_boy *smooch* #scriptchat
2:11 pm jeannevb: @mfeige the EURO one is on now, but we'll talk same topic at 5pm PT (8pm EST) #scriptchat
2:11 pm DreamsGrafter: @JonathanBart You'll also pick up a lot from working on other ppl's scripts #scriptchat - analysis is a great skill to have.
2:11 pm indiemoviemaker: Most movies are bad, so feedback from people in biz has value? Who's the guru? However, if 10 readers spot same problems, maybe. #scriptchat
2:11 pm Bang2write: Most screenplay writers do not read enough scripts and do not know what works on the page #scriptchat
2:12 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat I always put my scripts out for feedback. I'm the last person I'd trust to judge my own work
2:12 pm Bang2write: And most screenplay writers do not see their words on screen/in the actor's mouth and do not know the diff btwn page & reality #scriptchat
2:12 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb PC is over rated :) What bugs me is the Ooo I like this or Ugh I hate it with no explanation #scriptchat
2:13 pm jeannevb: @filmutopia i'm the same way. Need a fresh eye to see the problems #scriptchat
2:13 pm mjodirector: I consider feedback as part of my learning experience. Of course I don't always agree! #scriptchat
2:13 pm jeannevb: @PennyAsh thats why i like giving the writer back his marked up script. I can then SHOW him/her what i mean in my comments #scriptchat
2:14 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat and when I give feedback I only ever read as far as the script manages to hold my attention. I often don't get past page 5
2:14 pm Mockwriter: #scriptchat Luckily I found a script reader (free) Allowed me to look at the script in a whole different light.
2:14 pm Bang2write: @nausea18 I go into more detail on the #scriptchat - just click the hastag to join in
2:14 pm stina6001: Me too - :) RT @jeannevb: when I get feedback, I dont want it sugarcoated. I want it BRUTAL #scriptchat
2:15 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb I do that in word when I read a story or a script :) My editing background helps a lot with that #scriptchat
2:15 pm jeannevb: @filmutopia i shld prob do that but i read the whole thing #scriptchat
2:15 pm talented_boy: with a written-on script, u get to see what the reader is thinking AS they read instead of AFTER they read...makes a difference #scriptchat
2:16 pm DreamsGrafter: Recent advice fr. ex-tutor: find ppl who have different strengths in feedback - i.e. structure king/queen etc. #scriptchat
2:16 pm Bang2write: Yep, @filmutopia is spot on - so few scripts grab you and take you beyond page ten, let alone the first act #scriptchat
2:16 pm amgamble: @PennyAsh @jeannevbSaying what you think is good, but one point of critique is to be constructive. #scriptchat
2:16 pm ArmyofDave: #scriptchat 1 bonus of getting an agent I hadn't considered is a collection of people who will read N feedback well.
2:17 pm CORKY242: #Screenwriters: check out #scriptchat now and follow @jeannevb and @DreamsGrafter :)
2:17 pm indiemoviemaker: I would rather 50 people read my script, than 1 or 2. Movies are for a lot of people, so want mass feedback. #scriptchat
2:17 pm jeannevb: do u all prefer other writers to review ur work or do u pay professional readers? #scriptchat
2:17 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat The only time I really get cross about notes is when I know what I'm hearing is straight out of some script guru's formula
2:17 pm rikup: Almost as important as receiving feedback is knowing and understanding the person giving it. #scriptchat
2:18 pm talented_boy: @jeannevb i've done both...starting to lean towards using other writers more often #scriptchat
2:18 pm DreamsGrafter: @jeannevb i'm going to pay for some feedback for the first time - just before sending script to agents/producers: #scriptchat
2:18 pm jeannevb: @amgamble i'm always constructive. I tell then what i'm feeling as i read but also suggest how to fix. I try to help improve it #scriptchat
2:18 pm Samuraiko: @jeannevb #scriptchat I've never paid for it, mainly because I've never been quite sure how to guarantee I'm paying someone worthwhile.
2:18 pm PennyAsh: @amgamble I give an opinion usually but I also point out things that need research or are wrong from a technical pov #scriptchat
2:18 pm Bang2write: Peer review can be brilliant... But depends who your peers are #scriptchat
2:18 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat I use a mixture of writers whose opinion I trust and at least one professional who doesn't know me.
2:19 pm PennyAsh: Exactly RT @rikup: Almost as important as receiving feedback is knowing and understanding the person giving it. #scriptchat
2:19 pm Danisidhe: @PennyAsh #scriptchat is on now, too? Oh this is going to be tough Was hoping to join later..
2:19 pm DreamsGrafter: @jeannevb sending script to @GoldenAgeofGeek - important to make sure script is up to industry standard. #scriptchat
2:19 pm KarenSperling: I think you have to have a pretty good idea about whether your script is good by doing homework and not relying on feedback. #scriptchat
2:20 pm Bang2write: Ooooh no it's Danyl #scriptchat
2:20 pm ronwood77: Began writing 2-actor play. But 3rd character, Langston, kept yelling, "Hey, you can't leave me out of this, bro!" Langston won. #scriptchat
2:20 pm filmutopia: @sadknob A friend once told me, if they're giving you notes things are going well... I believe that #scriptchat
2:20 pm indiemoviemaker: On a whole, you still have to have the balls to beleive in your own instincts. Or its movies by commitee crap at script stage #scriptchat
2:20 pm PennyAsh: @Danisidhe This is EURO #scriptchat :) I'm just butting in :)
2:21 pm MireilleM: @indiemoviemaker are you offering people an opportunity to read one of your scripts? #scriptchat
2:21 pm filmutopia: Sorry to all my non #scriptchat followers .... this is a once a week experience sharing session where twitter screenwriter share
2:22 pm ash0283: @indiemoviemaker would love to read your script if you're asking us. #scriptchat
2:22 pm Danisidhe: @PennyAsh Ahhh so US is on later? #scriptchat
2:22 pm DreamsGrafter: @indiemoviemaker so true. if you listen to too much feedback, the script cld get confused #scriptchat
2:23 pm jeannevb: I have my first rejection from Lionsgate framed in my office. He tore the shit out of the script : ) He was dead on right #scriptchat
2:23 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @filmutopia Sorry to all my non #scriptchat followers. This is a once a week experience sharing session where twitter screenwriter share
2:23 pm PennyAsh: @indiemoviemaker I think that's the same as writing what you love/know. Feedback is for spotting things you miss & tech stuff #scriptchat
2:23 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat On my current project I took notes from a pro and she made some great points, and also got some stuff very wrong. It's a buffet
2:23 pm mjodirector: I just enjoy reading screenplays they seem the same & yet different. Hoping 2 learn something unique as I read other scripts. #scriptchat
2:23 pm PennyAsh: @Danisidhe Yep 8pm est as usual :) #scriptchat
2:23 pm jeannevb: @filmutopia how's this new time slot working for you? #scriptchat
2:24 pm PennyAsh: @DreamsGrafter The trick is learning what to listen to and what to toss #scriptchat
2:24 pm DreamsGrafter: @KarenSperling but sometimes, you can't see the wood for the trees - that's when feedback can help #scriptchat
2:24 pm jeannevb: the art is being open to feedback, willing to change, but recognizing what advice is just wrong #scriptchat
2:25 pm Bang2write: What I hate more than anything is when ppl give you feedback on character - and it's all based on OPINION #scriptchat
2:25 pm d0kk: when I give script feedback I read the whole script, so I can get a sense of what is trying to be achieved, what works etc. #scriptchat
2:25 pm CORKY242: @jeannevb + @DreamsGrafter How about doing a #scriptchat via GoggleWave?Am not exactly sure how it works,but it might be an idea... :)))
2:25 pm jeannevb: IMO most writers read produced work but there's great value in reading unproduced as well #scriptchat
2:25 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb Yep works the same with novel writing #scriptchat
2:25 pm Bang2write: Opinion is worthless in feedback - everyone has a different one, they cannot ALL be amalgamated into the screenplay #scriptchat
2:26 pm Pergamond: very much enjoyed your discussion #scriptchat
2:26 pm jeannevb: @CORKY242 except lots of peeps dont have it (myself included) @DreamsGrafter #scriptchat
2:26 pm d0kk: #scriptchat it's so easy to knock people down and criticize - when giving feedback ALWAYS start with what works
2:26 pm PennyAsh: @CORKY242 Might be a lot of fun to do this on wave #scriptchat
2:26 pm Bang2write: If, however they have a RESPONSE within the CONTEXT of the script - wld s/he do *this* 'cos of *that*? - that's different #scriptchat
2:27 pm Ludovicaa: RT @DreamsGrafter: @KarenSperling but sometimes, you can't see the wood for the trees - that's when feedback can help #scriptchat
2:27 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb I also like to read several versions if I can get them #scriptchat
2:27 pm DreamsGrafter: @andycoughlan @JulieMayhew - come 'n' join in w/ #scriptchat! we're talking about feedback ... :) #scriptchat
2:27 pm KarenSperling: @DreamsGrafter maybe, but too many people don't take the time to learn the craft, then ask 4 feedback #scriptchat
2:27 pm mjodirector: I really don't know what i'm doing right now. Just going with the flow - #scriptchat
2:28 pm jeannevb: @CalebHolyfield bc it wasn't a failure... i LEARNED.. that's the whole point. U dont fail if ur growing #scriptchat
2:28 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat I always try to make sure people understand that feedback a) is my opinion and b) that's all it is...
2:28 pm cowgirlwriter: Good advice. RT @d0kk: its so easy to knock people down and criticize - when giving feedback ALWAYS start with what works #scriptchat
2:28 pm indiemoviemaker: @MireilleM Dont feel if you DONT want readers your ego is big. Filmmakers should be harsh critics.So dont feel NEED. However. #scriptchat
2:28 pm Bang2write: Reading unproduced screenplays is an absolute must for writers - know your enemy!!! ; ) #scriptchat
2:28 pm KarenSperling: True! RT @d0kk #scriptchat it's so easy to knock people down and criticize - when giving feedback ALWAYS start with what works
2:28 pm mrbarnard1: @jeannevb I prefer review by other writers, keep├Čng in mind Barnard's Law # 1 (http://MichaelRBarnard.com) #scriptchat
2:29 pm DreamsGrafter: @KarenSperling true. same w/ peeps giving feedback. it's important to know the craft and keep an open mind w/ story being told. #scriptchat
2:29 pm PennyAsh: @KarenSperling Same thing happens in novel writing, you learn nice ways of saying go back to school :) #scriptchat
2:29 pm jeannevb: @mjodirector : ) glad ur here #scriptchat
2:29 pm indiemoviemaker: @MireilleM If 50 people read my script before production, would be cool to see if they highlighted same points.Thats helpful. #scriptchat
2:30 pm DreamsGrafter: when giving feedback, the focus should be on making the story work the best way it can ... #scriptchat
2:30 pm jeannevb: its also imp to give back & remember when it was UR 1st script. Help the new writers grow & learn even if it takes time #scriptchat
2:31 pm Bang2write: To @filmutopia Less opinion than response - subtle diff... Also just bc you don't respond well, doesn't mean it doesn't work #scriptchat
2:31 pm PennyAsh: @indiemoviemaker True, if a lot agree on the same points chances are they're right #scriptchat
2:31 pm jeannevb: by reading new screenwriters work, it reminds me how far I've come. Good reminder #scriptchat
2:31 pm DreamsGrafter: @Bang2write Completely agree re opinion and response w/in context ... #scriptchat
2:32 pm Bang2write: There are 1000s of gd movies, etc we don't like - but just cos we don't like them, doesn't mean they're crap: same with scripts #scriptchat
2:32 pm d0kk: #scriptchat being clear on what KIND of feedback u want is key to getting the feedback u need. Structural? Character strength? Grammar? : )
2:32 pm jeannevb: @mjodirector we have plenty of voyeurs here hee ... esp novelists #scriptchat
2:32 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb Yep I know I appreciate all the help I get #scriptchat
2:32 pm Bang2write: @DreamsGrafter Agreed... Except too many scripts don't have a discernible story in the slush pile #scriptchat
2:33 pm DreamsGrafter: @jeannevb That's why I love reading other ppl's work too ... u learn so much about your own writing. #scriptchat
2:33 pm KarenSperling: @DreamsGrafter yep :-D #scriptchat
2:33 pm KarenSperling: @PennyAsh Yes, all the arts, really :-D #scriptchat
2:33 pm jeannevb: @Bekemeyer i dont have an agent. I just pimp myself & have a great writing partner who is amazing at getting in the door #scriptchat
2:34 pm Bang2write: Why do you suppose so few scripts have no discernible story in the slush pile? Why can't some writers tell a coherent story? #scriptchat
2:34 pm momentsoffilm: Hello #scriptchat folks! Some good discussion going on!
2:34 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat I don think the worse notes someone can give are those that give false hope. Better to be brutal than to lie
2:34 pm d0kk: #scriptchat 90% of feedback from non-writers & blocked writers alike is raw opinion. treat w extreme caution, serve with huge pinch of salt
2:35 pm Bang2write: Why do you suppose so MANY scripts have no discernible story in the slush pile? Why can't some writers tell a coherent story? #scriptchat
2:36 pm jeannevb: when I get chance to read that unproduced script that wows me & makes me want to pay $10 to see it, that's fab... not common tho #scriptchat
2:36 pm DreamsGrafter: @Bang2write I'm writing two scripts at the mo. Want to send you the other one - which is for British tv. #scriptchat
2:36 pm PennyAsh: Personally I like feedback from readers who read the genre I'm writing, I wouldn't send a drama to a conedy reader #scriptchat
2:37 pm jeannevb: @Bekemeyer i actually have several writing partners, but that's a topic for another #scriptchat : )
2:37 pm DreamsGrafter: @Bang2write The other cld be a feature - and @GoldenAgeofGeek is a LA based reader ... #scriptchat - but yes, definitely!
2:37 pm Bang2write: @d0kk Except the laypeople are the people we're actually writing for, so their opinions ultimately count #scriptchat
2:37 pm jeannevb: @Bang2write i think a lot of writers write what they know & really, its not that interesting #scriptchat
2:37 pm rikup: I actually rarely read unproduced scripts, the produced ones are making me mad enough ;) #scriptchat
2:37 pm PennyAsh: @Bang2write Because they never bothered to learn basic story structure #scriptchat
2:39 pm jeannevb: RT @PennyAsh: Personally I like feedback from readers who read the genre Im writing, I wouldnt send a drama to a comedy reader #scriptchat
2:39 pm talented_boy: RT @PennyAsh: Personally I like feedback from readers who read the genre I'm writing, I wouldn't send a drama 2 a comedy reader #scriptchat
2:39 pm indiemoviemaker: Problem with bad readers, they give "Solutions" when all your asking "You bored here, confused there? THEIR ego gets in way #scriptchat
2:40 pm Bang2write: @PennyAsh @jeannevb @VinnyJax641 Lack of chtr motivation & structure defo biggest issue in slush pile for me as a prof reader #scriptchat
2:40 pm jeannevb: how a writer handles feedback can make or break their career #scriptchat
2:40 pm DreamsGrafter: @filmutopia Preferably constructive. U can be brutal but if u offer suggestions, u can help the writer find their own solutions #scriptchat
2:40 pm TheBelugaClub: @indiemoviemaker Ego's are a p.i.t.a - Pain in the Ass - non #scriptchat
2:41 pm jeannevb: @indiemoviemaker some writers want solutions tho so the writer needs to be clear what they're looking for in the feedback #scriptchat
2:41 pm DreamsGrafter: @indiemoviemaker At uni. we were asked to give suggestions, not to tell writer what to do - but to show them they're weren't ... #scriptchat
2:41 pm jeannevb: RT @Bang2write: Lack of chtr motivation & structure defo biggest issue in slush pile for me as a prof reader #scriptchat
2:42 pm d0kk: @Bang2write nope laypeople only know what they like, NOT how to amend a script to that end. Ask experts & get the job done right #scriptchat
2:42 pm DreamsGrafter: @indiemoviemaker ... stuck in a corner. Likewise, I don't like at all when a writer says, so how do I do that? ... #scriptchat
2:42 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat Actually, I've just realised I don't have many opinions about this subject... just what works for me.
2:42 pm PennyAsh: @Bang2write Yes, writers need to take the time to learn story craft #scriptchat
2:43 pm DreamsGrafter: @indiemoviemaker esp. after I've given a suggestion? I've been like, that was just an idea - yr solution's in yr character/story #scriptchat
2:43 pm momentsoffilm: #scriptchat I'm a member of thewritersbuilding.org & believe giving and receiving feedback to be an essential part of my writing process.
2:43 pm d0kk: @Bang2write I'm not saying DON'T consult laypeople, but handle with extreme care. most have no clue what they're talking about #scriptchat
2:44 pm mjodirector: RT @momentsoffilm: #scriptchat I'm a member of thewritersbuilding.org & believe giving and receiving feedback to be an essential part of ...
2:44 pm Bang2write: Sometimes so-called expert feedback-givers overcomplicate things when laypeople can get to the heart of the matter *like that* #scriptchat
2:44 pm Bang2write: My mother for example knows NOTHING about screenwriting - doesn't mean she has no appreciation of what makes a good story #scriptchat
2:44 pm jeannevb: @momentsoffilm i completely agree. I learn fr reading other writers work, even if its rough #scriptchat
2:44 pm PennyAsh: @DreamsGrafter If I have to ask how to, it's usually a format or tech question, never a story one #scriptchat
2:45 pm jeannevb: @d0kk but the "laypeople" are the ones GOING to the films. They are our target audience #scriptchat
2:46 pm d0kk: #scriptchat opinions are just that. are the laypeople you seek advice from representative of your target audience? otherwise... #scriptchat
2:46 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb @momentsoffilm Exactly, without feedback how do you learn or know if what you learned works #scriptchat
2:46 pm jeannevb: @Bang2write and ur mother knows what she'd pay $10 to see in the theater. #scriptchat
2:46 pm HypocriteReader: #scriptchat The only time I get cross about notes is when I know what I'm hearing is straight outta some script guru's formula (@filmutopia)
2:47 pm iscamedia: RT @d0kk not saying DON'T consult laypeople, but handle with extreme care. Most have no clue what they're talking about > agree #scriptchat
2:47 pm ditty1013: @Bang2write I think a lot of beginning writers simply write a bunch of scenes they'd like to see & try to string them together. #scriptchat
2:47 pm DreamsGrafter: @PennyAsh I've had story how to's where only the writer's imagination can solve the prob. 'cause it's their story. #scriptchat
2:47 pm d0kk: @Bang2write there's a big difference between a good story (general) & a good SCRIPT (specific). laypeople can't help with latter #scriptchat
2:47 pm Bang2write: There are films for writers - Adaptation, Memento, etc - & films for non-writers. I want to write for non-screenwriters #scriptchat
2:48 pm DreamsGrafter: @PennyAsh I don't mind suggesting. Think it's a gd thing - but writer needs to know their story to make feedback work. #scriptchat
2:48 pm ditty1013: @Bang2write It takes time/effort to learn the art of story. Many people simply aren't interested in putting forth the hard work. #scriptchat
2:48 pm Bang2write: @d0kk Maybe not, but then I wld venture most scripts in the slush pile have a problem with story #scriptchat
2:48 pm PennyAsh: Writing is like cooking, you start out with recipes then move on to concocting your own :) #scriptchat
2:49 pm momentsoffilm: @PennyAsh @jeannevb It's easier to deconstruct someone else's screenplay than it is our own. And that distanced opinion helps. #scriptchat
2:49 pm iscamedia: RT @d0kk there's a big difference between a good story & a good SCRIPT. laypeople can't help with latter >agree with this too! #scriptchat
2:49 pm d0kk: @jeannevb student films mostly suck, & for very common reasons. laypeople make false assumptions about movies, hurting ur script #scriptchat
2:49 pm PennyAsh: @DreamsGrafter Had those too, and the write it for me bit too, very irritating #scriptchat
2:49 pm DreamsGrafter: @CORKY242 I don't have googlewave either. (@jeannevb) at mo. twitter works as ppl can happen across #scriptchat
2:49 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat The one thing I do know, is if you ask someone for an opinion they'll give one, actually often if you don't ask for one too
2:50 pm Bang2write: RT @ditty1013 I think a lot of beginning writers simply write a bunch of scenes they'd like to see & string them together #scriptchat
2:50 pm PennyAsh: @momentsoffilm Yep, I like 3 or 4 sets of eyes, each catches something the others miss #scriptchat
2:50 pm d0kk: @Bang2write well, from you vigorous defense I think we just disagree on that. #scriptchat
2:50 pm jeannevb: @d0kk i usually have mix of layppl & writers read my work for balance #scriptchat
2:50 pm DreamsGrafter: @julianfriedmann Hi Julian, we have a #scriptchat taking place. We're discussing feedback. Click into #scriptchat for discussion thread.
2:51 pm emmatreasure: Really finding #scriptchat interesting and informative! I'm taking it all in :)
2:51 pm jeannevb: the only person in my fam who read my work is my daughter. She's a great reviewer #scriptchat
2:51 pm indiemoviemaker: Problem is,Just as many bad script readers as bad writers. Will always trust own judgement, at least until get access to best #scriptchat
2:52 pm DreamsGrafter: @johnrackham Hi John, you said you've got peeps to send your scripts to. How do you feedback to each other? #scriptchat
2:52 pm jeannevb: @PennyAsh @momentsoffilm also helps u get to pt out prob & walk away w o having to fix them haha #scriptchat
2:52 pm julianfriedmann: @DreamsGrafter Agree that what is important is separate opinion: this script is good = I like it ie says something about me. #scriptchat
2:52 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb I also will ask for specific things from a reader, especially if I'm unsure something is working #scriptchat
2:52 pm jeannevb: @emmatreasure welcome! : ) #scriptchat
2:53 pm DreamsGrafter: My MA has been a safety net for feedback. Main reason for anxiety when finishing course. Safety net. #scriptchat
2:53 pm d0kk: @momentsoffilm agreed. sharing writing with peers is key to development. all this talk of indiscriminate sharing is a little odd #scriptchat
2:53 pm KarenSperling: Even the best are questionable. Many people get to the top of script food chain by longevity + who they know @indiemoviemaker #scriptchat
2:53 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb @momentsoffilm LOL true. Had am author tell me one to just rewrite the book for her, she was busy. Um, not my job :) #scriptchat
2:54 pm momentsoffilm: I'd rather swap notes with writers I know are good. I wouldn't pay people unless I knew them. #scriptchat
2:54 pm DreamsGrafter: @julianfriedmann Yes, I agree. And good for the writer - to remind them that they're writing a story for an audience. #scriptchat
2:54 pm jeannevb: @PennyAsh @momentsoffilm hahaha that's a good one :) #scriptchat
2:54 pm DreamsGrafter: It's clear though - that there's life after MA - and feedback after MA too ... phew! #scriptchat
2:54 pm momentsoffilm: @d0kk Totally. It's not helpful unless somene can see what you're trying to achieve and point out where you aren't achieving it. #scriptchat
2:55 pm mariblaser: Terribly late for #scriptchat, but will scroll down and see what's going on.
2:55 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat When someone gives me notes that are right on the money, I'm not an idiot, I can see they're right...even if I want to kill them
2:55 pm KarenSperling: I asked a friend at a prodco to let me read a script by someone they considered a great writer. It was awful. #scriptchat
2:56 pm julianfriedmann: RT @julianfriedmann: Bad readers: any criticism shd always be accompanied by constructive suggestion #scriptchat
2:56 pm iscamedia: The problem with laypeople reading is that it's pretty useless when it comes to understanding viability of production #scriptchat
2:56 pm d0kk: @jeannevb I pitch loglines to non-writers. If concept excites then I'm onto something. Most folks cant grasp scripts e.g. my dad #scriptchat
2:56 pm jeannevb: @momentsoffilm I'll read a lot of ppl's work but when looking 4 industry opinion, only give mine to writer/filmmaker i respect #scriptchat
2:56 pm PennyAsh: @DreamsGrafter I love it when a suggestion opens up a whole new door in the story :) that's when it works #scriptchat
2:56 pm indiemoviemaker: @KarenSperling By the best readers,I dont mean by "$$ success" Mean quality projects on CV. If I have success, I can afford. #scriptchat
2:56 pm DreamsGrafter: RT @julianfriedmann ... any criticism shd always be accompanied by a constructive suggestion to demo that reader is tuned in. #scriptchat
2:57 pm jeannevb: @filmutopia not wanting to kill the messenger is hard, but ur right, if they're dead on, u know it instantly #scriptchat
2:57 pm mjodirector: let intuition kick in when writing, and I become part of what I'm working on. #scriptchat
2:57 pm julianfriedmann: @momentsoffilm Prod recently paid Linda Seger $1500 for analysis of script by a client of mine: brilliant and worth $15,000.#scriptchat
2:57 pm xjaeva: I think I'm being referred to as the lay person here #scriptchat
2:57 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb That's right up there with do my research for me on my list #scriptchat
2:57 pm jeannevb: @julianfriedmann welcome! Nice to see you here. If u ever want to see our transcripts http://scriptchat.blogspot.com/ #scriptchat
2:58 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat When someone misses the mark with notes, I know that too, but, I take the time to figure out why. Who said it is irrelevant
2:58 pm d0kk: #scriptchat explaining verbally to non-writers far more effective than subjecting them to script format. If I cant explain, somethings wrong
2:58 pm jeannevb: @d0kk i only let my dad read my articles, not my scripts. He's a great writer,but cldnt handle format #scriptchat
2:58 pm julianfriedmann: I would advise getting a selling treatment read first. See chapter in How To Make Money Scriptwriting for selling treatments. #scriptchat
2:58 pm Bang2write: The problem sometimes w/ feedback tho is we forget what we originally conceived... I call it "feedback fatigue" #scriptchat
2:59 pm DreamsGrafter: @PennyAsh Yes, totally! Those are golden nuggets that make sense on a grand scale. I love those! #scriptchat
2:59 pm momentsoffilm: @julianfriedmann A good script analyst is worth that. As long as they are that good. The studios know, indies don't always. #scriptchat
2:59 pm john_hunter: I think bad readers can be prescriptive without being constructive - ie. Telling you what you *should* do without saying why #scriptchat
2:59 pm FilmLadd: I never ask for people to read my scripts. Only useful thing I've found is to get actors to read in a roundtable setting. #scriptchat
2:59 pm julianfriedmann: I would also recommend the Script Factory course on how to read a script and write a report: I learned so much from Lucy Scher. #scriptchat
2:59 pm jeannevb: hahaha RT @xjaeva: I think Im being referred to as the lay person here #scriptchat
3:00 pm momentsoffilm: @PennyAsh I don't mind adaptations but they are more work so I wouldn't do them unpaid! #scriptchat
3:00 pm mariblaser: Good metaphor! RT @PennyAsh: Writing is like cooking, you start out with recipes then move on to concocting your own :) #scriptchat
3:00 pm PennyAsh: @DreamsGrafter I have 2 readers I know will do that for me :) #scriptchat
3:00 pm xjaeva: I want to do script frenzy in April though #scriptchat but I want to write it for the sake of writing it.
3:00 pm johnrackham: @DreamsGrafter I haven't sent any scripts to anyone and never been asked to give feedback. #scriptchat
3:00 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat I actually hate giving feedback... most writers are so bloody sensitive and I've grown weary of the abuse over the years
3:01 pm jeannevb: if i get one piece of advice that works, the feedback was a success. Just like buying cookbook. Only expect 1 good recipe #scriptchat
3:01 pm DreamsGrafter: @PennyAsh William Goldman said something about never letting those ppl out of your life. #scriptchat
3:01 pm PennyAsh: @momentsoffilm This is my first script project, adapting a novel I wrote. So far it's a lot of fun #scriptchat
3:01 pm PennyAsh: @mariblaser Thanks :) #scriptchat
3:01 pm momentsoffilm: @jeannevb I read a lot too. That's a huge part of how I grow as a writer. #scriptchat
3:01 pm d0kk: @Bang2write : ) no offence intended... I LIKE passionate defence. Besides, diff'rent strokes & all that... #scriptchat
3:01 pm DreamsGrafter: @johnrackham Oh, I thought you had some actor/writer friends who read work for you ... sorry, I don't know where I got that fr. #scriptchat
3:02 pm PennyAsh: @DreamsGrafter Definitely, fortunately one is a cousin and both are best friends #scriptchat
3:02 pm jeannevb: @filmutopia i've brought a few tears to writers eyes. But better to hear the truth fr me than put it out there if its shit #scriptchat
3:02 pm DreamsGrafter: But feedback is also about clarity as well as solving story/structure/character problems #scriptchat
3:03 pm PennyAsh: @filmutopia I'll give feedback but I warn them they might not like it, I don't give out ego strokes #scriptchat
3:03 pm jeannevb: @DreamsGrafter I think u got it from @filmutopia. He said cpl wks ago he had a few readers he used (@johnrackham) #scriptchat
3:03 pm DreamsGrafter: What you think you've written and what's on the page could be different. #scriptchat
3:03 pm mariblaser: Q 4 everyone: Is feedback on screenwriting different from other formats? If yes, in which sense? #scriptchat
3:03 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb Very true #scriptchat
3:04 pm xjaeva: @filmutopia damn skippy! I'm one of those sensitive writers. But I somehow think the harsher it is the more truthful it is #scriptchat
3:05 pm jeannevb: @laineyd7 its all part of the process. If writing is rewriting, then feedback adds enormous value #scriptchat
3:05 pm john_hunter: I agree that non-writer opinions matter to me most. If I pitch it &they dont ask what happens next?, Ive gone wrong #scriptchat
3:05 pm PennyAsh: @mariblaser I think it's different only in the reader of a script looks at whether it will be a good movie or not #scriptchat
3:05 pm iscamedia: Most of the time in our old funding days, writers hated feedback mainly because they couldn't understand the production process #scriptchat
3:05 pm johnrackham: @DreamsGrafter I think I have friends who would read a script for me, if I got to the stage of wanting anyone to see one. #scriptchat
3:06 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat What I try to remember is if George Lucas had handed me the script for Star War, I would handed him his ass, so what do I know
3:06 pm PennyAsh: @xjaeva There's a distinct difference between harsh and tearing someone down for the hell of it #scriptchat
3:06 pm mariblaser: Disagree. U don't have 2 hit hard 2 tell truth RT @xjaeva: @filmutopia I somehow think the harsher it is the more truthful it is #scriptchat
3:06 pm d0kk: quite so RT @DreamsGrafter: feedback is also about clarity as well as solving story/structure/character problems #scriptchat
3:06 pm jeannevb: @filmutopia @xjaeva I'd MUCH rather some1 flat out say "this is shit" than give cheerleader email. Its MY job to motivate myself #scriptchat
3:07 pm indiemoviemaker: I would prefer to have a life of flops and hits, like even most successful filmmakers do, doing my way. #scriptchat
3:07 pm rabbitandcrow: What is #scriptchat anyway? And am I revealing deep ignorance by asking?
3:07 pm johnrackham: @DreamsGrafter But I'm not going to let anyone see a script until it's as good as I can possibly get it. #scriptchat
3:07 pm jeannevb: @filmutopia haha on the George Lucas : ) #scriptchat
3:07 pm john_hunter: I think the feedback thats the most cutting is always when it points out the flaw you were trying to ignore! #scriptchat
3:07 pm Bang2write: RT @filmutopia #scriptchat I try to rmbr: if George Lucas had handed me script for Star Wars, I would handed him his ass, so what do I know
3:08 pm jeannevb: @DreamsGrafter : ) ur excused for the brain freeze #scriptchat
3:08 pm mariblaser: @PennyAsh Makes much sense. I was wondering about the different techniques, but I guess it's a whole different topic, heh. #scriptchat
3:08 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb I try to give what's wrong and possible fixes #scriptchat
3:08 pm Bang2write: I disagree that you need to be harsh to tell the truth when giving feedback #scriptchat
3:08 pm kevin_winn: The trick is to pad the criticism with a compliment. #scriptchat
3:08 pm xjaeva: @PennyAsh I don't think I've been torn down for the sake of it. I think ppl are too gentle with me. I agree though #scriptchat
3:09 pm jeannevb: @rabbitandcrow its a chat for screenwriters. We do it wkly at 8pm GMT and again at 8pm EST http://scriptchat.blogspot.com/ #scriptchat
3:09 pm Bang2write: @john_hunter Agreed. Feedback always smarts when you know, deep down, you were trying to cut corners #scriptchat
3:09 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat The truth of the matter is, most spec scripts suck considerable amounts of ass... all of my early ones were dreadful.
3:09 pm mariblaser: You're a lucky one. I usually need exterior help, heh. RT @jeannevb: Its MY job to motivate myself #scriptchat
3:09 pm DreamsGrafter: @john_hunter Yes! Wouldn't describe it as cutting but yes, a good kick up the backside for trying to get away w/ it. #scriptchat
3:10 pm jeannevb: @johnrackham maybe u shld let one out of the closet & see what some1 thinks : ) #scriptchat
3:10 pm johnrackham: @filmutopia #scriptchat The script for Star Wars is a mixture of rubbish & good stuff stolen from other films.
3:10 pm d0kk: RT @indiemoviemaker: Problem with bad readers, they give "Solutions" when all you're asking "You bored here, confused there?" #scriptchat
3:10 pm raminhossaini: So true RT @kevin_winn: The trick is to pad the criticism with a compliment. #scriptchat
3:10 pm Bang2write: @filmutopia Tell me about it - I think everyone's are. The big thing is how far you can progress and HOW FAST #scriptchat
3:10 pm john_hunter: Im with @bang2write about harshness. V important to point out whats good and works well as well as what doesnt #scriptchat
3:11 pm screamtweets: @rabbitandcrow screenwriters tweeting about the craft via the #scriptchat hashtag
3:11 pm mariblaser: @Bang2write Agreed. An important part of feedback is pointing out what WORKS, and why. #scriptchat
3:11 pm jeannevb: while ur all here, I'm gonna PIMP out @filmutopia's blog. U shld read it regularly http://filmutopia.typepad.com/film_utopia/ #scriptchat
3:11 pm d0kk: WHEN to ask for feedback - RT @johnrackham: I'm not going to let anyone see a script until it's as good as I can possibly get it #scriptchat
3:11 pm mjodirector: RT @indiemoviemaker: I would prefer to have a life of flops and hits, like even most successful filmmakers do, doing my way. #scriptchat
3:11 pm KarenSperling: Hear Hear RT: @indiemoviemaker would prefer to have a life of flops+hits, like even most successful filmmakers do, doing my way. #scriptchat
3:11 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat - and actually the best feedback is production, or a table read... stand the damn thing up and see how bad it is
3:11 pm xjaeva: @mariblaser I don't agree with it! It's just phsychological torture I bestow upon myself. #scriptchat
3:11 pm momentsoffilm: @filmutopia There's definitely a knack to giving feedback. It's tricky to say hard stuff without bruising. But important to try. #scriptchat
3:12 pm PennyAsh: @mariblaser I think the difference is mainly technical, a good story is still a good story #scriptchat
3:12 pm johnrackham: @jeannevb I'd have to finish one first. #scriptchat
3:12 pm PennyAsh: @xjaeva I've had a few like that, I just shake them off and move on #scriptchat
3:12 pm jeannevb: at what pt do u all ask for feedback? Is it after draft 1 or do u work it to death before u put it out? #scriptchat
3:13 pm Pale_Jewel: RT @julianfriedmann RT @julianfriedmann: Bad readers: any criticism shd always be accompanied by constructive suggestion #scriptchat
3:13 pm Bang2write: I don't understand why writers get embarrassed by flops - they've still got their film MADE, unlike 99.9% of the time #scriptchat
3:13 pm jeannevb: @johnrackham i've asked for feedback on outlines b4... but ONLY to industry ppl who understand roughness & structure #scriptchat
3:14 pm momentsoffilm: @PennyAsh That's very cool. I envy those who can write in more than one medium. #scriptchat
3:14 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb I do both, I have a friend who sees it as it gets written, everyone else sees it after it's ready to sub #scriptchat
3:14 pm jeannevb: @Bang2write agree. Plus the "flop" cld be bc of execution of the script, not the original writing #scriptchat
3:14 pm iscamedia: RT @filmutopia: #scriptchat - and actually the best feedback is production, or a table read... stand the damn thing up and see how bad it is
3:14 pm talented_boy: @jeannevb i ask when i feel like i've fallen in love with it and need someone to break us up #scriptchat
3:14 pm d0kk: #scriptchat Grief, why are we ragging on Star Wars now? exceptional & fresh at the time, + Ep4 was the only script that didn't totally suck
3:15 pm mariblaser: @xjaeva Haha! I totally understand that, and try to avoid w/ all forces. I *try*, mind, heh. #scriptchat
3:15 pm PennyAsh: @momentsoffilm Well no one has seen the script yet so time will tell :) #scriptchat
3:15 pm jeannevb: @mariblaser i cant stand it when ppl are cheerleaders to me. Not sure y. ha #scriptchat
3:15 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat - I'm dreadful at notes... mine normally go "I lost the will to live halfway through page seven"
3:15 pm jeannevb: @talented_boy good plan : ) Its so hard to get perspective when ur really close to it... honeymoon phase #scriptchat
3:16 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat of course that explains why I still get hate mail from my home town!
3:16 pm jeannevb: @filmutopia then my goal will be to get u to page 15 :) #scriptchat
3:16 pm PennyAsh: I like that :) RT @talented_boy: @jeannevb i ask when i feel like i've fallen in love with it and need someone to break us up #scriptchat
3:16 pm DreamsGrafter: @d0kk #scriptchat - I was thinking that. Lucas based 'Stars Wars' on classic mythology structure. One reason it's a classic.
3:16 pm indiemoviemaker: I probably couldnt get feedback, because always a ball hair away from burning EVERY script I do. Walk a very fine line. #scriptchat
3:17 pm mariblaser: @jeannevb LOL Must be sincere to work out, otherwise it's plain annoying, as it must be for you. ;) #scriptchat
3:17 pm johnrackham: @jeannevb I only finished Bloodmyth because I had to get it to the actors because I'd scheduled the shoot for 2 weeks later. #scriptchat
3:17 pm jeannevb: very proud of us, btw, it's past an hour & we've stayed on topic : ) Must be more drinking at American chat ha #scriptchat
3:17 pm d0kk: or staged reading, absolutely RT @filmutopia: the best feedback is... a table read. stand the damn thing up & see how bad it is #scriptchat
3:18 pm momentsoffilm: @filmutopia LOL. Though I think if you can explain why you lose the will to live at p7 that's very useful feedback for a writer. #scriptchat
3:18 pm shoshido: RT @filmutopia: #scriptchat I actually hate giving feedback... most writers are so bloody sensitive and I've grown weary of the abuse ov ...
3:18 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat - The worse notes I've ever had where when people pussy footed about. Sometimes I need someone to tell me directly
3:18 pm DreamsGrafter: @filmutopia I guess if you don't get past page 5, it's difficult to make the writer feel like you care their story. #scriptchat
3:18 pm blackrugger: @jeannevb after the 1st draft. That way I didn't spend months on something that is complete rubbish. #scriptchat
3:18 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb Also send out for typo reads :) Amazing what you miss being too close #scriptchat
3:18 pm mariblaser: Indeed. :) RT @PennyAsh: @mariblaser I think the difference is mainly technical, a good story is still a good story #scriptchat
3:18 pm d0kk: @DreamsGrafter always wondered how many uncredited rewrites were done to Ep4. Lucas had free-hand with all the others. sadly. #scriptchat
3:18 pm jeannevb: RT @d0kk: or staged reading RT @filmutopia: the best feedback is... a table read. stand the damn thing up & see how bad it is #scriptchat
3:19 pm Bang2write: @JonathanBart @jeannevb I think @wcmartell words it best: he calls it "the film version" of his script #scriptchat
3:19 pm jeannevb: after feedback I put notes in my script what ppl loved so i dont mess w it accidentally later #scriptchat
3:19 pm KarenSperling: I agree with Terry Rossio, writer of Shrek + other hits: Be the expert http://tinyurl.com/277apc #scriptchat
3:19 pm filmutopia: @DreamsGrafter honestly, if they've screwed the first five pages, I don't care #scriptchat
3:19 pm jeannevb: perfect! RT @Bang2write: @JonathanBart @jeannevb I think @wcmartell words it best: he calls it "the film version" of his script #scriptchat
3:20 pm dklon: @jeannevb Just chiming in for one thing: I find myself acting out the parts out loud while writing. It helps me a lot. #scriptchat
3:20 pm PennyAsh: @d0kk Some people are great at story concept, then they need to hand it to a writer #scriptchat
3:20 pm johnrackham: @jeannevb I've been working on Blood for the Hunter for about 2 years. Made huge changes without ever having had a full draft #scriptchat
3:20 pm Bang2write: I like to get feedback after every draft, but then my peers are awesome, not every writer is so lucky #scriptchat
3:21 pm jeannevb: @dklon I do that too. My kids think Ive lost my mind & it scares my dogs ha #scriptchat
3:21 pm DreamsGrafter: @filmutopia And that's the reality in the real world ... #scriptchat
3:21 pm dklon: @jeannevb Oh, and my neighbors think I'm schizo for it, but it does help to find the voices of characters. #scriptchat
3:22 pm mariblaser: @jeannevb I was wondering on the lack of alcohol, lol! #scriptchat
3:22 pm tumbledesign: Sandwich Rule: Cplmt - Criticism - Cplmt RT @RaminHossaini: RT @kevin_winn: The trick is to pad the criticism with a compliment. #scriptchat
3:22 pm jeannevb: @dklon totally agree... plus its a great test for dialogue #scriptchat
3:23 pm Bang2write: That's it for me... Great #scriptchat everybody... nite
3:23 pm johnrackham: @jeannevb I can't finish a draft if I'm unhappy with something in it. I have to go back and start again. #scriptchat
3:23 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat Movie making is a collaborative process. That's how I really feel about notes. The end result is all that matters, not my ego
3:23 pm jeannevb: @mariblaser yes, I'm missing my #scriptchat drink. I'll be bringing Grand Marnier for tonights : )
3:23 pm iscamedia: RT @PennyAsh: @d0kk Some people are great at story concept, then they need to hand it to a writer #scriptchat > yes! very true :)
3:24 pm jeannevb: @Bang2write does this time slot work better for you? #scriptchat
3:24 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb @dklon I also let the computer read it, helps with pacing #scriptchat
3:24 pm jeannevb: hoping this time slot is a better one for the EURO group. @ me and let me know #scriptchat
3:25 pm PennyAsh: @iscamedia A good movie is a matter of assembling the right team for it :) #scriptchat
3:25 pm d0kk: @PennyAsh We still talking Lucas? I wouldnt even give him that much credit. His concept was always weak. See Eps 1,2,3,5 & 6 lol #scriptchat
3:25 pm jeannevb: humble... nice RT @filmutopia: #scriptchat The end result is all that matters, not my ego #scriptchat
3:25 pm mariblaser: @jeannevb I'm in the mood for something strong, so I'll be accompanied by old Jack, heh. ;p #scriptchat
3:26 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat I'm done for the night as well... thinking in general principles about movies hurts my head. I'm better with specifics
3:26 pm VittoriaCafolla: RT @emmatreasure: Really finding #scriptchat interesting and informative! I'm taking it all in :) me too!
3:26 pm PennyAsh: @d0kk LOL sort of :) High Noon in outer space, not science fiction :) #scriptchat
3:26 pm mariblaser: Works 4 all stories, not only scripts RT @PennyAsh Some people are great at story concept, then they need to hand it to a writer #scriptchat
3:27 pm jeannevb: must get back to writing... will be back to lead up the 8pm EST scriptchat though... come back for more fun : ) #scriptchat
3:27 pm momentsoffilm: @jeannevb Yes, I like the new time. #scriptchat
3:27 pm jeannevb: @PennyAsh i did notice u were a defector ; ) mwahahaha #scriptchat
3:27 pm mjodirector: @jeannevb Insecurities start 2 take over -I ask someone 2 read after draft one or I won't do it! Chicken out :) #scriptchat
3:27 pm mariblaser: @PennyAsh Which program do you use for the computer reading? #scriptchat
3:27 pm indiemoviemaker: RT @filmutopia: #scriptchat - and actually the best feedback is production, or a table read... stand the damn thing up and see how bad it is
3:28 pm PennyAsh: @mariblaser TY :) Yep, and good stories need to be told, it's like a law of the universe or something :) #scriptchat
3:28 pm iscamedia: RT @PennyAsh A good movie is a matter of assembling the right team for it :) #scriptchat > very true - there are a lot of dots to join up :)
3:29 pm PennyAsh: @mariblaser I use pretty much all except the proprietory ones. I prefer ereader and ms reader, then pdf #scriptchat
3:29 pm CORKY242: Will leave again.Wish everybody a great #scriptchat ;o).Good night peeps.
3:29 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb LOLOL I guess we know where my focus is now #scriptchat
3:30 pm jeannevb: @PennyAsh we've moved u to the dark side :) #scriptchat
3:30 pm PennyAsh: @iscamedia Yep everyone from the writer to the guy who sweeps the studio floor #scriptchat
3:30 pm mjodirector: Thanks for invite me to participate in #scriptchat
3:31 pm mariblaser: @PennyAsh Are they freely available? #scriptchat
3:31 pm filmutopia: #scriptchat - one final thing... the only valid script note is a cheque... because it's all just talk until that sucker clears
3:31 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb Cool, do we get a membership card and cookies? #scriptchat
3:32 pm DreamsGrafter: Feedback discussion continues later for US crowd: 5pm PST / 8pm EST. Enjoy! #scriptchat
3:33 pm PennyAsh: @mariblaser Yes, I think you can get all of them from the fictionwise site, I buy a lot of my ebooks there #scriptchat
3:33 pm iscamedia: RT @filmutopia: #scriptchat 1 final thing the only valid script note is a cheque because it's all just talk until that sucker clears > yup!
3:33 pm mhictire: @jeannevb So anyone can join this #scriptchat thing?
3:33 pm DreamsGrafter: @JonathanBart Great! Have a cool rest of the night Jonathan. Until next week. :) #scriptchat
3:34 pm momentsoffilm: #scriptchat Bye all. And good luck with your script notes whether you're giving or receiving them!
3:34 pm PennyAsh: RT @filmutopia: #scriptchat - one final thing...the only valid script note is a cheque...because it's all just talk until that sucker clears

AMERICAN chat:
8:52 pm jeannevb: Want to give a warning that my internet is not consistent tonight, so if I disappear, plz chat... and drink... without me #scriptchat
8:52 pm mckormickastley: @jeannevb or all three, whichever. #scriptchat
8:53 pm yeah_write: Grabbing some chow and I'll BRB #scriptchat
8:54 pm jeannevb: grabbing a Grand Marnier.... brb #scriptchat
8:56 pm yeah_write: I just filled my glass with GM. lol RT @jeannevb: grabbing a Grand Marnier.... brb #scriptchat
8:56 pm mckormickastley: Dark Rye and I'll be back right. #scriptchat
8:56 pm garnerhaines: @jeannevb I've got some Guinness downstairs. brb #scriptchat
8:57 pm jolenejahnke: Heading over to Tweetchat.com for some #scriptchat. Feel free to join in!
8:57 pm yeah_write: Regular followers, yes it's that time again. So just ignore my tweets for the next hour if not interested in screenwriting. #scriptchat
8:57 pm jeannevb: @davidwcooper just an FYI, the EURO #scriptchat moved to 8pm GMT (3pm EST) So that's another option : ) ALways do same topic
8:57 pm mckormickastley: what's the topic? or is that a special secret for 3 more minutes... #scriptchat
8:57 pm jeannevb: @davidwcooper and very nice to see you, David #scriptchat
8:57 pm jeannevb: @garnerhaines most excellent #scriptchat
8:58 pm yeah_write: @jolenejahnke Hello young lady. #scriptchat
8:58 pm jeannevb: i turned off "all friends" on tweetdeck so hoping I wont get locked out yet again tonight but if i do, look 4 @jeanneveillette #scriptchat
8:59 pm mckormickastley: Just finished watching UP again - PIXAR tells a perfect story, every beat is timed, measured and calculated, w/o feeling fake #scriptchat
8:59 pm jolenejahnke: @yeah_write Hi ya! #scriptchat
8:59 pm yeah_write: @zacsanford has family in town today, so he likely won't be able to join us. #scriptchat
9:00 pm jeannevb: i dont see @dawnbierschwal here yet... hey babe, put down those xmas lights & get over here! #scriptchat
9:00 pm jmiewald: Do you guys watch "The Dialogue"? If yes, what advise do you feel was most valuable? #scriptchat
9:00 pm jeannevb: here we go.... #scriptchat
9:00 pm jeannevb: #scriptchat TOPIC: Who reads ur script? How 2 handle/give feedback. What u learn by reading produced/unproduced scripts #scriptchat
9:00 pm dawnbierschwal: Finished decorating tree in the Nick of time. #scriptchat
9:00 pm jeannevb: we had a great convo on EURO scriptchat today (which is now 3pm EST if any want to join in), so let's continue the glee #scriptchat
9:01 pm jeannevb: for me, feedback is essential since writing is all about the rewriting. U need to get some distance & be vulnerable #scriptchat
9:01 pm jeannevb: @dawnbierschwal yeah! : ) #scriptchat
9:01 pm karenquah: @jeannevb ciao bella! Only 1 person reads my script. Someone i trust-editor. Until it's completely ready to go into big world. #scriptchat
9:01 pm jmiewald: Off to scriptchat. Normal followers disregard. #scriptchat
9:02 pm PennyAsh: @jmiewald Have not seen that what channel? #scriptchat
9:02 pm jeannevb: @jmiewald we're talking feedback tonight. How to give/get and what to do w it... the value of reading unproduced writers #scriptchat
9:03 pm dawnbierschwal: To me, helpful to have a number of people read to see if there are common reactions/themes. #scriptchat
9:03 pm jmiewald: @PennyAsh I watch them on Netflix. I am not sure where they premiered. Bravo? #scriptchat
9:03 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb An unlooked for benefit of reading others' work is learning what not to do yourself #scriptchat
9:03 pm mckormickastley: I would love a writing partner - or at least a sounding board - feedback is everything to me #scriptchat
9:03 pm jeannevb: @karenquah cool. I've heard ppl shld get 5 trusted opinions before pitching. U must really trust that editor : ) #scriptchat
9:03 pm PennyAsh: @jmiewald Have to see if I can find it. #scriptchat
9:03 pm KageyNYC2: Transitioning from fiction to screenwriting - took reading produced screenplays to change mindset, e.g. no internal dialogue etc #scriptchat
9:04 pm glowmoment: Sounds divine....RT @jeannevb: grabbing a Grand Marnier.... brb #scriptchat
9:04 pm garnerhaines: Got stalled due to sudden appearance on desk of my cat. Good evening folks! #scriptchat
9:04 pm jeannevb: Its also important to be really honest in feedback & not tell the person what they want to hear. They need to learn #scriptchat
9:04 pm KageyNYC2: Spent the summer reading a TON of produced screenplays & that was invaluable ? started internalizing format & rhythm #scriptchat
9:04 pm yeah_write: Feedback that tries to spare your feelings isn't feedback, it's back patting. I perfer honesty. I'll cuss you when you can't... #scriptchat
9:04 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb 1st draft is the foundation, rewrites are the walls and sheetrock :) #scriptchat
9:04 pm mckormickastley: I read everything scriptshadow.blogspot.com puts up and love his critiques and "what i learned" #scriptchat
9:05 pm chaosfilms: #scriptchat I only let a small group of folks read my work. I trust them to not say things that aren't relevant to what they're reading.
9:05 pm garnerhaines: @mckormickastley You should listen to the Creative Screenwriting podcast. Pixar rewrites & rewrites & rewrites until it's done. #scriptchat
9:05 pm jmiewald: @jeannevb I know I cultivate and seek out good readers. It's hard to find honest brutal but valuable advice #scriptchat
9:05 pm jeannevb: @mckormickastley we'll actually talk writing partners as a topic one night... u shld come for that one 2. I'll give u headsup #scriptchat
9:05 pm doingsoso: RT @JLichtenberg: RT @raminhossaini @kevin_winn #scriptchat I think the trick is to explain why criticism is needed, where it fails and ...
9:05 pm karenquah: @jeannevb yes, find getting more than 1 opinion during birthing stage is confusing, esp. if opinions differ. #scriptchat
9:05 pm yeah_write: ...see me, but later I'll be Thank god they were honest. And wow, I really need to work on that. #scriptchat
9:05 pm jmiewald: I keep a list of names, phone numbers and email addresses of people that gave good feedback #scriptchat
9:05 pm mckormickastley: The hardest thing about giving feedback is distancing my thoughts on the story with my thoughts on how the story is told #scriptchat
9:06 pm jeannevb: @karenquah too many labor nurses in the room ha #scriptchat
9:06 pm garnerhaines: @karenquah In the case of ties, the writer wins. #scriptchat
9:06 pm mckormickastley: @garnerhaines that's already a staple, the Andrew Stanton - WALL-E podcast was excellent. #scriptchat
9:06 pm jmiewald: The worst feedback is "It was good. I liked it." #scriptchat
9:06 pm PennyAsh: @mckormickastley What genre? #scriptchat
9:06 pm jeannevb: @NikisNotes yep, jump in babe... we're talking the benefits of giving/getting feedback on ur work #scriptchat #scriptchatvirgin
9:07 pm karenquah: @chaosfilms yes, me too. have to trust the people reading your stuff. they are your audience until u are ready to let it go #scriptchat
9:07 pm garnerhaines: @mckormickastley As a writer, do you find yourself thinking, "Well if I was writing this, I would've..." #scriptchat
9:07 pm brozogirl: @PennyAsh Just signed in . What's the #scriptchat?
9:07 pm cmhoughton: RT @jeannevb: for me, feedback is essential since writing is all about the rewriting. U need some distance & be vulnerable #scriptchat
9:07 pm mckormickastley: @garnerhaines I also watched the Alternate Endings special feature in UP & Doctor/Peterson explain their choices for endings. #scriptchat
9:07 pm jeannevb: totally agree RT @jmiewald: The worst feedback is "It was good. I liked it." #scriptchat
9:07 pm karenquah: @jeannevb exactly! all you need is one kick-ass labor nurse and lots of drugs - ha #scriptchat
9:07 pm jeannevb: #scriptchat TOPIC: Who reads ur script? How 2 handle/give feedback. What u learn by reading produced/unproduced scripts #scriptchat
9:07 pm mckormickastley: @PennyAsh what genre do I write? #scriptchat
9:07 pm garnerhaines: @mckormickastley I just heard the UP podcast, and they talked about the rewrite process. "When does it end?" "The premiere" #scriptchat
9:08 pm PennyAsh: @KageyNYC2 I'm finding that the hardest part, my characters talk to themselves a lot lol #scriptchat
9:08 pm jeannevb: @brozogirl just reposted topic... about giving/getting feedback #scriptchat
9:08 pm jolenejahnke: Several online script contests offer great feedback for a low cost. I like Script Savvy. #scriptchat
9:08 pm karenquah: @garnerhaines yes, most definitely. #scriptchat
9:08 pm PennyAsh: @yeah_write Absolutely, I'd much rather get ripped than a pat on the back #scriptchat
9:08 pm garnerhaines: @jeannevb Argh! #scriptchat
9:08 pm mckormickastley: @garnerhaines yah, that's the hardest thing to ignore, 2 not try 2 influence the type of story, but how THIS story is being told #scriptchat
9:08 pm jeannevb: when I read writer's work, I scribble on hard copy & mail it to them. Then they can see WHERE I lost int or liked or what I felt #scriptchat
9:08 pm jeannevb: RT @jolenejahnke: Several online script contests offer great feedback for a low cost. I like Script Savvy. #scriptchat
9:08 pm karenquah: @brozogirl hey chica! discussing feedback. #scriptchat
9:09 pm PennyAsh: @mckormickastley Yep :) Happy to do a critique on anything but splatter horror :) #scriptchat
9:09 pm PennyAsh: @brozogirl Feedback :) #scriptchat
9:09 pm chaosfilms: Worst feedback is "Interesting." #scriptchat
9:09 pm karenquah: @jeannevb HATE giving feedback. Hate, hate, hate. #scriptchat
9:09 pm jeannevb: besides having tough skin, u also need to know what NOT to listen to & to still be true to UR vision & story #scriptchat
9:10 pm jmiewald: As for feedback, I try to think in a way contrary to how the writer thought. Like if it is emotional, all feedback is logical. #scriptchat
9:10 pm jeannevb: so its ok to just smile and say "Thank you" and move on. WHen I give feedback I always tell the person my thoughts might suck #scriptchat
9:10 pm garnerhaines: @jeannevb It's also possible to do that with PDFs on Adobe Acrobat Pro, there's even a pencil tool to draw stuff if necessary. #scriptchat
9:10 pm mckormickastley: @PennyAsh nice, I don't really have a particular genre, but nothing is currently in the splatter horror... yet #scriptchat
9:10 pm jeannevb: @karenquah really? I dont hate it unless its someone who cant take it. I give it raw and real, so some ppl arent prepared #scriptchat
9:10 pm jeannevb: @chaosfilms hi! Great to see you here! : ) #scriptchat
9:11 pm dawnbierschwal: You could end up chasing your tail if you listen to every producer who has a diff't opinion on what script should be. #scriptchat
9:11 pm brozogirl: @karenquah Hola. Feedback seems the best answer, but there can be too many cooks in the kitchen. We have to decide where to go. #scriptchat
9:11 pm jeannevb: @garnerhaines cool! I'll have to check that out.Love learning new things here :) #scriptchat
9:11 pm yeah_write: Giving feedback on a script is so much easier than novels. I can read in one sitting, then reread with notes. #scriptchat
9:11 pm chaosfilms: I think everything is worth listening to. I make a choice of whether I should consider the feedback viable. #scriptchat
9:12 pm PennyAsh: @mckormickastley LOL I plan on doing horror but I like the psychological kind better than slasher :) #scriptchat
9:12 pm jeannevb: RT @dawnbierschwal: You end up chasing ur tail if you listen 2 every producer who has difft opinion on what script should be. #scriptchat
9:12 pm garnerhaines: @PennyAsh That's another thing, what if the genre isn't your cup of tea? I'd be Disclaimer Boy and press on, but beware. #scriptchat
9:12 pm jeannevb: @chaosfilms yes, choosing what is valuable is key for me too #scriptchat
9:12 pm karenquah: @jeannevb yes, give it raw and real and always told in not so many words to f-off. bloody ungrateful bastards *grin* #scriptchat
9:13 pm karenquah: @brozogirl that's why 1 cook is best - besides you. #scriptchat
9:13 pm mckormickastley: I'm very green and have very little confidence in my own work, so the best feedback is from people who know how to read a script #scriptchat
9:13 pm jeannevb: @karenquah i've made a few cry... i'm not good at sugarcoating my feedback... I need to work on that #scriptchat
9:13 pm KageyNYC2: I'm a HUGE fan of writer's groups & workshops, no investment personally, less hurt feelings, just group pact to give best fdbck. #scriptchat
9:13 pm jmiewald: Do you only go to writers for feedback? #scriptchat
9:13 pm mckormickastley: Although, anybody (friends, etc) can yield invaluable critiques on clarity, character, boredom, blase... #scriptchat
9:14 pm jeannevb: do u have set questions u ask a reader b4 handing over ur work or do u just say "hey can u give me feedback?" #scriptchat
9:14 pm garnerhaines: If at all possible, I prefer to watch the person as they're reading, so I can note the LOL moments. #scriptchat
9:14 pm PennyAsh: @garnerhaines I generally can look past genre and focus on the story & tech stuff, learned that as an editor #scriptchat
9:14 pm mckormickastley: @PennyAsh I have a psychological thriller with a bit of blood on the back burner, but it might end up being a short #scriptchat
9:14 pm karenquah: @jeannevb sugarcoating, bah. As a producer once said to me, u need validation? call your mother. #toughluv #scriptchat
9:14 pm jeannevb: @jmiewald i go to writers I respect, but also go to laypeople who I think wld enjoy it if it were a film. THey r my target #scriptchat
9:14 pm yeah_write: Blunt is better. RT @jeannevb: @karenquah ive made a few cry... im not good at sugarcoating my feedback... #scriptchat
9:14 pm eyamie: this week my major discovery was www.triggerstreet.com #scriptchat
9:15 pm jeannevb: @garnerhaines i had some scenes read at a film festival w actors & a crowd. Comedy. It was awesome to hear the laughter! #scriptchat
9:15 pm garnerhaines: @KageyNYC2 Absolutely. If you're all at the same level, so much the better, as long as the understanding of honesty is there #scriptchat
9:15 pm jeannevb: @yeah_write i dont think i made u cry, did I? heehee #scriptchat
9:15 pm jmiewald: If you have not seen Seinfeld's Comedian, see it. He runs his jokes by people at bus stops. It's great to see how hard he works. #scriptchat
9:15 pm dawnbierschwal: @jeannevb and I asked readers to mark the script each time they laughed. #scriptchat
9:15 pm PennyAsh: @mckormickastley It's not the blood that bothers me it's most slasher stuff is rather light on plot or story :) #scriptchat
9:15 pm garnerhaines: @jmiewald No, I prefer feedback from J.Q.Public, since they'll be my audience and may not have the same filters I do. #scriptchat
9:15 pm chaosfilms: I like to ask for specific feedback. #scriptchat
9:16 pm karenquah: @yeah_write yep, if you don't do it, the next person will and you won't be doing the writer any favors in long run. #scriptchat
9:16 pm mckormickastley: I see the script as a sort of puzzle that I'm trying to piece together, feedback clarifies what pieces are in the right place #scriptchat
9:16 pm garnerhaines: @jmiewald At the same time, most -nonscreenwriter- people don't read scripts, or don't like to, from my experience. #scriptchat
9:16 pm jeannevb: 1 thing @dawnbierschwal & I do is make notes in our script where ppl loved somethign so we dont accidentally mess w it #scriptchat
9:16 pm mckormickastley: @PennyAsh Ah, but SAW was so great though #scriptchat
9:16 pm yeah_write: @jeannevb No crying here. But you only read the first 10 pages. After I got your feedback I went through the whole script again. #scriptchat
9:16 pm PennyAsh: @yeah_write @jeannevb @karenquah One can be blunt without being mean :) #toughluv #scriptchat
9:16 pm tylerweaver: @jeannevb, @karenquah - If I get ripped apart, I always think, "Ithey took the time to kick its ass." Appreciation ensues. #scriptchat
9:16 pm jmiewald: I go to writers on early drafts that need structure and the basics. Later to real people when I think I have it all figured out. #scriptchat
9:17 pm eyamie: @chaosfilms me too. Otherwise you get platitudes #scriptchat
9:17 pm PennyAsh: @mckormickastley LOL will admit I never saw it :D #scriptchat
9:17 pm mckormickastley: @garnerhaines my problem with J.Q. Public is that reading a screenplay is also a skill, the form can be distracting for some #scriptchat
9:17 pm PennyAsh: @mckormickastley I prefer clippers #scriptchat
9:17 pm garnerhaines: @dawnbierschwal My editor wife puts little :) smiley faces in the margins, or sometimes "HA!" or "Tee hee!" #scriptchat
9:17 pm jolenejahnke: @jmiewald The prsn I trust most 4 honest feedback isn't a writer, but has excellent instincts. She picks out things I don't see. #scriptchat
9:17 pm dawnbierschwal: Having specific questions to ask is good... but wait until after they read or you influence how they read/what they look for #scriptchat
9:17 pm jeannevb: @jmiewald agree. Writers r better to approach when ur in the foundation stage #scriptchat
9:17 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb Yarget audience readers are invaluable #scriptchat
9:17 pm yeah_write: @jeannevb I was so worried about writing in present that I didn't realize I was also writing passive at the same time,ING is bad #scriptchat
9:18 pm KageyNYC2: @garnerhaines That understanding is what I love, all will give & receive, keeps u honest, unlike BFF, who has everything to lose #scriptchat
9:18 pm karenquah: @tylerweaver @jeannevb good 4 u! In that case, would be glad to kick your ass anyday - ha! #scriptchat
9:18 pm brozogirl: @jeannevb @karenquah @PennyAsh Hola! Yes. I have had far different opinions. Good to consider, but it can mess a story also. #scriptchat
9:18 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb Target even, and all I've had is pepsi #scriptchat
9:18 pm garnerhaines: @PennyAsh I like to balance +ve and -ve comments. I make sure to say what works, often people don't acknowledge that. #scriptchat
9:18 pm jeannevb: @yeah_write but on the 1st draft, whats imp is to just get it on paper even if its shit. Thats what the rewrite is for #scriptchat
9:19 pm PennyAsh: @brozogirl That's why you learn what is useful and what to chuck #scriptchat
9:19 pm yeah_write: All of my readers are long distance, so when I'm in the fuming stage no one sees. I don't reply until I'm in my right mind. #scriptchat
9:19 pm CheekyWench: ::ducksin:: Is this for Pirates? Yarrrrget RT @PennyAsh: @jeannevb Yarget audience readers are invaluable #scriptchat
9:19 pm eyamie: @mckormickastley As long you accept that lens and ask non-writer the right questions, you get a good perspective #scriptchat
9:19 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb Exactly. No one will see Puca until I'm sure it's as good as I can get it #scriptchat
9:19 pm jeannevb: @karenquah @tylerweaver love that. I appreciate someone tearing me apart so much that I framed my first "this is shit" pass #scriptchat
9:20 pm yeah_write: @jeannevb Funny that, but I hadn't even realized I was writing passive until you pointed it out. #scriptchat
9:20 pm dawnbierschwal: @jeannevb And I LOVE seeing those notes everytime I read it. : ) #scriptchat
9:20 pm MonicaEmme: What is the topic tonight? #scriptchat
9:20 pm jeannevb: @eyamie @mckormickastley I tned to ask nonwriters more general, emotional questions. DId u like MC, cld u follow plot, etc #scriptchat
9:21 pm garnerhaines: I used to have a reader who would also put "Hate her!" in comments as well; emotional reactions to characters. #scriptchat
9:21 pm PennyAsh: @garnerhaines Yeah, I always try to give a possible fix for something I pick out as not working #scriptchat
9:21 pm garnerhaines: @MonicaEmme Feedback. #scriptchat
9:21 pm PennyAsh: @CheekyWench LOL Yep :) #scriptchat
9:22 pm yeah_write: a reader can point out what you had in your head, but didn't come out on the page. My critique partner reminds me of this a lot. #scriptchat
9:22 pm davidspies: @jeannevb I'll be looking 4 script coverage soon & would appreciate hard honest feedback. Nice will not make me a better writer #scriptchat
9:22 pm jmiewald: @garnerhaines I get emotional reactions, too. I think that's good. At least they felt something, even if it is hate. #scriptchat
9:22 pm jeannevb: I think twitter is having issues again #scriptchat
9:22 pm yeah_write: @garnerhaines I love the emotional reactions in the notes! But only if they are on par. lol #scriptchat
9:22 pm MonicaEmme: ew exciting. I'm just starting a crit group #scriptchat
9:23 pm jeannevb: @monicaemme topic is giving/getting feedback #scriptchat
9:23 pm brozogirl: @karenquah Ha! I don't want you to sugarcoat me. Please be brutal to get my arse straight. #scriptchat Still friends though?
9:23 pm garnerhaines: @PennyAsh Exactly. I offer suggestions, "Maybe you should..." #scriptchat
9:23 pm jmiewald: The second worst feedback is the frustrated person who says you cannot write because they cannot write. #scriptchat
9:23 pm eyamie: @jeannevb me too. also i verify that they're inferring what i hope an audience would infer ... subtext #scriptchat
9:23 pm ReneeRenegade: Hey gang--I'm staggering in a bit late. Topic? #scriptchat
9:23 pm yeah_write: I think part of feedback is that the writer is embarassed about making obvious mistakes. Or not having the right dialogue. #scriptchat
9:24 pm jeannevb: @NikisNotes for me is if the script moved u, if u got lost at all, if u cared about ppl in it #scriptchat
9:24 pm eyamie: I was just about to start a WG when I came across Kevin Spacey's site. #scriptchat
9:24 pm garnerhaines: @ReneeRenegade Feedback, what makes good feedback, who you go to for it, etc. #scriptchat
9:24 pm PennyAsh: @garnerhaines I love comments on the characters, lets me know they work #scriptchat
9:25 pm yeah_write: @ReneeRenegade feedback and reading other's work is TOPIC #scriptchat
9:25 pm PennyAsh: @garnerhaines Yep, or what if you did this here... #scriptchat
9:25 pm LisaFromNYC: when critiqn I break it up by chars, plot & a reaction section to diff lines: confusion, curiosity, lol'd etc. #scriptchat
9:25 pm PennyAsh: @ReneeRenegade Feedback, receiving and giving it #scriptchat
9:25 pm jeannevb: I'm having tech diff w twitter online. Working off my phone. I'm sure I'll miss a lot but bear w me #scriptchat
9:26 pm yeah_write: @eyamie Trigger Street is great for reading other's work. Reading unproduced scripts is important. #scriptchat
9:26 pm dawnbierschwal: Used screenplayreaders.com once. Not too expensive, VERY fast, very thorough and great notes! #scriptchat
9:26 pm garnerhaines: I have a friend who's a hard core movie nit-picker, but he's refused to read me. He'd be the most useful if he could be honest. #scriptchat
9:26 pm davidspies: Brutally honest feedback is the only way to learn and grow. I will be excited to see where I can make improvements in writing. #scriptchat
9:26 pm ReneeRenegade: for feedback, avoid writers & chk w/ target audience. #scriptchat
9:26 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb No problem twitter is being hinky tonight #scriptchat
9:27 pm mckormickastley: @eyamie Good point. #scriptchat
9:27 pm jmiewald: The golden rule for me has been the more useful feedback you give, the more useful feedback you get. #scriptchat
9:27 pm yeah_write: RT @dawnbierschwal: Used screenplayreaders.com once. Not too expensive, VERY fast, very thorough and great notes! #scriptchat
9:27 pm eyamie: @yeah_write @PennyAsh I think reading specs is more valuable than reading shooting scripts. Before "development" #scriptchat
9:27 pm KageyNYC2: I don't get feedback on 1st drafts tho. Always know what needs improvement in 1st & 2nd drafts, then too close & need new eyes #scriptchat
9:28 pm brozogirl: @PennyAsh I do like to work out different versions. Do what I decide is best. Then when I work with someone they can decide :) #scriptchat
9:28 pm beingbrad: I used @scriptdreric and found him to be great. Really appreciated the notes, made insightful suggestions #scriptchat
9:28 pm PennyAsh: @eyamie I agree, I try to read everything I can, even multiple versions if I can get them #scriptchat
9:28 pm yeah_write: @eyamie The best is if you can get both spec and shooting and see the HUGE difference between the two versions #scriptchat
9:28 pm dawnbierschwal: Many of the contests also provide coverage-style notes if you haven't done any. So even if u don't win, u win. : ) #scriptchat
9:29 pm eyamie: I'm looking for feedback as soon as I start developing a logline. It never stops. #scriptchat
9:29 pm karenquah: @brozogirl hee hee, this is why my latest rule is No Friends. Have lost too many in crossfire... #scriptchat
9:29 pm DJordanKnight: The last person I gave notes to quit writing. *sigh* #scriptchat
9:29 pm jmiewald: Does anyone go to actors for feedback? #scriptchat
9:29 pm bklynMF: I read John Ridley's Spoils of War (became Three Kings) on http://www.imsdb.com Would've been a bad movie. Yet 3 Kings is great #scriptchat
9:29 pm ReneeRenegade: RT @dawnbierschwal: Used screenplayreaders.com once. Not too expensive, VERY fast, thorough & great notes! thanks>>yeah_write #scriptchat
9:29 pm garnerhaines: @jeannevb I had that pleasure too. A TV spec I wrote won a contest and they hired actors to perform it live. #scriptchat
9:29 pm PennyAsh: @KageyNYC2 Yep, it doesn't go to readers until I feel I can't go any farther with it #scriptchat
9:29 pm jeannevb: @yeah_write twitter web isn't working for me. I'm on phone. #scriptchat
9:30 pm eyamie: @beingbrad Seems like a good guy ... planning to use him down the road. Used scriptshark and feedback contests in the past . meh #scriptchat
9:30 pm karenquah: @KageyNYC2 me too. wait till am too darn close to show it to anyone #scriptchat
9:30 pm PennyAsh: @brozogirl Yeah and I'm never so in love with something I refuse to improve it #scriptchat
9:30 pm jmiewald: I am part of a great writing group in San Diego. If you are local, send me a private message. We meet weekly. #scriptchat
9:30 pm yeah_write: RT @eyamie: Im looking for feedback as soon as I start developing a logline. It never stops. #scriptchat
9:31 pm yeah_write: @jeannevb I'm good, I'll keep an eye on things tonight. #scriptchat
9:31 pm garnerhaines: @PennyAsh I've even saved characters I might've killed (and v.v.) d/t reader reaction. #scriptchat less than 5 seconds ago #scriptchat
9:31 pm davidspies: @jeannevb In regards to script coverage, scribbling on a hard copy is what I will be looking for. #hardcopycoverage #scriptchat
9:32 pm yeah_write: @PennyAsh I like a quick read after 1st draft, just to see if I'm going in the right direction. Then I do overhaul. #scriptchat
9:32 pm PennyAsh: @garnerhaines Oh yes learned the hard way not to kill off a character readers loved lol #scriptchat
9:32 pm dawnbierschwal: Good 2 know if ur reading scripts written by director/writer. Newbie using Cameron Crowe script as eg would have problems. #scriptchat
9:32 pm ReneeRenegade: @karenquah, brozogirl Ha! you have to separate friends v. art ... #scriptchat
9:33 pm jeannevb: @davidspies some1 told me u can do it on pdf too : ) #scriptchat
9:33 pm yeah_write: I'm backing up @jeannevb tonight cuz she's having Internet issues. #scriptchat
9:33 pm brozogirl: @karenquah Damn. Acquaintances then? Can you at least wear a hat and dark glasses to give me feedback? #scriptchat
9:33 pm mckormickastley: @yeah_write I'm a self obsessed megalomaniac most of the times - if I can make it about me, i will - feedback from the start #scriptchat
9:33 pm LisaFromNYC: I just used scriptshark on a 1st draft 2 see what direction I needed to take. Good, quick (1 week). I don't think it's the norm. #scriptchat
9:33 pm karenquah: @yeah_write @jeannevb I'm good, I'll keep an eye on things tonight. -- yep. Got your back. #scriptchat
9:33 pm garnerhaines: @eyamie True. Just seeing if people say, "Cool! I'd see that!" #scriptchat
9:33 pm PennyAsh: @yeah_write For the first draft I'll send to my writing partner, she'll know if it's veering off course :) #scriptchat
9:33 pm yeah_write: @davidspies Notes on page is great. Followed by a short letter of overall thoughts. #scriptchat
9:34 pm jeannevb: @yeah_write thx... its so spotty, no idea why #scriptchat
9:34 pm PennyAsh: @yeah_write Other readers won't see it until I'm tapped out on improvements #scriptchat
9:34 pm dawnbierschwal: Get out of the biz if can't take notes! RT @DJordanKnight: The last person I gave notes to quit writing. *sigh* #scriptchat
9:34 pm yeah_write: @jmiewald I'll be in SoCal next month. Maybe we can plan a screenwriter meet up. #scriptchat
9:34 pm eyamie: @dawnbierschwal I try to avoid "learning" from those scripts...actually GIVING feedback is an awesome way to edit your own stuff #scriptchat
9:34 pm garnerhaines: @dawnbierschwal Very good point. Made that mistake (w/ J.Cameron) when I started too. Too many called shots. #scriptchat
9:35 pm karenquah: @brozogirl no, sorry - lol! I promise you'll hate me, you will. i'm horrible and ruthless and too blunt for my own good. #scriptchat
9:35 pm jeannevb: before handing over my work, I always tell ppl to take off the gloves & just give it. I have tough skin & want to learn. #scriptchat
9:35 pm mckormickastley: @jeannevb I thought you got that fixed? #scriptchat
9:35 pm yeah_write: @PennyAsh My regular reader doesn't write scripts, and I don't write with a partner. #scriptchat
9:35 pm garnerhaines: @jeannevb I did. #scriptchat
9:35 pm dawnbierschwal: Having a writing partner gets you used to getting notes! #scriptchat
9:36 pm JoannaDangelo: Hey gang. Sorry late 2 the chat - just watched Bruce Campbell's "My Name is Bruce". So corny but I love him. #scriptchat
9:36 pm eyamie: @jeannevb If you have friends who will tell you "I didn't like this," you have a good friend. #scriptchat
9:36 pm PennyAsh: @yeah_write I write some novels with a partner, she doesn't do scripts but I talk out plots with her #scriptchat
9:36 pm jeannevb: with all these tech problems, I may end up very drunk by the end of #scriptchat
9:37 pm PennyAsh: @zacsanford That sounds interesting #scriptchat
9:37 pm jmiewald: @zacsanford I want it! Whatever it is. #scriptchat
9:37 pm mckormickastley: I like reading writer/director scripts after I've seen the movie, like the Coen's? A Serious Man was not my cup of writing #scriptchat
9:37 pm jeannevb: RT @zacsanford: Have fun in #scriptchat peeps! I have a special offer to be announced tomorrow for all attendees. #scriptchat
9:37 pm ReneeRenegade: @zacsanford what happened with Save the Cat? #scriptchat
9:37 pm brozogirl: @PennyAsh So true. Be in love with your idea, but not feel that you can't love an improved version. Rewrites. #scriptchat
9:37 pm jeannevb: @eyamie just like the ones who say "that dress makes ur ass look big" ... those are my kind of friends :) #scriptchat
9:37 pm LisaFromNYC: U have 2 take criticism 2 improve RT @DJordanKnight: The last person I gave notes to quit writing. *sigh* #scriptchat
9:37 pm jeannevb: @JoannaDangelo we're talking feedback giving/getting/importance of #scriptchat
9:38 pm karenquah: @jeannevb ha! like you need tech problems to end up drunk by end of #scriptchat
9:38 pm yeah_write: @PennyAsh I hash out plots with my daytime employee at the restaurant. She is so savvy, and watches lots of movies. #scriptchat
9:39 pm PennyAsh: @brozogirl I got some writing advice years ago that said 'your words are not gold, don't be afraid to cut' #scriptchat
9:39 pm KageyNYC2: Excellent point & a great advantage to partnerships! RT @dawnbierschwal Having a writing partner gets you used to getting notes! #scriptchat
9:39 pm DJordanKnight: Yeah, well -- he would rather quit than improve I guess. RT @LisaFromNYC U have 2 take criticism 2 improve #scriptchat
9:39 pm mckormickastley: @jeannevb yah, but what if you MADE the dress? #scriptchat
9:39 pm eyamie: @jeannevb Exactly. Because I know my ass looks big for most of these drafts. #scriptchat
9:39 pm Timsn: Late to chat. Sorry. #scriptchat Need to catch up
9:39 pm jmiewald: If you do not want criticism, you would not enter a field that puts your work in front of an audience. Obviously, you want it. #scriptchat
9:39 pm jmiewald: You just don't want to fail #scriptchat
9:39 pm PennyAsh: @yeah_write Neat, my writing partner sees a lot more movies than I'm able to, and she'd great a plotting #scriptchat
9:40 pm garnerhaines: @dawnbierschwal Definitely. I still have copies of Aliens and T2 on my shelf. #scriptchat
9:40 pm DJordanKnight: The sad part is, now when we chat, he throws phrases from my notes back at me RT @LisaFromNYC U have 2 take criticism 2 improve #scriptchat
9:40 pm karenquah: @PennyAsh @brozogirl yes, got similar advice - not what you put in but what you take out that makes the difference #scriptchat
9:40 pm beingbrad: I'm just looking to validate my deeper belief that I'm a fake and not any good #scriptchat
9:41 pm jeannevb: i like reading unproduced scripts fr beginning writers every now & then. Reminds me of all Ive learned. Very humbling #scriptchat
9:41 pm brozogirl: @PennyAsh OH. I LOVE that. Gold when you spit it out. Edit it and you realize the crap. Cutting is essential. Lean #scriptchat
9:41 pm yeah_write: Since I'm writing a teen drama at the moment, I've had my teen employees read. I ask them for 3 pages, they read on and on... #scriptchat
9:41 pm garnerhaines: @PennyAsh "Murder your darlings." #scriptchat
9:41 pm karenquah: @beingbrad I'm just looking to validate my deeper belief that I'm a fake and not any good -ha! then u've come to the right place #scriptchat
9:42 pm yeah_write: ...I don't ask for pro feedback, I ask if I have it right. They know me well enough to be honest. Knowing I want to be better. #scriptchat
9:42 pm jmiewald: You have to enjoy the destruction of your ego. When has it ever done you any good anyway? #scriptchat
9:43 pm jeannevb: @mckormickastley I thought so too :( #scriptchat
9:43 pm ReneeRenegade: RT @DJordanKnight The last person I gave notes to quit writing. *sigh* >>Dang, 2 stubborn to quit, but I did cry. & improve #scriptchat
9:43 pm PennyAsh: @garnerhaines Unless the readers love them, especially in romance #scriptchat
9:43 pm eyamie: @yeah_write I really, really wanted to start a group called "Yes, I WILL reading your f#$%ing script" #scriptchat
9:43 pm JoannaDangelo: @jeannevb Feedback great. Welcome it from my producer 4 show I'm working on but concerned idea might change 2 much. Thoughts? #scriptchat
9:44 pm yeah_write: I know feeling In busin. & writing RT@beingbrad Im just looking to validate my deeper belief that Im a fake and not any good-ha #scriptchat
9:44 pm PennyAsh: @brozogirl Yeah tight is best, less is truly more #scriptchat
9:44 pm jolenejahnke: You know you've given your script to the wrong person when they ask "What does INT. mean?" #happened2me #scriptchat
9:44 pm garnerhaines: @karenquah I think we all have that, "Oh no, this is it. This is the moment when they find out I don't know what I'm doing." #scriptchat
9:44 pm LisaFromNYC: wow childish writing isn't 4 him RT @DJordanKnight The sad part is, now when we chat, he throws phrases from my notes back at me #scriptchat
9:44 pm JoannaDangelo: RT @jolenejahnke: You know youve given your script to the wrong person when they ask "What does INT. mean?" #happened2me #scriptchat
9:45 pm ReneeRenegade: @jmiewald True, that WAS me. (ego-on-a-stick) #scriptchat
9:45 pm PennyAsh: @karenquah @brozogirl You never want to inundate the reader with trivia even if you think it sounds wonderful #scriptchat
9:45 pm yeah_write: @DJordanKnight If he's still reciting notes, he's way too thin skinned for this business of writing. #scriptchat
9:45 pm mckormickastley: @brozogirl It's the jekyll and hyde of writing - writing it down you're brilliant, reading it the next day is so depressing #scriptchat
9:45 pm brozogirl: @jmiewald #scriptchat I want to be destroyed, so I can rise again.:)
9:45 pm garnerhaines: @jolenejahnke Yeah, minimum they have to understand how to READ a screenplay, even if they don't know the nitpicky formats. #scriptchat
9:45 pm yeah_write: lol RT @eyamie: @yeah_write I really, really wanted to start a group called "Yes, I WILL reading your f#$%ing script" #scriptchat
9:46 pm jeannevb: so true! RT @garnerhaines: @karenquah "Oh no, this is it. This is the moment when they find out I dont know what Im doing." #scriptchat
9:46 pm karenquah: @garnerhaines fake it till u make it, right? But what if you keep faking it & never quite make it? Or u make it but are a fraud? #scriptchat
9:46 pm jmiewald: It's that line from Fight Club. "I want you to hit me as hard as you can..." #scriptchat
9:46 pm yeah_write: ROFLOL RT @jolenejahnke: You know youve given your script to the wrong person when they ask "What does INT. mean?" #happened2me #scriptchat
9:47 pm Donna_Carrick: @yeah_write #scriptchat -- ha ha, can I join your group?
9:47 pm mckormickastley: @karenquah i am a total fraud. total. #scriptchat
9:47 pm jeannevb: writer warning: be careful b4 u say "yes" to reading bc I've spent 5 hrs b4 on 1 script, reading, rereading & feedback. #scriptchat
9:47 pm garnerhaines: Twitter, don't you die on me, man! #scriptchat
9:47 pm Donna_Carrick: RT @PennyAsh: @karenquah @brozogirl You never want to inundate with trivia even if you think it sounds wonderful #scriptchat
9:47 pm KageyNYC2: @jolenejahnke: Good point, reading scripts not as natural to most as reading fiction - smaller pool of readers to pull from #scriptchat
9:48 pm JoannaDangelo: @karenquah @garnerhaines I don't think you're ever faking it when you're writing. #scriptchat
9:48 pm brozogirl: @mckormickastley #scriptchat Brilliance with wine. Morning coffee says terrible. Meet in the afternoon for decision.:)
9:48 pm ReneeRenegade: ROFLOL RT @jolenejahnke: You know youve given your script to the wrong person when they ask "What does INT. mean?" #scriptchat
9:48 pm jeannevb: @karenquah @garnerhaines we are all so fucking insecure, aren't we? haha But the reality is, so r all artists, even prod/dir #scriptchat
9:48 pm PennyAsh: @mckormickastley Just reread a short that went out of contract and did nothing but cringe lol #scriptchat
9:48 pm deathdangerman: I am often surprised at the comments I get from people who aren't writers. #scriptchat
9:48 pm Alex_Carrick: Sorry we're so late to #scriptchat. Wrote my story today & that was about all the energy I had.
9:48 pm jeannevb: been saying that for hours! grrr RT @garnerhaines: Twitter, dont you die on me, man! #scriptchat
9:49 pm eyamie: @KageyNYC2 A growing pool, though. Becoming an artform appreciated unto itself #scriptchat
9:49 pm JoannaDangelo: @deathdangerman like what sorts of comments? #scriptchat
9:49 pm mckormickastley: @brozogirl I think I'll just keep the buzz going long enough to believe my own hype until I die #scriptchat
9:49 pm jmiewald: Do you re-read your own stuff? How many times *all* the way through? #scriptchat
9:49 pm Donna_Carrick: RT @JoannaDangelo: @karenquah @garnerhaines I don't think you're ever faking it when you're writing. #scriptchat /At least shouldn't be.
9:49 pm Timsn: I alwys feel humbled when I get feedback. Someone took the time to read my work. #scriptchat
9:49 pm Alex_Carrick: Don't know about the feedback thing. @Donna_Carrick reads all my work. Take it in, but then listen to own inner voice. #scriptchat
9:50 pm KageyNYC2: @jeannevb This is why I like quid pro quo arrangement of wkshps & groups - not dicky - but only so much time to read as a writer #scriptchat
9:50 pm PennyAsh: @Donna_Carrick TY for the RT :) #scriptchat
9:50 pm Donna_Carrick: RT @eyamie: @KageyNYC2 Becoming an artform appreciated unto itself #scriptchat //The original written art.
9:51 pm JoannaDangelo: @jmiewald yes I re-read - sometimes too much - I think it's better not to re-read so much but to keep ploughing through. #scriptchat
9:51 pm Alex_Carrick: We just watched the movie "Easy Virtue". Based on a play written by Noel Coward. Can learn from all the masters. #scriptchat.
9:51 pm jmiewald: @Timsn That's a very healthy perspective #scriptchat
9:51 pm KageyNYC2: @eyamie I'm training my husband to keep him as a reader. He's following Script Analysis class & reading screenplays - v helpful! #scriptchat
9:51 pm karenquah: @jeannevb @garnerhaines Yep. Amongst writers, screenwriters must be the most insecure & powerless egomaniacs of them all! #scriptchat
9:51 pm garnerhaines: @JoannaDangelo I'm not, but there's this inner voice taunting me, like the demon in the closet from Kids in the Hall. #scriptchat
9:51 pm Donna_Carrick: RT @PennyAsh: @Donna_Carrick TY for the RT :) #scriptchat //Good to see you, Penny.
9:51 pm yeah_write: @jmiewald I read all the way through at least 5-10 times. #scriptchat
9:51 pm deathdangerman: @JoannaDangelo Things that have 2 do w/ char development & motivation, plot - things I dnt expect a non writer 2 notice #scriptchat
9:51 pm brozogirl: @mckormickastley #scriptchat Yes. Morning, afternoon, and night. My own hype is all I ever want to hear. I want to learn to bend. Slightly.
9:51 pm yeah_write: RT @Timsn: I alwys feel humbled when I get feedback. Someone took the time to read my work. #scriptchat
9:51 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb Definitely, works the same for fiction, If they don't know the terms they won't give good feedback :) #scriptchat
9:52 pm garnerhaines: @jmiewald I do, but I have to go away from it for a little while, come at it from the other half of my brain. #scriptchat
9:52 pm karenquah: @mckormickastley i am a total fraud. total. -- yep. me too. #scriptchat
9:52 pm Donna_Carrick: RT @KageyNYC2: @jeannevb This is why I like quid pro quo arrangement #scriptchat /Always good to have mutual arrangement.
9:52 pm PennyAsh: @Donna_Carrick You too :) How's it going up there? #scriptchat
9:52 pm garnerhaines: @brozogirl I'm just glad to hear some positive stuff from other people because my own internal monologue is so negative. #scriptchat
9:53 pm JoannaDangelo: @garnerhaines Ha! loved that show. Well, that demon keeps us on our toes. ;) #scriptchat
9:53 pm Alex_Carrick: Screenwriters probably have the least say over whether their original material is ever used. #scriptchat.
9:53 pm yeah_write: @KageyNYC2 If I let my husband read (which he wouldn't) I'd be divorced. #scriptchat
9:53 pm talented_boy: sorry, i'm quite late...randomly fell asleep and twitter was messing up...what am i missing? #scriptchat
9:53 pm PennyAsh: @deathdangerman Don't sell non writers short, they often are sharper than you expect #scriptchat
9:53 pm beingbrad: @jmiewald it's hard to read right through without stopping for a nice long edit every page or two #scriptchat
9:53 pm jeannevb: @KageyNYC2 i have that damned disease to plz & def say "sure" way too much... but it's also been a pleasant surprise sometimes #scriptchat
9:53 pm Alex_Carrick: You always hear about well-known actors changing their dialogue. Must drive writer nuts #scriptchat.
9:54 pm garnerhaines: RT @karenquah Yep. Amongst writers, screenwriters must be the most insecure & powerless egomaniacs of them all! #scriptchat
9:54 pm JoannaDangelo: @deathdangerman do you find that helpful and insightful? well, people who read/watch movies a lot have a good sense of that #scriptchat
9:54 pm brozogirl: @PennyAsh I once heard that the cliffhanger should not be left in trivia. The trivia should lead to a definite closure. #scriptchat
9:54 pm yeah_write: @talented_boy Chatting about feedback and reading other's work. #scriptchat
9:54 pm cowgirlwriter: Agreed. RT @Alex_Carrick: Screenwriters probably have the least say over whether their original material is ever used. #scriptchat
9:55 pm JoannaDangelo: @Donna_Carrick @karenquah @garnerhaines hopefully - otherwise what are we doing this for? #scriptchat
9:55 pm dawnbierschwal: Well, now u know why I'm not married. (jk) RT @yeah_write: @KageyNYC2 If I let my husband read Id be divorced. #scriptchat
9:55 pm PennyAsh: @brozogirl Definitely, you have to tie up all the loose ends, cliffhanger fans will notice and call you on it #scriptchat
9:55 pm mckormickastley: @Alex_Carrick It's a odd place 2 want 2 be really, your idea, invention and words, and u might get an invite 2 the Iowa premier #scriptchat
9:55 pm talented_boy: @yeah_write thank ya kindly #scriptchat
9:55 pm jeannevb: @Alex_Carrick we dont have a lot of power, that's for sure. Not the kind of writing a control freak shld do ha #scriptchat
9:55 pm jmiewald: @Alex_Carrick I have been an actor for half my life... I changed lines often - BUT only to receive laughter or applause #scriptchat
9:56 pm Donna_Carrick: #scriptchat My only real thoughts on feedback are first know/trust your own voice. Then know/trust your critic.
9:56 pm JoannaDangelo: @foulpapers we're on tweetchat for the weekly #scriptchat sign in and use that hashtag if you'd like to take part. ;)
9:56 pm yeah_write: hahaha RT @dawnbierschwal: Well, now u know why Im not married. (jk) RT @yeah_write: If I let my husband read Id be divorced. #scriptchat
9:56 pm garnerhaines: @Alex_Carrick If it works better, I'm all for it. If it changes the meaning, it can be horrible. #scriptchat
9:56 pm Donna_Carrick: RT @PennyAsh: @Donna_Carrick You too :) How's it going up there? #scriptchat Was a good day in sunny TO. Alex sick though.
9:56 pm talented_boy: learning to figure out what feedback to keep and what feedback not to is one of the hardest things to do as a young writer (23) #scriptchat
9:56 pm Alex_Carrick: RT @yeah_write: @KageyNYC2 If I let my husband read I'd be divorced. #scriptchat <>
9:56 pm JoannaDangelo: RT jeannevb we're talking feedback giving/getting/importance of #scriptchat
9:56 pm SissiePoohSOD: hello, everyone. taking a break from "Haunted Shores" for a few. #scriptchat
9:57 pm jeannevb: i applaud u all for staying on topic tonight... u must not be drinking enough ha #scriptchat
9:57 pm jmiewald: @beingbrad That's what I do, too. #scriptchat
9:57 pm Donna_Carrick: @JoannaDangelo #scriptchat 'Zactly! Well said. That's why we're here, mutual benefit. I love learning from the scriptfolks.
9:57 pm jeannevb: esp if they're well read RT @PennyAsh: @deathdangerman Dont sell non writers short, they often are sharper than you expect #scriptchat
9:57 pm mckormickastley: @jeannevb @Alex_Carrick which is why understanding/appreciating the entire movie making process is key - script is a small start #scriptchat
9:57 pm brozogirl: @garnerhaines I'm glad that you have negative, because positive will always be followed by more negative. Tis true. #scriptchat
9:58 pm Timsn: RT@yeah_write: If I let my husband read Id be divorced. #scriptchat
9:58 pm yeah_write: @Alex_Carrick It takes the right personality to be your spouse's reader. My husband doesn't possess that personality. #scriptchat
9:58 pm Alex_Carrick: RT @garnerhaines If it works better, I'm all for it. If it changes the meaning, it can be horrible. #scriptchat <>
9:58 pm Donna_Carrick: RT @SissiePoohSOD: hello, everyone. taking a break from "Haunted Shores" for a few. #scriptchat /Hi, back, Steph.
9:58 pm PennyAsh: @Donna_Carrick Sunny is good :) The snow missed us here but it's rainy now. Hope Alex feels better, being sick is no fun at all #scriptchat
9:58 pm talented_boy: feedback is weird tho...i had a script get ripped apart by a coverage service then turn around & get to the second round of PAGE #scriptchat
9:58 pm KageyNYC2: @yeah_write @dawnbierschwal It ain't always pretty, tru nuff, but he went to art school so he's v good at critique... and free! #scriptchat
9:59 pm Donna_Carrick: #scriptchat If I was going to get divorced every time @Alex_Carrick critiqued my work, we'd need a whole new bar assoc in TO!
9:59 pm SissiePoohSOD: @Donna_Carrick : hi! :) #scriptchat
9:59 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb Exactly, and if they really know their genre they will rip you a new one if you don't get it right #scriptchat
9:59 pm Alex_Carrick: Yeah, that's the thing about movies. Lots of pieces. Lots of egos. But a movie without decent writing often goes nowhere #scriptchat
9:59 pm yeah_write: 2 minutes until the hour is up, then it's open forum. #scriptchat
9:59 pm Donna_Carrick: @PennyAsh #scriptchat he's not 100% yet, but better than he was.
9:59 pm Timsn: I once gave a friend feedback and she started sending all her revisions. I finally told her to join a group #scriptchat
10:00 pm jmiewald: What is your weakness as a writer? #scriptchat
10:00 pm danish_novelist: @cowgirlwriter I used to write TV-plays, but as a novelist YOUR voice, not the director's, reaches people directly. Thank God #scriptchat
10:00 pm jeannevb: since my internet is clearly pissed at me, I'm grateful I did EURO scriptchat today. My thoughts on subject r in transcript #scriptchat
10:00 pm mckormickastley: It's important to realize that notes, by casual, professional or corporate, are just the opinions of a person...but.... #scriptchat
10:00 pm brozogirl: @PennyAsh I would imagine. You can keep them guessing, but then tie it up somehow. #scriptchat
10:00 pm Donna_Carrick: #scriptchat The other thing about spouse critique/feedback is spouse must be qualified. @Alex_Carrick is very qualified.
10:00 pm mckormickastley: ...but when opinions start to agree with each other, you're probably got an issue that needs to be addressed. #scriptchat
10:00 pm dawnbierschwal: @talented_boy Agree... 10 people reading a script can have 10 opinions on what it needs. #scriptchat
10:01 pm Alex_Carrick: Donna & I are both pretty good about reviewing each other's work. Now when it comes to driving instructions... #scriptchat
10:01 pm yeah_write: I avoid conflict in life, and conflict is what writing is all about. RT @jmiewald: What is your weakness as a writer? #scriptchat
10:01 pm Donna_Carrick: RT @SissiePoohSOD: @Donna_Carrick : hi! :) #scriptchat Sorry I'm missing you, Steph, but I must get kids to bed now. School tomorrow.
10:01 pm PennyAsh: @brozogirl Yeah everything should come together at the end, you want the reader thinking whoa so that's what happened #scriptchat
10:01 pm LisaFromNYC: lmao RT @Timsn I once gave a friend feedback and she started sending all her revisions. I finally told her to join a group #scriptchat
10:02 pm danish_novelist: @Alex_Carrick I love film, but I don't have the patience to deal with script writing. It would make me an immediate alcoholic #scriptchat
10:02 pm Donna_Carrick: @jeannevb #scriptchat Must go -- thanks, Jeanne for a great chat, despite Twitter's fickleness! See you next time...
10:02 pm talented_boy: @dawnbierschwal i have a group of friends who read my stuff and i'm developing trustworthy pros to read (@jeannevb @PennyAsh) #scriptchat
10:02 pm JoannaDangelo: @Donna_Carrick ;) of course! #scriptchat
10:02 pm Donna_Carrick: RT @Alex_Carrick: both pretty good about reviewing each other's work. Now when it comes to driving instructions... #scriptchat /Hah!
10:02 pm jeannevb: RT @mckormickastley: when opinions start to agree with each other, youre probably got an issue that needs to be addressed. #scriptchat
10:02 pm yeah_write: Thanks to everyone who attended the chat tonight. The forum is now open to any writing thoughts. #scriptchat
10:02 pm PennyAsh: @SissiePoohSOD Hey :) Haunted Shores? Sounds spooky :) #scriptchat
10:03 pm SissiePoohSOD: @Donna_Carrick : have a good night! #scriptchat
10:03 pm garnerhaines: Can't stay, it's been fun tweeps. #scriptchat
10:03 pm mckormickastley: Letting my wife read is not a good idea, too many questions about the source of the darkness. Let it come out in counseling #scriptchat
10:03 pm jeannevb: @Donna_Carrick thx for coming! #scriptchat
10:03 pm PennyAsh: @Donna_Carrick That's good :) #scriptchat
10:03 pm dawnbierschwal: OK, my deal with kids is one hour only, since this is normally family time. Great convo as usual. See ya all next week! #scriptchat
10:03 pm SissiePoohSOD: @PennyAsh: it's definitely scary. it's about a haunted university & all the strange stuff that happens there. #scriptchat
10:04 pm Alex_Carrick: RT @jmiewald been an actor for half my life... I changed lines often #scriptchat <>
10:04 pm LisaFromNYC: Dialogue. Also, comedy is hard 4 me. I like dark stuff or action. RT @jmiewald: What is your weakness as a writer? #scriptchat
10:04 pm PennyAsh: @jmiewald In novels my weakness is the word was, in scripts I'm a rank newbie :) #scriptchat
10:04 pm mckormickastley: twitter is great practice for editing - shorten, tighten, only say what is most important. #scriptchat
10:05 pm brozogirl: @PennyAsh Yes maam. I myself want the whoa so that's what happened. Tie it to something that was unnoticed before. #scriptchat
10:05 pm dawnbierschwal: @eyamie Agree. Trends are the most helpful. (ok, NOW I'm going). #scriptchat
10:05 pm Donna_Carrick: RT @jeannevb: @Donna_Carrick thx for coming! #scriptchat /Always glad to be here, Jeanne. Sorry for lateness and poor Twitter response.
10:05 pm Alex_Carrick: RT @earth_mommy Heard you were sick. Hope you are feeling better <>
10:05 pm PennyAsh: @SissiePoohSOD Sounds fun :) Been in a few haunted places myself #scriptchat
10:05 pm mckormickastley: @dawnbierschwal check it on the flipside - you're a better parent than I #scriptchat
10:06 pm Alex_Carrick: It's the scripts by committee that are often the worst. On the other hand, Casablanca was apparently a joint effort #scriptchat.
10:06 pm Donna_Carrick: #scriptchat Someone asked what the weakness is. I'm working on digging up those deep corners of life, going for courage.
10:06 pm bklynMF: "I'm too young for this shit"--Patton Oswalt, on a line that should have been in Benjamin Button #scriptchat
10:06 pm beingbrad: @yogoldsmith you should be at #scriptchat my good friend
10:07 pm SissiePoohSOD: @PennyAsh: it's been fun to write, believe me. I have seven more chapters to write. #scriptchat
10:07 pm yeah_write: @dawnbierschwal G'night Dawn. #scriptchat
10:08 pm SissiePoohSOD: I'm hoping to have "Haunted Shores" done by Christmas. #scriptchat
10:08 pm jmiewald: @Alex_Carrick Good point. I think it depends on who is on the committee. #scriptchat
10:08 pm Donna_Carrick: #scriptchat In fact my blog today was on finding courage as a writer -- earning the writer's "red badge".
10:08 pm PennyAsh: @brozogirl It's not as easy as it sound to pull off #scriptchat
10:08 pm jeannevb: Most imp not to take criticism personally. Its hard to hear "your baby is ugly" #scriptchat
10:09 pm karenquah: @davidwcooper Ha, Why makes all the difference. And the answer is because you won't be. Unless you are a fraud anyway-like me! #scriptchat
10:09 pm mckormickastley: @brozogirl PIXAR has a way of making everything pay off in really satisfying ways. #scriptchat
10:09 pm jmiewald: @SissiePoohSOD Are you trying to promote "Haunted Shores" by saying "Haunted Shores" a lot? #scriptchat
10:09 pm Alex_Carrick: RT @mckormickastley: twitter is great practice - shorten, tighten #scriptchat <>
10:10 pm PennyAsh: @SissiePoohSOD Sounds like something I'd buy and read :) #scriptchat
10:10 pm rachlanger: Sorry to all my #scriptchat peeps for missing tonight. I'm out at my a holiday gig for my dad's band. @jeannevb @yeah_write @zacsanford
10:10 pm SissiePoohSOD: @jmiewald: no, not really. :) #scriptchat
10:10 pm Donna_Carrick: RT @jeannevb: Most imp not to take criticism personally. Its hard to hear "your baby is ugly" #scriptchat
10:10 pm talented_boy: if i get a difficult critique but the reader says 'u hav a story here', that at least let's me kno they kno what i'm trying 2 do #scriptchat
10:10 pm Alex_Carrick: RT @SissiePoohSOD: @PennyAsh: it's been fun to write. I have seven more chapters to write. #scriptchat <>
10:10 pm jeannevb: @mckormickastley read ur "let it come out in counseling" haha #scriptchat
10:10 pm SissiePoohSOD: @PennyAsh: I'm hoping to have it published some time next year. #scriptchat
10:11 pm PennyAsh: @mckormickastley I love Pixar :) Doubt they'd film anything I wrote though :) #scriptchat
10:11 pm jeannevb: @Donna_Carrick I think I heard the "your baby is ugly" line from @yeah_write but my memory sucks ha #scriptchat
10:11 pm jmiewald: @SissiePoohSOD Haunted Shores!!! #scriptchat
10:11 pm eyamie: @mckormickastley @alex_carrick Pixar does "by committee" too. It's not the committee part that's trouble, it's who's in it #scriptchat
10:11 pm PennyAsh: @SissiePoohSOD Good luck :) Nothing beats that first acceptance letter :) #scriptchat
10:12 pm jeannevb: bottomline: there's an art to feedback both giving/getting. Just be open to hearing the truth & giving the truth #scriptchat
10:12 pm yeah_write: @rachlanger Hey Rach, hope you are having a great night. #scriptchat
10:12 pm karenquah: @jeannevb What? My baby is ugly? Okay, so it has two heads and no neck, but ugly's a bit harsh isn't it? *slitswrists* #scriptchat
10:12 pm mckormickastley: @PennyAsh I'm writing Toy Story 2 right now. It's in 4D which allows me to write things for past projects. It's coming along. #scriptchat
10:12 pm yeah_write: It was me. lol RT @jeannevb: @Donna_Carrick I think I heard the "your baby is ugly" line from @yeah_write but my memory sucks ha #scriptchat
10:12 pm SissiePoohSOD: @PennyAsh: thanks so much for the encouragement. it means a lot. :) #scriptchat
10:13 pm Alex_Carrick: Critiques are 1 thing, bad reviews are another. Just remember review can reveal a lot about the reviewer. #scriptchat.
10:13 pm yeah_write: @jeannevb Did you get my DM? lol #scriptchat
10:13 pm mckormickastley: @eyamie Right, and they (PIXAR) have an unwavering singular vision for their stories, led by an inspired individual. #scriptchat
10:13 pm brozogirl: @mckormickastley #scriptchat Yes. Pixar has details that may seem insignificant until pulled together.
10:13 pm PennyAsh: @SissiePoohSOD You're welcome :) #scriptchat
10:14 pm jeannevb: And as @filmutopia says, the most imp feedback is if they hand u a check after reading it. #scriptchat
10:14 pm mckormickastley: @Alex_Carrick I'd kill for a bad review. #scriptchat
10:14 pm PennyAsh: @mckormickastley Sounds like fun, needs more aliens :) #scriptchat
10:15 pm jeannevb: @karenquah this is why I drink #scriptchat #uglybabyinsecurities
10:15 pm Alex_Carrick: Gotta put the kids to bed now. Signing off. Nice to talk to you good people in Twitter land. #scriptchat.
10:16 pm mckormickastley: @PennyAsh Noted. #scriptchat
10:16 pm karenquah: RT @jeannevb bottomline: there's an art to feedback both giving/getting. Just be open to hearing the truth & giving the truth #scriptchat
10:16 pm PennyAsh: Perfect validation :) RT @jeannevb: And as @filmutopia says, the most imp feedback is if they hand u a check after reading it. #scriptchat
10:16 pm jeannevb: @karenquah and bad internet #scriptchat
10:16 pm yeah_write: Depending on the project, the gestation period is longer than a baby, so when someone says "ugly," it can really hurt. #scriptchat
10:17 pm yeah_write: But at least you have the opportunity to cut off the extra head and stretch the neck, for a real beauty if you do the work. #scriptchat
10:17 pm Alex_Carrick: RT @mckormickastley: @Alex_Carrick I'd kill for a bad review. #scriptchat <>
10:17 pm jeannevb: RT @yeah_write: Dnd'g on project, the gestation period is longer than a baby, so when someone says "ugly," it can really hurt #scriptchat
10:18 pm talented_boy: i feel like i need to have a kid before participating in this conversation lol #scriptchat
10:18 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb And speaking of feedback, just got some that caught a character's sex change :) I totally missed it #scriptchat
10:18 pm ing3nu: RT @jeannevb Most imp not to take criticism personally. Its hard to hear "your baby is ugly" #scriptchat -Tru 4 game design too! #gamedesign
10:18 pm Alex_Carrick: RT @eyamie: @mckormickastley #scriptchat <>
10:18 pm jeannevb: What's good about reading unproduced work too is seeing where u fit on the scale of writers. Its a realty check #scriptchat
10:18 pm PennyAsh: @talented_boy LOL #scriptchat
10:19 pm yeah_write: @talented_boy I don't have any kids, but imagine your script as a child and someone says "wow, super ugly" that's what we mean. #scriptchat
10:19 pm jeannevb: @PennyAsh hahaha #scriptchat
10:19 pm mckormickastley: @talented_boy I feel like I need to get rid of my real babies in order to have any time to create written babies that should die #scriptchat
10:20 pm Alex_Carrick: RT @mckormickastley #scriptchat <>
10:20 pm mckormickastley: RT @jeannevb: Whats good about reading unproduced work too is seeing where u fit on the scale of writers. Its a realty check #scriptchat
10:20 pm talented_boy: @yeah_write i was referring to people leaving to deal with their actual kids lol i'm a young bachelor #scriptchat
10:20 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb Sent my WP the first 1/4 of the nano project :) #scriptchat
10:21 pm yeah_write: @ing3nu I imagine game writing is just as hard as script writing for feedback. #scriptchat
10:21 pm PennyAsh: @mckormickastley @Alex_Carrick In the end reviews are simply someone's opinion :) #scriptchat
10:21 pm mckormickastley: @jeannevb where do you get your unproduced/unrepped scripts from? #scriptchat
10:22 pm yeah_write: @talented_boy I'm old, and married and still can't relate to dealing with kids that I don't pay to work for me. lol #scriptchat
10:22 pm jeannevb: i'm like a whore when it comes to feedback: whip me, beat me, make me beg for mercy... but if u pay me, I'm happy #scriptchat
10:22 pm jeannevb: I'm a whore when it comes to feedback: whip me, beat me, make me beg for mercy...but if u pay me, I'm happy #scriptchat
10:22 pm mckormickastley: @PennyAsh All I mean, it a review implies the script got made into a movie - I'd take that shit any day #scriptchat
10:23 pm Donna_Carrick: RT @jeannevb: "your baby is ugly" line from @yeah_write #scriptchat /Before I disappeared, I tried to say some babies are meant tb ugly.
10:23 pm mckormickastley: @jeannevb you can say that again... oh, good. #scriptchat
10:23 pm Donna_Carrick: RT @PennyAsh: @mckormickastley @Alex_Carrick In the end reviews are simply someone's opinion :) #scriptchat /That's right.
10:23 pm PennyAsh: @mckormickastley Good point :) #scriptchat
10:23 pm yeah_write: @mckormickastleyTrigger Street is a great source for unprod scripts. triggerstreet.com, or @triggerstreet #scriptchat
10:24 pm karenquah: @jeannevb gotta run, luvly whore/velour-wearing pimp. Grazie Mille. You've outdone yourself once again. #scriptchat
10:24 pm jeannevb: @mckormickastley other writers who ask for my help/opinion #scriptchat
10:24 pm talented_boy: i'm still learning the craft so i can't give advice like others do...but i can read it like a fan and tell you if i'd watch it #scriptchat
10:24 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb Once I've sold something I don #scriptchat
10:25 pm Donna_Carrick: #scriptchat I've read good reviews I strongly disagreed with, likewise bad reviews. Just take all advice in good spirit, not personally.
10:25 pm PennyAsh: @jeannevb Meh. I don't sweat the reviews #scriptchat
10:25 pm jeannevb: @rachlanger *smooches* have fun! #scriptchat
10:25 pm davidspies: RT @jeannevb What's good about reading unproduced work too is seeing where u fit on the scale of writers. Its a reality check #scriptchat
10:25 pm Timsn: Gotta run. Thanks for letting me join in. #scriptchat
10:26 pm jeannevb: @karenquah smooch! have a great day, babe #scriptchat
10:26 pm SissiePoohSOD: back to the writing trenches. good 2 see everyone. have a good night! #scriptchat
10:26 pm yeah_write: @Timsn thanks for stopping by. #scriptchat
10:26 pm PennyAsh: @Donna_Carrick Good and bad reviews do basically the same thing, people will buy as a result of both #scriptchat
10:28 pm brozogirl: @jeannevb @Donna_Carrick @mckormickastley @garnerhaines @PennyAsh @karenquah #scriptchat I close with you all. Have a great night.
10:28 pm jeannevb: I'm going to formally thank all for attending #scriptchat tonight. Sorry for my internet issues. Thk god for my phone!
10:28 pm Donna_Carrick: You #scriptchat guys have guts -- to write knowing you have so little control in the end. I admire that ability. Thick skin.
10:28 pm Donna_Carrick: RT @PennyAsh: @Donna_Carrick Good and bad reviews do basically the same thing, people will buy as a result of both #scriptchat /Yup.
10:29 pm karenquah: @jeannevb you too! night, i mean. have another one for me. On the house! #scriptchat
10:29 pm jeannevb: I'll post transcript tomorrow even if I have to go to Panera to get online (30 minawy 4 country girl) #scriptchat
10:29 pm Donna_Carrick: #scriptchat With novels, it also takes courage, of a slower kind, I think.
10:29 pm mckormickastley: @brozogirl good night! Happy holidays... #scriptchat
10:29 pm Donna_Carrick: @brozogirl #scriptchat You too, have a great night.
10:30 pm PennyAsh: @brozogirl You too :) #scriptchat
10:30 pm yeah_write: @jeannevb I'll get the transcript. Do you want me to post to blog? #scriptchat
10:30 pm talented_boy: @Donna_Carrick early on, if i got bad feedback i'd throw a script to the side...gotten much better with that with time #scriptchat
10:30 pm Danisidhe: @Donna_Carrick Screenwriting is less frightening than novels. It has been my big hurdle- MY words are what people read! ARRGH #scriptchat
10:30 pm Donna_Carrick: RT @talented_boy: ..gotten much better with that with time #scriptchat /We have to tame the dark side--too self-critical as writers.
10:31 pm karenquah: @brozogirl you too chica! #scriptchat
10:31 pm Danisidhe: @Donna_Carrick screenplays are a blueprint, the audience looks at a collaboration of work and never your words. #scriptchat
10:32 pm PennyAsh: @Donna_Carrick I agree, both involve putting yourself out there for people to examine #scriptchat
10:32 pm karenquah: Thank you all. It's been a pleasure! Time to get back to UGLY BABY! #scriptchat
10:33 pm Donna_Carrick: @Danisidhe #scriptchat Yes, I agree, it's never easy thinking your life's work may not be appreciated. But it's how we grow.
10:33 pm jeannevb: Want to tell all we now have @scriptchat so follow it & I'll post info via that too :) #scriptchat
10:34 pm yeah_write: haha Me too. RT @karenquah: Thank you all. Its been a pleasure! Time to get back to UGLY BABY! #scriptchat
10:34 pm Donna_Carrick: @PennyAsh #scriptchat That's right, it's the most basic part of what we do. It's why not everyone can be a writer. We have to take it.
10:34 pm Donna_Carrick: RT @karenquah: Thank you all. It's been a pleasure! Time to get back to UGLY BABY! #scriptchat /Your baby is beautiful!!!

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